Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

[kobe]

does the arrested terrorist qualify for the sa-re-ga-ma-pa show? i mean so many pakis qualify and they come all the way to bombay, but he is already here....., heard he can sing the saline-deon song very well

[Dilbu]

PMO to brief world leaders on ISI's role

The Prime Minister's Office is drafting a detailed concept paper on the Inter Services Intelligence hand in the Mumbai terrorist attacks, which will be circulated to various world leaders.
The government hopes that with so many foreigners killed in the terror attacks, which External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee attributed to elements within Pakistan, the world leaders will take its documentation seriously.

This concept paper will be based on the interrogation reports of the lone terrorist to be arrested in Mumbai and on intercepts of various communications between the terrorists and their masters

And then what? Say we have presented the evidence now will the west rein in their Munna please?

[nishug]

I dont expect UPA to do anything, it has too many sub-parties with highly varied vested interest to act coherently.

did u also notice the difference between medias tone in reporting kargil and mumbai attacks ?
during kargil george fernandes was criticized sooooo much .... ranging from intelligence failure to not procuring AJTs [ pls note air force was asking for AJTs since 14 years before kargil.] And medias favorite topic was how Indian gov. could have handled that situation in better manner.

But this time there is nothing about why this happened ? how those terrorist were allowed to roam around in mumbai so freely and how come terrorists hijacked a police vehicle ???? .... this is the most surprising thing that no one is discussing the fact that a police vehicle was hijacked

[Raja]

Circulate concept paper to world leaders? Friggin go live and read the damn concept paper. That will circulate it everywhere.

[nishug]

does the arrested terrorist qualify for the sa-re-ga-ma-pa show? i mean so many pakis qualify and they come all the way to bombay, but he is already here....., heard he can sing the saline-deon song very well

toooooo goooood yar

[ArmenT]

how those terrorist were allowed to roam around in mumbai so freely and how come terrorists hijacked a police vehicle ???? .... this is the most surprising thing that no one is discussing the fact that a police vehicle was hijacked

What is so surprising about that? It has happened before in other places around the world. Matter of fact, one chap managed to even steal a military tank and drove it down the freeway in the San Diego area before he was stopped.

[Singha]

The most important long term thing we can do here is to form a counter strike force which strikes terror within enemy territory

I dont know if a fancy "Sayeret Killpig" or JIT-XYZ name be given, and
certainly it cannot be made public for op security reasons. but it must be
formed.

for starters, the saudi based indic maulana and other "gulf businessmen"
who are said to be pouring funds into the desi jihad need to wind up dead in their bathtubs with the private parts of a pig stuffed into their mouths and polaroid photos of this may be forwarded to news agencies from a yahoo address in bantustan or kiribati.

and all of D companys gulf based hencemen, accountants, frontmen,
concubines and loverboys must die painfully.

and some of the more firebrand desi maulanas and MLA type history sheeters need to start feeling the fire on their ass as well.

[Sumeet]

Wajid Hassan the Paki High Commissioner is on BBC claiming that there is no evidence of any Paki involvement or of their territory being used for these attackes. BBC presenter seems to agree with him.

yeah right like there is no evidence of involvement of them in any attacks till now including one on Indian embassy in afghanistan.

[Sai]

US officials fear Indian response to attacks

The only reaction I see happening is MMS shouting at the ISI chaprasi and then declaring Indo-Puki bhai bhai

Not so cynical this time. Let's wait and watch.

MMS is not a crooked politician. I believe he just happens to take the "butter" side in the "guns vs butter" argument. He is said to be opposed to India's nuke tests in the '90s because they could jeopardize India's economic interests.

Well, today terrorists enacted a massacre that can jeopardize India's economic interests. You could argue that MMS couldn't be moved to action as long as terrorists focused on local trains in Mumbai or eateries in Hyderabad. But now they have attacked our businessmen, and tried to strike fear and doubt in the minds of foreign investors. MMS has to take action.

[cholaraja]

all this talk of India's resonse toward the swines is garbage. it is eremtion of any resonse from India in the swines direction thats what it is. US's goal is fighting the terror and the swines's hoards concentrated on the western border to assist. no matter what occurs in India. Nice friends US has too in India and they already know that India will not act even if it tried then Dubya would call...

[Dilbu]

Wajid Hassan the Paki High Commissioner is on BBC claiming that there is no evidence of any Paki involvement or of their territory being used for these attackes. BBC presenter seems to agree with him.

yeah right like there is no evidence of involvement of them in any attacks till now including one on Indian embassy in afghanistan.

What use is this evidence if all you can do is compile them into fact sheets and keep it in your archives only to be taken out when another incident happens and more evidence is to be collected and kept for posterity. Do GOI seriously think somebody among the 'world leaders' will give a flying phuck what evidence we have? If you cant protect yourself then no one will.

[nishug]

how those terrorist were allowed to roam around in mumbai so freely and how come terrorists hijacked a police vehicle ???? .... this is the most surprising thing that no one is discussing the fact that a police vehicle was hijacked

What is so surprising about that? It has happened before in other places around the world. Matter of fact, one chap managed to even steal a military tank and drove it down the freeway in the San Diego area before he was stopped.

What is so surprising about it is not that if this has happened before or not ... but about making an issue out of it. My point is no one is criticized by the media for this terror attack ....

[Singha]

not everything in the world happens are per US desires and plans. like nothing in afghanistan after years of war is going right for them.

they couldnt control/punish/manage the taliban, they have no ability to manage India if India decides to flush the toilet or aim a general fart in their direction. travel advisories ? Boo - travel is down to rock bottom anyway and we are not a tourist economy unlike thailand or orlando.

[lakshmikanth]

The only reaction I see happening is MMS shouting at the ISI chaprasi and then declaring Indo-Puki bhai bhai

Not so cynical this time. Let's wait and watch.

MMS is not a crooked politician. I believe he just happens to take the "butter" side in the "guns vs butter" argument. He is said to be opposed to India's nuke tests in the '90s because they could jeopardize India's economic interests.

Well, today terrorists enacted a massacre that can jeopardize India's economic interests. You could argue that MMS couldn't be moved to action as long as terrorists focused on local trains in Mumbai or eateries in Hyderabad. But now they have attacked our businessmen, and tried to strike fear and doubt in the minds of foreign investors. MMS has to take action.

Saar, we left LTTE alone after the PRIME MINISTER of our nation had been blown to smithereens! What are going to do in this case saar??

[SSridhar]

CNN-IBN is reporting that Yemeni(s) was (were) involved along with the Pakistanis. The fact that the trawler captain was found with slit throat lends credence to Yemeni Al Qaeda involvement. He was murdered around 8 PM on Thursday.

CNN-IBN also claims that the terrorists were contacting somebody in Jalalabad.

[lakshmikanth]

Video of Pig Getting Fried (not as clear as TimesNow but still good):

http://broadband.indiatimes.com/toishow ... 772153.cms

TimesNow reporting: Pig Got shot jumped out of window, commando fired down from window. NSG: All infested places are sanitized, ops completed, total dead:183 -- 20 policemen (mah police = 14, State reserve police 2, HG-2, RPF-2)

[James B]

B. Raman's Analysis of Mumbai attack. He has put everything in perspective.

MUMBAI: LESSONS FOR THE FUTURE

By B.Raman

While the picture of what happened in Mumbai between 9-21 PM on Wednesday and 8 AM on Saturday, when the terrorist situation was finally terminated, is still incomplete and confusing, certain facts available should give an attitude of the magnitude of the strikes, the like of which the world has not seen before:

There were 13 incidents of intense firing with assault rifles at different places, including the Chhatrapati Shivaji Train (CST) terminus, where the terrorist operation started at 9-21 PM, the Metro Cinema junction, the Cama and Albless Hospital, outside the Olympia restaurant in Colaba, the lobbies of the Taj Mahal and Oberoi/Trident hotels, and the Leopald Café behind the Taj Mahal Hotel. The terrorists would seem to have chosen the CST for the launching of their strikes because it is named after Shivaji, a Hindu ruler, who fiercely opposed the Muslim rulers of India. Near the Metro Cinema junction, some terrorists hijacked a police vehicle and went around spraying bullets on passers-by.
There were seven incidents involving explosive devices----outside the Taj Mahal Hotel, in the BPT Colony at Mazgaon, three near the Oberoi/Trident Hotels, the Colaba market and inside a taxi.
There were many incidents of throwing hand-grenades---two of them at the Cama hospital and on Free Press Road. Hemant Karkare, the legendary head of Mumbai’s Anti-terrorism Squad (ATS), is reported to have been killed in the incident near the hospital.
There were three incidents of fidayeen style (suicidal, not suicide) infiltration into buildings followed by a prolonged confrontation with the security forces before being killed or captured. These took place in the Taj Mahal and the Oberoi/Trident hotels and in the Narriman House in Colaba, where a Jewish religious-cum-cultural centre is located, headed by a Jewish Rabbi. Jewish people of different nationalities often congregate there. The centre also has cheap accommodation for Jewish visitors from abroad.
According to the local authorities, most of the hotel guests who were subsequently rescued by the NSG had run into their rooms and locked themselves up when the terrorist forced their way into the lobbies and restaurants and started opening fire. They were not hostages. It is not yet clear whether the terrorists did manage to take hostages and, if so, of which nationalities.
The terrorists took four Jewish people hostages in the Narriman House, three of them Israeli nationals. They were found dead when the NSG made their entry and killed the terrorists. It is not yet known how they died-----through bullet wounds or beheading as the jihadis normally do.
There were over 160 fatalities. The number may go up as the security forces inspect the hotels. According to present indications, the number of foreigners killed was about 10 only--- including three Israelis, two Greeks, one Japanese and possibly two Americans (not yet confirmed ). The terrorists were reportedly looking for people with American, British and Israeli passports.
Almost all the terrorist strikes took place against targets near the sea, indicating thereby that the terrorists, who had reportedly come by sea, were hoping to escape by sea if they managed to survive.
Between 15 and 20 terrorists, who came from outside, are believed to have participated in the operation, The kind of local support they had is not yet clear.
Two of the terrorists are reported to have been caught alive and are presently under interrogation. According to the police, one of them, who gave his name as Ajmal Amir Kamal, is a resident of Faridot, near Multan, in Pakistani Punjab. He identified himself as a member of the Lashkar-e-Toiba (LET). His preliminary interrogation also indicates that the others, who came from outside, also belonged to the LET and had been trained at Muridke, in Pakistani Punjab, where the headquarters of the LET are located.
2. The Mumbai Police, the NSG, the Army, the Navy, the Air Force and the Mumbai Fire Brigade have confronted the terrorists and handled the crisis in an exemplary manner, of which the entire nation can be proud. Their performance has been as exemplary as the crisis management of their counterparts in New York after 9/11. About 20 officers of various ranks, including the chief of the ATS, an additional Commissioner of Police of Mumbai, and two young and intrepid officers of the NSG have died fighting the terrorists.

3.The Government of Prime Minister Dr.Manmohan Singh and his Congress (I) are back to their denial and cover-up mode. They play down the possibility of the involvement of Al Qaeda despite tell-tale signs of an Al Qaeda stamp on the strikes. They continue to maintain a silence on the role of sections of the Indian Muslims lest any open projection of this cost them Muslim votes. They continue to highlight the role of the LET, but without highlighting the fact that it is a member of Osama bin Laden’s International Islamic Front (IIF) and that it has many associates in the Indian Muslim community.

4.I watched with shock and disbelief on the TV, visuals of Karkare trying different helmets and bullet-proof vests before choosing one which suited his build. Here was the most threatened officer of the Mumbai Police and the Government had not even given him a protective gear tailor-made for him. This is a telling instance of the casual way we handle counter-terrorism and we look after our brave officers fighting terrorism.

5.The Prime Minister has been unwise in reportedly suggesting a visit to India by Lt.Gen.Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the Director-General of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), for discussions on the Mumbai blasts. One fails to understand what useful results will come out of it. There are strong indications of the involvement of the LET in the Mumbai strikes----either on its own or at the direction of bin Laden and most likely with the logistic support of some Indian Muslims. By failing to act against the LET, its leaders and terrorist infrastructure even after ostensibly banning it on January 12,2002, the State of Pakistan has definitely facilitated its acts of terrorism in Indian territory. By sharing the information collected by us at this stage with the ISI chief we will help him in covering up the tracks of the LET and the ISI before we could complete the investigation. There has been opposition in Pakistan to his visit particularly from the Army.

6.One should not be surprised if the suggestion for the visit had come from the US and the Prime Minister had accepted it just as he accepted in September,2006, the US suggestion for setting up a joint counter-terrorism mechanism with Pakistan. The American ploy would have been to divert any Indian public anger against Pakistan and the Prime Minister should have firmly rejected it.

7.Three of the most gruesome acts of terrorism since India became independent have taken place in Mumbai---the March 1993 blasts, the July 2006 blasts in suburban trains and the strikes of November 26-29. It is a shame that we have not been able to protect effectively this city, which is the jewel of India. Mumbai is India’s New York and Shanghai. Look at the way the Americans have protected NY after 9/11. Look at the way the Chinese have protected Shanghai. The immediate priority of the Government should be to set up a joint task force of serving and retired officers from Maharashtra in the Police, intelligence agencies and the Armed Forces to work-out and implement a time-bound plan to ensure that 26/11 cannot be repeated again. Mumbai has till now been the gateway of India. The terrorists have exploited it. We should make it Fortress India. Foreign investors will lose confidence in India if Mumbai, where most of the corporate headquarters are located, can be attacked repeatedly with impunity by terrorists.

8.The second lesson is that confidence-building measures with Pakistan cannot be at the expense of national security. In the name of confidence-building, there have been too many relaxations of immigration regulations applicable to Pakistan. There has been pressure on the Government for more relaxations from the so-called Indians-Pakistanis Bhai Bhai (Indians-Pakistanis are brothers) lobby. The terrorists have been a major beneficiary of these relaxations. These relaxations have decreased the vigilance of our people. For example, hotels, which immediately used to alert the Police when a Pakistani national or a foreigner of Pakistani origin checked in, no longer do so. According to one as yet unconfirmed report, some of the perpetrators of the attacks on the hotels had checked in some days before the strike and the others came subsequently by boat. If this was so and if the hotels had immediately alerted the Police, the terrorist strikes might have been prevented.

9. In my view, the terrorist strikes in Mumbai had the stamp of Al Qaeda in the way they were conceived, planned and executed. There has also been a touch of the Hizbollah of the Lebanon, the Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine (PFLP), the Al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade and other Palestinian organizations.

10.The reported use of boats and dinghies for the clandestine transport of men and material for terrorist strikes on land is an old modus operandi (MO) used in the past against Israel. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) had copied it from them. The anti-India jihadis have emulated their West Asian counterparts.

11.The use of boats for transport enables the terrorists to evade physical security checks by road, rail and air. The numerous creeks between India and Pakistan across the Bhuj area of Gujarat enable the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan and the pro-Al Qaeda Pakistani terrorist organizations to clandestinely transport men and material by sea. Reports that the ISI had planned to use this MO for helping the Khalistani terrorists in the 1990s had led to the Border Security Force acquiring some boats which could be used for surveillance in these creeks.

12.The success of the terrorists in evading detection by our Coast Guard and the police reveals a serious gap in our maritime counter-terrorism architecture. If this gap is not quickly identified and closed, the vulnerability of the Bombay High off-shore oil installations and the nuclear establishments to terrorist attacks from the sea would be increased. Many of our nuclear and space establishments----not only in Mumbai, but also in other areas---are located on the coast and are particularly vulnerable to sea-borne terrorist attacks.

13.The stamp of Al Qaeda is evident in the selection of targets. The Taj Hotel, old and new, the Oberoi-Trident Hotel and the Narriman House were the strategic focus of the terrorist operation. The terrorist strikes in other places such as railway stations, a hospital etc and instances of random firing were of a tactical nature intended to create scare and panic.

14. The strategic significance of the attacks on the two hotels from Al Qaeda’s point of view arose from the fact that these hotels are the approved hotels of the US and Israeli Governments for their visiting public servants and for the temporary stay of their consular officials posted in Mumbai till a regular house is found for them.

15. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad, presently undergoing trial before a military tribunal in the Guantanamo Bay detention centre for his involvement in the 9/11 terrorist strikes, was reported to have told his American interrogators that before 9/11 Al Qaeda had planned to blow up the Israeli Embassy in New Delhi. After the visit of President George Bush to India in March,2006, Osama bin Laden had, in an audio message, described the global jihad as directed against the Crusaders, the Jewish people and the Hindus.

16.Al Qaeda and pro-Al Qaeda organizations have been critical of India’s close co-operation with Israel and the US. In the past, the ISI had also shown an interest in having Indo-Israeli relations disrupted through terrorist attacks on visiting Israeli nationals in India. In 1991, it had instigated an attack by the Jammu & Kashmir Liberation Front on some Israeli tourists in Srinagar by alleging that they were really Israeli counter-terrorism experts.

17.The fact that the number of foreigners killed was small would show that the attacks on the foreigners in the hotels was selective and not indiscriminate. Available reports indicate that the terrorists were looking for American, British and Israeli nationals----particularly visiting public servants among them with official or diplomatic passports.

18.The only reason for their targeting the British could have been the active British role in the anti-Taliban operations in Afghanistan and in training the commandoes of Pakistan’s Special Services Group (SSG), jointly with an American team of instructors. The SSG was in the forefront of the raid into the Lal Masjid of Islamabad in July,2007, and has been playing an active role in the operations against the Pakistani Taliban in the Swat Valley of the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) and in the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA).

19. The terrorist strike has also had an anti-Jewish angle as evident from the raid into the Narriman House and the taking of Jewish hostages there. The targeting of the Americans, British, Israelis and Indian Jews has to be seen in the overall context of not only the anger of some Muslims against the Indian co-operation with the US and Israel , but also the role of the US and the UK in the war against Al Qaeda and the Taliban. One should be prepared for more attacks in future not only on American, British and Israeli nationals, but also on their diplomatic and consular missions and their business interests in India.

20. The attacks on the foreigners have already disrupted the ongoing tour of India by the English cricket team. it is ironic that at a time when we were considering the advisability of our cricket team going to Pakistan due to the poor security conditions there, foreign cricket teams should start having fears about coming to India due to the poor internal security in India. Similar nervousness in the minds of businessmen in foreign countries over security conditions in India could be an outcome of the spectacular terrorist strikes.

21.In the US, Spain and the UK, the terrorist strikes attributed to Al Qaeda were followed by detailed enquiries to identify deficiencies which made the strikes possible and recommend remedial measures, which were implemented. In India, even though we have been facing a series of major terrorist strikes since November 2007, no enquiry has been held. Unless we have the courage to admit our deficiencies and correct them, our counter-terrorism machinery is unlikely to improve. The public has a right to be kept informed of the results of the enquiries and the action taken.

22.There is a misleading debate started by the Congress (I) on the importance of patriotism in the face of the terrorist strikes. It has been trying to silence criticism of its mishandling in the name of patriotism. It has been citing the example of the US after 9/11. In the US, patriotism did not mean support of the Government, right or wrong. It meant support for all the measures taken by the Government for strengthening the counter-terrorism machinery such as additional powers for the agencies and the police, increase in budgetary allocations for the agencies, tightening of immigration procedures etc. It did not mean silence on the sins of commission and omission of the Government. Electoral calculations seem to be the only motivating factor of the Government’s actions and not national interests and national security----even after the colossal Mumbai failure and the consequent tragedy.

[milindc]

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[p_saggu]

The next thing we NEED to do is to set up a BIIIIIIG 'MUSEUM OF EVIDENCE AGAINST PAKISTAN' off Rajpath, where foreign dignitaries will pay their humble respects right after they have paid their respect at Mahatma Gandhi's Samadhi.

[Singha]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa17 ... 853892.jpg

is that a head mounted nvg?

p_saggu - sad but true.

[Sai]

Saar, we left LTTE alone after the PRIME MINISTER of our nation had been blown to smithereens! What are going to do in this case saar??

The assassination of an ex-prime minister by a non-state, even if foreign, actor is not the same as the gross act of terrorism we just witnessed. The attack on Mumbai is the most serious attack on Indian sovereignty and economic interests after the attack on the Parliament. I am expressing the hope -- and think the odds are high -- that MMS sees it for what it is and takes action.

[lakshmikanth]

Saar, we left LTTE alone after the PRIME MINISTER of our nation had been blown to smithereens! What are going to do in this case saar??

The assassination of an ex-prime minister by a non-state, even if foreign, actor is not the same as the gross act of terrorism we just witnessed. The attack on Mumbai is the most serious attack on Indian sovereignty and economic interests after the attack on the Parliament. I am expressing the hope -- and think the odds are high -- that MMS sees it for what it is and takes action.

I hope so too Sai-sar.

Just a correction: He WAS the prime-minister at the time of assasination, which is a BIG phuckinn deal if not more important than this one.

[Singha]

LTTE has been made to pay its price. its camps and activities in TN have been mostly shut down (now they operate from a lawless patch in southern thailand and other parts of asean), and marcos & IN have cut loose whenever the opportunity presented itself...like killing Kittu on that ship.

the final last rites are being done by the SL Army these days.

more could have been done had not certain local politicians in TN continued
to support LTTE in search of their vote bank. this is same as the soft
approach on certain orgs/people fearing muslim backlash.

[krishnan]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa17 ... 853892.jpg

is that a head mounted nvg?

p_saggu - sad but true.

looks like one

[Patni]

Will there be a separate thread to analyse "Mumbai 26/11 terrorist attack by Pakistan on India"? I have made a google map showing the landing site and major landmarks and probable path they took on mumbai's road. I want to now make an accurate time line from all available public sources including the time stamp from the messages posted by BRF members in the thread. All help suggestions welcome.

[lakshmikanth]

LTTE has been made to pay its price. its camps and activities in TN have been mostly shut down (now they operate from a lawless patch in southern thailand and other parts of asean), and marcos & IN have cut loose whenever the opportunity presented itself...like killing Kittu on that ship.

the final last rites are being done by the SL Army these days.

more could have been done had not certain local politicians in TN continued
to support LTTE in search of their vote bank. this is same as the soft
approach on certain orgs/people fearing muslim backlash.

This is why I expect nothing will ever happen. In this matters almost all Indian politicians are Ball-Less wonders!

[Sai]

Just a correction: He WAS the prime-minister at the time of assasination, which is a BIG phuckinn deal if not more important than this one.

Correction: he wasn't. He was PM 84-89. VP Singh followed. Chandrasekhar followed, with Congress support. RG pulled his government down. Elections announced. RG campaigned. Killed while campaigning.

[lakshmikanth]

Just a correction: He WAS the prime-minister at the time of assasination, which is a BIG phuckinn deal if not more important than this one.

Correction: he wasn't. He was PM 84-89. VP Singh followed. Chandrasekhar followed, with Congress support. RG pulled his government down. Elections announced. RG campaigned. Killed while campaigning.

Ok maybe wiki-pedia might have wrong info. I was too young to recollect what happened. thanks for the correction.

[Sumeet]

From 2004 but relevant today

The name Lashkar-e-Toiba means army of the pure and its followers are committed to martyrdom in the name of jihad to liberate Indian held Kashmir.

Jamaat ul Dawa, means the party of preachers, or more literally, an invitation to obey the dictates of the prophet.

But what's in a name? Not much according to one of Jamaat ul Dawa's fellow travellers, Abdul Rashid Ghazi, the deputy imam at the Red Mosque in Islamabad.

He says the banning of Lashkar-e-Toiba does not mean its people have gone away.

ABDUL RASHID GHAZI: Yes they are there. They are very much there. I mean, the people are there. People are there. Maybe they are working differently, not that way as they'd been working earlier but, you know that it's a reality, everybody knows it.

GEOFF THOMPSON: That reality is also observed by retired lieutenant general Hamid Gul, a former chief of Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence network, known as the ISI.

HAMID GUL: Well as long as the human beings exist, the organisations will also exist. As long as the sentiment exists, the cause exists, then the organisations cannot be demolished like that.

GEOFF THOMPSON: In the past at least, if less openly today, the ISI which is fondly referred to as the establishment in Pakistan, had tight links with Lashkar-e-Toiba. In effect, the LET operated as its covert warriors against the Indian army in Kashmir.

Former Pakistan defence secretary, Lieutenant General, Talat Masood.

TALAT MASOOD: And they undoubtedly were working in tandem with them, there is no doubt about that.

GEOFF THOMPSON: But now there is a dialogue with India, why is Lashkar's successor, Jamaat ul Dawa, tolerated and its leader a free man?

Pakistan's Foreign Ministry Spokesman, Masood Khan.

MASOOD KHAN: The organisation is banned but we were not in a position to bring charges against its leader, that's why he has been set free, but the network itself has been dismantled and demobilised.

GEOFF THOMPSON: The Pakistani military's line on whether Pakistani militants are operating in Kashmir is very clear. It flatly denies it and says neither are they crossing into India to attack its forces. The Pakistani army claims those attacks are the work of militants inside India.

Armed Forces Military Spokesman, Major General Shaukat Sultan.

SHAUKAT SULTAN: There is no cross border infiltration let me tell you. This is an indigenous movement.

GEOFF THOMPSON: In a time when other jihadi organisations are banned in Pakistan Jamaat ul Dawa is just on a watch list. This, even though about 40 per cent of al-Qaeda fugitives in Pakistan were caught in the houses of people associated with Jamaat ul Dawa and the LET.

Sources in Pakistan close to those groups say that they remain Pakistan's secret weapon against the vastly superior Indian army, if the current Kashmir peace process doesn't work out.

MARK COLVIN: Geoff Thompson.

[Raja]

This is such a mess. We have all agencies talking, government at different levels talking (state, federal). What ends up happening is that there are conflicting reports - all undermines the true signal. Why can't we have a singular source of information instead of hazar people claiming hazar random things with the media making their own spins on top of it?

[Dilbu]

The next thing we NEED to do is to set up a BIIIIIIG 'MUSEUM OF EVIDENCE AGAINST PAKISTAN' off Rajpath, where foreign dignitaries will pay their humble respects right after they have paid their respect at Mahatma Gandhi's Samadhi.

Now that we are circulating the concept paper on evidence to all 'world leaders', White house and Downing street will immediately undertake cost cutting and cancel that urgent order placed for toilet paper. I sincerely hope GOI has got a plan going regarding all this.

[James B]

Dawood behind Mumbai attacks: ATS sources
CNN-IBN


THE HANDLER: The port from which the terrorists took the boat in Pakistan is controlled by Dawood.
Mumbai: Underworld don Dawood Ibrahim, who is hiding in Pakistan, may be involved in organising the attack on Mumbai, claimed Maharashtra Anti-Terrorism Squad sources.
The sources said that the terrorists, who attacked and took hostages at three places in Mumbai, included two UK-born Pakistanis while one of them was a Yemeni national.
They also added that the terrorists were heavily drugged and were using Blackberry to communicate.
The information was gathered by the investigating agencies following the interrogation of 21-year-old terrorist Ajmal Amir Kamal, a resident of Faridkot, Multan in Pakistan.
Kamal who was captured on Wednesday revealed that the group numbering 12 travelled from Rawalpindi to Karachi and them from Karachi to Mumbai.
The port from which they had boarded is controlled by Dawood. Sources said that all the terrorists trained and brainwashed in Pakistan.
Kamal's blood and urine test showed that he was under the influence of drugs, which reportedly helped the terrorists sustain themselves during the attacks by the security forces.
All the terrorists had also been instructed to kill till their death.
One group of terrorists had also done a recce of the targets that they planned to attack about four months ago.
All the terrorists were trained at Mangla Dam near Muzaffarabad in Pakistan occupied Kashmir. They also underwent marine training.
All terrorists were shown and given digital maps of Mumbai.
The sources also added that the terrorists travelled in two groups. While one group got off their boat at Sassoon Docks, another group landed at Badhwar Park near Gateway of India.

[suvod]

There is a prayer meeting at the Police Gymkhana at 5pm tomorrow to pay tribute to the policemen who gave their lives. It is open to the public too.

[lakshmikanth]

The next thing we NEED to do is to set up a BIIIIIIG 'MUSEUM OF EVIDENCE AGAINST PAKISTAN' off Rajpath, where foreign dignitaries will pay their humble respects right after they have paid their respect at Mahatma Gandhi's Samadhi.

Now that we are circulating the concept paper on evidence to all 'world leaders', White house and Downing street will immediately undertake cost cutting and cancel that urgent order placed for toilet paper. I sincerely hope GOI has got a plan going regarding all this.

The phrase Headless Chicken comes to mind

[shiv]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa17 ... 853892.jpg

is that a head mounted nvg?

That's acellphone in the ma's hand - a cell camera

[Shivani]

If it can be substantiated that some of the terrorists held British passport or long term residency visas, then media needs to stop identifying them as Pakistanis or British-Asians.

Call them British, or British funded terrorists. Ask Gordon whether this is declaration of hostilities from UK government, and if not, what he is going to do to put a permanent end to this business. Establish a framework that allows Indian investigators to move freely in UK, gather intelligence and monitor islamism in UK.

UK is either with us or against us. If they don't cooperate serve them the fruits of terrorism as well. They'll evolve.

[Nayak]

Why is there a silence from the politicos/HFLs/WKK/Amnesty/HR ?

[Singha]

Shiv, I was referring to the thing dangling from the neck. it is definitely a
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[Dilbu]

Why is there a silence from the politicos/HFLs/WKK/Amnesty/HR ?

Because they see no action being taken/promised against their interest groups yet.

[Sumeet]

becoz goras & jews are killed.