Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

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Postby Raja Bose » 25 Apr 2014 09:24

Rahul Mehta wrote:
Anindya wrote:Mukesh Kumar - I personally knew 2 people from the batch previous to mine at IIT-KGP, who became naxalites.


actual gun totting Naxalites or armchair sympathizers only?


Actual gun totting Naxalites. Many brilliant students in 60s-70s took that route - they were not brain-washed idiots or criminals but were idealists. Some got out and went to US/Canada to lead normal prosperous lives, rest perished.

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Postby Yogi_G » 25 Apr 2014 09:39

Next seat colleague at office is an AAPtard. Finally came around to convincing him with facts and figures on Modi. Cornered him on the presence of commies, naxalites/maoists in AAP. His defence now (unflinching at that) is "what is wrong with Maoism/Naxalbari"? They are people's movements against corruption. :((

No wonder Indians deserve Maino and Khujli. BTW this turd is from Orissa, seriously affected by naxalism. Wat to do onlee.

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Postby SanjayC » 25 Apr 2014 09:42

^^^ There is a lack of basic intelligence in some Hindu youth.

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Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2014 09:44

Raja Bose wrote:
Actual gun totting Naxalites. Many brilliant students in 60s-70s took that route - they were not brain-washed idiots or criminals but were idealists. Some got out and went to US/Canada to lead normal prosperous lives, rest perished.


I think Brihaspatiji will have fuller details but the cream of bhadralok background brilliant students from presidency college, jadavpur some of them also went that route.

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Postby Vikas » 25 Apr 2014 10:02

panduranghari wrote:
harbans wrote:Does anyone have any idea who this guy is? Seen a lot standing quietly close to AK and Sonia..no one seems to know who he is.



Mafia queens Luca brassi.


I think his name is Kishori Lal. He is Gandhi Family's close confidante who runs the Gandhi fiefdom in Amethi. He is a Punjabi from Ludhiana/Malerkotla.

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Postby Anindya » 25 Apr 2014 10:03

"actual gun totting Naxalites or armchair sympathizers only?"

I was not there in the 60s or the 70s - but these are much closer to our times and they were intellectuals who actually moved into the forests to live with the cadres - never saw them carry guns though. Entirely possible that they planned attacks and strategy.

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Postby member_20317 » 25 Apr 2014 10:14

SanjayC wrote:^^^ There is a lack of basic intelligence in some Hindu youth.


Nope. The intelligence is very much there. In any case intelligence is over-rated.

The problem is the sense of self. People earlier were poor and could not find any time for developing a more comprehensive view. Now that some money is beginning to flow in at least a part of India and people are finding time to think, there is the new problem of MSM and subtle but heavy social engineering. This social engineering is carried out at many different levels, starting from the pre-school itself and is a very sticky kind of social engineering. You will realize it once you willingly begin to search for it.

As a child I had learnt that in Judo a Judoka tries to force the other into an imbalanced position by pushing when the other pulls and pulling and when the other pushes. This is the basic technique you will find used in the social engineering attempts being played out all over. The values are shifted around like colorful casino chips just to distract/attract/detract a person (subject?).

There is nothing wrong in a people's movement even one against the government/state. Only it may not even be a people's movement or beneficial for the people or the people may just be wrong. Here the role of the MSM comes in, in support of the social engineering. Here also the role of you and me comes in, in resistance against this fraud and mis-representation.

In fact even social engineering is not per se bad. You just have to see if the social engineering is faithful to the rta or system of judgement established by an evolutionary usage or one that is imposed using guilt tripping and fraudulent claims and mis-representations and contortions of traditional usage and understanding.

The manipulators understand this exceedingly well. The Hindu is only now beginning to understand this in civilizational terms.

You have to pour ghee/chaanch in the roots to kill the weeds. A lesser effort will not work and will actually allow the opponent to adapt to your and my strategy.

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Postby Paul » 25 Apr 2014 10:20

ABP Panned a shot of NaMo's rally as it passed a maosque in Benares. Compared to the carnival atmosphere all around, there was complete silence from the faithful watching from the mosque.

Hardly anyone waving to NaMo inspite of him acknowledging and waving to them.

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Postby Suraj » 25 Apr 2014 10:21

The Naxalite moment is a reflection of the failure of the Indian state to provide economic growth and employment as the population skyrocketed after independence, due to the fall in mortality rate and better public health. That generation itself could have been our early post-independence baby boomers, but instead they lived a life of socio-economic misery, by and large. Not choosing the right leaders can condemn us to more of the same.

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Postby pankajs » 25 Apr 2014 10:42

No blanket immunity for conducting sting: SC

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... ting-sc/2/
In a ruling that could push journalists and others conducting sting operations to tread with caution, the Supreme Court Thursday said those behind such operations could not get blanket immunity from criminal prosecution if their actions showed that they had prima facie committed a crime.

Their acts shall not stand obliterated only by a clamour that what they did was in the larger public good, it held.

The ruling by a bench led by Chief Justice P Sathasivam is considered significant as there is no law to regulate sting operations in the country. The verdict has a direct bearing on cases where monetary allurement or other favours are offered to “expose” a person.

The court dealt with questions whether the person conducting the sting should be held liable for a crime which is inseparable from the entire process, or should be exonerated since the act aimed to expose the main offender in a serious crime harmful to the public interest.

The court also considered the question whether the initial crime by the person conducting the sting should be understood to be without any criminal intent, and only to facilitate the commission of the other crime by the “main culprit”.

“The answer to the above, in our considered view would depend, as in any criminal case, on the facts and circumstances thereof. A crime does not stand obliterated or extinguished merely because its commission is claimed to be in public interest. Any such principle would be abhorrent to our criminal jurisprudence,” ruled the bench which also comprised Justices Ranjan Gogoi and N V Ramana.

The court said that issues of criminal liability will have to be established after evidence is included.

“The inherent possibilities of abuse of the operation as videographed, namely, retention and use thereof to ensure delivery of the favours assured by the receiver of the bribe has to be excluded before liability can be attributed or excluded. This can happen only after the evidence of witnesses is recorded,” it noted.

The court emphasised intention was the most important element in such cases and hence a journalist or any other person, who has no connection, even remotely, with the favour that is allegedly sought in exchange for the bribe offered, cannot be imputed with the necessary intent to commit the crime of abetment or conspiracy.

Maintaining that the illustrations cannot be exhaustive and a deeper probe may be required if the trial judge deems it fit, the court said that a full-fledged trial may be conducted in cases where the person conducting the sting prima facie had a stake in the favours that were allegedly sought in return for the bribe offered.

The ruling upholds the CBI’s stand that a person, who does a sting operation on the sly to expose a “corrupt” public official, is liable to be charged with the crime of abetting corruption. Abetment of corruption fetches a punishment of a maximum of five years in jail and a fine under the Prevention of Corruption Act.

The verdict came as the court junked a petition by Rajat Prasad, a businessman, and Arvind Vijay Mohan, a journalist, who were charged with abetment of corruption and conspiracy for taking part in a sting operation in 2003, in which the then union minister for environment and forests, Dilip Singh Judeo, was caught on camera accepting Rs 9 lakh in a hotel room in New Delhi.

The CBI registered an FIR on the basis of a news report in The Indian Express on November 16, 2003.

The money was allegedly given on the pretext of obtaining favours from Judeo for mining projects in Orissa, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand. It was, however, alleged by Prasad that the sting was the result of a conspiracy hatched by Amit Jogi, son of Ajit Jogi, the then chief minister of Chhattisgarh, to disgrace Judeo just before the Chhattisgarh assembly elections so that Ajit Jogi could derive political mileage.

Will Tehelka sting folks too face music now.

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Postby Kati » 25 Apr 2014 10:50

Super. NaMo to campaign more in West Bengal. The tiger is smelling blood.....

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1140425/j ... 1n1Z1VdUhs

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Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2014 10:54

apart from one foray into punjab, he should churn and muddy the waters to max extent possible in eastern UP, bihar and AP(only where BJP+TDP is 50/50). and campaign in Guj only where 50/50 or BJP is weak.

its time to optimize the limited cycles of the CEO and have him "engage fortune50 clients onlee"

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Postby shravan » 25 Apr 2014 11:11

We have info that most of the ppl at Modi's roadshow in Varanasi were from outside Varanasi-Mayawati

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Postby member_22539 » 25 Apr 2014 11:18

^Maybe she got her Modi and Fraudiwal reports mixed up. Pathetic, then again this is the lady who took an air trip for shoes (like that is gonna make her any more attractive, yuck).

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Postby Raja Bose » 25 Apr 2014 11:21

Singha wrote:
Raja Bose wrote:
Actual gun totting Naxalites. Many brilliant students in 60s-70s took that route - they were not brain-washed idiots or criminals but were idealists. Some got out and went to US/Canada to lead normal prosperous lives, rest perished.


I think Brihaspatiji will have fuller details but the cream of bhadralok background brilliant students from presidency college, jadavpur some of them also went that route.


Yeah, we had a few in family who went that route. Also a bunch of relatives of pitashree's EyeEyeTea classmates who did the same.

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Postby jamwal » 25 Apr 2014 11:22

Intelligence in academics has nothing to do with real life intelligence.

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Postby anmol » 25 Apr 2014 11:52

ramana wrote:anmol, Please x-post in 1)Indo-US thread and 2)Pakistan a new way of looking. Heck even in 3)Understanding US thread. Belongs in all three.


Okay I will do that but there is one problem: first thing I did when I saw this on Namo thread was to flag this post for deletion as i posted here by mistake (I thought I had posted this in Indo-US thread).

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Postby Singha » 25 Apr 2014 12:00

so how did he become PA of KJ ? job hopping from incumbent to startup?

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Postby negi » 25 Apr 2014 12:24

jamwal wrote:Intelligence in academics has nothing to do with real life intelligence.

Agree actually to be more specific academic brilliance is more to do with brain being better conditioned by virtue of either good genes or exercise(hard work in that area) while making right choices in life has more to do with ability to distinguish right from wrong and stand for what is right ; unfortunately there is little or no correlation between the two.

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Postby harbans » 25 Apr 2014 12:37

To save the nation, BJP has to eliminate INC completely from the root. Now INC is coming with IM reservations. By 2019, it's election pitch will be blatant vote bank politics like 15% reservation for Muslims in all sectors including Private. They will have alliances with SP/BSP/Left parties to block BJP at national level. BJP must aim for every election from now on to garner >272. There is no going back from now, not one election can it afford to lose to the INC. INC needs just once more to come to power and India is finished. This is the last chance against the dynasty. No elections in history have been as critical as this one now.

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Postby Rahul Mehta » 25 Apr 2014 12:41

Kati wrote:Just wait for some real tremors when south Bengal votes. The real backbone of the left parties had been the Hindu refugees frm East pakistan. A large chunk of this block is going to BJP this time. In fact, a large chunk of the TMC will vote for BJP too. Thanks to Didi's naked minority appeasement. People are fedup with - (i) free bikes for muslim girls to attend school (why not poor hindu girls??); (ii) AMU style minority university in Murshidabad (why not for poor hindu students??); (iii) stipend for Imams 9what's wrong with poor hindu priests??); (iv) AIIMS style hospital for minorities (poor hindu folks have no such right???). All the FFR I have talked too are very primed up to send a solid message to Didi...... Didi needs to be in state power, and Namo at center for a few years before WB turns pro NaMo solidly. Didi is caught between the devil and deep sea. the more she tries to hold on to the 30% minority block with shrill voice against BJP the more it is going to haunt her in long run. Another big plus is that left will be completely wiped out this time because people are now seeing only BJP as an alternative to Didi, and they don't want to bring the lefties back in any time soon.


Everytime a region faces Islamists menance, the RSS-apex, VHP-apex and BJP-apex rushes in with a posture of savior. The enraged youth joins BJP, VHP, RSS, Bajrang Dal. They make sacrifices and using their sacrifices, the BJP-apex collects tons of votes and credit. eg in Gujarat, the problem of islamist violence was reduced by Bajrang Dal and VHP activists, and BJP-apex only did the herculean task of taking the credit and votes !! And FIRST thing that BJP-apex, RSS-apex and VHP-apex does after coming into power is to suppress away same youth which brought them into power !!! eg VHP youth in Gujarat is now all shattered and thouroughly demoralized lot.

And BJP-apex only reduces superficial violent acts of islamists but does NOTHING to address core issues like runaway population growth , rising strength of Saudies in India, Bangladeshi infiltration etc. IOW, the sacrifice of youth goes in vain.

Let census-2011 Tahsil-wise relegion data come for Gujarat , all BJP states and all startes in India. And that will prove that Moditva was ONLY a superficial remedy to islamists which works when their number is below 10% and does nothing to stop the growth in numbers. And Moditva will fall flat when numbers cross 25% anyway. And the Gujarat census-2011 religion data will also show that Moditva is no answer to Missionaries either. The Missionaries come with schools and hospitals, and not with guns. So no law can stop them. And I am opposed to punishing or harassing people who willingly or due to cash change religion.

MNC-owners, Missionaries, Islamists and Congress are problem. But earlier we know that BJP-apex is at best a delay and mostly a time-pass, but no solution, earlier the nation will benefit.

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Postby pankajs » 25 Apr 2014 13:45

harbans wrote:Does anyone have any idea who this guy is? Seen a lot standing quietly close to AK and Sonia..no one seems to know who he is.

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There he is again ... standing next to PV. May be one of the family retainers or one of the security guys.
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Postby harbans » 25 Apr 2014 13:54

Pankaj, point is he is also seen in many pics standing close to Kejriwal. Several months his pics are there in SM. Even Mohammed Saifullah and buddy Aaptard who fought with a lady and child while they remained seated under a lady's only seat in Delhi metro were identified within hours. And this guy with direct access to both the Fraud family and Kejriwal cannot be identified? Seems a bit strange.

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Postby member_20317 » 25 Apr 2014 14:08

VikasRaina wrote:
harbans wrote:Does anyone have any idea who this guy is? Seen a lot standing quietly close to AK and Sonia..no one seems to know who he is.


I think his name is Kishori Lal. He is Gandhi Family's close confidante who runs the Gandhi fiefdom in Amethi. He is a Punjabi from Ludhiana/Malerkotla.



http://www.dpcc.co.in/dpccofficebearers.php

Shri KISHORI LAL SHARMA

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Postby pankajs » 25 Apr 2014 15:29

Fake encounter: No evidence against Modi, CBI says

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home ... 090433.cms
NEW DELHI: A day after law minister Kapil Sibal claimed that Narendra Modi was a "potential accused" in Tulsi Prajapati fake encounter case and slammed CBI for not questioning him, the agency discarded his allegations, calling it "political statements". A senior CBI officer said thorough investigations didn't yield any prosecutable evidence against the Gujarat CM.

The officer said they had questioned all those related to the case, examined call details and circumstances before filing the chargesheet in 2012. "We have already examined all the material cited by Kapil Sibal before filing the chargesheet. We were satisfied that there was no prosecutable evidence on record to link Modi with the encounter," said the officer.

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Postby jagga » 25 Apr 2014 15:56

rohitv wrote:hahaha panelists on Times NOW are shitting bricks over "Accountability Commission" which will be set up by the NDA govt. They have almost given in to the ideal of Modi as the next PM

Still frame from this debate :rotfl:
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Postby patel » 25 Apr 2014 16:09

harbans wrote:Does anyone have any idea who this guy is? Seen a lot standing quietly close to AK and Sonia..no one seems to know who he is.


Harbans ji with all due respect, I don't think these two guys are same. Notice the mustache and the scar on the right cheek of Mummyji's chammach, the Aapturd guy doesn't seem to have that. JMHO

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Postby krishnan » 25 Apr 2014 16:13

both are the same guy

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Postby chaanakya » 25 Apr 2014 16:24

What Kishori Lal Sharma was doing at the time of AK nomination along side Khujaliwal. That's a direct link that AAP is still born baby of Congis. He was , perhaps there, to ensure that Khujaliwal files proper nomination with all columns filled in.

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Postby harbans » 25 Apr 2014 16:25

Thanks Ravi. It is KL Sharma. But ti think it's also the same guy seen with AK past few months, unless there is another exact look alike. Lots of people are questioning the same.

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Postby member_20317 » 25 Apr 2014 16:29

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vic wrote:I think that VKS should be asked to head a committee for indigenisation of Army equipment.


If VKS is given charge of some such an indigenisation in defense effort than it can possibly turn India into the the Baap of Arsenal of Democracy. Most of the US capability and capacity growth came because their industrial giants got into defence and then came back into the civilian production. Learning and earning big time both times.

We have our own successful industrial giants who can migrate big time into production. The unit costs would be higher but the maal will be available and in the longer run it will turn out the cheaper option. At the same time break the back of the durbari culture in defence procurement. We could actually see LCAs flying and even capability redesigns around this. And industrialists who today sit in the PM office haggling over mines would have some actual work to do while earning good money.

The whole issue of Line of succession would become irrelevant while pre-empting any political brinksmanship that the congis and their chamchas in the procurement can conspire on.

To top it all only NaMo has the capacity to see to it that VKS is successful in this task. I agree.

Putting VKS incharge of a new Ministry for this purpose would be great. Making him generic Raksha Mantri will waste him in tasks like promotion, chutti sanctioning and pensions, welfare etc.
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How missed calls and unsolicited volunteers fuel Modi’s campaign in Varanasi
by Dinesh Narayanan, qz.com
February 12th 2014
5 minutes ago
Dinesh Narayanan is an independent journalist based in Delhi. He is a former senior editor at Forbes India magazine.

At 8 o’ clock in the morning, Pappu chaiwalla’s tiny tea-shop near Assighat in Varanasi is reverberating with heated debate. About twenty people sitting cheek by jowl on narrow benches are arguing loudly about the elections. Someone points to a man dressed in a rust-coloured kurta sitting quietly in a corner and says, “you look like that Aam Aadmi party fellow Manish Sisodia.’’ The man smiles and admits that he is a national executive member of the Aam Aaadmi Party (AAP), but not Sisodia.

There is a momentary silence as everyone stares at him. Then all hell breaks loose. It appears like the crowd was waiting for a lamb to slaughter.

The man, Sahajanand Rai, valiantly tries to defend his party and its charismatic leader Arvind Kejriwal, but is shouted down by the crowd which is overwhelmingly pro-Narendra Modi, the Bharatiya Janata Party’s (BJP) star leader and prime ministerial candidate. They call Kejriwal bhagoda or renegade for resigning as Delhi chief minister.

Devvrat Chaubey, who teaches philosophy at the nearby Benaras Hindu University, or BHU, and Deenbandhu Tiwari, a sociology professor at the Lal Bahadur Shastri post-graduate college at Mughalsarai are among the crowd in the tea-shop. “If Kejriwal had not quit running the (Delhi) government, he would have given Modi a tough challenge here,’’ says Chaubey. “Now he will only succeed in splitting the votes making it easier for Modi.’’

Pappu’s tea-shop may not be the ideal poll weathervane, but it certainly gives a sense of what has caught the public’s imagination in Varanasi.

“My grandfather started this shop about 75 years ago,’’ says Pappu whose real name is Vishwanath Singh. “It has always been a hangout for common folk as well as intellectuals, especially from BHU.’’ The tea-shop was one of Narendra Modi’s chai pe charcha

While Narendra Modi has turned his tea-seller past into a powerful electioneering tool symbolizing his vision for an India where it’s possible to dream big, his campaign is anything but symbols and slogans. Beneath the surface storm of massive rallies and fiery speeches, an army of workers are silently chipping away at traditional vote banks, breaking down long-standing loyalties to kin and community and distributing a dream of economic development and material prosperity to young voters whose sizable numbers are crucial in these elections.
High tech and low tech

At the BJP’s central office at Gulab Bagh in Varanasi, six young boys barely out of their teens are waiting for Shailesh Pandey and Manish Dubey, two of the party’s organizers. The young men have come to join the Modi bandwagon, which many believe is on an unstoppable roll across the country.

Dubey, an engineer who quit his job with French multinational Alstom to work for the BJP, meticulously notes down their details—name, phone number, how many hours they could give for the campaign—and assigns them work.

Pandey and Dubey, in their mid-thirties, coordinate the campaign’s information technology cell and are responsible for recruiting workers using the unlikely tool of a missed phone call. Anyone who wants to sign up with the campaign can use the “missed call service,” by calling 78200 and hanging up (so their call is free, but there’s a record of their number on a cell phone) and someone from the campaign will get in touch.

The callers are drafted to cold call other potential voters or go door to door canvassing for Modi. Those who are good with social media are posted on the web. Every day the team adds up to 80 new contacts. Pandey, a former sailor with the Indian Navy who has roamed the country on his motorcycle, says they fielded about 3,000 calls in three days.

Every afternoon, the team sets out for local meetings, collecting information on voters, figuring out their past affiliations, assessing rivals’ strength and problems of the area. They have been doing this since September, an indication that it may have been decided long ago Varanasi was going to be Modi’s constituency outside Gujarat, even though it was officially announced in March.

Pandey and Dubey have traveled to every village in the 14 districts of eastern Uttar Pradesh in the past seven months, collecting data and getting a sense of the area. (Pandey has documented much of their travels on his Twitter feed). They carry with them USB ports with 20 gigabytes of video clips of Narendra Modi’s speeches and the development projects in Gujarat. They also carry a compact projector, white sheets to use as screens and batteries in the car to set up impromptu video shows.

Meanwhile, another official has prepared a list of panna pramukhs, or “page chiefs,” independent BJP workers who will each be given a sheet of paper with names of about 60 voters, and will be responsible for making sure they vote.
Unsolicited volunteers

Meanwhile, an enthusiastic husband and wife duo are traveling the chaotic city, meeting intellectuals and prominent citizens, to discuss the Modi model of governance. The couple, one of them a retired vice-chancellor of a university in Gujarat and the other a lawyer, did not want to be identified. The two are camping in Varanasi on their own and working, as they said “without disturbing the party system.”

“Ab yagya hai to ahuti deni hi padegi,” or “Since its a yagya (a ritualistic Hindu offering), sacrifices will have to be made,” said the lawyer, who notes down the name and telephone number of every person they meet in her diary. “If we manage to get our message across well, we will change Uttar Pradesh’s polity,’’ her husband added.

They have with them Shyam Jaiswal, leader of Uttar Pradesh Jaiswal Mahasabha, a community group made up of the trader caste, or Baniyas.

Jaiswal says his community is solidly standing behind Modi. He shows a letter, printed on the organizations official letterhead, asking members to vote for Modi. “This letter has gone to every Jaiswal home in UP,’’ he says. The lawyer says they met Jaiswal only the previous day and now he is helping them connect with more people who can influence flocks of voters.

Jaiswal is taking the couple to meet Ramesh Kumar Gupta, a millionaire businessman who owns Kashivishwanath Zarda Company, an incense stick manufacturer. Sitting in his large office, the former vice chancellor tells him how professional Modi is. “In all my years as VC, I have never got a call from him or any minister. The government never interfered in my work,’’ he says. He tells him that as an opinion maker in Varanasi, he should help Modi’s campaign. But Gupta already seems to be a disciple.

“Varanasi’s development started the day Modi’s name was announced as a candidate from here,’’ he says as everyone looks puzzled. “Have you noticed how weather reports on TV have started giving Varanasi temperature reading?’’
Friction between old and new

There is, however, a minor rebellion brewing in one corner of the constituency. Some old-timers of the BJP are unhappy with the way the outsiders are taking over the campaign.

Local leaders believe they are not being consulted enough, especially on appointments to positions. In the constituency of Sevapuri, BJP workers are upset. One senior leader from the area says all the local officials of a nearby village have left the party.

Modi’s chief strategist Amit Shah is in charge of sorting out the growing mess. At a meeting to discuss the issue on Mar. 21, BJP leaders told him that the competition AAP has about 7,000 workers on the ground, but BJP officials are sitting in their offices without any instructions. Meanwhile, outsider supporters of Modi—BJP and RSS workers from Delhi and Gujarat—are doing their own thing without involving locals.

Shah told them to ignore the AAP party and its candidate Kejriwal. “Don’t waste time throwing stones and heckling him. He is insignificant,” he said, according to BJP leader who attended the meeting. The local chief of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, or RSS, the right-wing Hindu group, was tasked with fixing the problem.
Anticipating victory

Rebellions from within the party are sprouting up all over the state, a campaign manager in the central office says, but are of no significance. Even one of the complaining local BJP officials admits “we might have differences but that does not mean we will not work. It is not a question of whether Modi will win. We want to make sure it is a historic victory.’’

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby pankajs » 25 Apr 2014 17:03

Rahul Kanwal ‏@rahulkanwal 2h

These were @ISBedu students who come from different parts of the country. Random sample. But unanimous in disapproval of Rahul Gandhi EE21
Rahul Kanwal ‏@rahulkanwal 2h

Whether it's Mumbai, Muzaffarnagar, Bareily, Rampur, Chennai, Bangalore or Hyderabad, India's youth seem to have given up enmasse on RG
rupa subramanya ‏@rupasubramanya 2h

When were India's youth ever into Rahul Gandhi? Given up seems generous...@rahulkanwal
Dr. Praveen Patil ‏@5Forty3 1h

RG has exactly the same good/badwill for a decade, its just that your analytical prism has changed. @rahulkanwal @rupasubramanya

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Postby pankajs » 25 Apr 2014 17:04

shagil_ Shagil Apr 24
Biggest nomination event ever happened in India, Entire varanasi now chants for 'Modi, Modi' #MODIfiedKASHI pic.twitter.com/ZvzF4a09oo

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby ravar » 25 Apr 2014 17:05

Hope we had more of such analyses by 'reversing the gaze' on the West. Read in full

'Modi, Media and the theology of apology' -

The Indian media narrative has followed the Christian script of the West on the apology-redemption track while Modi is responding from an Indian cultural lens.


http://www.thehoot.org/web/Modi--media-and-the-theology-of-apology/7452-1-1-1-true.html

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Postby vivek.rao » 25 Apr 2014 17:23

http://www.swapan55.com/2014/04/the-west-strikes-back-international.html

The Bollywood celebrity was, of course, alluding to the ongoing election campaign where opinion polls suggest that Indian voters are inclined to prefer Brand Narendra Modi over the competition. Bhatt, needless to say, is not a Modi supporter but was asserting his right to go his own way. Doubtless he had a point. It would be a sad day for democracy if the only voices heard in the public domain were one-sided and reflective of majority opinion. Mercifully, that is not the case in India. On the contrary, we are confronted with the bizarre situation of the intellectual establishment being dominated by the opinions of the dissidents.

It is not that the voices of the so-called 'moral majority' have been driven underground, as happens in crude dictatorships. It is just that a small group has such a stranglehold over the levers of intellectual power that dominant sentiment is either deemed to be non-respectable or intimidated into occupying the fringe space reserved for contrarians. A thorough content analysis of the media (both print and electronic) for the past six months may be able to identify the quantum of bias. However, it is very hard to shake off the impression that the big guns have chosen to direct their fire at Modi.

The international media's approach has been an eye-opener. Earthy wisdom would have us believe that what the Economist recommends to the Indian voter is going to have zero impact on the voting classes. At best, it could be a one-day talking point among bankers and diplomats and, at worst, was calculated to raise nationalist hackles. However, when adverse comments on a Modi-led India becomes the theme song of almost all the 'quality' publications of the West that can be bothered to devote editorial space to the world's largest festival of democracy, the groupthink is bound to have some effect.

First, it is calculated to paint the picture of an electorate that is guided by raw emotion rather than enlightened self-interest, a proposition that is in direct conflict with the abiding global faith in the modernity of the Indian middle classes. Secondly, it has served to confuse foreigners who have an economic stake in India. Their personal experience, bolstered by inputs from their Indian partners, is that the advent of Modi is certain to give a boost to economic activity. But the unrelenting hostility of the editorial classes to any possible Modi dispensation has the potential of being translated into opposition from small shareholders who may have begun to believe that the gullible masses are on the cusp of electing a Hindu Hitler. What has added to this confusion is the numerous appeals penned by India-connected notables such as Salman Rushdie and Anish Kapoor expressing grave fears at the likelihood of a Modi-led government. The quantum of alarmism can be assessed by a blog in the Guardian website where a Cambridge academic of Indian origin recommended that the British government scale down its diplomatic engagement in India if Modi comes to power.


To detect a direct link between the alarm bells in the Anglophone world media over a possible Modi victory and the hysteria over impending fascism among India's intellectual elite wouldn't be far-fetched. India is too much of a rumbustious democracy for its historians and playwrights to be reduced to echo-chambers of Western liberal fashion. On the contrary, if the editorial classes in London and New York have developed a Modi allergy, it is because they have been guided by their counterparts in India.


Whether it was or not, the fact is that among the first things that the NDA Government did in 1998 was to re-establish Rushdie's right to visit India. I would like to think that the interview he gave to me played a modest role in the government's change of heart. Indeed, the records show that the British writer was better able to speak, travel and live in India during the NDA rule than subsequently. Three years ago his invitation to the Jaipur Literature Festival resulted in threats by Islamic radicals and his non-appearance following broad hints by the Congress-run Rajasthan government. I doubt that unfortunate incident is likely to be repeated under a NDA dispensation. What is more I think Rushdie knows it.


First, the enthusiasm of business for a fresh start will rub off on the Western media. The Economist will be more circumspect than before. Secondly, the Modi government will be put on notice from day one and not be given the benefit of a honeymoon. Any trip-up will be mercilessly exploited. And finally, there is likely to be an unholy alliance between Indian liberals and the forces of anti-capitalism to thwart the revival of manufacturing. India will be painted as a crude practitioner of bandit capitalism.

For Modi, the internal challenges may be formidable but far less daunting than the diplomatic roadblocks he will encounter. The enfeebled liberal establishment in India will organise its fightback from abroad.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby devesh » 25 Apr 2014 17:29

Time to buckle up. This a good time for Indians to start developing their innate sense of righteousness about Indian civilization and simply ignore the constant name calling from West or internal "liberal" ideologues.

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby RajeshA » 25 Apr 2014 17:54

Worthless opinions of the West still caged within their imperialist arrogance and their colonial approach wishing to subdue a civilization much richer and ancient than theirs through the use of media and lies!

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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Postby vivek.rao » 25 Apr 2014 17:57

Varanasi proves Cong’s worst fears: Modi wave not a myth

However, the general perception was that the frenzy witnessed on the streets of Varanasi couldn't have all been orchestrated, and there may just be a wave of support for the BJP's prime ministerial candidate in Varanasi. "I do not think this is a manufactured wave in Varanasi. This was made out to be a presidential election by the BJP because of which even the turnout in the polls today was very large. Modi is seen as a Dr. Fixit. If the present government at the Centre had performed on an average or reasonably well, this crowd won't have been there and Modi won't have been treated so much like Mr Fixit," Oxus Investments, chairman, Surjit Bhalla told CNN-IBN during a panel discussion.

Columnist Swapan Dasgupta shared a similar view. "What was planned as a show a strength went far more beyond which is impossible to create for any organisation to choreograph it in such detail. There is no doubt that the organisation was there but there was also a lot of spontaneity. People came forward to see the renewed political importance of Varanasi and there is a genuine public appreciation of Modi. Moreover, there was also a great degree of curiosity," Dasgupta said.


"There are a lot of unconventional things happening in the 2014 polls. The PM candidature of Modi has generated lot of excitement. The BJP is also using the fact of an unpopular Central government to its advantage. This is certainly wave not a media creation. Something is happening on the ground," Shastri said. Even CNN-IBN's national affairs editor, Bhupendra Choubey, who was present in Varanasi admitted that the revelry he saw on Thursday wasn't something he'd seen before.


The Telegraph, national affairs editor, Manini Chatterjee who also participated in the discussion felt that the image of Modi has simply grown bigger with this rally. "The BJP created a larger than life image for Narendra Modi first from the top and expanding it down below.
The hype machine has been created to project everything that happened in the last 65 years sucks," Chatterjee said. :rotfl:

But a wave a Prime Minister does not make. "There is a discernible Modi effect in this election. What is important is to watch on 16 May if India elects Modi with a majority or an unequivocal majority," Dasgupta said.


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