Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Sanku » 26 Feb 2009 01:42

ramana wrote:If they throw the charge sheet at him it will kill him!

Death by chargesheet.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

That was the first thought that came to my mind when I saw that clip -- GoI does have its ways doesn't it!!

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Prem » 26 Feb 2009 02:12

ramana wrote:In addition, TSPA needs an overt jhapad to bring about a realignment of forces inside TSP. Its not a modern thought but is essential keeping in view the mind set of the TSPA. All US moves are to preserve the institutional image and standing of TSPA vis a vis TSP.

This is why they have given gurrantee of no new attack till Election . Attacks will resume after the GOI takes over and the Prepetual Inaction Mantri Presides(PIMP)over the Parliament.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 26 Feb 2009 02:15

And the attacks are negotiating tactics between US and TSP. When US demands too much then TSP to assure itself of its H&D targets India at whom the US points restraining hand. And the band rolls on.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby SaiK » 26 Feb 2009 23:35 ... 195503.cms

It is only 2 Indians who have been named.. my heart bleeds to think about many probable candidate citizens who are hiding to keep their future operations intact.

This is enough for me QED that we are sleeping with our most dreaded enemies right and left of oneself.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 27 Feb 2009 00:14

Is there a link to the full charge sheet in pdf or some form?

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby AdityaM » 27 Feb 2009 12:24

ramana wrote:Is there a link to the full charge sheet in pdf or some form?

11000 pages in PDF/doc format? Your machine will run out of memory even before it can start processing the doc. :rotfl:

26/11: A Taj survivor's untold story
There was only one black sheep: "We had an MP in our group, whom I shall not name. He spoke later, as we had moved to the Chambers, to some TV reporter on the phone and gave our location -- we could all have been killed."

Erika, as many other hostages, also felt that some of the Taj Mahal staff looked suspicious: "Some members of my group felt that an assistant, who acted as if nothing untoward had happened, was hiding something and whispered to the others not to tell him anything."

She also has her doubts: "I am sure there were more than three terrorists in the Taj -- we ourselves saw quite a few." Also she feels that there may have been more victims than the government allows: "We saw so many bodies taken out."

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Prabu » 28 Feb 2009 14:37

Sachin wrote:
ramana wrote:Death by chargesheet.

One charge against Kasab is that he trespassed into a Railway Station without a valid ticket (platform ticket or journey ticket) :lol:. This charge if proven gets a maximum prison sentence of 6 months.

Sachin Ji, As per usual procedure followed in police departments, they need to file charges on all possible IPC counts, (especially when it comes to a opposition party chap in any state) and our police chaps have applied the same yard stick to this terror too. So please bear with them ! :)

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Tilak » 01 Mar 2009 19:12

Tilak wrote:Govt quietly drops plans for NSA-led taskforce
22 Feb 2009, 0046 hrs IST, Vishwa Mohan, TNN

Narayanan must devote more time to security issues: Ribeiro
Sat, Feb 28 08:05 AM

New Delhi, Feb 28 (IANS) National Security Adviser M.K. Narayanan must give up some of his responsibilities to devote more time to issues related directly to security, suggests former Punjab Police chief Julio Ribeiro.

Claiming to know Narayanan well, Ribeiro says that he 'bit off more than he could chew' and quotes an unnamed politician from New Delhi as saying that Narayanan spent as many as 250 days abroad in 2008.

Ribeiro's remarks form part of a book, '26/11 Mumbai Attacked' (Roli), a collection of articles and first-hand accounts of the terrorist assault on Mumbai that killed over 170 people during Nov 26-29 last year.

According to Ribeiro, with his involvement in matters such as the India-US nuclear deal and the India-China border dispute, Narayanan 'did not have enough time to devote to internal security issues which were actually his area of expertise...

'It is obvious that he slipped up on this one particular occasion (Mumbai attacks) because he had too much on his plate. He is not young any more and should divert some of his powers and responsibilities to young people who need to be groomed.'

There is also an urgent need to bring about sweeping police reforms in India so that police are able to better face threats from terrorists, says Ribeiro, a former police commissioner of Mumbai.

He says the people of the country, particularly the vocal middle class, should actively start demanding police reforms from the government.

The National Police Commission had in 1981 stressed the need for operational independence to the police forces and the freedom to transfer, punish and reward their men without political intervention.

Sadly, this has not happened, points out Ribeiro.

'Today, we have politicized forces in every city and state of the country,' the respected officer says. 'Sadly, many police officers and policemen owe their allegiance to different politicians and do their bidding rather than look up to their own superiors for guidance.'

Ribeiro says that the imperative need was good police officers at cutting edge positions.

'Nobody suspected of corruption or inability to take decisions or inability to communicate should be allowed to go up the ladder and propelled to a position where he is forced to be considered for the top slots.'

The key aspects of police reforms should be: no interference of politicians in transfers and postings of subordinates as well as in the investigation of crime.

'A professional police force needs good police leaders, men whose integrity and competence are established,' he says. 'Police reforms will start with the selection of good police leaders, and that should be the main demand of the public.'

Ribeiro also says that despite technological surveillance, human intelligence would continue to play a key role in combating both crime and terror.

'Nothing can substitute human intelligence, which is obtained either through informers, men planted in terror cells or from ordinary citizens living in slums and bastis...

'If relations between the people and the police are healthy and based on mutual trust and respect, it is possible to get better human intelligence which could obviate a terror attack.'

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 01 Mar 2009 22:52

We on BR should have doen the same: all press reprorts andcommentry inthe Mumbai terror attacks as a booklet.

Mr Riberio is right. Not to belabor the point but MKN was an underlaying factor for this attack if not the root cause. He didnt do his job to the nation and despite what MMS an appointee thinks he should resign. Its not correct to continue in the job. Its totally against the babu ethos.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby enqyoob » 02 Mar 2009 02:41

[url ... index.html]Israel to get lobotmized: adopts Indian "response" strategy to terrorism. [/url]

JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Israel will retaliate against Palestinian-controlled Gaza with a "painful, sharp, strong and uncompromising response" if rocket attacks do not stop, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Sunday.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert says Israel will respond if rocket attcks from Gaza don't stop.

He warned "terrorists" that they would not be able to anticipate Israel's moves.

"The Israeli response will -- in no way -- be what the terrorist organizations expect. The state of Israel has a wide range of options that will be utilized in order to bring complete quiet to the south," he said Sunday at the start of the weekly Cabinet meeting.


"Befitting Reply"... "Prepared for Any Eventuality". I am all excited to see what is this response that is "in no way -- be what the terrorist organizations expect" 8)

Indian type response:

1. Day after the attack: NO RESPONSE
2. Week after the attack: NO RESPONSE
3. Month after the attack: NO RESPONSE
4. 3 months after the attack: NO RESPONSE.

Terrorist leaders dying by the dozen due to injuries sustained in :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby John Snow » 02 Mar 2009 03:44

Ananthasayanam NSA MKN is a BPO ( Boot Polish Officer) of the powers be.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby sum » 02 Mar 2009 09:40


Pakistan yet to provide missing pieces of Mumbai puzzle

Praveen Swami

On eve of FBI visit, Islamabad stonewalls requests to interrogate suspects

India has so far been unable to identify some key figures

Islamabad has not been forthcoming on its follow-up to evidence

NEW DELHI: Even as Federal Bureau of Investigations Director Robert Muller prepares to fly to Islamabad in the hope of pushing forward investigations into last November’s Lashkar-e-Taiba attack on Mumbai, the United States has received no word on its request to interrogate key suspects.

Mr. Muller is due to arrive in Islamabad on March 4, at the head of a seven-member team that that is investigating November’s carnage. Indian government sources said the U.S has been pushing hard to question at least six Lashkar suspects arrested by Pakistan last month, but is yet to receive permission to do so.

Pakistan’s course of action could determine whether the key perpetrators of the Mumbai carnage ever face trial. Barring Pakistani national Mohammad Ajmal Amir — also known by the caste-appellation Kasaab — none of the 10-member Lashkar fidayeen unit which attacked Mumbai on November 26 survived. Proceedings against Amir have now commenced in a Mumbai court — but most of Pakistan-based commanders and support teams who facilitated the attack are still at large.

Indian prosecutors have also named Colonel R. Saadat Ullah, of the Pakistan Army’s Special Communications Organisation, as a conspirator. An internet protocol address registered to Colonel R. Saadat Ullah was among a set of 10 used by Lashkar commanders to communicate with the fidayeen unit. It is unclear whether this computer was used with the SCO’s consent, since several of the other IP addresses seem to have been hacked into.

Nor has Pakistan made available details on the ownership of the merchant ship al-Husseini, which carried the terrorists from Karachi to mid-ocean, where they then hijacked an Indian fishing boat to travel on to Mumbai. Some Mumbai Police investigators suspect that the al-Husseini was owned by proxies for Karachi-based Indian ganglord Dawood Ibrahim Kaksar. However, efforts by the Mumbai Police to garner details on the al-Husseini through informants in the mafia have so far yielded no hard evidence.

Islamabad has rarely stonewalled U.S. requests for counter-terrorism cooperation in the past, and has sometimes simply handed over al-Qaeda suspects to the Central Intelligence Agency in violation of its own laws. However, Islamabad has historically been reluctant to allow investigation of organisations like the Lashkar, which are believed to have close links with the Pakistan Army’s Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate.

Intelligence sources in New Delhi said that suspects on whom the U.S. has in the past sought information — including some linked to Lashkar activity in Iraq — have simply disappeared soon after their details were passed on to the ISI.

I doubt if Pak has actually even arrested anyone(unless arresting= sitting in ISI safehouse and munching Biryani).

Game, set and Match to Pak during and after 26/11, IMO.


Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ChandraS » 02 Mar 2009 11:21

ramana wrote:Is there a link to the full charge sheet in pdf or some form?

Not the full one (just about 40 pages of it) but downloaded it a couple of days ago from one of the news websites. I can't seem to find it anymore.

Part 1:
Part 2:
Part 3:
Part 4:

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Dilbu » 02 Mar 2009 17:25

Pak acceptance of guilt is Cong's success: Sonia :oops:
Look at the audacity!! She should actually be ashamed that such a terrible thing like 26/11 happened to India during congress rule. But hey this is India and con-gress we are talking about. We make fun of TSP for claiming victory after every a$$whipping it gets. Now what about this?

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Chandragupta » 02 Mar 2009 17:34

Shows the way, does'nt she. So Pakistan can go on & murder as many Indians as it deems fit, and for all that, all they have to do is to say sorry & accept their guilt.

Pigs : We're so sorry our men raped, killed & mutilated hundreds of your citizens. We feel so guilty. :oops: :cry:

Rajmata : Yeee dekkooo..Haaammaaaraaa muuhhh todd zhavvvaabbb..

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby ramana » 04 Mar 2009 01:49

Op-Ed in Pioneer, 4 March 2009

EDITS | Wednesday, March 4, 2009 | Email | Print |

Just diplomacy won’t do

Ashok K Mehta

With the general election announced, the Government will try to extract the best concessions from Islamabad for its admission that the attack on Mumbai was planned partially in Pakistan and Lashkar-e-Tayyeba was responsible for it. This feat is being hailed as a diplomatic victory achieved ‘without deployment of troops’ — an obvious reference to the previous Government’s mobilisation of troops for Operation Parakram following the attack on Parliament House in December 2001. The terrorist attacks and Government’s responses were qualitatively different, shaped by the objective conditions of the time.

In India the establishment does not study the past which frequently becomes the present. Even as other countries have drawn copious lessons from Operation Parakram and now the attack on Mumbai, ours has shut its mind. One obvious lesson is that Operation Parakram, in whatever variant — even with a ‘cold start’ — cannot be repeated. Mobilisation of troops was, therefore, not an option this time, but other means of coercion were available.

Diplomacy is the art of bargaining and posturing with the implied power to hurt the adversary. Former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and others have said that diplomacy works best when backed by force. Pakistan has been forced to admit the launch of the attack on Mumbai, contrary to pledges made by President Pervez Musharraf that its soil would not be used for terrorism after Operation Parakram. Strategic coercion this time came from the US and the international community whose nationals were killed. Ajmal Kasab, one of the 10 terrorists captured alive, made denial impossible for Pakistan. Surprisingly, Delhi has not yet crafted a usable mix of options to protect its citizens from terrorism as that responsibility has to rest with India and not the US or a third country.

But first it would be instructive to compare the 26/11 events with Operation Parakram. In 2001, India-Pakistan relations were at a nadir. The Kargil intrusion had already happened, followed by the hijacking of an Indian Airlines aircraft to Kandahar. On October 1, the attack on the Jammu & Kashmir Legislature nearly killed the Kashmiri leadership and three months later, the assault was repeated on Parliament House. Five terrorists could have wiped out India’s political leadership and democracy.

The situation in Jammu & Kashmir was explosive with levels of violence highest since the start of the proxy war in 1990. Two officers, one JCO and 20 soldiers were being killed in counter-terrorism operations every month in that State. Then Army Chief, Gen S Padmanabhan, had described it as “fighting a Kargil every 16 months”. The Army was seething with anger, demanding retribution. An Army wife told her husband going for Operation Parakram not to return without finishing the job.

The last straw snapped in May 2002. Even as Operation Parakram was on, 13 terrorists in military uniform rushed inside the Army camp in Kaluchak near Jammu and shot dead 34 and wounded 50 wives and children of our soldiers. Even Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee lost his cool when he told soldiers in Srinagar that it would be an “aar-paar ki ladai” — an all out war. It would have been so but for the strategic restraint imposed by the US and the UK, switching the focus from terrorism to a nuclear exchange, literally nuclear scare-mongering. War clouds receded beyond the horizon.

Operation Parakram permitted the political leadership the flexibility to exercise the full range of military and diplomatic actions. Coercive diplomacy was aimed not just against Pakistan but the US also, which was then, as now, engaged in Afghanistan. Operation Parakram ensured events moved fast and purposefully. On January 12, after the attack on Parliament House, Gen Musharraf appeared on television to condemn it as a ‘terrorist act’, adding that no organisation would be allowed to indulge in terrorism in the name of Kashmir. He banned five terrorist groups.

On May 27, after Kaluchak, he made another pledge forswearing cross-border terrorism, but it was not until June 6 that he gave an unqualified commitment through the US to end terrorism permanently, irreversibly, visibly and to the satisfaction of India. Soon, infiltration had dropped by 50 per cent, violence levels declined appreciably and a very free and fair election was held in Jammu & Kashmir. Overall, Operation Parakram paved the way to the resumption of the peace process but on India’s terms.

In contrast to 2001, the geo-strategic environment during the attack on Mumbai favoured India. An India-US strategic partnership is in place. The security situation in Jammu & Kashmir has never been better: Terrorist numbers have declined from 2,500 to 800; infiltration is down to a trickle; and, the violence is the lowest since insurgency began, thanks to the fencing and layered counter-insurgency grid.

Seventy-eight days after the attack on Mumbai, Islamabad made a qualified admission for the attack while disowning state complicity. The admission of non-state involvement came not through Delhi’s coercive diplomacy but pressure and FBI investigation warranted by American law whenever American nationals are killed abroad. As the names of the 35 culprits listed by Pakistan are mostly in code, their prosecution could take months and years consistent with its strategy of buying time.

Securing an admission from Pakistan that its soil was used by non-state actors in clear violation of solemn commitments made by its leaders at least five times between 2002 and 2008 cannot be hailed as a success of Indian diplomacy. The attack on Mumbai has already been forgotten by the new Obama Administration as it tries to find and fix its Afghanistan-Pakistan strategy. Pakistan is embroiled in an internal power struggle which this time has a new contestant: The Taliban, as Tuesday’s attack in Lahore shows.

There are limits to what Pakistan can get away with or what we have to put up with. Equally, there are limits to what the US can get done by Pakistan. The US follows two sets of standards: One when its national interests are involved and the other when India is confronted by the challenge of cross-border terrorism. We can cry ourselves hoarse about Pakistan dismantling terrorist infrastructure and disowning jihad. But diplomacy alone will get no joy from Islamabad. A recent study by the Rand Corporation says there will be more Mumbai-type attacks.

During Operation Parakram, at least on two occasions in January and June 2002 we came very close to war. It was no play-acting but coercive diplomacy which had the Americans really worried. Of the several books former External Affairs Minister Jaswant Singh has written, the two most relevant to the continuing impasse over cross-border terrorism are A Call to Honour and Defending India. In the first he notes that coercive diplomacy cannot work against the irrational, meaning Pakistan. Yet Operation Parakram was stretched to the limit. Seven years after Operation Parakram, Mumbai has shown that defending India requires more than diplomacy.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby Dilbu » 28 Mar 2009 22:08

Singh for friendly ties with Pakistan
NEW DELHI (SANA): Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said that India wanted to establish friendly and cordial ties with Pakistan.

Talking to Indian held Kashmir Chief Minister Omar Abdullah who called on him here on Friday; he said that Indo-Pak friendly relations would provide relief to the people of occupied Kashmir.

There you have it. India has come full circle. Now lets close this thread and wait for the next attack as the circle continues.

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby archan » 29 Mar 2009 01:42

Now now... Singh saheb has said that too - again. Its time to start a Indo-Pak friendship thread on BRF where no anti-paki cr@p will be allowed!!

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Re: Indian Non-response to Terrorism after Mumbai

Postby enqyoob » 29 Mar 2009 02:34

Its time to start a Indo-Pak friendship thread on BRF where no anti-paki cr@p will be allowed!!


Eat your dhotis, SDRE yindoos! :P

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