Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

harik · Post by **harik** » 29 Nov 2008 22:32

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Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 29 Nov 2008 22:32

link

HATE preacher Anjem Choudary last night praised the slaughter of 125 people in Mumbai.

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 29 Nov 2008 22:33

Dont worry, I enjoy taking a stick and twirling the still waters of BR to see what floats up !!!

Sometimes WKK, sometimes closet Pakis, sometimes Cheeni lovers..

Never fails to surprise.

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Arion · Post by **Arion** » 29 Nov 2008 22:34

Sampat said:
[/quote]True, but in election season do they think people will forget it so soon? Especially, if opposition is increasing the tempo. Perhaps, thats why discrediting Modi and BJP has already started by bringing in filmi experts like sharmila and cops like mathew? who sai Who needs bloody one crore from modi. Hasn't modi been campaigning to strengthen agnecies hands by promoting for stricter anti-terrorist laws?[/quote]

About all this talk about "tougher laws" let me just say that tougher laws do not serve the purpose of strengthening this nations defence, and I am being specific about India for two reasons: First, the only reason to enact a tougher terror law is to be able to detain suspects without trial and to have them detailed for a certain period of time without access to due process of law. Also, a tougher terror law serves the purpose of granting police stop and search rights against the man on the street. A tougher terror law can be drafted to authorise torture as well in the most extreme circumstances, although it is doubtful that this would be put in black and white as it would be against India's international "treaty obligations" and would not be viewed as a stand that should be taken by a progressive democracy.

Secondly, please look back at each of things I have said above. Which of these does not already happen in India, which of these is not already a right accessed by our police forces? With the exception of number 1, none of the above is refrained from by our police forces (whether with or without legal authorisation), and the first one too, and I have experienced this from close quarters, becomes a mere procedural formality when a suspect is presented before a magistrate for the extension of his/her custody on the grounds of being a "person of interest" by the police.

Stop and search and torture ofcourse are grim realities of the Indian police state. My question is, how have these powers that already in exercise, improved India's battle against terror? The answer quite simply is they haven't. And neither will putting such powers on paper.

The need of the hour isn't knee jerk legislation, it is the implementation of a several pronged strategy against terror. Be it better trained police and intelligence units (a shocking statistic in the paper today actually shows how little we spend on police training in our country, as little as rs 50 a year in a state like himachal per policeman and a maximum of about rupees 6000), be it something as basic as better equipment (a certain handheld x-ray device used by agencies in the United states would have served well our brave commandos within the stone and wood interiors of these buildings), or even an amendment of the constitution making government servants accountable and limitedly influenced by political influence. It is important to see that the US path against terror isn't the best way to go about solving our own problems or the problems of the world, the Americans have made the world more dangerous in eight years than it ever was before.

Lets not be divided by ideology today, lets sit down together as one nation and discern the best course of action, our course of action, not a copycat path that has already caused so much turmoil in the world.

Lets also remember that these people are extremists, radicals, remorseless psychopaths..lets not follow them down the same path.

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 29 Nov 2008 22:34

One thing I am worried about: is it possible that some of the piglets escaped by pretending to be hotel guests (not difficult if they already had bookings), and are back in city?

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 29 Nov 2008 22:35

This posted?

Pak may relocate 100,000 army personnel to border

Pakistan may relocate around 100,000 military personnel from its restive border area with Afghanistan if there is an escalation in tension with India,which has hinted at the involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai carnage, a media report said today.

Private channel Geo News reported that Pakistan's military and intelligence sources told a select group of journalists today that NATO and American command had been told

that Islamabad [Images] would be forced to relocate its military from the borders with Afghanistan if there is escalation in tension with India, where nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks on the Indian financial capital.

"These sources have said NATO and the US command have been told that Pakistan would not be able to concentrate on the war on terror and against militants around the Afghanistan border as defending its borders with India was far moreimportant," Geo News quoted senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir as saying.

He also said the sources had briefed the media that the decision not to send the ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha to India was taken after Indian foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee used a very aggressive tone with Pakistani officials on telephone after the Mumbai attacks.

"The decision to not send the ISI DG to India was taken because Mukherjee used strong words with Pakistani officials and warned of consequences," Mir quoted the military sources as saying.

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Nov 2008 22:35

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milindc · Post by **milindc** » 29 Nov 2008 22:36

Nayak wrote:The DGP Mumbai is a pathetic professional liar. He promises a lost. They have truly put the image of Mah Police in mud.

Yes, all jingoism/dadagiri in front of the camera, as if the public will fall for it. Everybody knows who pulled the chestnuts out of the fire. It was the army/nsg/marcos.

He, AN Roy, came across as Baghdad Bob.. About 15 times he gave quotes that Taj/Oberio is clear, but everytime it was wrong.

arun_nair · Post by **arun_nair** » 29 Nov 2008 22:38

Had a question related to the gear worn by the NSG commandos.It seemed the head gear they were wearing were quite different. Some guys had a helmet shaped more like motorcycle helmet and some had helmets which looked as if made of steel.. Doesnt seem like Kevlar..Do correct me if i am wrong

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 22:38

adityaS wrote:One thing I am worried about: is it possible that some of the piglets escaped by pretending to be hotel guests (not difficult if they already had bookings), and are back in city?

There is a possibility when they have come into Mumbai many times to plan the attack.
Key is to find all their contacts in Mumbai.

See the movie - INSIDE MAN

sum · Post by **sum** » 29 Nov 2008 22:40

Pakistan may relocate around 100,000 military personnel from its restive border area with Afghanistan if there is an escalation in tension with India,which has hinted at the involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai carnage, a media report said today.

Private channel Geo News reported that Pakistan's military and intelligence sources told a select group of journalists today that NATO and American command had been told

that Islamabad [Images] would be forced to relocate its military from the borders with Afghanistan if there is escalation in tension with India, where nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks on the Indian financial capital.

The Pakis really have the Indians and the Amrikis by the b@lls....they will keep doing this drama for the next 10000 years after every successful strike on their nemesis. Since our govts do not have any spine to undo this blackmail by calling their bluff, we are condemned to pray daily to return home safe from the next strike.

One thing I am worried about: is it possible that some of the piglets escaped by pretending to be hotel guests (not difficult if they already had bookings), and are back in city?
One thing I am worried about: is it possible that some of the piglets escaped by pretending to be hotel guests (not difficult if they already had bookings), and are back in city?

Unless the GoI/agencies have caught hold of many/supressing the death of few more jihadis for operational purposes, it seem 100% sure that many more piglets are crtainly loose in the city. I have a hunch(hope its untrue though) that more than 12 came to the city and are biding their time in some safehouses.

adityaS · Post by **adityaS** » 29 Nov 2008 22:41

That is actually a very good movie (Clive Owen is fun) - but bad situation for us

I saw the crowd gathering outside the hotel, and in that kind of mess anything is possible

munna · Post by **munna** » 29 Nov 2008 22:43

Amitabh wrote:
Nayak wrote:We need Modi. That man is our hope and saviour.
Right, he really showed "leadership" by parachuting in while operations were still on and criticising the government for ignoring his intelligence alerts. When the nation is crying for unity of purpose.

What else is he supposed to do felicitate the central and the state government for making our financial capital a war zone? He has been crusading for better internal security and his alleged over zealous appearance in Mumbai cant take that credit away from him.

SureshP · Post by **SureshP** » 29 Nov 2008 22:44

Gilani feeling the heat

PM Gilani contacts political leadership of Pakistan
Updated at: 2200 PST, Saturday, November 29, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has started contacting the political leaders of Pakistan following the violent incidents in Mumbai.

The Premier has said it is the need of the time to forge unity for a greater cause of protecting country’s sovereignty by rising above party politics and personal interests.

He telephoned PML-N Chief Nawaz Sharif, PML-Q President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, MQM Chief Altaf Hussain, ANP Chief Asfandyar Wali, JUI Chief Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, President PML-N Shahbaz Sharif, Amir JI Qazi Hussain Ahmed, leader Pukhtoonkhwa Mili Awami Party Mehmood Khan Achakzai, PML (F) Chief Pir Pagara, Tehreek-i-Insaf Chief Imran Khan and leader of PPP (Sherpao) Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao.

The Prime Minister also contacted Aitzaz Ahsan, Abdul Hai Baloch, Air Marshal Asghar Khan and Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi.

All the political leaders assured of their full cooperation to the Premier.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=61315

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 29 Nov 2008 22:45

Surya wrote: Akbar and Raman were gently putting facts but this twit in his Lahori English kept saying that is no evidence (dawood), gives the example of "your Colonel" etc. Why are we letting these jackasses air time????

This has become pet line for all the Pakis, liberal with Hindu sounding names e.t.c.
I think sooner the court gives verdict the better. I am sure they will still say that court was biased, but still many of them will think twice before opening their mouth.

Raj Malhotra · Post by **Raj Malhotra** » 29 Nov 2008 22:45

Tamang wrote:This posted?

Pak may relocate 100,000 army personnel to border

Pakistan may relocate around 100,000 military personnel from its restive border area with Afghanistan if there is an escalation in tension with India,which has hinted at the involvement of Pakistani elements in the Mumbai carnage, a media report said today.

Private channel Geo News reported that Pakistan's military and intelligence sources told a select group of journalists today that NATO and American command had been told

that Islamabad [Images] would be forced to relocate its military from the borders with Afghanistan if there is escalation in tension with India, where nearly 200 people were killed in the multiple terror attacks on the Indian financial capital.

"These sources have said NATO and the US command have been told that Pakistan would not be able to concentrate on the war on terror and against militants around the Afghanistan border as defending its borders with India was far moreimportant," Geo News quoted senior Pakistani journalist Hamid Mir as saying.

He also said the sources had briefed the media that the decision not to send the ISI chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha to India was taken after Indian foreign minister Pranab Mukherjee used a very aggressive tone with Pakistani officials on telephone after the Mumbai attacks.

"The decision to not send the ISI DG to India was taken because Mukherjee used strong words with Pakistani officials and warned of consequences," Mir quoted the military sources as saying.

I think we should meet this challenge/blackmail. Force Pakistan to move troops to Indian border and then increase fireworks on Pakistan North west borders.

Dialing MMS-RAW -----? Is anybody awake ????

faraz · Post by **faraz** » 29 Nov 2008 22:45

Admin, I remember this HariK guy. Can we ban this Porki ?

Shoo, shoo, Porki HariK...Go back to your Madarsa or gutter or sty wherever you come from !

Admins Zindabad !

SK Mody · Post by **SK Mody** » 29 Nov 2008 22:47

Acharya wrote:
SK Mody wrote:Posting daily summary of events from AFCEA:
Can you get the report where 48 hrs before the first attack on Mumbai - PM Zardari had made remarks saying that Kashmir is no longer an issue for Pakistan.

Couldn't find anything on AFCEA nightwatch but posting paki related articles over past week there.

18/11
Voting in the first phase of the state elections in Jammu and Kashmir State featured a 64% turnout in the Kashmir Valley, then most important electoral region. Kashmiris defied militant separatist threats and calls for a boycott. Authorities reported a few minor scuffles.

19/11
India-Gulf of Aden: The frigate INS Tabar sank a pirate mothership off Oman on 19 November after the ship failed to respond to a warning shot and crewmen trained weapons on the Indian ship. Rather than wait to be attacked, the Indians sank it. That gives the Indian Navy three successes against pirates in the past week, compared to one for a British and the Russian frigates working together. Late reporting indicates the Germany Navy also now has two rescues to its credit. The use of more aggressive tactics appears to be glacially infectious, in some navies at least.

Feedback from a well-informed reader confirmed that the Indian Navy still follows old fashioned rules of naval engagement that authorize the ship captain to decide how to perform the mission. The Navy orders the captain to stop piracy and so he does. The ship goes out and does its mission; the commanding officer is given the authority he needs to do it. Some westerners consider the Indians to be relative rogues because they do not cooperate well with the more risk averse Europeans, but the Indians are taking the fight to the pirates, not just escorting ships. That is tonight’s good news.

Note: BBC published an excellent photo of INS Tabar today. The accompanying article was mediocre.

Pakistan: Speaking to a meeting of NATO defense ministers in Brussels, Chief of the Army Staff General Ashfaq Kayani said today that a military solution is not possible in Afghanistan. He suggested that the campaign against the Taliban should be resolved at the regional level instead, Pakistan's GEO TV reported.

According to a press statement, Pakistani Taliban promised to not attack the Pakistan Army in retaliation for the US drone attacks in Pakistan. The latest drone attack reportedly killed a major Arab al Qaida operative, who was among six persons killed overnight in a missile strike in Bannu District, a senior security official told AFP on Wednesday.

Pakistani security sources identified the al Qaida terrorist as Abdullah Azam Al-Saudi, who they said US intelligence officials had identified as the main link between al Qaida’s leaders and the Taliban. “He was the man coordinating between al Qaida and Taliban commanders on this side of the border, and also involved in recruiting and training fighters,” an Islamabad-based senior security official told Agence France-Presse.

The Associated Press reported remarks from two other intelligence officials based in Bannu who said that the Taliban had begun moving away from the Afghan border, including districts and other settled areas, in an apparent bid to avoid the missile strikes.

The significance of this attack, according to the Daily Times, is that it was the first US drone and missile attack outside of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas that border Afghanistan. Bannu District is eastward of the FATA. This represents an expansion of the US operating area into Pakistan proper. The tribal areas are self-governing, semi-independent entities that are not subject to the National Assembly in Islamabad. Bannu District, however, is part of North West Frontier Province and is bound by the national legislature. This attack revives the claim that there are no limits to the targets in Pakistan, if intelligence asserts the target is an al Qaida operative.

20/11
India: Clarification. "INS Tabar encountered a pirate vessel south west of Oman with two speedboats in tow. This vessel was similar in description to the 'mother vessel' mentioned in various piracy bulletins. INS Tabar closed in on the vessel and asked her to stop for investigation," Indian Navy spokesperson Commander Nirad Sinha said. The Economic Times version said, “The pirates’ mother ship had 20 pirates on board and two speed boats in tow. …This pirate vessel was similar in description to the ‘Mother Vessel’ mentioned in various piracy bulletins. INS Tabar closed in on the vessel and asked her to stop for investigation,” a Navy spokesperson said.

The Indian Navy has been a bit evasive about the type of ship it sank, except to note INS Tabar sank it using a modern gatling gun, which suggests it probably was a dhow.

Today a Navy official disclosed the Navy plans to relieve INS Tabar with a Delhi-class guided missile destroyer, INS Mysore. Mysore is a 6,500-ton heavily armed ship, the largest class now being built in Indian yards.

Pakistan: Prime Minister Gilani condemned as "intolerable" U.S. missile strikes on Pakistani territory, Pakistani media reported. Speaking to the National Assembly, Gilani called the attacks "counterproductive" and said there is no understanding between Pakistan and the United States about the strikes.

Pakistan's national security adviser is in contact with United States to express the Pakistani government and people's concern over the attacks, Gilani added. He said he is sure "such actions will be controlled" once U.S. President-elect Barack Obama takes office. Pakistani Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Malik Ammad Khan said a strong protest has been lodged with the U.S. Ambassador who was summoned to the Foreign Ministry today over the 19 November missile strike in Bannu district.

Afghanistan: The Taliban claimed today they captured a US “base” in Khost Province, which borders Pakistan, and forced the US soldiers to retreat. NATO and government authorities confirmed an attack on a forward operating base but said two US soldiers were wounded. Taliban did not capture a base. Still the attack is daring and unusual.

Taliban attacks against NATO patrols and supply convoys are frequent, but direct attacks against NATO outposts are not. In the past week, Taliban also attacked German, French and Canadian outposts. This represents an unusual focus on NATO that is not year clear.

21/11

Pakistan: The government is launching a diplomatic initiative to build an international alliance that will pressure the United States to end missile strikes in Pakistani territory, regional news agencies reported today, citing high-level government sources. According to the state-owned Associated Press of Pakistan, government officials will contact the European Union, China, Arab states and other countries with influence in international affairs, asking them to convey the same message to Washington that the Pakistani government has delivered to NATO.

Pakistani senior officials have insisted that drone strikes have killed more than 50 people since September; are driving support toward militants in the tribal belt and hurting the campaign to weaken them. Some US officials apparently still think the Pakistani complaints are part of the ruse – the cover story for public consumption. However, a campaign to enlist the aid of other nations to restrain the US means Pakistan no longer considers the US an ally. That is dangerous ground.

In an e-mail to a US news outlet, a spokesman for the NATO commander in Afghanistan said that while “unmanned aerial vehicles operating within the borders of Afghanistan may fall under his command … anything in Pakistan would not come under his command.” The meaning the statement is that the NATO Commander publicly blamed CIA for the drone attacks inside Pakistan. That raises the question about who oversees the CIA operations.

Pakistani military officials announced today that tests of a surface-to-air missile capable of destroying unmanned aerial vehicles were successful, Bloomberg reported. A statement on the Pakistan Army’s Web site said the Army air defense "demonstrated their shooting skills" during exercises that successfully shot down unmanned aerial vehicles at various altitudes. The exercise took place in western Punjab Province in Muzaffagarh District, according to Dawn. What would the US do if several drones were shot down by the Pakistan Army? Events seem to be moving in that direction.

22/11
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23/11
Afghanistan: Taliban fighters plan to increase attacks on U.S. and NATO supply convoys in Afghanistan, Al Jazeera reported Nov. 23, citing a Taliban spokesman. The Taliban plan to step up attacks on convoys "until the government and the Americans are smashed," the spokesman said. The al Jazeera version of the story is that the Taliban intend to cut road access to Kabul.

This year convoy attacks have become the second most effective tactic after improvised bombs. Often the drivers and their civilian guards run away. Use of NATO soldiers in convoy protection reduces their availability for combat duty.

24/11

Pakistan: The Pakistani government has shut down a branch of its General Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) that detractors claim was part of an operation for destabilizing civilian governments, Bloomberg and other news services reported, citing Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. The ISI will now focus on counterterrorism, said Qureshi.

The announcement is good propaganda but hard to accept at face value. One report suggests the political wing was reassigned, rather than disbanded.

25/11

Pakistan: Today, a senior security official denied Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi's statement that the political section of Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) had been closed, Asian News International reported. The official said that the political section of the ISI still existed, although it had been made "inactive."

This statement is hardly good news, but it showcases the fractiousness of Pakistan’s national security establishment. ISI hard line professionals are at war with the elected government which thus far has shown it has no capability to clean ISI’s house. Musharraf’s old timers and the pro-fundamentalists need to be dismissed once and for all. They work to subvert the elected government.

Pakistan's air force is capable of stopping the flights of unmanned drones and missile strikes into its territory from Afghanistan, Pakistani air force Chief Marshall Tanvir Mahmood told Geo News today. Mahmood was quoted by Reuters as saying the decision is up to Islamabad whether the drone flights can be dealt with "diplomatically and politically" or whether they will require a military response.

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 29 Nov 2008 22:50

Amitabh wrote:
Nayak wrote:We need Modi. That man is our hope and saviour.
Right, he really showed "leadership" by parachuting in while operations were still on and criticising the government for ignoring his intelligence alerts. When the nation is crying for unity of purpose.

Just exactly what did he say? Can you quote him so that I can judge for myself?

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 29 Nov 2008 22:51

Amitabh wrote:
Nayak wrote:We need Modi. That man is our hope and saviour.
Right, he really showed "leadership" by parachuting in while operations were still on and criticising the government for ignoring his intelligence alerts. When the nation is crying for unity of purpose.

I don't think any one in right mind would like share dais with UPA leaders. No need to show unity with them.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Nov 2008 22:52

Good, call their bluff. Make Pakistan put its forces on the border with India.

One of two things will happen - either things will remain the same on the Afghan border - in which case the uselessness of Paki forces over there will be exposed; or things will get worse, in which case US-Pak relations will suffer. My expectation is really that the former will happen.

India is the aggrieved party and must kick up sufficient row that its pound of flesh is extracted one way or the other from Pakistan. Absolutely no taking it on the chin for Uncle Sam.

If the US wants Pakistani forces to be concentrated on the Afghan border, they will just have to make sure that no more Paki attacks on India happen.

harik · Post by **harik** » 29 Nov 2008 22:52

{But you have proved nothing except that posting an utterly inane and useless post and wasting bandwidth. Post facts or logic, I'll be fair and give you 10 minutes... starting now. Ppl have been warned far more than enough times what will happen if they just come in and start attacking a postor who posts something that may sound like it disagrees with their own stupid superstitions. OK. 10 minutes. Starting NOW.}[/quote]

What is the topic of the thread . what was the comment by the said poster ?
One cld have posted acts of other politicos .. but that was not the point. Maybe that shld have kept in mind the mind by the poster.

Perhaps I replied a snide post with a similar one.

{The postor was merely responding to a post supporting a particular politician, by pointing out a fact - that said politician attacked the govt with a claim of having provided intel, at a time when the postor thought he should have supported the govt or kept quiet. OK, you had way more than the 10 minutes, and you have no point to make - just a lot of gasbag insolence. I am deleting your stupid post above, and asking you to consider carefully b4 posting stuff that just make u look stupid. See demand 4 ur ban by someone else above.}.

Sai · Post by **Sai** » 29 Nov 2008 22:53

This is what I found:

"Modi blames Pakistan for Mumbai terror attack"

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 768247.cms

It seems grotesque to demonize him for speaking what is on everyone's mind. Why was it wrong to point the finger at Pakistan?
{ I think it's fine what Mr. Modi said. Feel free to contradict and refute Mr. Amitabh any time, with my best wishes.

But NOT to attack him}

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 23:00

If the Business community does not come forward to change the policy of the govt
then nothing will.

http://ratevin.com/story.php?title=Suni ... ar_Carnage

Sunil Parekh Mumbai Attack Top Professionals Businessmen Killed In Five Star Carnage

As the smoke cleared from the two south Mumbai hotels and the commandos secured these properties, friends and family were confronted with the
painful task of identifying the dead. While the Taj hotel's casualty list is still not available, the names that emerged from the Oberoi confirmed people's worst fears. The list included well-known names from Mumbai's business
and social circles.

Yes Bank's non-executive chairman and co-promoter Ashok Kapur, businessman Sunil Parekh, developer Pankaj Shah and solicitor Anand Bhattwere among those found dead at the Oberoi. Kapur's body was found on the 19th floor of the hotel on Friday evening. He had gone for dinner to the hotel with his wife Madhu, who managed to escape. Kapur owned a 34% stake in Yes Bank along with the bank's MD & CEO Rana Kapoor.

Sunil Parekh, a businessman with shipping interests, and his wife Reshma, were also among those killed at Tiffin, the coffee shop at The Oberoi. Uma Garg, wife of Ispat Industries' executive director (commercial) Vinod Garg, was found dead on the 19th floor. She had come for a dinner meet with her husband and a team of foreign clients. Vinod Garg, however, managed to escape on Thursday.

Shah and Bhatt were dining with another developer, Apoorva Parekh, at the Kandahar restaurant in the hotel. Parekh survived, but has been admitted to the Breach Candy hospital with several bullet injuries. Solicitor Bhatt, who was at the same dinner, is a senior partner with Mumbai-based law firm Wadia Gandhy. He was admired in legal circles for almost single-handedly, and quite democratically, bringing the law firm out of a slump.

Tamang · Post by **Tamang** » 29 Nov 2008 23:01

sum wrote:The Pakis really have the Indians and the Amrikis by the b@lls....they will keep doing this drama for the next 10000 years after every successful strike on their nemesis. Since our govts do not have any spine to undo this blackmail by calling their bluff, we are condemned to pray daily to return home safe from the next strike.

Pakis do not have us by b@lls, if there is anyone who has us by b@lls it is us overselves (political leadership). Is there anything that we (PL) lack to smash them to pieces except the WILL?

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 29 Nov 2008 23:01

Kersi D wrote:
Nayak wrote:Why is there a silence from the politicos/HFLs/WKK/Amnesty/HR ?
Why is there silences from

Mulayam Singh Yadav

Laloo Prasad yadav

The Thakeray Family

Jairam Ramesh

etc.

Normally these gentlemen will give their wise comments on any subject ranging from the condition of ladies toilets in Afghanistan to how innocent young neighbouring Muslim boys were killed when they came to visit India.

Nayak
HR, Amnesty etc are the euphemism to protect the "Pigsful Religion". Since I am in DC for another 6 months, I was stopped by Amnesty Intl girl at Rosslyn metro asking me to join Amnesty and help remove injustice against "innocent people held up in Gitmo". Unfortunately it was when this saga started in Mumbai, I asked her a simple question what does she think, these relatives of gitmo are doing in mumbai, she had no idea, I advised her to go in the liquor store few yards away and see whats going on, after about 5 minutes of watching events unfolding, I asked her what she thought, she had no answer. I did rip her a new one and told her to go join some mosque and become one of the beloved wives of piglets.
Answer to KersiD
You have to wait for few months before you will see their true colors. Right now they don't want to lose their votes when nerves are raw. Mulayam Singh Yadav vote bank is rock solid, he will always be elected with muslim vote, he is living upto the meaning of his name--mulayam, we all know what that means in hindi. Thackrey family will always be alive and keep going on with their rant how Non Mumbarikars are destroying Mumbai. To answer them---We non mumbarikars have grown up from our regional biases and started to love this nation as one, we don't see it in segment of one ethnicity or belief. That is why Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan, Gajraj Singh and others laid down their lives to protect this nation and her citizens. Thackrey family should carefully watch their steps while walking Indian Roads, they are full of pot holes and some pot holes are deeper than others.

People have short memories in about 6 months everything will be forgotten things will return to normal. Thats the time when elections will be coming, Congress and Yadavs will appease muslims again to get votes, patils will still change their clothes 3 times a day to project immaculate image. Kapil sibal will keep talking to Barkha Dutt never answering questions but always confusing the issue. Barkha dutt will still secretly desire to be a paki and overtly a paki sympathiser. In the end nothing will change things will remain the same till next time something worse happens--all the jingoism will come out that will die down over time. BJP wants to play this horrific event to get in power--lets ask Mr. Advani what did they do when they were in power, Jaswant singh accompanied the same terrorists to kandhar..how humiliating that can be. The seed for this disaster was sowed by Gandhi Khandaan, monster created by VP Singh, it was given a life line by BJP, Nurtured by yadav's, upa, cpi etc. This nation is saved by young and brave over and over again, her citizens bear the brunt while all these netas are living in comfort and safety of three tier security ring. Every neta worth his vote wants to become prime minister for history books nobody wants to become a leader to lead this nation.

shyamd · Post by **shyamd** » 29 Nov 2008 23:02

A recurring name is that of Maulana Abdul Bari, an Indian based in Saudi Arabia who is the suspected bankroller of the assault

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 29 Nov 2008 23:04

Context: In New York City (Long Island, actually) a Walmart employee was trampled to death by a mob of shoppers.

The bitterness runs deep. Comment picked up from another forum, posted by a patriotic American:

Two cities. Financial hubs of their respective democracies. Two huge democracies.

In one city, a man is injured and arrested during a terrorist attack. He has killed high ranking police. He is questioned, and gives up information, he is arraigned in court the next day, showing no signs of beatings or maltreatment.

In one city, shoppers seeking an early morning discount tear the door to the store off its hinges and trample a man to death. When asked to clear the area, they get angry and yell about how long they have been waiting to shop.

USA!USA! way to go.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 29 Nov 2008 23:06

Nayak wrote:Most of the cops look unfit and fat. Are they trained to fire that .303 ?

Sagarika Ghose says that Karkarey was disturbed by the Malegaon allegations hence did not take proper precautions and he got killed.

It was very unfortunate that he got killed even without getting a chance to fight.
I think he was killed in ambush, thats what one of the TV was reporting. Instantly after his death I knew that these anti India channel will resume its Malegaon propaganda hiding behind his sacrifice.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 29 Nov 2008 23:07

Has anybody noticed that VP Singh died. Not much attention. His govt was the first one
to give in to terrorist with his Home Minister Mufti

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 29 Nov 2008 23:08

SureshP wrote:Gilani feeling the heat

PM Gilani contacts political leadership of Pakistan
Updated at: 2200 PST, Saturday, November 29, 2008
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has started contacting the political leaders of Pakistan following the violent incidents in Mumbai.

The Premier has said it is the need of the time to forge unity for a greater cause of protecting country’s sovereignty by rising above party politics and personal interests.

He telephoned PML-N Chief Nawaz Sharif, PML-Q President Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, MQM Chief Altaf Hussain, ANP Chief Asfandyar Wali, JUI Chief Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman, President PML-N Shahbaz Sharif, Amir JI Qazi Hussain Ahmed, leader Pukhtoonkhwa Mili Awami Party Mehmood Khan Achakzai, PML (F) Chief Pir Pagara, Tehreek-i-Insaf Chief Imran Khan and leader of PPP (Sherpao) Aftab Ahmed Khan Sherpao.

The Prime Minister also contacted Aitzaz Ahsan, Abdul Hai Baloch, Air Marshal Asghar Khan and Ghulam Mustafa Jatoi.

All the political leaders assured of their full cooperation to the Premier.
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/updates.asp?id=61315

Suresh
He is not feeling the heat, this meeting sounds like is all about trying to find out how could this blow up in our face, shall we prepare for war, how could we appease amreeka to lighten up heat and put pressure on india not to go for war. How can we save face, get away with murder.

ukhrul · Post by **ukhrul** » 29 Nov 2008 23:09

Hello, My Brothers-in-Arms,

I was closely followed the news, one line still rings in my head, when Hemant Karkare fell, the news reporter read, "three well aimed bullets at his chest took his life".

I have three questions coming in my mind.

1) When he led the ATS team, why was not he updated by anyone about the weapons the terrorists were carrying.

2)Were the terrorists informed in advance about his arrival, I do not think AK 47 is a very good weapon to snipe.

3)The team which had hit upon something big in the Malegaon probe, is entirely wiped out, maybe we will never know how much and what they really found out. I have particularly grave concerns in this area, because these unheard organization is suddenly getting logistic support ( only from a rogue Army Intellegence officer? ).

The NSG was called in nine hours after the onset of the mayhem, why? During the IC 814 hijack, the Army commandoes were prepared to stop the aircraft in Chandigarh airport, yet no order came forth.

If we go back to last year, when the Army was about to wipe out the entire 28th batallion of ULFA in Assam, it was ordered to halt.

Gentlemen, who is the rot inside, we have find out fast.

May we uphold the vision for the ATS and NSG martyrs, let us not stray from our focus to eradicate the menace.

Jai Hind!

Ukhrul.

Baljeet · Post by **Baljeet** » 29 Nov 2008 23:11

Acharya wrote:Has anybody noticed that VP Singh died. Not much attention. His govt was the first one
to give in to terrorist with his Home Minister Mufti

Acharya
I noticed he died. Didn't he have stomach cancer. Cancer in any form is very painful. Like they say your life gets flashed before you die.

p_shetty · Post by **p_shetty** » 29 Nov 2008 23:13

Both the HM's R.R.Patil and Shivraj Patil need to be fired.

Reasons-
1> R.R.Patil when asked if it was an intelligence failure, says,
"It is a minor incident and we do not have specific intelligence"
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/29m ... cident.htm

2> Shivraj Patil is a muppet. He kept giving information like the NSG teams have left Delhi at 1.45 on live television. For once can't he shut up till the job is done.

The delay in requisitioning the MARCOS could have provided fatal for a number of hostages.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Nov 2008 23:15

Amitabh wrote:
Nayak wrote:We need Modi. That man is our hope and saviour.
Right, he really showed "leadership" by parachuting in while operations were still on and criticising the government for ignoring his intelligence alerts. When the nation is crying for unity of purpose.

Oh really, and what united "purpose" are "they" crying out for?

Launching a motivated anti-Hindu witch hunt that baselessly smears army officers with distinguished service records, so as to consolidate Muslim votes for the Italian National Congress?

Sending our security agencies on wild goose chases after concocted phantasms of "Hindu Terrorism", which occupied 90% of the ATS' time and resources in those weeks while these Muslims prepared to do what they do best?

Using the institutions that safeguard our national security as private mafiosi for the intimidation and denigration of those few Hindus who dare to stand up against predatory missionary activity?

Or standing around mumbling indecisive, unintelligible nonsense, waiting on the instructions of foreign masters before taking any sort of decision that required a vertebral column, even as score upon score of Indian citizens were snuffed out like flies for the terribly un-secular misdemeanour of being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Which "purpose" of the current extra-constitutional despotism (hardly appropriate to dignify with the term "government") should Modi have rallied to? Hard to pick which one of them most profoundly inspires the nation to cry out for unity.

Lest any admin chastise me for "politicizing" this... damn right I'm politicizing it. My life, and the lives of my family, and the well-being of my fellow Hindus depends on my politicizing it, with everything I've got. This is it, boss. This is the time. The Italian National Congress needs to be consigned irrevocably to the garbage-heap of history. There is the ballot box, opening to the public in six-odd months. If it fails us, there is the lamp-post too. I'd hate to see my country, with its fine constitution and proud democratic traditions, reduced to having to use the lamp-post... but when it comes down to safeguarding our lives, and the lives of our loved ones, anything at all is preferable to the continuation of this Tyranny by Maino-rity.

harik · Post by **harik** » 29 Nov 2008 23:17

Baljeet wrote:
Acharya wrote:Has anybody noticed that VP Singh died. Not much attention. His govt was the first one
to give in to terrorist with his Home Minister Mufti
Acharya
I noticed he died. Didn't he have stomach cancer. Cancer in any form is very painful. Like they say your life gets flashed before you die.

Blood cancer , I posted abt it w/o comments.

p_shetty · Post by **p_shetty** » 29 Nov 2008 23:17

1) When he led the ATS team, why was not he updated by anyone about the weapons the terrorists were carrying.
He was ambushed while on his way to Cama hospital in his car with his colleagues. The most battle rugged commandos can fall prey for that.

2)Were the terrorists informed in advance about his arrival, I do not think AK 47 is a very good weapon to snipe.
It is a spray and pray weapon but at close quarters it is deadly.

3)The team which had hit upon something big in the Malegaon probe, is entirely wiped out, maybe we will never know how much and what they really found out. I have particularly grave concerns in this area, because these unheard organization is suddenly getting logistic support ( only from a rogue Army Intellegence officer? )
It is a different probe and only in its preliminary stages.

harik · Post by **harik** » 29 Nov 2008 23:19

ukhrul wrote:Hello, My Brothers-in-Arms,

I was closely followed the news, one line still rings in my head, when Hemant Karkare fell, the news reporter read, "three well aimed bullets at his chest took his life".

I have three questions coming in my mind.

1) When he led the ATS team, why was not he updated by anyone about the weapons the terrorists were carrying.

2)Were the terrorists informed in advance about his arrival, I do not think AK 47 is a very good weapon to snipe.

3)The team which had hit upon something big in the Malegaon probe, is entirely wiped out, maybe we will never know how much and what they really found out. I have particularly grave concerns in this area, because these unheard organization is suddenly getting logistic support ( only from a rogue Army Intellegence officer? ).

The NSG was called in nine hours after the onset of the mayhem, why? During the IC 814 hijack, the Army commandoes were prepared to stop the aircraft in Chandigarh airport, yet no order came forth.

If we go back to last year, when the Army was about to wipe out the entire 28th batallion of ULFA in Assam, it was ordered to halt.

Gentlemen, who is the rot inside, we have find out fast.

May we uphold the vision for the ATS and NSG martyrs, let us not stray from our focus to eradicate the menace.

Jai Hind!

Ukhrul.

If it matters

> 3)The team which had hit upon something big in the Malegaon probe, is entirely wiped out, maybe we will never know how much and what they really found out. I have particularly grave concerns in this area, because these unheard organization is suddenly getting logistic support ( only from a rogue Army Intellegence officer? ).

Investigation was taken up by Dilip Rao DCP .
ATS is now commanded by Mr Rahunavnshi if I am not wrong.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 29 Nov 2008 23:22

littlesavage, whose question are you answering. Who raised these stupid and misleading question?
Never mind I see the answer.

Thanks,

gashish · Post by **gashish** » 29 Nov 2008 23:27

04:37 PM: Missing journalist Sabina Sakia found dead at the devastated sixth floor of Taj Hotel.

..in the heat of the moment..i too believed the "rumour of ToI editor" that was floating around.
Condolences to Sabina's family!