Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

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Postby Chinmayanand » 10 Feb 2009 11:31

Pak must directly respond to Mumbai dossier: India
Pakistan should not confuse but act: Anand Sharma
No doubt, 26/11 planned in Pak: Chidambaram

GoI should declare its impotency or treachery , whatever it has that stops it from attacking pakistan.Now , people are getting sick of these impotent and cowardly statements. GoI should either take action or just shut up. The politicians should be robbed of their security cover and the armed forces be dismantled.If not meant to use it, why spend billions on it? Or Indian forces just meant for Republic Day parade ?
Just like pakistan specialises in spreading terror , GoI specialises in doing bla bla onlee ... :(( :(( :((

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby IndraD » 10 Feb 2009 11:36

Looks like ISI has got many sleeping agents inside our country, which would be used for blasts in the event of a war which would never happen... :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby sum » 10 Feb 2009 14:11

IndraD wrote:Looks like ISI has got many sleeping agents inside our country, which would be used for blasts in the event of a war which would never happen... :mrgreen:

There is no doubt that it is one of Indian planners biggest fears.

Even Brahma Chellany had mentioned that there are so many Paki spies around that even a small movement in any base is known to the Pakis in real time. Also, Pakis may try something like the Godhra stunt done during Op Parakram to divert Indian attention and cause internal instability.

Blatant vote banking has brought India to its knees and is making it look like a pu$$y in front of the world with impotent statement after statement being issued with no follow up action.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby RajeshA » 10 Feb 2009 15:14



The way to fight Al Qaida is the George W. Bush way, only it has to be more Bushy and Pushy than him. Pakistan actually pulled American will to fight terror into the quicksand.

If Al Qaida hits you, you hit back, and you hit back with major bombs at the sanctuaries. You hit at all centers providing charity to Islamic causes and not looking for accountability where their money is being spent.

If Al Qaida can hit at innocent people in democratic countries claiming, that they were the ones who put the politicians in charge, who are responsible for anti-Islamic policies and the rest of the victimization BS, then democracies can also hold all the Muslims accountable who give to these charities, where ever they are.

All this legal accountability of the individual is big time crap. An individual can be held responsible for his deeds as an individual only in societies, where individuality, individual's rights and individual's responsibilities have taken hold. In Islamic countries, there exists no individuals, it is all community and family-based. So if any Al Qaida terrorist decides to bomb Indians, then their families should also feel the pain, regardless of where they live in the world. If the terrorists bomb the monuments and institutions of our state, democracy and society, then India would have to come around and bomb the monuments and institutions of their faiths. If some faith goes to war with India, then all those of that faith, would have to make a decision, where they stand, with respect to their loyalties and identities. There is going to be no half-way.

That is why, either the Muslims in India rise up and cleanse themselves of this Wahhabi, Salafist, Takrifi, Deobandi, Islamofascist Al Qaida $hit, or India will have cleanse itself of all those infected with it.

The Muslims in India can start by purging all Arab influences from Indian Islam. Separate the Holy Qu'ran from its Arab background. If one thinks that the Holy Qu'ran is the word of God, then take it and keep it, but what is the need for having to accept the whole history of the Middle East starting from the travails of the Prophet as part and parcel of Indian Islam? What is the need to accept all the Chadors and Burqas from Arab culture? I would even ask, what is the need to have Arabic names as the names of Indian Muslims. The Prophet's work was to receive the word of God and put that into writing, for the world to profit from it. He did it, and the Indian Muslims can take it. But what is the need to remember who his Uncles and Nephews were. Let us remember those Pirs and Sufis, who taught Islam with the spirit that embodies Indian Ethos. They are certainly a part of Indian Islam. The languages that were created by the confluence of Muslim invaders and the natives, like Urdu, are certainly part of Indian Islam. The Islamic Architecture dotting India is certainly part of Indian Islam. The many Muslims who have been Sultans and Shehenshahs in India are certainly part of Indian Islam. All the Muslims, who have contributed to the making of the nation, be it Culture or Politics or Sports, are certainly part of Indian Islam. Let the Indian Muslims keep the Qu'ran and all that is Indian and Islamic, and throw away the rest back at the barbarians. With a cleansed Indian Islam, India can better face the enemy of Al Qaida.

The time is approaching fast.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby sum » 10 Feb 2009 22:28

comment in rediff:


India's response
by S G on Feb 10, 2009 10:24 PM Permalink | Hide replies

India: all options are open.

Pakistan: The crime was committed by non state actors.

India: all options are open.

Pakistan: Screw you, India.

India: all options are open.

Pakistan: Dont you dare attack us!

India: all options are open

Pakistan: we will conduct our own probe

India: All options are open...

Pakistan: Our investigation will take more time.

India: all options are open.


....and so the story continues...

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Postby Aditya G » 10 Feb 2009 23:10

Hi, a request. I am looking for a certain infographic from one of the news websites showing India's various options for strike against Pakistan. Can anyone find the same? Thanks

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby VinodTK » 11 Feb 2009 07:24

Cross Posting from Indian Army Discussion thread

It's official - India is not ready for war

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby John Snow » 11 Feb 2009 08:32

The Asia times correspondent is a commie :wink:
Nearly 90% OF are bunch of losing propositions who cant make even shells for the guns we have, let alone AK-47 rounds or guns we import from Bulgaria Romania etc.

There is no vision, no leadership, or plain balls. The IA brass is also hand in glove with babus in this mess, no spine.
Yes war is expensive has become the motto of IA shaibs.

Mera Bharat Mahan

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby jrjrao » 11 Feb 2009 08:37

Paki sources tell the WSJ that "most of the gunmen involved in last year's attacks in Mumbai were Pakistani".
FEBRUARY 10, 2009
Pakistan Delays a Report on Its Mumbai Investigation
By ZAHID HUSSAIN in Islamabad and MATTHEW ROSENBERG in New Delhi

Pakistan has found that most of the gunmen involved in last year's attacks in Mumbai were Pakistani but needs more evidence from India to try the suspects it has in custody, officials in Islamabad said.

Authorities in Pakistan who have been investigating links between its citizens and the attack had been expected to issue their findings Monday. Instead, the government said it needs more evidence from India to proceed.

"Without substantial evidence from India it will be exceedingly difficult to complete the investigation and proceed with the case," the defense committee of Pakistan's cabinet said in a statement.

The delay in issuing the probe's findings appears to reflect a conflict within Pakistan's government and its security services about how far the country should go in acknowledging the role Pakistanis played in the November gun-and-grenade rampage that left 171 people dead, including nine gunmen.

While many Pakistani officials are eager to satisfy international demands for a complete crackdown on the alleged culprits, they also don't want to be seen as caving to India.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123420443348764613.html

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 11 Feb 2009 08:45

John Snow wrote:The Asia times correspondent is a commie :wink:
Nearly 90% OF are bunch of losing propositions who cant make even shells for the guns we have, let alone AK-47 rounds or guns we import from Bulgaria Romania etc.

There is no vision, no leadership, or plain balls. The IA brass is also hand in glove with babus in this mess, no spine.
Yes war is expensive has become the motto of IA shaibs.

Mera Bharat Mahan


That guy writes regularly for Silconeer which is a Leftist or EJ rag from Silicon Valley.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Prem » 11 Feb 2009 08:59

John Snow wrote:The Asia times correspondent is a commie :wink:
Nearly 90% OF are bunch of losing propositions who cant make even shells for the guns we have, let alone AK-47 rounds or guns we import from Bulgaria Romania etc.
Mera Bharat Mahan


So you are saying no conventional war , onlee Nuke can be used on the terrorist buggers. :twisted:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby RajeshA » 11 Feb 2009 22:26

'Show me the real evidence' by Shobhaa Dé: Times of India

She should have used pigs instead of dogs.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Baljeet » 12 Feb 2009 02:47

Sum
Bottom line: Despite what many might say, we have goofed up big time after 26/11.


Most members knew about it once paki hand was established. Many members have said it bluntly including "Yours Truly". This is India, Nothing changes here, Politicians live in safe for me world, bollywood lives in make believe world, rest of the nation must endure the death and destruction of their loved ones.

I agree with few members, this thread should be locked or we can keep it open, in that case rename this thread to , "India--Butt of Jokes" or "Coward nation India" or "All Talk no Action--Story of Indian Nation"

there are so many.........

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 12 Feb 2009 02:56

Its already renamed from Indian Response thread to Indian Non-Response thread. So do you want another name change? Let it be in the balck sawn case that the GOI is forced to act.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby John Snow » 12 Feb 2009 07:19

The alarming thing is

FM Shitty Bitty says something

Boot Polish MKN NSA says something

COAS Kappor sayss we are ready

MD/RM Antony says Not not ready You too Brute.


This is why no leadership
No vision
No action
No end game
Only be kicked on the butt by 10 motivated Terrorists supported by a motivated ISI and state

Where is RAW in the samosa party I guess. :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby sanjaykumar » 12 Feb 2009 07:40

Baljeet, if you were Manmohan Singh, what would you do?

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby John Snow » 12 Feb 2009 07:42

Dont insult Baljeet please

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Postby kasthuri » 12 Feb 2009 07:56

John Snow wrote:The alarming thing is

FM Shitty Bitty says something

Boot Polish MKN NSA says something

COAS Kappor sayss we are ready

MD/RM Antony says Not not ready You too Brute.


This is why no leadership
No vision
No action
No end game
Only be kicked on the butt by 10 motivated Terrorists supported by a motivated ISI and state

Where is RAW in the samosa party I guess. :mrgreen:


In between PC squeaks something...And the funny thing is PC is criticizing that Modi is speaking with a different agenda!

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby nishug » 12 Feb 2009 08:03

“The Mujahideen will sunder your (India’s) armies into the ground, like they did to the Russians in Afghanistan,”Al-Yazid, reported killed in Pakistan’s Bajaur region in August 2008, warned in the Arabic video.


don't worry, we will not give them a chance to sunder our army into ground... we will not indulge in any such misadventure :twisted: :lol:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby rahulranjan » 12 Feb 2009 11:56

.. And the story continues ...

We will eliminate cross-border terrorism, says Pranab Mukherjee

A day after Pak said yet again that it will respond to the 26/11 terror dossier soon, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee sent another straight warning to them that cross-border terrorism will not be tolerated. He addressed the media today and vowed that the nation is fighting against terrorism in its full capacity. He said, "We will spare no efforts to end cross-border terrorism and to deal with terrorists responsible for such gruesome attacks on India." Ensuring that the government is taking enough measusres to curb terrorism, he added, "The govt has sought to adhere to issues of internal security, which has been a matter of concern for India."

I really wonder how these babus have matured in Ping pong talk ...its really amazing.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Dilbu » 12 Feb 2009 15:26

Satyagraha at Muridke seems to be the only option left for MMS & Co. Guarantees pat in the back from western uncles and aunties. But who will go there and do the actual satyagaraha? uh ho.. back to all options open onlee. :roll:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby sum » 12 Feb 2009 15:32

Dilbu wrote:Satyagraha at Muridke seems to be the only option left for MMS & Co. Guarantees pat in the back from western uncles and aunties. But who will go there and do the actual satyagaraha? uh ho.. back to all options open onlee. :roll:

:D
How about a human chain of all the Indian embassy staff just like the Chinese encountered our IA boys holding hands and warding them off in the Tawang sector?

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Postby Chinmayanand » 12 Feb 2009 16:00

Dilbu wrote:Satyagraha at Muridke seems to be the only option left for MMS & Co. Guarantees pat in the back from western uncles and aunties. But who will go there and do the actual satyagaraha? uh ho.. back to all options open onlee. :roll:


Who better than Sonia,Rahul,Priyanka and Robert ? Maybe Vrinda karat,Renuka chaudhary ,Sitaram yechury,Sharad Pawar,Paswan,Laloo,Mani Shankar Aiyar etc can join them too ...Forgot to add Mulla Mulayam ... :mrgreen:
Hell , there are plenty ...maybe the entire parliament...

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Anabhaya » 12 Feb 2009 17:06

What can you mail MMS to remind him of his timid response? Anklets worn by mujra dancers?

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Pranay » 12 Feb 2009 17:13

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7885261.stm

a few details on the pakistani response...

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby enqyoob » 12 Feb 2009 17:15

How about handing over a Petition at the Wagah border crossing? Use words like "terminologically inexact" and "dossier". THAT should terrify the Pakistan Army! :shock:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby NRao » 12 Feb 2009 18:59

NYTimes :: Pakistan Announces Arrests for Mumbai Attacks

Pakistan acknowledged for the first time in public on Thursday that parts of the murderous Mumbai terror attacks were planned on its soil and said six new suspects were being held, including “the main operator.”

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Postby sum » 12 Feb 2009 19:06

Times NOW reporting that intelligence "sources" have indicated that all the big guns are directly under ISI protection and are not even being allowed to be touched by the FIA. Only a few small fry are being left to face the Paki biryani in police guesthouses.

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Postby CRamS » 12 Feb 2009 19:18

durgesh wrote:
Dilbu wrote:Satyagraha at Muridke seems to be the only option left for MMS & Co. Guarantees pat in the back from western uncles and aunties. But who will go there and do the actual satyagaraha? uh ho.. back to all options open onlee. :roll:


Who better than Sonia,Rahul,Priyanka and Robert ? Maybe Vrinda karat,Renuka chaudhary ,Sitaram yechury,Sharad Pawar,Paswan,Laloo,Mani Shankar Aiyar etc can join them too ...Forgot to add Mulla Mulayam ... :mrgreen:
Hell , there are plenty ...maybe the entire parliament...


And don't forget, The khans from Bollywood along with beauties like shilpa, urmila, Preeti (and she is the daughter of some big gun in Indian military) etc providing the entertainment that TSP so craves. This should do the trick :-).

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Anabhaya » 12 Feb 2009 19:45

IBN finds half a dozen 'loyal' babus. All of them agree that this is a 'good' start and a 'victory' for Indian diplomacy. :rotfl:

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Postby surinder » 12 Feb 2009 21:38

Baljeet wrote:Most members knew about it once paki hand was established. Many members have said it bluntly including "Yours Truly". This is India, Nothing changes here, Politicians live in safe for me world, bollywood lives in make believe world, rest of the nation must endure the death and destruction of their loved ones.


I disaggree with the bolded part. There only a few lakh Indian aam admi who are affected by terror (those killed, and their loved ones) care about it. It does not look that the rest of the nation (99.9% of the aam admi) cares about those affected. If they did, they would use the ballots that A1lha in his mercy has given them. They don't.

How does it go? When they came for the Kashmiri pundits, I didn't care because I was not one. When they came for the Mumbaikers, I didn't care because I was not one of them. When they came for the Lucknow Lawyers, I didn't care because I was not one of them. Now I am forced to say the namaaz, and there is no one to take care of me.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Duangkomon » 12 Feb 2009 22:04

I had this feeling that Indian response to Mumbai terror would define India for the future generations. Now its clear that Indian non response will define India for the future generations.

There is something fundamentally or mentally lacking in this country. You have a political class that has nothing but contempt for its citizens. A babucracy and military engaged in everything else except in the one and only purpose they are meant for, developing and protecting the country and doing whatever it takes to achieve it. Every other nation has leaders with fire in their belly and a heart beating madly for their country. India has Pranab who is increasingly acting as the Paki foreign minister. "India will not attack Pakistan." "No extradition to India, Pakistan will try them in their courts". His apologetic stance towards the mad dog Milliband says more about him as a person and a leader which is a disgrace for a country of billion people. Mccain told Pakis MMS was shaking with anger when they had their meeting which seems to be the only meaningful response MMS is capable of, impotent rage. I believed it's these delusional geriatrics that are responsible for this paralysis but I'm starting to think the younger ones are no better either, they are in their own la la land to give a damn about their country.

Maybe like some people here be thankful for the small mercies these governments provide and for not being completely indifferent and letting the country go to the dogs like Zimbabwe.

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Postby Satya_anveshi » 12 Feb 2009 22:15

Anabhaya wrote:What can you mail MMS to remind him of his timid response? Anklets worn by mujra dancers?


Careful! You will be booked under POTA for sending Anthrax laden letters to MMS. He will get fresh sympathy, congress will blame BJP and make it an election issue. You will be made part of Ram Sena, Mutalik will own you and you will rot in jail for the next 20 years. :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby surinder » 12 Feb 2009 22:20

Sometimes you read ancient history and wonder, "how could the Indians, despite being powerful etc., could loose the crap of central asia. How could they, having all the wealth, power, and abilities to resist them, fell." Well look no further. Look at India and its response to 26/11 & the Kabul embassy bombing. If you ever wondered, A11ah has given a live demo.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 12 Feb 2009 22:27

If the Maharasthra Govt doesnt file case agaisnt Kasab the next move of the pakis will be to demand extradition of Kasab! I had long ago asked why isnt the govt filing charges against Kasab. BTW by not referringthe Mumbai Attack to the new NIA the GOI, has essentially made this a local state police problem instead of the national problem it is.

So all those stupid cowards will whine in a few weeks.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby IndraD » 12 Feb 2009 22:49

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Loca ... 120290.cms

MUMBAI: Admitting for the first time that there was local support for the Mumbai terror attack, police commissioner Hasan Gafoor on Thursday night said some Indian nationals were among the 16 men that also included Pakistanis who were wanted for their role in the carnage.

Gafoor also said that two Indians have already been arrested.

"Fourteen to sixteen men, which include Indians and Pakistanis, are wanted in the attacks," Gafoor told reporters here.

wo Indians have already been arrested, while some are absconding about whom we have informed Pakistan. So there are Indians as well as Pakistanis."

Asked why names of Indians have been mentioned in the dossier, Gafoor said they likely escaped from India, and "we suspect that they might be hiding in Pakistan".

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Postby Chinmayanand » 12 Feb 2009 23:19

I have a question on which i would like the BRFites to express their opinion. As we know, Indian politicians are treacherous,corrupt and unpatriotic Jaichand's . India has been bleeding by the proxy war waged by porkistan for the last couple of decades but the different govts never tried to fix it.Indian armed Forces say they are waiting for orders to do surgery on porki cheneys but by grace of Allah, that order never comes from GoI.What will the defence forces do if porkis nuke India and GoI doesn't give orders to retaliate? Where does the loyalty of the forces lie : to the nation's well-being or to the wishes of a traitor and impotent govt? Do the armed forces have some lakshman rekha which when crossed , they will take matters in their own hands or will they remain chained dogs in the hands of the politicians just like the police forces.
This proxy war has so far been fought between Porkistani Army and Indian Parliament .when will the defence forces decide to take it from the Indian politicians and make it between Indian forces vs Porkistani forces?
Or is it that the defence forces are hands in glove with the politicians ?
Instead of being pre-emptive and proactive , why do we have a govt which is not even reactive ?

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Nihat » 13 Feb 2009 00:56

Frankly , I have left hope of our Govt. being pro-active in anything and not only this Govt. but previous ones as well. At least for heavens sake be reactive , we suffered a proxy war for 2 decades and never replied in kind , instead we kept begging and TSP kept exporting terror which has come to gigantic proportions today.

Strategic vision is lost ever since the partition of BD. Instead of just saying "all options are open" all the time , being hit harder the next time and still repeating the same - We should be at least at a psychological level like Israel and say that we will not hesitate to reply with dis-proportionate strength to terror exporting nations , at least that sends a god dammit statement.


Who cares what it takes , water wars , sponsoring genocide , human rights violations , any option overt or covert - anything to defend our motherland and honestly today I do not see a single leader capable of that , not MMS and not LK Advani . Perhaps Narendra modi or Pranab da be up to the task

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2009 01:24

Durgesh, Per Modern nation theory they are supposed to represent the nation's interests. However due to the way things have come about ini India, they represent their group interests for it takes a low number to get elected. In order to serve the group interests means they have to loot. So they are as treacherous and any of the modern nation pols who distribute their loot to their supporters who are more broad based. In India its a narrow base that gets you past the gate. So that is a root cause. Calling them Jaichand etc is not meaningful and worse it distorts the picture.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2009 01:34

X-posted...
SSridhar wrote:Kabul Attack - NY Times

Excerpts. .
One senior official in Washington said initial intelligence indicated that Wednesday’s attack was probably planned or supported by the Pakistan-based network of Jalaluddin Haqqani.

Mr. Haqqani’s group was also implicated in the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul last summer and might have had the assistance of members of Pakistan’s intelligence agency in that operation, American officials have said.

The attacks on Wednesday were the most audacious since the embassy assault. And in an eerie echo of the attacks in Mumbai, India, in November, which Indian and American intelligence officials say have been traced to a Pakistani militant group, the Taliban gunmen on Wednesday sent three messages to Pakistan seeking the “blessing of their mastermind,” said Amrullah Saleh, director of the Afghan national intelligence service.



The new Kabul attack means the TSP is getting desparate. In the last Kabul attack the Haqqani(aka ISI) targets were Indian Embassy and West tut-tutted about what India was doing in Afghanistan.

Its no eerie echo. Its the modus operandi of the TSP jihadis to ensure the signature is traced to TSP so they dont die in vain. Even in Kashmir the jihadis from the TSP carry id papers to trace them back to TSP.

US forcing Indian restraint is coming back to haunt them in Afghanistan for the TSPA has figured out the limits to reaction to their intransiegence.

Most likely they will do something against India in near future.

The game has to be changed or its downhill for the new US Admin.


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