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Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby amit » 02 Dec 2008 15:35

milindc wrote: Amit,
That's a tall hope. Sorry to be blunt, but the incompetence of Mah. Police is for everyone to see. It starts from the top, it was ridiculous the way AN Roy was blabbering during the attack. The idiot was completely helpless and the only way he responded was release inane comments to media.


Boss I would find it incredible if the investigations and interrogation is still being just handled by the Maharashtra Police.

If they are then even my last vestige of trust on the personnel on the ground would go too.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby milindc » 02 Dec 2008 15:40

durgesh wrote:If we want to see some concrete action against pukiland , we must start kicking congress where it hurts it most . The super prime minister must be held responsible and accountable for this. There should be plenty of Sonia bashing in the media , then only we can see some action.

There are very good media advisers (might even be foreigners) hired by 'pro-terrorist' congress party who know how to deflect blame from Sonia Manio.

Really nice game played by them and you need to compliment them and then learn
1) Find a scape-goat who everyone hates (Shivraj 'ball-less' Patil)
2) In CWC meeting, blame your UPA govt (Act like outsider)
3) More scape goats (deflect blame)
4) Start, we are ALL responsible campaign (blame the politicians)
5) Use PadmaShri Bharka 'I-BJ-Congress' Dutt and PadmaShri Rajdeep 'I-hate-India' Sardesai to extend blame to all the politicians.
6) No one has time to really think about the real culprit responsible for this state of affairs

Some missteps which were immediately doused by insufficient media coverage since the clowns are busy covering idiots like RR Patil, Deshmukh, Achutanandan, Bardhan, Naqvi
1) Priyanka claiming that IG would have acted differently
2) Rahul's partying on the day of attacks

I have not seen even one journalist question
1) Why did Sonia persist with an incompetent buffoon like Shivraj Patil
2) Didn't she appoint all the responsible folks (MMS, Patil, MKN, Deshmukh)
3) Even now, she is appointing the replacement for Deshmukh (Why doesn't she allow the MLAs to vote by their conscience)

What I find odd is that even BJP seems to be more interested in Rajasthan election than assign responsibility on Sonia

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby narayana » 02 Dec 2008 15:45

if we show some balls,and we have a conventional war with porkis,what are the chances and how much damage we can inflict on them,i mean we go for a hot pursuit after the terrorists,and we DO cross LOC.what would be the situation? will unkil arm twist us?

can any guru run a comparison with what we have in our inventory against what the porkis have in numbers

Prithvi
Agni-1
Agni-2
Pinaka
t-95
smerch
bofors
su-30 mki
mirage 2000
mig 29
jaguars
vikrant
ASW
submarines
etc

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby amit » 02 Dec 2008 15:45

milindc wrote: What I find odd is that even BJP seems to be more interested in Rajasthan election than assign responsibility on Sonia


That's good point. I was really amazed that Advani skipped the All party meeting where he could have really turned the heat on, saying he had to do campaigning? Could the Rajasthan elections which the BJP will win anyway be more important than the meeting to discuss Mumbai carnage?

Advani could have brought along someone as articulate as Arun Shourie and made the govt toast. I wonder why he skipped the opportunity?

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Sanku » 02 Dec 2008 15:48

milindc wrote:What I find odd is that even BJP seems to be more interested in Rajasthan election than assign responsibility on Sonia


Isnt that a unusual show of intelligence by the BJP? Modi won Gujarat despite a well funded media campaign against it by not only the worthies you described so correctly but also by other media toilets -- not by fighting a media battle but by a well managed campaign. No one was even aware what Mayawati was brewing in UP till it all exploded after the count.

BJP has learnt the lesson of 2003; it wont do to talk sense on national media and forget the grass roots. The folks casting the max number of votes dont even know for sure where Mumbai is (so to say -- and true of any democracy really) -- the message they have to carry has to be done by other means.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby niran » 02 Dec 2008 15:53

fat load of good it would have done.
you are talking as if toasting UPA
in an all party meeting would have changed any thing.
it is all drama to show the public that their esteemed elected
are working their collective mussarrafs to solve this problem.
LKA have attended plenty of all party BS, so he decides to
kindly refrain and campaign.JMT

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby milindc » 02 Dec 2008 15:57

amit wrote:
milindc wrote: What I find odd is that even BJP seems to be more interested in Rajasthan election than assign responsibility on Sonia


That's good point. I was really amazed that Advani skipped the All party meeting where he could have really turned the heat on, saying he had to do campaigning? Could the Rajasthan elections which the BJP will win anyway be more important than the meeting to discuss Mumbai carnage?

Advani could have brought along someone as articulate as Arun Shourie and made the govt toast. I wonder why he skipped the opportunity?


The environment created by 'pro-terrorist' congress party's media handlers is just amazing. Politicians of all hues are being blamed and are not allowed to participate in discussions. The 'Page-3' idiots are now dictating the media coverage.

There is lot of in-fighting in Rajasthan BJP, that's the reason Advani & Co are not confident of massive win even with the current ground swell against 'pro-terrorist' Congress. If they lose Rajasthan in this environment, it will be a massive loss of face and media will run with it until General Elections.
BJP leaders seemed to have resigned to the fact that 'pro-terrorist' congress leaders are not capable of countering Pakis. They are preparing for General elections in next couple of months.
I think once the Rajasthan elections are over, you will see more media offensive from BJP.

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby Raj Malhotra » 02 Dec 2008 15:59

Mumbai is known to be target for terrorists. Now look at this:-

First terrorist shots were fired at Taj and Oberoi at around 9.30-10pm. Marcos reached around 4am in morning in Taj (while they did nothing in Oberoi EVEN AFTER reaching) and NSG got into operation around 8am after 11 hours of first incident. Now point is what the Mumbai Police, its CP and DGP were doing from 10pm to 4am that is 6 hours when killings were going on in the heart of city i.e. before they could pass the blame to MARCOS/NSG. I ask the assh*les in power-that after sad demise of ATS personnel, were there no other person to take command? Governor House and all city politicians live within shouting distance of Taj, what were they doing, why additional armed police teams could not be sent from Police HQ or why commandoes attached to security of say, Governor House 5 min away, did not respond?



1. Why should the heads of Police CP, DGP & local SHOs not roll? How many AKs rifles were there in Mumbai Police and how were they deployed or distributed? Mumbai Police especially DGP, CP, Deputy CM, CM have to explain movements between 9pm to 4pm which are full 7 hours!


2. Where were Taj security guards? Could such a big Hotel on terrorist hit list not hire retired commandoes? When did Taj call police?


3. Why did NSG move to airport and city by BEST Buses? Wasting 2 hours in Delhi /Mumbai, where was the co-ordination to get IAF Helos? Note-This issue of delay was raised in Akshardham also!


4. Why NSG was not armed with guns to shoot through walls? (like short barreled shot guns firing explosive rounds)Note-This issue was raised in Akshardham also!


5. When NSG was called, why was IAF not called simultaneously to get helos/aircraft for fast movement?


6. Why there was no beat officer patrolling the sea coast, which should be normal? In Mumbai a person cannot go five steps without running into cops!

7. Only 2 Prahars were deployed by Navy till 4pm which is only 8x2=16 men, Mumbai is important navy port, so is that the only persons they had? Isn’t there a naval colony in Colaba itself which is right at the site of tragedy? Don’t the naval ships routinely dock near Gateway i.e. Taj? What was the exact time they were called (12am-1pm) and why is it that they could only respond after 4 hours with only 16 persons while being just a few hundred meters being away?

8. Why has the bureaucracy read Cabinet secretary not developed a co-ordination for quick response from Services in time of crisis? Why his personal permission is required? Why should he be not dismissed for responding slow? Why did whole of naval staff not act faster and with more men? Mumbai is heart of navy & Colaba / gateway is in the middle of heart, why did they respond with so few men and so slow? Why more commandoes could not come from IA & IAF who also have stations not more than an hour away? What would have happened if the attack had taken place say in Aurangabad, would they brass/nsg/police respond after one week?

9. What is the amount of training a police cop gets for firing his weapon? I think one round per year on average! This is in Bombay city with budget of city alone of 10,000 crores rupees per annum i.e. apart from lakhs of crores collected in the city for central and state taxes. Yes get it –the city alone generates few Billion dollars in taxes and Capitalization of Bombay stock market is more than the National GDP!! Why could not 10,000 Insas rifle be procured and cops trained on them? Cost only Rs. 20 crores!!!!!!

10. What has been done to destroy Dawood links in Cricket, film industry etc. Are not local politicians, police still heavily involved with known Dawood agents?

11. Why this issue of bomb blasts in taxi, more terrorists and local support is being downplayed?

12. Antony is reputed to be honest but is he competent? Has his indecision has delayed all procurement contracts of all services?

13. Is Chidambaram honest or has he been kicked upstairs for playing stock market and lining his (son’s) nest while not listening to anybody else (read not sharing the booty)?

14. Note- I think all those leaks to show that there was adequate intelligence is I think to protect some top brass which I think can only be NSA himself.

15. We were indirectly told that we should take quietly all the terrorist attacks as MMS does not want to de-rail nuke deal but what action he wants to take now? Why should not MMS, PC & Antony also resign and pave way for other sycophants, after all they should also get an opportunity!

16. Service Brass always blames politicians; the point is are they ready today? The last point of time any overt military action can be taken Pakistan is Jan 2009!

17. Why should we not mobilize, force Pakistan to draw away forces from North west front and then fund anti-pak jihadists, why not increase budget of RAW by say Rs. 10,000 crores for Pakistan de-stabilization alone? After all de-stabilized Pakistan cannot be worse than this. Soviet Union was also a nuclear power but was dismantled, after all!


While NSG, Mumbai lower level personnel may have been good and acted bravely, their brass has to answer lot of questions!

If possible please forward these questions to journalists we know so that they can be asked by media to (politicians &) bureaucrats, considering that bureaucrats are all going to escape. If we going to go to war, then we may have to live with these assh*les but if not then I say fire:-

1. NSA
2. Cabinet secretary
3. Home secretary
4. RAW head
5. IB Head
6. Mumbai DGP- a cry baby who looks like a gay and wants to hide his incompetence behind dead Mumbai Cops
7. Mumbai CP
8. Mumbai local SHOs
9. Coast Guard head

(NSG and Service chiefs should be asked to account for slow response, as of now the blame seems somewhere else but some reasons for delay are rumours and not open source, so I cannot post it!)

I am reposting this post, as I have made too many changes

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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

Postby narayana » 02 Dec 2008 16:03

sorry if some one posted this earlier
Pakistan will have to pay a heavy price
By MJ Akbar

a few excerpts
Many people forget that India is a tough nation. Toothless leaders have turned India into a soft nation. People forget that India has fought back Muslim terrorism in Kashmir; Sikh terrorism in Punjab, Christian terrorism in Nagaland and Hindu terrorism in Assam, and amongst the Naxalites


The Indian people have no leadership. You have a prime minister. Did you see him when he addressed the nation? Nobody knew if he was addressing the nation or having a cup of tea?

He looked serious, but he didn't talk to us about our anger and about our anguish. I think this administration is tone deaf to the anguish of the people. They just cannot understand what the people are going through. They just don't understand our pain or our anger. The most important thing is that, perhaps, we have politicised not only the instruments of the State like the police but we have also politicised the understanding of the nature of the problem.

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