Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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Postby sunilUpa » 29 Nov 2008 19:29

22 bodies recovered till now in Taj.

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Postby enqyoob » 29 Nov 2008 19:30

Surya: Your argument proves my point.

narayan, to be fair the clip was used by others for propaganda. For us the accent is clear. For the idiots in the west it was a question from the terrorist " where were you when muslims were being killed ..bla blah" . I found it especially galling to have the mofos disparage the commandos etc. The TV guys could have taped it and not shown it. But I guess ratings ka sawal hai


Think about that for a bit.
"Ratings" is what drove TV networks to show innocent victims lying dead in odd positions with blood all over, in complete disregard for the feelings of their relatives and friends. I would support prosecution, or at least lawsuits by the relatives to trash these TV "journalists" and their publishers/ producers.

But in the scenario that you advocate above, the TV channel would have taped the interview, and then released a TRANSCRIPT to the public later, and THAT would have been read by the idiots in the west, east, north and south, WITH THE ACCENT TAKEN OUT. What would have been the effect then?? All that would have come across is the bleating of "Indian Mujaheddin" as revenge for this/ revenge for that etc. NOW I see where the idiots got the stuff about "Where were you when they were killing our mothers and sisters?" etc. The "anger in the tone".

We would have remained ignorant about the most important information there: the CLEAR PAKISTANI ACCENT. This is where the Pakis outsmarted themselves. The moment the accent came out, INDIANS had to laugh, because these were so clearly Pakis.

But.. as you see, people have not yet realized how this Pakistani attack became so clearly attributed to Pakistan. Once the authorities realized that Mumbaikars had already figured it out, there was no more any excuse to hide the facts.

The Pakis intended for all the terrorists to die. This didn't happen either, and the Ustad Suar who is now singing ghazals is what revealed the UK-Paki connection.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby krishnan » 29 Nov 2008 19:32

bains wrote:Mumbaikers,

I still think that the local cell of this murderous pigs is still active and they have to live within a radious of 10 from each site of attack.


a terrorists asking a hostage whether he was a brahmin because his name sounded like south indian , and NSG commando saying they were cursing them in hindi, goes to show that either there were local involved or these people have been in india for far too longer than we all think

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby sampat » 29 Nov 2008 19:35

Dawood provided logistics to militants in Mumbai

Underworld don Dawood Ibrahim's henchman, suspected to be a Colaba-based businessman, handed over arms and explosives to Lashkar-e-Toiba militants for carrying out attacks in Mumbai, in what is emerging as the first major joint operation by the Karachi-based gangster and the banned outfit, official sources said.

Ajmal Amin, the only militant arrested during the operation, told interrogators that the dozen ultras who sailed from Karachi had come to Sasool dock from where they were taken first to Cuff Parade and later to Gateway of India in boats arranged by a front man of Dawood, who runs several custom clearing houses in Mumbai, the sources claimed.

Mumbai police and central security agencies have launched a massive manhunt for the businessman considered as a henchman of Dawood, who has been listed as Global Terrorist having links to al-Qaeda by the United States.

The suspect looks after some customs clearing mechanism and also indulges in diesel smuggling for the underworld don, the sources claimed.

After getting into waiting boats arranged by Dawood's gang in Mumbai, arms, ammunition and plastic explosives were quickly transferred to the waiting boats that took the terrorists to the Gateway of India which was had been marked as launching pad for the terror strike, the first of its kind in the country terrorism history.

The Intelligence agencies had sent a warning note to Coast Guard to keep a watch for an unidentified Pakistani trawler sailing from Karachi port which may enter into Indian waters. While the coast guard was looking for a Pakistani or unidentified vessel, the terrorists hijacked Indian fishing trawler ‘MV Kuber’ killing its crew and entered the Mumbai seas.

The Coast Guard captured the abandoned vessel which had a Global Positioning System as it was was drifting nearly four nautical miles off the coast of Mumbai on Thursday morning, several hours after the terrorists struck.

The terrorist claimed during interrogation that they had even planned to leave Mumbai back for Karachi, if luck favoured them, the sources said.

This solves the mystery of Global Positioning System instrument located from MV Kuber which was fed with a return map to Karachi, the sources said.

The underworld don's men had also provided a complete pictures of the two hotels and the Chhabad House, which houses the Israelis.

Meanwhile, investigators were going through the call data details downloaded from the satellite phone also recovered from the abandoned trawler.

It revealed numbers that have been traced back to the LeT's ‘chief of operations’, Muzamil.

The terrorists had been in constant touch with their masters across the border and some of the communications have been intercepted by both the army as well as the elite National Security Guards.

The militant said Taj and Trident-Oberoi were selected because the two hotels have a large clientele of Britishers and US citizens besides that a large number of Israeli businessmen had come to Trident for attending a diamond exhibition, the sources said.

The militants were also asked by their ‘masters’ to engage security personnel in negotiation besides throwing grenades.

The two militants holed up in Nariman House had made attempts to hold talks on two occasions, the sources said.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Surya » 29 Nov 2008 19:36

narayana

I mean the clip can be shown later NOT transcript. Transcript have no drama - wouldn't it be nice to have girlie boy scream out while he is being worked over.

normally media hold off on such things unless they feel another rival might scoop them.

I agree with the importance of it for us -

I am assuming these raucous idiots will be ready to show it in a day of two no matter what Govts would try to do.

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Postby Kersi D » 29 Nov 2008 19:37

Nayak wrote:Why is there a silence from the politicos/HFLs/WKK/Amnesty/HR ?


Why is there silences from

Mulayam Singh Yadav

Laloo Prasad yadav

The Thakeray Family

Jairam Ramesh

etc.

Normally these gentlemen will give their wise comments on any subject ranging from the condition of ladies toilets in Afghanistan to how innocent young neighbouring Muslim boys were killed when they came to visit India.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Singha » 29 Nov 2008 19:38

more details will emerge as time passes but it looks like people were being
used as human shields to hold back the troops. on friday night many were executed per the link below. for obvious reasons this news was suppressed under the "no hostages" line to avoid a kandahar hijack like situation and international pressure probably.

we all know which members of the media would have a multiple orgasm at
the thought of picking apart the security forces on the issue of hostages.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29m ... mmando.htm

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby SaiK » 29 Nov 2008 19:39

dawood did this, that.. and he will again do this and that.. can we put an end to this!? send people on assassination missions. please.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby cben » 29 Nov 2008 19:40

Sumeet wrote:the day its enters into dumb minds or deliberately dumb minds of western analysts, that the ideology that motivates these ********, declares them [westerners] to be as much of an infidel as us and consequently making all of us equal & legitimate targets. Any attempt to create good terrorist [who works for America/West] v/s bad terrorist [who works against western interests] shows nothing but desperate attempts to delusion oneself.

It was a matter of pure chance that during 1980's their and your [west's] interests were same. Hence it appeared as if they acted as instruments of your foreign policy, the foot soldiers who battled Soviets bleeding their economy by prolonging the war. However, their real motivation was to fight invasion of Islamic land by atheist communists and not any kind of fancy belief that west is somehow good so its nice to ally with them.

Just understand that these guys are not bunch of gangsters who can be made to follow diktats of a master blindly. Their master is Allah and they will only follow his commandments rightly or wrongly interpreted. Unfortunately no interpretation of Quran can make you[west] look on the side of Allah. Hence its futile to entertain the notion that somehow we can gain direct or indirect control over them and let them run havoc on anyone we wish, anytime we wish.

I repeat they are doing this because they who are Muslims are made to believe in certain interpretation of Quran. In those verses every westerner is as much a LEGITIMATE target as is every Indian. All infidels are equal.

The day this truth is absorbed by fellow democracies & free regimes of this world, we will be able to solve the problem of Islamic radicalism quickly for then the civilized world will be able to stand up together and deal with this menace.

But going by history that tells us that even people like Nazis were tolerated and allowed to grow [Policy of Appeasement] since Hitler's Germany was considered by France & UK to be their buffer against & answer to communist Soviets, one can expect it will take more than what has already transpired for these guys to give up attempts of self delusion.


Well said Sumeet. But now the lefties are ruling the west. They are not going to understand it. The newly elected far left goverment (being formed) in US will take this as an opportunity meddle in India and teach themsleves and India more tolerance ( After all the Jihadis are attacking us because we are bad :rotfl: ) The coming Obama administration is already assembling a Clintonite staff, they will continue the clintonite policy of making China the master of Asia and supporting Islamic terrorism against India. They hope that this keep the Jihadis away from them.

India cannot rely on the West to act against TSP terror. After all the West is the creator and maintainer of Pakistan. It is no use giving proof to those who do not want to believe. No amount of proof will satisfy them.

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Postby enqyoob » 29 Nov 2008 19:41

And I mean that showing the clip later has no effect, AFTER the transcript is published so that all the newspapers claim it is just "angry Muslim Youth from India, taking revenge against the Indian Army for killing their mothers and sisters".

Here, for example, is the reaction from an "ABCD" - a VERY intelligent person, that I got yesterday.
What's your opinion on these fringe radicals? They contend that the Indian army systematically kills their relatives or something. I'm not that informed on political issues in India these days, I'm personally more preoccupied with infrastructural issues. This is kind of a throwback, isn't it?


Happens to be from SOUTH India, knows no Hindi. This explains why the vast majority of desis remain clueless about the threat India faces from Pakistan.

That one TV broadcast brought the Paki terrorists' voices into Indian living rooms, and removed all doubt. And that's why the govt. is angry. DOWN with the govt, I say. Vote them out!

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Patni » 29 Nov 2008 19:42

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/witness-account-of-karkare-kamte-and-salaskars-death/392181/1

Injured Constable Arun Jadhav was in the vehicle whose tyre burst when the desperadoes had commandeered it in their attempt to flee from police chase.

Karkare, encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and Additional Commissioner of Police Ashok Kamte, who were all travelling in the same vehicle, were shot dead along with three constables by the terrorists.

The top officers were on way to Cama Hospital, just a 10-minute drive from CST station, to check on another injured officer Sadanand Date.

"When we were informed that Sadanand Date has been injured at the firing in Cama Hospital Karkare, Kamte, Salaskar and four constables left from CST to the spot.

"Five minutes later, two persons carrying AK-47 rifles emerged from behind a tree and started firing at out vehicle," said Jadhav, who was hit by two bullets in his right arm and is recuperating in the Bombay Hospital.

"The two terrorists then came up to our vehicle and pulled out Karkare, Kamte and Salaskar's bodies out and threw them on the road. Thinking that we (Constables) are also dead, the terrorists then got into the car and started driving towards Metro junction," Jadhav said.

They fired three rounds at journalists and police vans standing at Metro junction and then sped away towards Vidhan Bhawan in south Mumbai, where again they fired some rounds.

"The terrorists then started driving from Vidhan Bhawan when the car's tyre burst. They then got off the car and ran towards another vehicle," he said.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby A_Gupta » 29 Nov 2008 19:45

Why are Dawood's front men in Mumbai left untouched? Cannot the head of the network in Mumbai be chopped off, either legally or covertly? I'd suspect that these folks have political connections; the politicians concerned then should be exposed.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby bains » 29 Nov 2008 19:47

Dear Indians,

please tell the authorities in Bengaluru to be on alert. Many muslims from kerala, karnataka, tamil nadu and andhra pradesh have attended terrorist camps to act as couriers for the jihadi pigs. Prevention is better than cure, in other words, hunt the pigs and mow them down.

The citizens of all metros should by now know how to react to similiar acts of barbarity in the future. Let us show these cowards that each of us is a soldier. We will also fight back with all our might.

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Postby Kersi D » 29 Nov 2008 19:51

Why are the NSGs based only in Delhi ? If there are supposed to be say 2000 NSGs let us place 500 in each of the N/S/E/W zones for quick response.

Or is it that the NSG is only meant to protect our politicians (MSY, LPY, SG, MMS etc, ) in Delhi

Our minister gives the airlines schedule that 200 NSGs will leave Delhi by 1:00 am. I did not hear him say which flight and on which terminal
will they land. Did somebody else hear him ?

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Postby CRamS » 29 Nov 2008 19:51

Just watching timesnow. A lot of breast beating on 'failure of leadership' and 'politicians are scum bags' rhetoric. I waiting for a sound, profound analsys on the need and modus operendi to take on TSP. Not the cahi biskoot cricket/bollywood bhaichara.

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Postby Surya » 29 Nov 2008 19:52

anyway jadhav's account indicates a bad decision by the cops.

3 important cops should not have been crammed together in one vehicle - a lesson for next time.

the question is did these jihadi swine know who was int he vehicle or randomly picked it up.

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Postby A_Gupta » 29 Nov 2008 19:52

No prizes for guessing what the outcome will be. {We need to protect Pakistan.}

WASHINGTON – President George W. Bush conferred with diplomatic officials Saturday at Camp David about the attacks in India that have raised tensions in the region.

Bush planned to make a brief statement about the attacks upon his return to the White House later Saturday after spending the holiday weekend at the presidential retreat in Maryland.

Among those participating in the secure video-teleconference were Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice; David Mulford, the U.S. ambassador to India; Paul Folmsbee, consul general at the U.S. consulate in Mumbai, India; and members of Bush's national security team.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/ap_ ... a_shooting

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Postby Surya » 29 Nov 2008 19:56

Has any of arab states condemned the attack?

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oops - sorry admins
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby John Snow » 29 Nov 2008 19:57

Ah the Indian ingenuity starts to work,
Dawood behind this
Cant get Dawood
because ISI protects him
Cant get to ISI because Unkil doesnt let US
Cant make US to agree
because US has to make India super power

so the wait goes on.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby SK Mody » 29 Nov 2008 20:02

Posting daily summary of events from AFCEA:

25/11/88
Pakistan: Today, a senior security official denied Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi's statement that the political section of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had been closed, Asian News International reported. The official said that the political section of the ISI still existed, although it had been made "inactive."

This statement is hardly good news, but it showcases the fractiousness of Pakistan’s national security establishment. ISI hard line professionals are at war with the elected government which thus far has shown it has no capability to clean ISI’s house. Musharraf’s old timers and the pro-fundamentalists need to be dismissed once and for all. They work to subvert the elected government.

Pakistan's air force is capable of stopping the flights of unmanned drones and missile strikes into its territory from Afghanistan, Pakistani air force Chief Marshall Tanvir Mahmood told Geo News today. Mahmood was quoted by Reuters as saying the decision is up to Islamabad whether the drone flights can be dealt with "diplomatically and politically" or whether they will require a military response.


26/11/88
India: The chief of India’s anti terrorist squad, Hemant Karkare, two senior police officers and 100 others were killed by the terrorists, according to The Hindu’s account of today’s coordinated multiple blasts and gunfire attacks in a dozen areas in Mumbai. The targets included iconic landmarks, such as the CST railway station and two five star hotels--Oberoi and Taj Mahal. Reports of the injured ranged from 240 to 900.

The international media has seized on the terrorists’ search for UK and US passport holders as providing a possible motive for the attacks. That appears to have been a ruse, at least in part, because no foreigners have been reported killed as of this Watch.

The Hindu reported hostages are still being held at the Cama Hospital, Chabad House, and the two hotels. Fox News reported the terrorists are holding several hundred hostages. The terrorists have not stated their demands as yet. The timing of these attacks with the Kashmir elections might be a coincidence, but it is a first order inference because the 2001 attack against Parliament was executed by Kashmiri militants who were protesting Indian government of Jammu and Kashmir State.

An unknown and obviously spurious group that called itself the Deccan Mujahedin claimed responsibility for the attacks. STRATFOR published a worthwhile assessment today that concluded that all Indian Islamic terrorist groups have links to Pakistan’s intelligence service, the Inter-Services Intelligence General Directorate, at least in their origins.

An Indian blogger posted, “This is all due to the funding by ISI (secret agency of Pakistan) and lax policies of Congress Party in India. Pakistan wants to create an instability. It can’t manage its own country and wants to create problems in region. It’s a sad situation that western governments, although resolved to fight terror, turn a blind eye on Pakistan.”(Source: a Reuters blog posting.)

The Hindu published a chronological list of terror attacks in the past several years. In 2007, when Musharraf was still in office in Pakistan, India experienced two sensational terrorist attacks. Since the installation of a civilian government in Pakistan, India has experienced 11 sensational and deadly terror attacks, including todays. An unknown Indian Muslim terrorist group claimed responsibility for all of them.

If Indian investigators and interrogators determine that Pakistani intelligence is involved in today’s attacks, the risk of general war between India and Pakistan will be significant. When somewhat similar attacks against the Indian Parliament occurred in December 2001, only concerted and determined US and UK diplomatic intervention managed to prevent a general war. At that time, Indian forces reached full combat readiness in several weeks. That situation could occur again.

At that time, under General Musharraf’s leadership, the Pakistan Army failed to reach full combat readiness and was in danger of an existential defeat, but for the outside intervention. Pakistan would have had no options but to escalate to nuclear missile attacks against Indian cities to stop an Indian conventional attack. An increased threat of a nuclear war remains a real consequence of sectarian strife in South Asia, resulting from acts of terror by Islamists. It is not clear the organizers of the attacks understand the risks or care.

Today’s attacks have similarities to the December 2001 attacks, ignoring the search for US and UK passports. Those attacks proved to be the work of agents of Pakistani intelligence. It remains unclear why Pakistani intelligence operatives might see value or comfort from Hindu vs. Muslim strife in India, unless they believe an unstable India is an appropriate condition when Pakistan also is unstable.

NightWatch judges that Pakistani security is not enhanced by sectarian warfare in India, though some people might think that to be the case. Indian Muslims could die by the millions in a wave of Hindu outrage.

No government has blamed Pakistani intelligence for today’s attacks. Only the bloggers have raised that suspicion, which all Indian Hindus presume without question. Some Islamic lunatics remain devoted to destabilizing India based on diversity of cult. This is an early warning to all readers that this attack could lead to another threat of war between India and Pakistan.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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27/11/88
India: France 24 reported during this Watch that all hotels in Mumbai are free of terrorists after an Indian commando attack on the terrorists in the Oberoi Hotel. Twenty-five terrorists have been shot; news services reported at least three have been captured alive. 12 policemen have died. The Press Trust of India reported at least 127 people are dead and more than 325 injured. During this Watch, The Press Trust of India reported three explosions in the Jewish residential complex, Nariman House, seized by the terrorists, but authorities assured the public operations should be ended soon.

The Hindu, Reuters India and other Indian news services reported that, under custodial interrogation, three of the captured terrorists confessed to having been trained by or were members of the Pakistan-based terrorist group, Lashkar e Taiba (LeT). One of the terrorists also said that western passport holders were not primary targets. One terrorist admitted he is a Pakistani from Punjab Province.

LeT is the group that was responsible for the 13 December 2001 attack against the Indian Parliament in New Delhi that led to general war preparations to attack Pakistan. Its main base is an ISI controlled facility at Muzaffarabad in Pakistani controlled Kashmir. LeT is one of the main insurgent groups that seeks Kashmir’s independence from India. The timing of the attack coincident with the state elections in Jammu and Kashmir State supported a preliminary inference that the attack was a protest against Indian rule. That inference grows stronger as the Indian investigations continue.

The Indian Coast Guard announced it has seized an abandoned trawler in the waters off Mumbai that the Coast Guard said was used by the terrorists to sail from Karachi to Mumbai for the attack. It contained supplies identical to those used in the Mumbai attacks. The BBC reported the Indian Navy has taken control of two Pakistani merchant navy ships and is questioning their crews after witnesses said some of the militants came ashore on small speed boats.

In his address to the nation today, Indian Prime Minister Singh did not identify Pakistan by name, but said the attackers were based "outside the country" and that India would not tolerate "neighbours" who provide a haven to militants targeting it. He warned such neighbors would pay a cost. Similar language was used by the Indian government after the December 2001 attack.

The Deccan Herald and other Indian news papers reported in September that an LeT proxy or false front threatened to attack Mumbai. News sources reported that authorities were aware of the threats and had increased security measures. Those measures were inadequate to prevent infiltration of attackers from the sea as well as to protect targets with high risk factors for terrorist attacks – the two hotels.

There are several significant implications in the facts adduced to date. Pakistan remains unable or unwilling to control the terrorist groups its intelligence services have created. The more likely of the alternatives is that the terrorists are beyond control and still have significant help from official sources.

Even with warning, Indian security is unable to prevent major terrorist attacks. The eleven deadly attacks since April indicate the Indians are getting worse or that the threat is increasing, or both. As details of the Mumbai attack continue to be reported, they reinforce the assessment that the attackers had the cooperation of an underground network of sympathizers of whom the Indian authorities seem unawares.

India and Pakistan are now in a crisis. The terrorist attacks make a Hindu-Muslim sectarian violent backlash almost unavoidable. The Hindus always win but many people die on both sides. The situation is so serious that it could lead to general war. There will be hawks in the government calling for general war to rid India of the Pakistani threat, once and for all.

Readers should expect that India will take revenge against Pakistan or Pakistanis, after the costs are tallied. This time outside parties will not be able to stop India, if the leadership orders general mobilization.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Raju » 29 Nov 2008 20:04

A_Gupta wrote:Why are Dawood's front men in Mumbai left untouched? Cannot the head of the network in Mumbai be chopped off, either legally or covertly? I'd suspect that these folks have political connections; the politicians concerned then should be exposed.



that is why Indian Govt itself cannot brush away its direct responsibility in this attack.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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28/11/08
India: Update. During this Watch, Reuters reported more gun fire and explosions at the Taj Hotel early on 29 November. News reports that the hotels were clear were premature. Indian National Security Guards believe there remains at least one militant. The latest report from the Mumbai Chief of Police is that the siege at the Taj Hotel has now ended, according to al Jazeera.

The death toll from the multi-pronged attacks in Mumbai so far is 160, including at least 20 foreigners. Over 300 people have been wounded, some seriously. The death toll is expected to climb as high as 200, Agence France-Presse reported, citing an Indian government official. At least 11 militants have been killed. India requires a thorough review of its intelligence and security procedures after this.

India-Pakistan: Pakistani soldiers opened fire on Indian positions along the Line of Control in the Poonch District of Jammu and Kashmir State, according to the Press Trust of India which cited an Indian army officer. Indian troops did not return fire. This is the second violation of the cease-fire in less than 24 hours, the Indian army officer said.

The timing of the two incidents relative to the Mumbai terror attacks could prompt some Indian analysts to suspect the Pakistan Army was trying to provide a diversion. The political leaders in Islamabad have promised to assist India with its investigation and urged “restraint.”

Pakistan: The National Security Council (NSC) has been abolished, KUNA reported, citing Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani. The NSC, which was the venue for discussing internal political issues as well as national security, was created by former General Musharraf to include senior military officers in national political matters. The Council had thirteen members, which included political representatives as well as high-ranking military officers.

Gilani’s action belatedly fulfills one of many promises made during the election campaign this year. Almost all promises about returning the presidency to a ceremonial role, as prescribed by the Constitution, remain unfulfilled.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Raju » 29 Nov 2008 20:06

Why are the NSGs based only in Delhi ? If there are supposed to be say 2000 NSGs let us place 500 in each of the N/S/E/W zones for quick response.

Or is it that the NSG is only meant to protect our politicians (MSY, LPY, SG, MMS etc, ) in Delhi


As an ex dilli billi let me tell you something.

Most dilli elite take great pleasure in treating Mumbai the way they do and ignoring its security and development and leaving it like an uncared backyard. there is a fear that Mumbai will get too big for its shoes and become unmanageable from dilli if they are given too many powers and security.

Nobody has openly told me this, but this is feeling I get.

Only those in 5 sq km of Lootyens need to be protected. Even those outside this periphery are immaterial.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Sai » 29 Nov 2008 20:07

The barbarians were planning to kill 5000 people, according to Mah deputy CM.

Here's my theory: this is Al Qaeda. They wanted a spectacular strike on the lines of 9/11. US, UK and Europe having become sort of impregnable for Bin Laden and gang, they have chosen the remaining infidel nation, which also happily happens to be a soft target.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby ASPuar » 29 Nov 2008 20:07

Maxwell Pereira (IPS, retd) on TIMESNOW, downplaying the Army and pretending that the NSG is a police organisation, not mixed. Left out the bit where all the chaps who fought and died in Mumbai are armymen. Left out the fact that the operational antiterror division of the NSG (The Special Action Group) contains no police personnel, and is staffed and officered entirely by the army.

Wrote off Major Unni and Hav. Gajendra Singh as "On deputation to a police organisation".

Then complained of pay commission injustice to police forces.

I wonder what he is thinking.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby milindc » 29 Nov 2008 20:08

Rahul M wrote:
milindc wrote:Things must be really bad. Shekar Gupta is blaming the govt as soft on terror on NDTV

man, today morning I saw a (cylindrical round animal) fly.

now, vikram chandra and shekhar gupta are taking apart mani shankar aiyer with the help of tarun vijay and AA khan.

what is happening to the world !


Mani Shankar put up a semblance of resistance by hiding behind budgetary allocation and priorities of GoI. Then AA Khan said the first priority of GoI is to protect people and all the talk of budget allocation and priorities is crap. Then Mani just gave up and did GUBO, but pain was visible on his face :D

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby samuel » 29 Nov 2008 20:09

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... page-1.cms
Kasab killed Karkare, Salaskar and Kamte: Mumbai police
29 Nov 2008, 1946 hrs IST, PTI


MUMBAI: Mohammad Ajmal Mohammad Amin Kasab, the only terrorist to have been arrested in connection with the three-day terror attack, shot dead Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) chief Hemant Karkare, Mumbai police sources said here on Saturday.

They said Kasab, a Pakistani national who was remanded to police custody till December 11, also killed encounter specialist Vijay Salaskar and Additional Commissioner of Police Ashok Kamte.

The sources said ten terrorists had arrived in the city for the first time on the night of Wednesday using the sea route and then dispersed in pairs to the targeted locations.

The terrorists allegedly took taxis to their assigned locations and paid in Indian currency. "Each terrorist was carrying Rs 6,200 with them," a senior police official said.

Kasab was arrested on the night of Wednesday after his partner, whose identity is stated to be Ismail Khan, was shot dead by the police at Girgaum Chowpatty locality in south Mumbai.

Kasab and his partner had first opened fire at CST railway station and then proceeded to Cama hospital and G T Hospital, a senior police official said.

Kasab has allegedly revealed that their plan was to take hostages at the Taj hotel, Oberoi Hotel and Nariman House and then use them to escape from the city, he added.

He said the Indian financial capital was chosen keeping in mind the worldwide impact it would have.

According to a Mumbai crime branch official, the ten terrorists had not come to Mumbai before this to conduct any 'recce' and they had learnt about the locations with the help of Google Earth.

The police are still verifying as to how the blast in suburban Vile Parle and Dockyard Road in south Mumbai was executed and if the terrorist had received help from any local group.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby SwamyG » 29 Nov 2008 20:09

Why is Sharmila Tagore being interviewed on Times Now? Why is the Bollywood so sought after?
Was there any aam admi's reaction or interview?

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby sampat » 29 Nov 2008 20:10

What is the deal with news channel and all Filmi personalities?
When did they became strategists and spokesperson for indians?..

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby SriKumar » 29 Nov 2008 20:11

ramana wrote:Its time to write to the CNN about their prima donna Zain Virjee who was definitely pro terrorist. And we need to channel our power to get a voice of Indians which is not a shade of green. The shocking thing was how many talking heads for CNN were Muslim. While Hindus kids were studying to be doctors and lawyers these guys became journalists and onw the airwaves.


In the spirit of the above post, I would like to say that this should extend to desi media as well. First the CNN and the BBC: I find it atrocious that people could speculate about Hindu terror and home-grown militancy. In the spirit of calling a spade a spade, I would submit that the kindest explanation for such ignorance displayed on (inter) national TV is that they are not experts. If they actually are experts in the field and they still say what they said, I wonder if they care about all the killing that took place. (If one is truly concerned about loss of life, the first thing one tries to do is assist in finding out who did it. Any obfuscation to this process, in my book, conveys a lack of concern- note that I am not asking anyone to be concerned). And editorializing is pure opinion.

Which brings me to the second point: desi media and its level of objectivity. One really cant fault the foreign media for obfuscations if there is lot of it going on in desi media. On that note, Arnab deserves full support for calling a spade a spade.

I saw post in this thread yesterday that said something like 'If the psecs dont get Arnab, he is the one to watch'. This reveals a strange thought process. If the expectation is that the pseudo-seculars are expected to go after this reporter, why wait to see how that turns out? If indeed Arnab has done praise-worthy reporting/debating, he deserves pro-active support from people who appreciate his work. Why? Because clearly, there are very few like him and there is little point in waiting to see how that will turn out. E-mail/voice your support if indeed he deserves it.

Finally, narayanan's post above, on GOI's reaction on taking the press to task, is worthy of a second/third look. They went after one thing but not the other. 'Surya', the audio gives certain indications that some Indians (not all) can pick up on. narayanan is on the right track here. Thiru Senthil Sambathanathan Thekeparampil (excooz me n^3 I know I am mixing 2 languages here) may not figure it out, but a Verma, Sharma, Agarwal, Jaiswal, Gupta or Singh will know.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Raju » 29 Nov 2008 20:13

Times Now is just another crappy channel, owned by ToI of all people, do not put too many expectations on it.
there is no 'patriotic outlet' in India as such, it is just that Arnab exceeded himself in this very instant.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby John Snow » 29 Nov 2008 20:13

this is the kind of oieseholes jurnos and politicos rule India.

You see somebody wanted in the TV ownership to sleep with celebrity and they bring them on to TV from under the bedsheets

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Kersi D » 29 Nov 2008 20:14

Let us thank our media not withstanidng what ever goof up they may have made

I am impressed by

Barkha Dutta

Arnab Goswami

Vishnu Som

and many many other reporters and cameraman for having done a great 50+ hour work

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Sai » 29 Nov 2008 20:15

samuel wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3773792,prtpage-1.cms
Kasab killed Karkare, Salaskar and Kamte: Mumbai police
29 Nov 2008, 1946 hrs IST, PTI






The terrorists allegedly took taxis to their assigned locations and paid in Indian currency. "Each terrorist was carrying Rs 6,200 with them," a senior police official said.



At prevailing exchange rates, 100 Euros would get you exactly Rs 6200.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby sampat » 29 Nov 2008 20:16

Kersi D wrote:Let us thank our media not withstanidng what ever goof up they may have made

I am impressed by

Barkha Dutta

Arnab Goswami

Vishnu Som

and many many other reporters and cameraman for having done a great 50+ hour work



Barkha! really??

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Singha » 29 Nov 2008 20:17

in this pic of Mi17, can anyone id what is the round box attached below
the tail boom and the cheek pads on the nose?

is the thing below tail boom meant to detect and warn of approaching
missiles?

I understand the box attached to the side below engine is for flares.

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1369084,00.jpg

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Hariprasad » 29 Nov 2008 20:17

TimesNow
Sharmila Tagore aka Ayesha Sultana is spewing bs about how BJP is shameless and NSG dont have NVG :roll: . Says we should show restraint. Absolutely no inkling of TSP involvement by the panel. Prem shankar jha is asking whom should we be attacking. I guess the Amish..?
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby sunilUpa » 29 Nov 2008 20:18

^^^You got to be kidding! Burkha was upset for implicating Pakistan and it was on Vishnu's watch (anchor) NDTV first pointed out sniper positions on top of Gateway of India.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Kersi D » 29 Nov 2008 20:18

Surya wrote:Has any of arab states condemned the attack?

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Yes I ahving been thinking since quite some time.

Our Arab "friends" have not condemned the attack.

And what about Japan ? One japanese lost his life but the Japanese are quite.

And what about our Asian / Asean friends ? Malaysia ? Singapore ? Indonesia ?

poor Thailand is neck deep in shit to wotry about anybody else now

I have often liked tough situations for just one reasons

You know who your real friends are !!!!


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