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Philip wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sault.html


Pakistan faces calls to curb its pro-Islamist intelligence service
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 47097.html

The ISI had links with the group blamed for carrying out the Mumbai attacks, reports Kim Sengupta
Philip,

Something seemed to have changed in the past couple of days. Western media now pretty openly talking about the Pakistan connection. The Deccan Mujahideen-Indian "miscreants" bull shit seems to have been put to rest.

I wonder why?
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undoubtedly.
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Simple! apart from PC diplomatic protests and media drama India is not
going to harm Pakistan. with your interest safe, one can sing whatever is the
tune of the day.
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lakshmikanth wrote:Unkil's strategy is working, even before the Rice Visit.

breaking news on Indian Express: India not considering military action against Pakistan

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/india ... ak/393204/

We truly must be the greatest GUBOs on planet earth :((
I've got to say this.

This is probably the most pathetically weak kneed government we've had since Independence.

It's certainly time for a change in government, if for nothing else other than to show all Indian politicians that it can't be business as usual even after a carnage like this.

It's not just the number of people killed, it is a combination of the deaths along with an attack on the Indian institution which makes it IMO the most serious terrorist outrage we've seen since Independence.

Even if we don't go to war, there are so many things the government can do to put pressure on Pakistan. But it seems the only thing being strategised now is how to survive in government. Rice will come an throw a few bones at us with some empty rhetoric and we'll hold that as a great victory. Damn!
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amit wrote:
Philip wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sault.html


Pakistan faces calls to curb its pro-Islamist intelligence service
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 47097.html

The ISI had links with the group blamed for carrying out the Mumbai attacks, reports Kim Sengupta
Philip,

Something seemed to have changed in the past couple of days. Western media now pretty openly talking about the Pakistan connection. The Deccan Mujahideen-Indian "miscreants" bull shit seems to have been put to rest.

I wonder why?
My educated guess is that Obama has finally realized that it was the generals in Pakistan that created terrorism as a policy of state in order to wage proxy war with India as opposed to his earlier thinking which was something along the lines that terrorism in south asia comes out of Kashmir problem.

My guess is that somebody managed to explain Obama that Kashmir problem comes out of terrorism and terrorism comes out of Pakistan state's sponsorship, but not the other way around.

Obama's mind has been changed as a result of result Mumbai attacks and now he won't be bothering with trying to "mediate" between India Pakistan with respect to Kashmir.

US media takes a lot of cues from those in power and this is a result of powers-that-be changing their mind and getting reminded about 9/11.
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even humble farmer[tm] had more backbone than MMS whose govt has a spine made of 101% jell-o only.

a pack of liars, traitors, EJs, vile islamofascists, violent criminals, dynasty courtiers, mafia buddies, maoist ideologues...God himself couldnt design a Govt this bad.
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Breaking News

India not considering military action against Pak: Pranab

On IBNlive there is breaking news "India not considering military action against Pak: Pranab"

Why on earth did he make a statement in such a hurry,that too before condolezza rice visit,we should have used it as bargaining chip,we should have told Americans that we will take on Terror camps irrespective of US war on terror in afghanistan,or else ask them to undertake predator sorties and take them out themselves.

why he was in such a hurry,when porkis were on the backfoot,even if they mobilised their troops it would cost them millions of USD,which would have worsened their economic situation further.
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narayana wrote:Breaking News

India not considering military action against Pak: Pranab

On IBNlive there is breaking news "India not considering military action against Pak: Pranab"

Why on earth did he make a statement in such a hurry,that too before condolezza rice visit,we should have used it as bargaining chip,we should have told Americans that we will take on Terror camps irrespective of US war on terror in afghanistan,or else ask them to undertake predator sorties and take them out themselves.

why he was in such a hurry,when porkis were on the backfoot,even if they mobilised their troops it would cost them millions of USD,which would have worsened their economic situation further.
Pranab just gave a free pass to Pakistan. Any one wants to guess what Pakistan's response to India's request to handover terrorists is going to be - I wouldn't bet anything on it.
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Complete details about the girlie-boy
The man in the photo was born on July 13, 1987 at Faridkot village in Dipalpur tehsil of Okara district in Pakistan’s Punjab province. His family belongs to the underprivileged Qasai caste. His father, Mohammad Amir Iman, runs a dahi-puri snack cart. His mother, Noori Tai, is a homemaker.

Iman is the third of the family’s five children. His 25-year-old brother, Afzal, lives near the Yadgar Minar in Lahore. His sister, Rukaiyya Husain, 22, is married locally. Iman’s younger siblings, 14-year-old Suraiyya and 11-year-old Munir, live at home. {ISI would have shifted all these people somewhere already and warned the villagers to pretend ignorance}

Iman’s desperately poor family could not afford to keep their second son, an indifferent student, at the Government Primary School in Faridkot past the fourth grade. He was pulled out of school in 2000, at the age of 13, and went to live with his older brother in Lahore. Afzal, who lives in a tenement near the Yadgar Minar in Lahore, eked out a living on a labourer’s wages, and could barely afford to look after his brother. For the next several years, Iman shuttled between the homes of his brother and parents.

Adrift

After a row with his parents in 2005, Iman left home, determined never to return. No longer welcome in Afzal’s home, he stayed at the shrine of the saint Syed Ali Hajveri until he could pick up some work. He began working as a labourer and by 2007 his work brought in Rs. 200 a day. Iman, however, found the work degrading. He soon began spending time with small-time criminals in Lahore. Along with a friend, a one-time Attock resident named Muzaffar Lal Khan, Iman decided to launch a new career in armed robbery.

On Bakr Eid day in 2007, Iman has told the Mumbai Police, the two men made their way to the Raja bazaar in Rawalpindi, hoping to purchase weapons. In the market, they saw activists for the Jamaat-ud-Dawa — the parent political organisation of the Lashkar-e-Taiba — handing out pamphlets and posters about the organisation and its activities. After a discussion lasting a few minutes, Iman claims, both men decided to join — not because of their Islamist convictions but in the hope that the jihad training they would receive would further their future life in crime.

A life in Lashkar


But at the Lashkar’s base camp, Markaz Taiba, Iman’s world view began to change. Films on India’s purported atrocities in Kashmir, and fiery lectures by preachers, including Lashkar chief Hafiz Mohammad Saeed, led him to believe that the Lashkar’s cause — the greater glory of Islam, as the organisation presented it — was worth giving his life to. It is possible, an official involved in the interrogation suggested, that the atmosphere of the camp gave him the sense of family he had lacked for much of his life.

When he returned home for a two-month break after his indoctrination at the Lashkar base camp, he found a respectability within his community and family that had eluded him most of his life. Where Iman had earlier been seen as a burden, he was now self-sufficient — and bore the halo of religious piety.

Later that year, Iman was chosen for the Lashkar’s basic combat course, the Daura Aam. He performed well and was among a small group of 32 men selected to undergo advanced training at a camp near Manshera, a course the organisation calls the Daura Khaas. Finally, he was among an even smaller group selected for specialised marine commando and navigation training given to the fidayeen unit selected to target Mumbai.

According to Iman, Lashkar military commander Zaki-ur-Rahman Lakhvi promised that his family would be rewarded with Rs. 1.5 lakh for his sacrifice.
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Some interesting articles on the Mumbai terror incident: http://counterterrorismblog.org/2008/12 ... wood_i.php

Also heard an israeli expert Daveed Gartenstein-Ross on the John and Ken show (KFI, AM640) - he made many interesting points on why there is no doubt that this is the hand of ISI and how LeT is just another arm of the ISI. He went into how the army and ISI run the country and that the civil govt of pakistan is just a farce. He was also saying that these blasts were done most likely in retaliation to the pakistani govts (zardari's?) announcement a few weeks ago that they will start looking into disbanding some ISI personnel. (does anyone have any articles about this?) he and the other hosts were saying that india has every right to take action against pakistan, now that it has been established that the terrorists came from there. (they basically put it as, who are we to tell india not to send their jets into pakistan when we went guns blazing after 9/11). The only loop hole is that pakistani govt will claim that it did not authorize this (which is a true statement given that ISI operates outside the control of the civilian govt). He was also confident that india would not actually go to war with pakistan because that would likely result in the paki civilian govt getting toppled over and the military once again taking defacto and dejure rule of the country -- which is ultimately a bad thing for india.

He said that this kind of a thing could also happen in the US. But most likely the number of casualties will be limited in all major cities (la, new york, etc) because of the presence of SWAT teams. He said that if terrorists were to strike the US, they would probably choose some mid western cities to maximize casualties instead of:
1) smaller bible belt cities which will be a suicide mission because the citizens are all armed to the teeth
2) major cities where the citizens are "soft" but they will face highly trained, well armed quick response units like the SWAT teams
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initial reports was claiming piggy boy spoke fluent angrezi. how does this
4th pass robber-cum-lashkari pick up clipped lahori angrezi?

I still feel he is using his counter-interrogation training to lead people up
the garden path. his is not the look or walk of the typical shalwar clad
lashkari grad.

my intuition says he is the product of a educated family, now trying to
hide as a illiterate and tier-5 type to escape further questioning.
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There are lotsa holes in Qasab's story. He now says they partied in mumbai the night before with 100kgs of chicken. So what abt the daring boat trip?
Singha is right, he is trying to mislead. Some more treatment is needed
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Singha wrote:initial reports was claiming piggy boy spoke fluent angrezi. how does this
4th pass robber-cum-lashkari pick up clipped lahori angrezi?

I still feel he is using his counter-interrogation training to lead people up
the garden path. his is not the look or walk of the typical shalwar clad
lashkari grad.

my intuition says he is the product of a educated family, now trying to
hide as a illiterate and tier-5 type to escape further questioning.
I think its to reinforce the stereo-type that poor people turn to terror when oppressed by the majority of the rich yindoos.

Its a perfect latch for the western media and the indian psecs.

Version 2.0 of Girly-Pig (would probably hit Banglore IT or Delhi Admin) would be coming with a suicide belt and a booby trap, so that if the crowd start lynching the dude he can explode himself out of the situation. The design of that suicide belt is gonna be tough.. coz it should not explode in case of bullet damage, but i am sure the mullahs would figure that one out.

BTW: Pranab's statement on military confrontation with Pak, has made me give up all hopes. We are going down in flames guys... we are gonna go down in flames big time... the future looks really bleak. And the link below confirms it:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/dec/02m ... raiser.htm
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singha.. possible the walk and look has changed after military training.. no confirmed report that he is talking in clipped oxbridge accent!!

similarly no report on the slain terrorists.. Is it very hard to ID persons...??
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I wish they'd issue gun permits to all who desire. I would go for a compact and reliable revolver...some chance atleast vs zero placing my faith in the Govt.

the 100kg chicken theory has been debunked by the owner of the meat shop. the jihad gang never bought this quantity from there. it was the
rabbi who used to buy 60-70kg of chicken on a weekly basis to feed the
people visiting his center. he used to kill them himself per kosher norms!
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ss_roy wrote:I think an updated Indian version of the M-1 Carbine (Not the M-1 Garand) would be a good inexpensive replacement for the currently issued, accurate but unwieldy, .303 rifles. We could chamber it for a cheaper/more widely used caliber like the .357 Magnum (revolver ammo). The single biggest advantage of this weapon over a rifle caliber (even the .223 NATO) would be the lower potential to bust the unprotected user's eardrum when used in in enclosed spaces (surprise attacks in rooms, tunnels, etc).

The updated reverse engineered weapon would be a short barrel (18-24 inch) semi-automatic carbine that could put 20-30 rounds (10-12g bullets) with a time tested action at around 1800-1900 ft/s (pistol rounds develop much higher velocities in carbine length weapons). I think it would defeat standard issue body armor (NIJ Type 2 or maybe even Type 3A) upto 200 feet, with minimum bullet drop upto 500 feet. It should not be too hard to reverse engineer and improve an 80 year old weapon.

Or we could just produce a robust and longer barreled versions of the MP-5 chambered in for the .357 magnum. Either way, you get a lighter and more versatile urban carbine.
the most cost-effective replacement for the .303 is the SLR or the 1A1 Ichapore, some hundreds of thousands of which are going to be discarded by the paramil and the army.

it is a fact that the Indian urban scenario rarely requires the use of firearms. gun control is still very strict.

the ATS and QRT teams however require something fully automatic like the MP-5 and the AK.
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the FN-FAL sure is a heavy and powerful weapon, but I wonder if its useful
for combating urban terrorism? a 1/semi-auto carbine or even INSAS looks better to me. why not just setup more production for INSAS and equip
state armed police with those?

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meantime fatkat Chopraji attracts heavy fire.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122809544395968075.html

Deepak Blames America
The media look within to explain the sick delusions of the Mumbai killers.
By DOROTHY RABINOWITZ

If the Mumbai terror assault seemed exceptional, and shocking in its targets, it was clear from the Thanksgiving Day reports that we weren't going to be deprived of the familiar, either. Namely, ruminations, hints, charges of American culpability that regularly accompany catastrophes of this kind.

Soon enough, there was Deepak Chopra, healer, New Age philosopher and digestion guru, advocate of aromatherapy and regular enemas, holding forth on CNN on the meaning of the attacks.

How the ebullient Dr. Chopra had come to be chosen as an authority on terror remains something of a mystery, though the answer may have something to do with his emergence in the recent presidential campaign as a thinker of advanced political views. Also commending him, perhaps, is his well known capacity to cut through all sorts of complexities to make matters simple. No one can fail to grasp the wisdom of a man who has informed us that "If you have happy thoughts, then you make happy molecules."

In his CNN interview, he was no less clear. What happened in Mumbai, he told the interviewer, was a product of the U.S. war on terrorism, that "our policies, our foreign policies" had alienated the Muslim population, that we had "gone after the wrong people" and inflamed moderates. And "that inflammation then gets organized and appears as this disaster in Bombay."

All this was a bit too much, evidently, for CNN interviewer Jonathan Mann, who interrupted to note that there were other things going on -- matters like the ongoing bitter Pakistan-India struggle over Kashmir -- which had caused so much terror and so much violence. "That's not Washington's fault," he pointed out.

Given an argument, the guest, ever a conciliator, agreed: The Mumbai catastrophe was not Washington's fault, it was everybody's fault. Which didn't prevent Dr. Chopra from returning soon to his central theme -- the grave offense posed to Muslims by the United States' war on terror, a point accompanied by consistent emphatic reminders that Muslims are the world's fastest growing population -- 25% of the globe's inhabitants -- and that the U.S. had better heed that fact. In Dr. Chopra's moral universe, numbers are apparently central. It's tempting to imagine his view of offenses against a much smaller sliver of the world's inhabitants -- not so offensive, perhaps?

Two subsequent interviews with Larry King brought much of the same -- a litany of suggestions about the role the U.S. had played in fueling assaults by Muslim terrorists, reminders of the numbers of Muslims in the world and their grievances. A faithful adherent of the root-causes theory of crime -- mass murder, in the case at hand -- Dr. Chopra pointed out, quite unnecessarily, that most of the terrorism in the world came from Muslims. It was mandatory, then, to address their grievances -- "humiliation," "poverty," "lack of education." The U.S., he recommended, should undertake a Marshall Plan for Muslims.

Nowhere in this citation of the root causes of Muslim terrorism was there any mention of Islamic fundamentalism -- the religious fanaticism that has sent fevered mobs rioting, burning and killing over alleged slights to the Quran or the prophet. Not to mention the countless others enlisted to blow themselves and others up in the name of God.


Nor did we hear, in these media meditations, any particular expression of sorrow from the New Delhi-born Dr. Chopra for the anguish of Mumbai's victims: a striking lack, no doubt unintentional, but not surprising, either. For advocates of the root-causes theory of crime, the central story is, ever, the sorrows and grievances of the perpetrators.
For those prone to the belief that most eruptions of evil in the world can be traced to American influence and power there is only one subject of consequence.

Accustomed as we are by now to this view of the U.S., it's impossible not to marvel at its varied guises -- its capacity to emerge even in journalism ostensibly concerning the absurd beliefs about the 9/11 attacks held by so many Muslims. It's conventional wisdom in the region -- according to a New York Times dispatch from Cairo, Egypt, last fall by Michael Slackman -- that the U.S. and Israel had to have been involved in the planning, if not the actual execution of the assaults. No news there. Neither was the information that there was virtually universal belief in the area that Jews, tipped off, didn't go to work at the World Trade Center that day. Or that the U.S. had organized the plot in order to attack Arab Muslims and gain access to their oil.

The noteworthy point here was the writer's conclusion that the U.S. itself was to blame for the power of these beliefs. "It is easy for Americans to dismiss such thinking as bizarre," Mr. Slackman allowed. But that would miss the point that the persistence of these ideas represents the "first failure in the fight against terrorism." A U.S. failure? Nowhere in the extended list of root causes here was there any mention of the fanaticism and sheer mindless gullibility that is the prerequisite for the holding of such beliefs.

Its very ordinariness speaks volumes about this report. A piece written with evident serenity, the perversity of its conclusions notwithstanding, it's one emblem among many of the adversarial view of the nation that is today entrenched in the culture. So unworthy is the U.S. -- an attitude solidly established in our media culture long before the war on terror -- that only it can be held responsible for the deranged fantasies cherished in large quarters of the Arab world. So natural does it feel, now, to hold such views that their expression has become second nature.

Which is how it happens also that the U.S. is linked to the bloodletting in Mumbai, with scarcely anyone batting an eye, and Larry King -- awash perhaps, in happy molecules -- thanking guest Dr. Chopra for his extraordinary enlightenment.

Ms. Rabinowitz is a member of The Wall Street Journal's editorial board.
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Pak responds, summons Indian high commissioner

Different day same S***. The cycle repeats itself.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 781674.cms

Pranab say no military action, now this. Can somebody show some balls ? I think we as Indians do not deserve the freedoms we have.
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The arrested terrorist guy is certainly confusing the interrogators. I doubt if even the truth serum will work on him. He was earlier variously identified as Qasab or Kamaal and now that has changed to Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman. Earlier, he was attributed to speak English fluently but now he has not even passed Grade 4 and was a labourer in Lahore. Forget about clipped upper lip stiff English, such guys cannot speak a word in English. Even a year's training cannot change that fact if (as he claims) he was still in Grade 4 at the age of 13 ! His demeanour didn't appear to be a labourer anyway. I am reminded of Kathwari's son getting his 72+28 in Kashmir.
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Possible Scenario of McCain + 3 Senators + Rice landing here in a matter of one week + Madeline Albright calling ISI Migrane.

ISI funding Taliban + LeT --> LeT used against India; Tali used against Unkil and his poodle (UK).

I guess everyone is uniformly pissed about ISI and hence there would be very rational demands to dismantle it. Zardari gave into some of that pressure by trying to do away with the political wing of the ISI before the Mumbai attacks. I am sure it would be 100% unsuccessful. It shows the disconnect between the TSPA and GoP.

The only way to deal with this threat is to have GoP try to control the Army/ISI which will cause a coup (very likely) or assasinations (unlikely). Most likely result would be that GoP fails, the Taliban cancer spreads in ISI/Puki Army and eats RAPE alive and unkil and poodle will have to ask India to get in OR just get out of Afghanistan with whatever they have. In any case it would be our problem to deal with coz Mullah+WMD is not a good thing. If GoI shows the weak knees and does a GUBO in that occassion it would be a sad sight to see, and we will see Mumbai skyline burned by nuclear radiation.

Hope there is something that i have not thought about which will avert this situation.
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Time and again, the ball-less wonders prove their incompetence and impotence..
Go 'pro-terrorist' congress party.
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tsarkar wrote:Some quick thoughts –

1. There was talk of NSG given its air wing –

In my view, highly impractical, as the logistics burden of operating and maintaining the aircraft would be overwhelming for the NSG. There is no guarantee that terrorists cannot discern the time of routine maintenance of the aircraft and choosing those specific days for the attack.

It’s always better to use IAF resources. IAF transport squadrons will always have readily available planes from its squadron strength. In addition, C-130s will enter service in some years.
for simple transportation from A to B for which no specialised aircraft or training(for the pilots) will be required, the IAF can simply station one or two aircraft and a couple of crews at the nearest airport/airbase which would be rotated from time to time.

for mission specific requirements like the helicopter however I think IAF should provide units on permanent deputation with the personnel in longish stints of at least 3-4 years so that the air crew can train with the SF men on a regular basis.
I would guess that there's a particular unit/flight already doing this with the NSG at Delhi.

anyone knows which helicopter unit the Mi-17 belonged to ?
2. There was talk of NSG groups being deployed in various cities –

In my view, highly impractical. Such Quick Reaction Teams need to comprise of locals.
.............
This was the reason J&K police SOG was created. Its time to expand the concept across states. Its better if NSG acts as a regimental center for state Quick Reaction Forces. NSG directing staff comprised of veterans of J&K/NE operations will train company/battalion strength state forces at regimental HQ. States will depute personnel from their armed battalions – Eg Maharashtra SRPF, UP PAC, etc. Standardized training will bring state forces up to par. Post training state forces will be sent back to their home states to establish QRTs. NSG will also conduct regular exercises and regularly assess competency. Home Ministry & States to be flagged if competency of any state QRT falls below acceptable levels.
as far as I understood, the local NSG forces will be drawn from defence personnel stationed in the parent state of the NSG esque unit.

that should alleviate some of the local liasion problem
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SSridhar wrote:The arrested terrorist guy is certainly confusing the interrogators. I doubt if even the truth serum will work on him. He was earlier variously identified as Qasab or Kamaal and now that has changed to Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman. Earlier, he was attributed to speak English fluently but now he has not even passed Grade 4 and was a labourer in Lahore. Forget about clipped upper lip stiff English, such guys cannot speak a word in English. Even a year's training cannot change that fact if (as he claims) he was still in Grade 4 at the age of 13 ! His demeanour didn't appear to be a labourer anyway. I am reminded of Kathwari's son getting his 72+28 in Kashmir.

Can someone in Mah. Police catch the MoFo who is leaking the interrogation details and stuff lathi up his butt so that no leaks are possible.
The same assholes leaked the Malegoan blasts investigation.
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the FN-FAL sure is a heavy and powerful weapon, but I wonder if its useful
for combating urban terrorism? a 1/semi-auto carbine or even INSAS looks better to me. why not just setup more production for INSAS and equip
state armed police with those?
FN-FAL will be more than enough for most Indian cities/towns. I was talking of replacing ALL .303 and to do that with INSAS everywhere is waaay overkill.

No regular police force in the world gets that kind of weapons.

For high risk cities like delhi,mumbai, gauhati and bangalore it may be feasible.
I shudder to think what our famed kolkata armed police would do with it ! :shock:


But the ATS/STF type teams surely require weapons like AKs and MP-5's.
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The man in the photo was born on July 13, 1987 at Faridkot village in Dipalpur tehsil of Okara district in Pakistan’s Punjab province. His family belongs to the underprivileged Qasai caste.
Well, well.. I didnt know caste existed among the denizens of the land of the pure. And here we see that the ISI sends a qasai to do a qasais job!

FYI: Qasai is urdu for "Butcher".
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self deleted. just a rant.
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/s ... taiba.html

Steve Coll, in the New Yorker on LeT, Pak and Terrorism in India. He is one of the American commentators who "gets" it right.
We rode in a van to the river’s edge, scrambled down a rocky hillside and boarded one of Lashkar’s rubber pontoon boats, about fifteen feet long, with a large outboard motor—useful for carrying relief supplies, but not coincidentally, also useful for infiltrating militants into Indian-held Kashmir. It has long been an open secret, and a source of some hilarity among foreign correspondents, that under the guise of “humanitarian relief operations,” Lashkar practiced amphibious operations on a lake at its vast headquarters campus, outside Lahore. The events in Mumbai have taken the humor of these “humanitarian” rehearsals away.
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McCain is doing a stop over at Delhi on his way to BD to pay condolences. Nothing more to it.
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klein wrote:Pak responds, summons Indian high commissioner
I was expecting this. Pakistan's past behaviour has been similar even under far more adverse conditions. For a country that can put the gun inside its own mouth and demand favours from others, no situation is threatening to it and indeed they are all opportunities. Pakistan has every reason therefore to up the ante as reckless behaviour has only brought it dividends. This shows that the iron hand of the PA over rules pious plattitudes of the civilian democratic dispensation (even assuming that their original responses were genuine).
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On the topic of confusing disclosure by the militant -- why assume there is only one Pig (with due apology to the animal) in custody.
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milindc wrote:
SSridhar wrote:The arrested terrorist guy is certainly confusing the interrogators. I doubt if even the truth serum will work on him. He was earlier variously identified as Qasab or Kamaal and now that has changed to Mohammad Ajmal Amir Iman. Earlier, he was attributed to speak English fluently but now he has not even passed Grade 4 and was a labourer in Lahore. Forget about clipped upper lip stiff English, such guys cannot speak a word in English. Even a year's training cannot change that fact if (as he claims) he was still in Grade 4 at the age of 13 ! His demeanour didn't appear to be a labourer anyway. I am reminded of Kathwari's son getting his 72+28 in Kashmir.

Can someone in Mah. Police catch the MoFo who is leaking the interrogation details and stuff lathi up his butt so that no leaks are possible.
The same assholes leaked the Malegoan blasts investigation.
I still have some hope left in the people on the ground (as opposed to politicians of all hues). The leaks could be a deliberate psy-ops ploy. You can be sure that ISI is filtering every single piece of information coming out with a fine tooth comb.

And what better way to confuse them than by showing that the Indian investigators are clueless? I don't think a terrorist who was sent on a suicide mission would be such a super high value asset that he has the training, aka James Bond, of resisting truth serum and narco analysis. If he had he wouldn't have been caught alive because he lost his nerve.

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Why is overt war the only possible solution?

why not covert action?
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Vivek_A wrote:Why is overt war the only possible solution?

why not covert action?
No political will for either.... ball-less wonders we all are!
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Covert action will be useless, we can never be as ruthless as the ISI and can't be invloved in the drugs trade like them.

Besides with no covert action we get accused of all sorts oiof things. Covert action and our own media will rip us apart.

My firm view is the level of violence that it will take to reform Pakistani society cannot be done by India or anyone else. Only the Paki's can do the level of Barabaric violence which will get them to reform themselves.

I think it is the duty of every Indian to wage economic warfare gainst Pakistanis.
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amit wrote:
milindc wrote:
Can someone in Mah. Police catch the MoFo who is leaking the interrogation details and stuff lathi up his butt so that no leaks are possible.
The same assholes leaked the Malegoan blasts investigation.
I still have some hope left in the people on the ground (as opposed to politicians of all hues). The leaks could be a deliberate psy-ops ploy. You can be sure that ISI is filtering every single piece of information coming out with a fine tooth comb.

And what better way to confuse them than by showing that the Indian investigators are clueless? I don't think a terrorist who was sent on a suicide mission would be such a super high value asset that he has the training, aka James Bond, of resisting truth serum and narco analysis. If he had he wouldn't have been caught alive because he lost his nerve.

JMT.
Amit,
That's a tall hope. Sorry to be blunt, but the incompetence of Mah. Police is for everyone to see. It starts from the top, it was ridiculous the way AN Roy was blabbering during the attack. The idiot was completely helpless and the only way he responded was release inane comments to media.
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Re: Terror Attacks in Mumbai - III

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OT.
Shivji I have copy and paste one of you post regarding
Major(Late) Sandeep, on another website, hope you don't mind.
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TSP now offering joint investigation

There is a Tamil proverb which translates into "Asking for the route to a destination which one doesn't intend to travel anyway"
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If we want to see some concrete action against pukiland , we must start kicking congress where it hurts it most . The super prime minister must be held responsible and accountable for this. There should be plenty of Sonia bashing in the media , then only we can see some action.
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Image

The Skoda encounter - in pics (quite clear unlike the video)

http://ibnlive.in.com/mumbaiattack/phot ... d=1131&n=0
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Times now reporting that Pranab denies saying no military action. Says mil option open. Not that I am for a war, but I want Pukistan sh*t scared, which it is ( even if Zaid Hamid postures otherwise).
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