Raju ji, that was a generic statement, don't look too much into it.Raju wrote:ok. So this 'anybody' will not pester this venerable 'media-approved' thread anymore.Rahul M wrote:not a fetish, just a system of acceptable filters so that anybody can't just come in, say anything and subvert the whole idea of BRF.
thanks for conveying to me that media is the hero.
And I am a zero.
India has tell-tale evidence of Pak connection, say agencies
30 Nov 2008, 0000 hrs IST, TNN
NEW DELHI: Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Saturday promised to help India unearth the hand behind the Mumbai attack. Well, he will not have to work hard. For, Indian agencies have managed to lay their hands on evidence which has ripped apart Islamabad's perennial denial about the involvement of Pakistan's quasi-state actor in the terror campaign against India.
Sources said a satellite phone recovered from one of the rafts that the 10 jihadi desperados used to enter Mumbai on that fateful Wednesday night has yielded tell-tale evidence of the direct involvement of top hierarchy of ISI-backed Lashkar-e-Toiba in the Mumbai mayhem.
The satellite phone records show that the gang remained in touch with Muzammil alias Yusuf who is in-charge of Lashkar's anti-India operations. More crucially, Ajmal has told his ATS interrogators about the direct interest that Zakiur Rahman, a top-ranking jihadi and one of the founding members of Lashkar, took in the anti-Mumbai plot.
Sources said information harvested from the satellite phone, the GPS device that the jihadis used to navigate their way to Mumbai and the detailed account of Ajmal, the gang member in custody, add up to a solid body of evidence of Lashkar's direct complicity.
The Lashkar leadership was directly involved at each step of the plot -- from organising a safe house for the gang in Karachi's Azizabad locality before they set out on the deadly mission to arranging the Pakistani vessel Al Hussaini with arms and ammunition on which they travelled.
The details also appear to have formed the basis for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to forcefully speak about the Pakistani connection to the ghastly crime. Talking to media in Islamabad on Saturday, the Pakistani FM confirmed that India, in a clear reference to Singh's conversation with Pakistani PM Yusuf Raza Gilani on Friday, had spoken of the involvement of Pakistan-based organisations in the savagery.
Top government sources described the evidence as "clinching". "It is so convincing that Pakistan can refuse to take action against Lashkar only at the cost of the admission that it has lost control over its territory, or the confirmation of the charge that it connives with terrorists operating from its soil," they said.
The satellite phone was a fortuitous find for the investigating agencies. According to Ajmal, Muzammil had instructed the gang members to destroy the equipment before entering Mumbai. Fortunately for India, the jihadis forgot to carry out the brief, leaving crucial information for the investigators.
The GPS device, so programmed as to help the Lashkar operatives chart their way to India and back, is another evidence.
Muzammil is a notorious `India hand', having scripted the attack on the CRPF camp in Rampur in UP on January 1 this year. The subsequent arrests of Lashkar operatives, Fahim Ansari and others, also brought out Lashkar's resolve to target Mumbai almost a year before the jihadis actually struck. Fahim had told his interrogators from UP Special Task Force and, later, Hemant Karkare, the former chief of Mumbai ATS, that Lashkar was plotting to target important landmarks like Gateway of India, Stock Exchange and Hotel Centaur.
It is, however, rare for Zakiur Rahman, a veteran jihadi who is fondly called ‘chachu’ by the gang, to get into the frame himself. That he made an exception to get in touch with the jihadis he despatched to Mumbai speaks of the importance that Lashkar gave to the operation.
Ajmal had told interrogators that he and his accomplices were put up in a house in Karachi's Azizabad locality for a while before being asked to board a mid-sized vessel from Kajhar Creek. They travelled 20-25 km southwest before they were picked up by a group of Pakistanis on board a ship plying under the registration of Al Hussaini. The terrorists later switched to Kuber, an Indian trawler they commandeered after killing three of the occupants.
The skipper of the trawler was also killed a day later as a prelude to the indiscriminate killing spree they began, leaving explosives in the taxis they took and which went off after they had got off. They also forced employees of Taj and Trident hotels to act as their guides by killing their colleagues in front of them.
Times Of India
Thats the best suggestion I have heard so far.parsuram wrote:You know, on further thought, I do believe the best response has got to be in Kashmir. Send in sharp shooters with target lists. Start taking out blatently pro paki and known terrorist sympathizers at a fast clip. It has great utility, and complete deniability. GOI can even dispatch high level investigative teams. But start taking out paki backing kasmiris. Few hundred and LeT will get the message. Few thousand, and they will back off. This is easy. Safe. Great for security. Like I said, low hanging fruit. Let us go get it. kasmiri pigs-en-Fruit salad? chutney? achaar anyone?
Is it possible to get a video clipping or text of Bush's speech ?jmaxwell wrote:you are kidding right?arunabh wrote:i think the agnis and prithvis that we have would keep pak and china away from carrying out full fledged wars.
never did i envision a day where a speech from Bush would sweep me off my feet. His words on Indian resilience were more reassuring than anything the entire babudom has said so far.
Nayak, My point is not about this specific ops but in general about any activity that defense forces undertake.If it is firing on the border, we maintain restraint, if NLI occupy Kargil heights, we use restraint,If Beedees kill Indian Soldiers we hide behind this fake facade of restraint.Nayak wrote:Vikas, Dutta specifically told that they did not want to go guns-blazing in every room.
The pigs were not isolated and cornered because of the hostage.
Please do not second-guess the NSG ops, a ferverent appeal to all BR members.
So the first was the porky who fell out of the window after getting fried.Jagan wrote:
Seriously - you quoted something you read on some forum - without mentioning what forum it is, who the poster was, and what your relationship with that poster is, you post that information here and expect us to believe that bit of news straight away?Raju wrote:Why are we allowing 'media' to exert undue influence over our lives or the spread of truth ?
Why do we no more trust in the human narrative ?
neelkamal wrote:I got it on youtube
bush's statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIXInTtYpA
it is a very nice speech. The world's largest democacy can look for the world's oldest democracy to stand by its side.
beautiful.
neelkamal wrote:I got it on youtube
bush's statement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mIXInTtYpA
it is a very nice speech. The world's largest democacy can look for the world's oldest democracy to stand by its side.
beautiful.
saved you some BP medication and a visit to the Doc.neelkamal wrote:............ Did not get to watch Prime Minister's address to the nation also.
MUMBAI: Witnesses and police officials did not know whether to make a criminal or a martyr out of the mangled body, which lay at the Cooper Hospital morgue and was what remained of the driver of a taxi that exploded on Western Express Highway on Wednesday night.
The cab, which exploded not very far from the airport, claimed the lives of two - the cab driver and a passenger - and left two others injured.
The clues that the cops could have found handy were lost in the blast; parts of the taxi landed almost 300 metres away after the blast and the licence plate and the registration number were lost forever.
Agreed. This would not have happened if there was a central co-ordination authority controlling the whole thing... While I am completely in support of commando ops and how it was handled by IA, I believe that inter-force co-ordination could have made sure that this kind of stuff does not leak out!asprinzl wrote:I am disappointed in the fact the the India security agencies let out that they have one terrorist captured alive. War is deception. They should have kept that info quiet and bilk out every last bit of info without alerting whatever cells are out there. Dead terrorists dont talk. Their handlers would rest easier if all the terrorist were dead for no intel could be bilked out of them that may implicate the handlers and local guides and scouts. Now that they are aware of one caught alive, all the baddies would be trying to evade much faster and farther. Bad move.
Avram
Not really.asprinzl wrote:I am disappointed in the fact the the India security agencies let out that they have one terrorist captured alive. War is deception. They should have kept that info quiet and bilk out every last bit of info without alerting whatever cells are out there. Dead terrorists dont talk. Their handlers would rest easier if all the terrorist were dead for no intel could be bilked out of them that may implicate the handlers and local guides and scouts. Now that they are aware of one caught alive, all the baddies would be trying to evade much faster and farther. Bad move.
Vivek,...insted of stopping water we might as well nuke them...
