Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shynee » 30 Nov 2008 07:31

Sorry, too late. See, Hindu Terrorists are also part of the attack. :LOL

chalam wrote:
anishns wrote:The guy on the phone with India TV was Shardulla right?


Bhailog

the name is not shaardula, that's a 16 anaa hindu name. it's sahadullah.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby svinayak » 30 Nov 2008 07:32

Terrorists Used Vermillion, Religious Thread

Mumbai, November 29 (PTI)
Hindu religious thread on militants' wrist? Terrorists, who carried out the most audacious attack, tied the threads and applied vermillion on their foreheads to pass off as locals in case they were intercepted by Indian naval forces.

After murdering four fishermen onboard a trawler in the Arabian sea, the militants saw that the boat had several things including a "mauli" (religious thread used in Hindu religion), official sources said.

An arrested militant Ajmal Amin told the interrogators that when their hijacked fishing boat was approaching the Indian shores, they saw some Navy men.

Immediately, they tied the threads and some of them even put on vermilion to look like Hindus, the sources quoting the arrested militant said.


However, the militants managed to docked at Sasool in Cuff Parade from where they reached Gateway of India to carry out the attacks and were not intercepted by the naval forces.

The fishermen, while going out fishing in high seas, usually carry things to perform prayers.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Singha » 30 Nov 2008 07:33

anishns, I was not referring to thackeray sahibs but the CM of Guj.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shaardula » 30 Nov 2008 07:35

narayanan wrote:We need a clear list. There were three other names: (corrected to Suarullah), Imran, and Imran-Something. All presumably pest-e-sha'eed.


i am offended that the great professor of the kufr bhaasha has reduced a proud symbol of vatapi to that of a piglet.

i stand by the symbol of > 1300 years of proud tradition that fought the pigs under the symbol of shaardula and varaha. YOU correct your mistake. :twisted: :rotfl:
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby enqyoob » 30 Nov 2008 07:36

Aiyyoooooo! My abject apologies onlee! :oops: :cry:

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby anishns » 30 Nov 2008 07:39

Sorry Shaardula sir!
I have edited my post!

Ram Ram :P

shaardula wrote:
narayanan wrote:We need a clear list. There were three other names: (corrected to Suarullah), Imran, and Imran-Something. All presumably pest-e-sha'eed.


i am offended that the great professor of the kufr bhaasha has reduced a proud symbol of vatapi to that of a piglet.

i stand by the symbol of > 1300 years of proud tradition that fought the pigs under the symbol of shaardula and varaha. YOU correct your mistake. :twisted: :rotfl:

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby fanne » 30 Nov 2008 07:41

This is no political forum, but just to make distinction, Shiv Sena (and hence Bal Thackrey) had no role to play in this recent anti-North Indian riots. It was mainly work of Raj Thackrey and his party MNS. Arun Jaitley of BJP has gone on record (rediff chat) to say that MNS is a congress/ncp plant to divide Shive sena vote. Of late, (and root cause why we have this Mumbai Tragedy and this thread), one party has decided to do poltics of 80s pitting one community against other (Gujjar, MNS, Amarnath, Khadmal etc etc, appeasing one community at expense of national security (that is a first, no other PM did thatbefore).

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby svinayak » 30 Nov 2008 07:43

Terrorists Used Vermillion, Religious Thread

Mumbai, November 29 (PTI)
Hindu religious thread on militants' wrist? Terrorists, who carried out the most audacious attack, tied the threads and applied vermillion on their foreheads to pass off as locals in case they were intercepted by Indian naval forces.

After murdering four fishermen onboard a trawler in the Arabian sea, the militants saw that the boat had several things including a "mauli" (religious thread used in Hindu religion), official sources said.

An arrested militant Ajmal Amin told the interrogators that when their hijacked fishing boat was approaching the Indian shores, they saw some Navy men.

Immediately, they tied the threads and some of them even put on vermilion to look like Hindus, the sources quoting the arrested militant said.


However, the militants managed to docked at Sasool in Cuff Parade from where they reached Gateway of India to carry out the attacks and were not intercepted by the naval forces.

The fishermen, while going out fishing in high seas, usually carry things to perform prayers.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby svinayak » 30 Nov 2008 07:44

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Nayak » 30 Nov 2008 07:44

NSG DG Dutta's interview played on CNN-IBN. He was clear and coherent in his response.

Good to see such guys in-charge. He said he did not expect such military tactics from the terrorists. His commandos exercised caution and restraint in the face of enormous challenges.

We are proud of such breed of men.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Nayak » 30 Nov 2008 07:46

Rajmaata is upset at the chain of events during elections. Patil is facing heat.

Bunch of eunuchs onlee.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby gashish » 30 Nov 2008 07:49

fanne wrote:Ps- I have talked to few Marathis friend and who were against Raj (as in had a soft corner but on second thought said he is wrong), are not taking any criticism of him now, I guess more because lets not talk politics now. Even some have become rather protective towards him. Like in closing the ranks in face of grave danger


Lets pls. not deduce anything based on anecdotal evidence/experience.

I'm marathi and really pi$sed of Raj thackeray.I grew up seeing ppl respecting these diggaz names in maharastra politics: Patil,Deshmukh and Thackeray.
Patil and Thackeray names have been forever tarnished. I'm ashamed to say I come from the same place where current CM and imbecile HM come from. As far Raj, his political career is finished. To begin with, he had no sway in most non-mumbai parts of Maharashtra.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shaardula » 30 Nov 2008 07:52

DG NSG Dutta was awesome. i was so happy to hear him convey articulate confident situation analysis in conversational praakrut. it was very assuring.

his message at the end of hostilities was especially reassuring. hamare paas aise yantr hote hein jisse hum...

he knew exactly what to say - the whats and the hows. awesome guy.

as that ultra cool commando said...
hamare liye kuch bhi mushkil nahi hein

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shiv » 30 Nov 2008 07:54

fanne wrote:This is no political forum, but just to make distinction, Shiv Sena (and hence Bal Thackrey) had no role to play in this recent anti-North Indian riots..



Fanne - when I lived in Pune in the 1960s - Bal Thackray was gaining popularity on an "anti-South Indian" platform. I may be older than the average forum member - but not so old that I am likely to pop of from old age too soon - and many people like me remember all this clearly.

Whatever is said about Raj Thackray - he is using the same tactics that his uncle taught him.

Two generations of people of the same family indulging in divisive politics to gain personal status.
Now Mumbai has been rescued by many people whom these two "patrioic poliicians" have cursed on theri way to political power.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shaardula » 30 Nov 2008 07:56

i think rajma ta is the worst thing to happen to this country. MMS and LKA would have gone to mumbai together. but i am willing to wager that rajma ta will not be be seen dead next to LKA and it was she who pulled the plug on that telling even if symbolic idea.

When ABV was hospitalized, she was the only one who didnot make a courtesy call. very vindictive and petty she is.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Sharma » 30 Nov 2008 07:58

Mumbai - Aaye Hain Samjhane - http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=j4N_Y7tMNzs

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby parsuram » 30 Nov 2008 07:58

The other report on NBC - Coast guard reported pigs coming in to port authorities, but nothing was done. I do not know if any of this was/is substantiated. A lot of snow on the information field.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Babui » 30 Nov 2008 07:59

From the comments section in Haaretz

"There was a time Israel was fighting terror, sometimes with success, sometimes with failures like maalot...now the only thing that we do is negotiate with hamas, hizballah,...the hindus just fought, never tried to negotiate. I hope next time they will do it better,but there is no room for us now to criticize Indian security forces."

"Instead of CONSTANTLY releasing hundreds of terrorists to rejoin the jihad against infidels, including setting free monster savage child murderer, Kuntar - RESCUE SHALIT and the other POW/MIAs !

India should send their commandos to Israel to rescue Shalit."

Don`t send in the troops to rescue the hostages instead give the terrorists anything they ask for, no price is to high for Israels experts.

"The country has been giving into terror for so long now that we have forgoton how to say no and kill the terrorists rather than surrender to their demands.
We could learn alot from the Indian government .. no nonsense, no negotiations send in the troops kill the terrorists and rescue the hostages.
Time to start learning from our friends when they have a good policy instead of trying to preach to them our bad ones."

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby faraz » 30 Nov 2008 07:59

Friends, should we discuss the Politicos and their Greedy politics in this moment ? All of them have more harm to us than any good

We are fed up all those rascals !

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Postby CRamS » 30 Nov 2008 08:04

Guys:

As my dictum always goes, never go by what US says, rather dispassonatley look at events from the only immutable fact, namely, US interests. My blood is boling as I heard a stupid CNN-IBN dorkette report faithfully that Condaleeza Rice urged India not to escalate tensions beccause TSP has warned that it will move its troops from FATA to the western front. Why the f%^&k don't our ****** ******* like Pranabda or MMS show their f^&*%ing manhood if they have anything worth showing to Rice and tell her that India's battle with Paki terrorists is as important if not more imporatnt that some piddly so called Al Quaeda holed up in a cave. I mean this is what gets me. How is US national secruity so imminent in a danger just because some anti-US pig is sitting in some cave in FATA? And when you consider that India faces an existential threat from Paki piglets, what gall do these goras have to suggest that somehow India's battle with Paki piglets is not as important. Tensions with TSP will rise, so f&*&%ing what? And if Rice is so concerned, then why not demand from her TSP all-lies that LeT must be sut down? Can't these dik-heads MMS and Pranabda impress that upon Rice? Makes me bloody want to throw up that even after such a horrific barabaric terrorist attack by Pakis against India, the situation is still viewed by goras as 'tensions between South asian rivals'. Man, somewhow we have to get out of this goddam box that the world has placed us in.
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Postby Anant » 30 Nov 2008 08:05

Can anyone shed light on the exploded taxi? Was that a bomb that went off in it? Grenade? Did a terrorist die or just plain innocent person? I ask because that has still not been explained in the modus operandi of this attack and not quite sure how that came about. Thank you.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby R_Kumar » 30 Nov 2008 08:10

Terrorists Used Vermillion, Religious Thread

Mumbai, November 29 (PTI)

Hindu religious thread on militants' wrist? Terrorists, who carried out the most audacious attack, tied the threads and applied vermillion on their foreheads to pass off as locals in case they were intercepted by Indian naval forces.

After murdering four fishermen onboard a trawler in the Arabian sea, the militants saw that the boat had several things including a "mauli" (religious thread used in Hindu religion), official sources said.

An arrested militant Ajmal Amin told the interrogators that when their hijacked fishing boat was approaching the Indian shores, they saw some Navy men.

Immediately, they tied the threads and some of them even put on vermilion to look like Hindus, the sources quoting the arrested militant said.

However, the militants managed to docked at Sasool in Cuff Parade from where they reached Gateway of India to carry out the attacks and were not intercepted by the naval forces.

The fishermen, while going out fishing in high seas, usually carry things to perform prayers.


Remember NDTV & IBN propaganda about religious thread??

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Eshwar » 30 Nov 2008 08:17

faraz wrote:Friends, should we discuss the Politicos and their Greedy politics in this moment ? All of them have more harm to us than any good

We are fed up all those rascals !


Faraz,

Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, politics is intricately related to terror in India. Clearly, the current bunch of monkeys and nincompoops in the govt. do not have the capability to fight terror. We need to identify who has the capability and leadership skills to tackle terror in India like its need to be.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby parsuram » 30 Nov 2008 08:19

You know, on further thought, I do believe the best response has got to be in Kashmir. Send in sharp shooters with target lists. Start taking out blatently pro paki and known terrorist sympathizers at a fast clip. It has great utility, and complete deniability. GOI can even dispatch high level investigative teams. But start taking out paki backing kasmiris. Few hundred and LeT will get the message. Few thousand, and they will back off. This is easy. Safe. Great for security. Like I said, low hanging fruit. Let us go get it. kasmiri pigs-en-Fruit salad? chutney? achaar anyone?

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Nayak » 30 Nov 2008 08:21

Despite spending billions on defense mango abduls get chopped down by el-cheapo made in Pakistan bullets. :cry:

Can it get any more depressing ?

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby enqyoob » 30 Nov 2008 08:22

R_Kumarji:

The tough question that needs to be started asking is, if the Pakis are this sophisticated in their planning of terror attacks, down to vermillion marks and orange threads on the hands, how tough would it have been to set up a counter-intel officer with "evidence" that "convinced" dismal zero-watt dolts like the Maharashtra Pubic Prosecutor?

Destroying the army's counter-terrorism intelligence most definitely gave the terrorists a clear element of surprise in this attack.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shynee » 30 Nov 2008 08:23

Mumbai 26/11: The Silence of the Lambs

By Swati Parashar

Even as I write this, I hear Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the Foreign Minister of Pakistan, in a press conference brazenly denying Pakistan’s role in the Mumbai terrorist war and carnage. He says, ‘Pakistan is a responsible neighbour and a responsible nation’. A new definition of ‘responsibility’ perhaps! The ‘responsible’ nation allows terrorists and fanatics like Syed Salahudin, Hafiz Sayeed, Masood Azhar and Dawood Ibrahim to walk with impunity in its territory. The Minister further says that ‘every Pakistani should know that when it comes to national security and national interest, all institutions of the state are unanimous’. Can we learn something from his message? Can we also say that when it comes to our national security, integrity and sovereignty, we, as Indians, can also stand together and speak with a unanimous voice? Can we convey a message to our leaders and our decision makers that this time, I repeat, this time we shall not have Indo-Pak rapprochement take priority over our response to this heinous act of terror against our nation? President Zardari said a few days back that, ‘there is a little bit of Indian in every Pakistani and little bit of Pakistani in every Indian’. Well said Mr. President but your own people have derided your magnanimity or rather your hyperbole. Political analyst Shireen Mazari concluded in one of her usual anti-Indian rantings that beneath all the multilayered identity she has as a Pakistani, she failed to see that ‘little bit of Indian’ in her. I wonder what the kin of Mr. Jinnah, living in India, have to say about this. For her, India is a foreign country. At this moment, unfortunately, when ‘borders’ have entered our vocabulary once again, I am unable to see the ‘little bit of Pakistani’ in me. Pakistan is as much a foreign country for us as India is for Ms. Mazari, albeit with a history of hostility!

I have not been able to sleep since this nightmare broke out. I wonder if our ever sensitive PM who lost his sleep (and perhaps rightfully so!) when Mohammed Haneef, was arrested in Australia, could get some sleep this time. He did not seem to lose much sleep while addressing the nation. Mr. Prime Minister, (Dr. Manmohan Singh) which sovereign country will tolerate this blatant act of terror, when a group of armed men from across the border carry out a violent orgy in the name of delivering justice to their brethren in this country? What would happen if a group of Mexicans carry out this kind of mayhem against Americans in the US, in the name of delivering justice to Hispanics? What would be China’s response to a group of Tajiks, Uzbeks or even Pakistanis, who walk into China just as easily as these terrorists landed in Mumbai and then carry out carnage in China, as a response to Chinese treatment of Uighur Muslims? How would the Australians react if a group of Indonesians enter their territory and carry out terrorist attacks to protest against the oppression of minority Muslims in Australia? We (including our own Government) know what course of action these governments will take but for India, inaction would mean a virtuous moral high ground.

But wait, is this new? We have been taught similar lessons in the past too, by our charitable neighbours in the South, East and West. Our national leader was assassinated in our territory using our resources, and terror and violence is unleashed almost on a monthly basis, often facilitated from across the Western and Eastern borders. They are lessons taught, but we learnt nothing! Not once could we send a strong signal that our tolerance could not be taken for granted. Mr. PM, you and your ministers have hardly inspired any confidence even during this war in Mumbai. On another note, even the commando operations have left us speechless as we try to come to terms with the fact that two or three terrorists at any given time can keep 100 or more elite NSG commandos engaged in a fierce gun battle for three days! The media reporting added to our fears as we kept getting information about how the terrorists are eluding the commandos, shifting positions, moving from one floor to another. Some of us ask, why did the media need to be briefed about the operations, about the movement of the terrorists, and about the number of commandos, hostages etc. and run it like a reality show? Why did the commandos need to address the media especially when the operation was still going on? I salute those brave soldiers who fought to secure us and our country, mourn for those who lost their lives, but I cannot help raise questions. I hope some informed people will dispel the darkness around these uninspiring ‘counter- terrorism’ operations.

I have been following the media reports and opinion pieces very carefully, even those from Pakistan. There is the familiar and understandable denial from the Pakistani side. However, the denial by our Indian media is disheartening. Some writings have started coming through, familiar and rhetorical; let us look at ‘root causes’, let us address ‘marginalisation’ and let us talk about ‘oppression’ and ‘grievances’. I wish to tell them that despite the genuine problems of exclusion and marginalisation we still face, we have fared better than the dismal records of those in the world who point fingers at us. A gentleman from Pakistan asked me to think about what our (Indian) ‘reaction’ to this kind of terrorism would mean to the Muslims of the sub-continent. My only answer is that for every action and reaction, how fair is it to be always held hostage to the feelings of one community, when the sad truth is that we have not even succeeded in convincing them of our goodwill. I have written in an earlier article, “There can be no limit to the ways in which any community’s sentiments are threatened because communities are more fragile identities than individuals. I am beginning to get a sense that in the name of protecting the feelings of communities of all sorts, we are promoting a culture of intolerance that will further divide the people and entrench conflicts in the society.”

Why should the feelings of any one community negate any effective counter-terrorism strategy? What happens to claims about our multicultural, multi religious and multi ethnic identity and the fact that the state has responsibilities towards citizens and not just communities? Besides, I am sure the Indian Muslims would also not like ‘foreigners’ to speak for them and carry out such attacks in their name. These terrorists claimed to be representing the aggrieved in India. I am hoping those ‘represented’ will speak up this time. Kashmir was mentioned as a reason for this terrorist war in Mumbai. Do the Kashmiris want to be represented by such terrorists/ such brutal killers? Why haven’t I heard any Kashmiri leader speak out yet? I also wait for intellectuals like Arundhati Roy, ever so conscientious and sensitive towards the ‘wronged’ and the ‘innocent’ victims, to offer their condolences to those who have died in these terror attacks including the uniformed officers! But, maybe Ms. Roy would argue that they deserved to die, the rich foreigners, especially Americans, Jews, and those rich Indians who were staying in these posh hotels, people who were symbols of imperialism, capitalism and therefore, of bourgeois decadence! But Ms. Roy, you can still condole the cold blooded murder of ‘common’ people at the CST railway station.

In classical political science we are taught that a ‘state’ as a political entity consists of four essential elements; territory, government, sovereignty and population. These attacks in Mumbai make me rethink our existence as a ‘state’. Our territorial integrity blatantly violated by people (terrorists) who could walk in and out without being as much as even questioned. Sovereignty, such that these foreign terrorists deliver justice to the oppressed citizens of this country. Government? Does there seem like one? So does population alone make our country a ‘state’ then, a population which is anyways being annihilated in such acts of terror? These difficult questions will have to be asked and we will have to introspect, we will have to speak out. The great poet, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, has a message for us even as we make sense of this tragedy and outrage.

“bol ki lab aazaad hai.n tere

bol zabaa.n ab tak terii hai

teraa sutawaa.n jism hai teraa

bol ki jaa.n ab tak terii hai”


Speak, your lips are free.

Speak, it is your own tongue.

Speak,it is your own body.

Speak, your life is still yours.

Swati Parashar is a PhD candidate at the Department of Politics and International Relations, Lancaster University, UK. She can be contacted at swatiparashar@hotmail.com

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby faraz » 30 Nov 2008 08:27

Parsuram, with all due respect, this is not going to happen.

We have a Home Minister who is shameless enough to give interview on TV even after this.

We have a PM who is not ready to name the country where the terrorist came from and a Leader of Opposition who could not even show the gesture of coming together with the PM to visit Mumbai.

parsuram wrote:You know, on further thought, I do believe the best response has got to be in Kashmir. Send in sharp shooters with target lists. Start taking out blatently pro paki and known terrorist sympathizers at a fast clip. It has great utility, and complete deniability. GOI can even dispatch high level investigative teams. But start taking out paki backing kasmiris. Few hundred and LeT will get the message. Few thousand, and they will back off. This is easy. Safe. Great for security. Like I said, low hanging fruit. Let us go get it. kasmiri pigs-en-Fruit salad? chutney? achaar anyone?

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Postby Prem » 30 Nov 2008 08:27

parsuram wrote:You know, on further thought, I do believe the best response has got to be in Kashmir. Send in sharp shooters with target lists. Start taking out blatently pro paki and known terrorist sympathizers at a fast clip. It has great utility, and complete deniability. GOI can even dispatch high level investigative teams. But start taking out paki backing kasmiris. Few hundred and LeT will get the message. Few thousand, and they will back off. This is easy. Safe. Great for security. Like I said, low hanging fruit. Let us go get it. kasmiri pigs-en-Fruit salad? chutney? achaar anyone?


I have been crying hoarse since satyug to see this kind of action but no one is listening. Piglest over there deny Indian constitution so there is no issue of legality , just fry them and export the halal bacon. This is the 2nd God send oppertunity to send 72 lovers to imaginary brothel up in clouds.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby shaardula » 30 Nov 2008 08:28

yep. their first instinct is self doubt and overwhelming urge is to self flagellate.

the indian media is not manned by the genuinely curious. the thapars, the dutts, the sardesais and the ghoses etc., are all offsprings of an incestuous cesspool of the indian elite that has produced a whole bunch of dullards and bubbas.

in a purely meritocratic media, these guys would be no where.
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Postby Vikas » 30 Nov 2008 08:29

His commandos exercised caution and restraint in the face of enormous challenges.


What is this with we Indians that we love to exercise constraint all the time.
I would like to see no constraint and total carnage of the piglets at least once dammit!!

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby R_Kumar » 30 Nov 2008 08:31

shaardula wrote:i think rajma ta is the worst thing to happen to this country. MMS and LKA would have gone to mumbai together. but i am willing to wager that rajma ta will not be be seen dead next to LKA and it was she who pulled the plug on that telling even if symbolic idea.

When ABV was hospitalized, she was the only one who didnot make a courtesy call. very vindictive and petty she is.


I don't have link for the below article so can't say how authentic it is. I got this from other forum. Reading this I am not sure who is at fault. Advani wanted to go together with PM, but PM wanted to postpone this by a day(congress source).
I guess we will never know the truth.

PM too late, Advani gone
RASHEED KIDWAI


New Delhi, Nov. 27: Manmohan Singh flew to Mumbai this evening only an hour after L.K. Advani, who had been insisting the two go together in a show of unity, had taken off.

The separate travel plans, after the leader of the Opposition's attempts to persuade the Prime Minister to present a united face in the terror-numbed city, led many in Delhi to believe that politics had got the better of solidarity.

Since early today, Advani was in a hurry to get to Mumbai with the Prime Minister to send a signal that the nation was united and determined to foil attempts to destabilise it.

Singh was reluctant, though, preferring to give the Vilasrao Deshmukh government more time to flush out terrorists and normalise the situation. VVIP movement could strain an already stretched administration, he believed.

Sources said Advani called the Prime Minister thrice and each time, the leader of the Opposition seemed eager to travel today. In his genial way, Singh tried to dissuade him, suggesting tomorrow was a better option.

However, by the time the PMO decided to shed its initial reluctance for a rare coming together of the ruling UPA and the Opposition, Advani had taken the plane out.

Soon after, around 5.30pm, the Prime Minister was off, too, with Sonia Gandhi, Sharad Pawar, Shivraj Patil and others.

Congress leaders said the Prime Minister's early unwillingness to visit "ground zero" today had Sonia's blessings. The Congress president, herself keen to visit Mumbai once it was normal, is said to have agreed with Singh's view that the state should be left to focus on the task at hand.

However, when she learnt about Advani's eagerness to go today, she encouraged Singh to present a united face. By then, though, the BJP leader had left.

Caught off guard, Sonia then decided the Prime Minister should fly out right away instead of letting Advani score brownie points in Mumbai ahead of polls in many states.


The Prime Minister's evening flight capped a day of huddles, including a cabinet meeting where home minister Shivraj Patil left his colleagues dissatisfied with what they privately said was a "sketchy" briefing on the attacks. The minister apparently couldn't name the spots or give the exact numbers of terrorists involved.

In the Congress, there is a growing sense of despondency that the Mumbai attack is going to cost them dearly in the Assembly elections now under way. Congress leaders said Sonia and Singh should fix the responsibility for the strikes to shore up the party's Lok Sabha poll prospects. There are signs Patil's exit may be discussed next week when the UPA reviews the situation.

As the meetings went on, senior ministers kept receiving frantic calls about the wellbeing of VIPs in the two Mumbai hotels where the terrorists were holed up.

Steel magnate and NRI Lakshmi Mittal called up petroleum minister Murli Deora from London to find out more about the attacks. Deora also received a call from Qatar authorities concerned about their consulate-general at the Taj hotel. The diplomat was later rescued.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Nayak » 30 Nov 2008 08:32

Vikas, Dutta specifically told that they did not want to go guns-blazing in every room.

The pigs were not isolated and cornered because of the hostage.

Please do not second-guess the NSG ops, a ferverent appeal to all BR members.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Raju » 30 Nov 2008 08:33

NO RUMOURS AND SPECULATION - POST ONLY FROM RELIABLE SOURCES

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby CRamS » 30 Nov 2008 08:33

Prem wrote:
parsuram wrote:You know, on further thought, I do believe the best response has got to be in Kashmir. Send in sharp shooters with target lists. Start taking out blatently pro paki and known terrorist sympathizers at a fast clip. It has great utility, and complete deniability. GOI can even dispatch high level investigative teams. But start taking out paki backing kasmiris. Few hundred and LeT will get the message. Few thousand, and they will back off. This is easy. Safe. Great for security. Like I said, low hanging fruit. Let us go get it. kasmiri pigs-en-Fruit salad? chutney? achaar anyone?


I have been crying hoarse since satyug to see this kind of action but no one is listening. Piglest over there deny Indian constitution so there is no issue of legality , just fry them and export the halal bacon. This is the 2nd God send oppertunity to send 72 lovers to imaginary brothel up in clouds.


In one of my conversations with Uneven, until I lodt gavor with him, he also suggested that if India wanted to, it can pluck the low hanging KM fruit by the 1000s and solve the problem, but it is too civilized to do that.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Prem » 30 Nov 2008 08:37

Dear Swati,
Unfortunately your words have no meaning for the consciously dead , yellow blooded, green ,red ,PS political rats running our country.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby faraz » 30 Nov 2008 08:37

Hear ! Hear !!

Please do not doubt the NSGs. Constraint can be a virtue in many situations.

The collateral damage was to be kept at its bare minimum. And when the NSG wanted to go full throttle, they went full throttle. The proof is the Porki Chop that fell out of the window.


Nayak wrote:Vikas, Dutta specifically told that they did not want to go guns-blazing in every room..

The pigs were not isolated and cornered because of the hostage.

Please do not second-guess the NSG ops, a ferverent appeal to all BR members.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby enqyoob » 30 Nov 2008 08:38

I would like to see no constraint and total carnage of the piglets at least once dammit!!


I am with u on that - but of course not inside an Indian city. Islamabad, Muridke, Peshawar, Lahore.

And I am beginning to see the sense in a direct chair-lift facility in Kashmir. 200 flights a day, non-stop to Houristan, 7 days a week, year-round.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby R_Kumar » 30 Nov 2008 08:40

narayanan wrote:R_Kumarji:
Destroying the army's counter-terrorism intelligence most definitely gave the terrorists a clear element of surprise in this attack.


Sometime when I close my eyes and think about Purohit, I wonder if he is an innocent and true Des Bhakt, how frustrated and sad he must be from inside. I really hope we get court verdict very soon whatever it may be.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby parsuram » 30 Nov 2008 08:41

Ram: No, Indian polititians are not "too civilzed" at all. It is just that they reserve their little bit of civilization for the pigs. For the rest of the country and its people, they could not be more uncivilized. There should be some voluenteer org. that can be put together to do this. Army will almost surely help, look away. I know enough army from J&K to know that.


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