Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby m_saini » 09 Apr 2021 22:15

Don't think we're going to do anything and neither can we, nor should we. A lot of our mil hardware comes from them including the Tejas engines, and in future mk2, TEDBF and AMCA ones.

This is what happens when you're dependent on someone. And to think IN wanted to get an entire carrier from these guys.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby sreerudra » 10 Apr 2021 02:45

The honeymoon is over and they are in our backyard! Does India have a choice to go against the Deep state?

In unusual move, US navy conducts operation near Lakshadweep without India's consent
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 983624.cms

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 07:44

m_saini wrote:Don't think we're going to do anything and neither can we, nor should we.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 91495?s=20 ---> No need to make a mountain out of mole hill. US Navy conducted such ops in Indian EEZ regularly. This US navy doc from 2016 shows shows such US naval ops (FONOPS) happened every year in Indian EEZ in 2008-14. Against Japan, such ops in 2020 too.

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m_saini wrote:A lot of our mil hardware comes from them including the Tejas engines, and in future mk2, TEDBF and AMCA ones.

This is what happens when you're dependent on someone. And to think IN wanted to get an entire carrier from these guys.

Shhhh Sirjee. Otherwise, he will come charging in here ;) :lol:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 07:49

arshyam wrote:Well, that's the way it should be. My comment was geared to the "strategeric partnership" koolaid a lot of folks used to be selling and consuming, even on BRF. Such incidents serve to keep us grounded.

Waiting - but it will be in vain onlee - for the Alliance with Amreeka crowd on BRF to spin this one. Am sure that captain of that US Navy vessel got his naval charts wrong ;)

https://twitter.com/LambClever/status/1 ... 98017?s=20 ---> USA don't have any allies, but vassals.

On BRF, vassals are known as poodles. UK is a very obedient and well trained poodle.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 07:52

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 50784?s=20 ---> In 2019, US Navy challenged maritime rules/laws of every nation in South Asia (excl. Nepal & Bhutan of course).

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 87843?s=20 ---> US Navy does not have to follow domestic laws of any nation for navigation.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 07:54

And this from the former Chief of Naval Staff, Indian Navy - Admiral Arun Prakash.

https://twitter.com/arunp2810/status/13 ... 48385?s=20 ---> There is irony here. While India ratified UN Law of the Seas in 1995, the US has failed to do it so far. For the 7th Fleet to carry out FoN missions in Indian EEZ in violation of our domestic law is bad enough. But publicising it? USN please switch on IFF!

https://twitter.com/arunp2810/status/13 ... 90913?s=20 ---> FoN ops by USN ships (ineffective as they may be) in South China Sea, are meant to convey a message to China that the putative EEZ around the artificial SCS islands is an “excessive maritime claim.” But what is the 7th Fleet message for India?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 08:01

President Biden is looking to re-assert America's presence on the international stage, after President Stable Genius' acquiescence and bromance to totalitarian leaders like Putin and Kim Jong-Un. This is perhaps just one of those things that Biden wants to prove to the world, that America is back to doing what they do best - bully others into submission. A great strategy and they have the military to back it up. Lets not get too worked up over it. Make use of the relationship and buy whatever is required to strengthen India, but stay away from any alliances.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 09:25

Prem Kumar wrote:There are many ways to retaliate.

2) Have our destroyers do a Freedom of Navigation near U.S territory. Or at the least, near Diego Garcia

Not DG - doing so would be to tacitly admit that it is US territory, whereas it is UK territory, and illegally occupied at that. Maybe we should renew our claim to the Chagos archipelago including DG - not to occupy it ourselves, but put out a statement supporting the Chagosians. Something like "those who are illegally occupying islands in the INDIAN ocean (stress on Indian) should not lecture others about their legal provisions". Then do a show of flag around Chagos, calibrated to the exact distance from the coast line as they did in Lakshadweep. And then some. Any errors unintended due to unreliable GPS :lol:

That is the military domain response. In parallel, reiterate (by MEA itself, not SII or BB) their boorishness in hoarding vaccines they have not even authorized for use and restricting supply of essential components that impacts production during a global pandemic. Repeatedly stressing on this would cut the floor under a pretentious "globalist" US admin, and the only remaining image would be of a selfish and boorish bully.

Of course, these measures would hardly be a pinprick as their home territory is far away and little interest for us, so they won't feel the pain commensurate to what we are feeling. Their media won't report any of this. That's okay - it is due to the current power differential, but the we can add a note about this incident to the elephantine memory we posses. For us, '71 happened yesterday :). But doing these things would signal to the rest that we are not going to stand and be pushed around.

Lastly, the positive outcome of this is, the IN will now stop hankering after super-carriers, EMALS, F-18 and other such unreliable shite. Hopefully, GoI would double down on a desi jet engine as well.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 09:26

Rakesh wrote:President Biden is looking to re-assert America's presence on the international stage, after President Stable Genius' acquiescence and bromance to totalitarian leaders like Putin and Kim Jong-Un. This is perhaps just one of those things that Biden wants to prove to the world, that America is back to doing what they do best - bully others into submission. A great strategy and they have the military to back it up. Lets not get too worked up over it. Make use of the relationship and buy whatever is required to strengthen India, but stay away from any alliances.

Sometimes I get the impression that the Americans are just English-speaking cousins of the Chinese. Wolf-warrior diplomacy, anyone?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby m_saini » 10 Apr 2021 10:00

Rakesh wrote:No need to make a mountain out of mole hill. US Navy conducted such ops in Indian EEZ regularly. This US navy doc from 2016 shows shows such US naval ops (FONOPS) happened every year in Indian EEZ in 2008-14.


Very informative Rakesh sir particularly the images. Still think it's all very provocative especially the "and lawful uses of the sea recognized in international law by challenging India's excessive maritime claims" bit, they could've done this but chose not to. You said it best, America is back to doing what they do best - bully others into submission. Hopefully such antics continue so we don't fall into another one of those "hindi amreeki bhai bhai" tropes.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 10 Apr 2021 10:16

The closer the embrace with the US historically, the greater the contempt for its ally . You can scroll the pages of history for examples. Plus,when the ally acts independently to exercise its sovereignty,ally becomes enemy.

I've always advocated friendship with the US, but at arms length.
The latest example of the " Ugly American", just reveals what lies beneath Yanqui skin. Unfortunately in recent years, fawning pro-US sentiment in the MEA and some quarters in the MOD/ services
have seen us go overboard in genuflection. But the rot started when Snake-Oil Singh signed the N-deal with the US and agreed in secret to buy huge quantities of US arms in return. Mr.Modi is NOT like the fawning White House butler, his predecessor ,who told Dubya Bush that we "loved" him! Similarly Snake-Oil sold the nation down the Red Sea when at Sharam-El-Sheikh he equated Paki terrorism in Kashmir to Indian humanitarian support for the Baluchis.That was prompted yet again by his white massa.

However,let this be a warning to the lemmings who want us to jump off the cliff into Yanqui arms,pun intended. While friendship and commonality of issues brings us together, mutual respect and maintaining our sovereignty and dignity is paramount,where no compromise can be permitted.

As a rebuff to this insult, suspending all naval exercises with the USN and a "holiday" from the Quad is the minimum of what must be done. Sergei Lavrov has just visited us,a return visit by our MEA minister and our Def Min. too to firm up deals long- pending
will send a signal message.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 10:26

m_saini wrote:Don't think we're going to do anything and neither can we, nor should we. A lot of our mil hardware comes from them including the Tejas engines, and in future mk2, TEDBF and AMCA ones.

This is what happens when you're dependent on someone. And to think IN wanted to get an entire carrier from these guys.

No need to shoot ourselves in the foot, or stand shyly because we buy some stuff from them. There are many ways to respond without hurting our interests, as long as we are not scared of standing by ourselves, or experiencing a little pain.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arshyam » 10 Apr 2021 10:29

Something for all of us to remember and periodically refresh in the collective memory:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" - Henry Kissinger

Truer words haven't been spoken.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 10 Apr 2021 17:28

arshyam wrote:Something for all of us to remember and periodically refresh in the collective memory:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" - Henry Kissinger. Truer words haven't been spoken.


And thats why India needs to keep the catspaw america at arm's length !!
America is more like that girl with borderline personality that you never want to get close but an occasional dalliance might work out after all !!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 10 Apr 2021 21:59

kit wrote:
arshyam wrote:Something for all of us to remember and periodically refresh in the collective memory:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" - Henry Kissinger. Truer words haven't been spoken.


And thats why India needs to keep the catspaw america at arm's length !!
America is more like that girl with borderline personality that you never want to get close but an occasional dalliance might work out after all !!


We always have the better alternative to get into an embrace by Circus Bear(Russsia) who will be controlled by the Bear Master(China). :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 22:12

Why should that be an alternative?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vivek K » 10 Apr 2021 22:22

Or maybe make our yards better at building ships quicker with supply chains under our control? Have enough Shivalik class to dominate the seas?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Rakesh wrote:Why should that be an alternative?


At the end of the day there are only two Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Vips wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Why should that be an alternative?


At the end of the day there are only Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.


well india can have its camp too ., it has its own umbrella :lol:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Parasu » 10 Apr 2021 23:15

US has never conducted FONOPS against Australia or Canada. FONOPS is only for Asians and Africans.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

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Vips wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Why should that be an alternative?


At the end of the day there are only Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.

Why is that not an option? What exactly is impractical about it?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 11 Apr 2021 02:45

Think of what a lack of UN veto umbrella implies and you will get your answer.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Vips » 11 Apr 2021 02:47

kit wrote:
Vips wrote:
At the end of the day there are only Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.


well india can have its camp too ., it has its own umbrella :lol:


Yeah an umbrella without the cloth or multiple holes in the cloth. :lol:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby titash » 11 Apr 2021 03:55

Vips wrote:
kit wrote:
well india can have its camp too ., it has its own umbrella :lol:


Yeah an umbrella without the cloth or multiple holes in the cloth. :lol:


Umbrella is the wrong metaphor. More like an igloo. Unlike umbrellas, it takes time to construct an igloo, but people notice you're doing it.

There are only 3 groups in the world:
> Tier1 People with 5000 odd nuclear weapons --> these do the invading/FONOPS without fear of reprisal

> Tier2 People with 0-500 odd nuclear weapons --> they don't get invaded, but they get FONOPS'ed / pissed upon, and have to grin and bear it

> Tier3 People with nothing - total nanga --> these guys get invaded unless they join alliances with Tier1

There's not too many options unless you want to go to war for H&D...which is not really on the priority list.

Need to learn from the Chinese...grin and bear it until you have 500+ strong navy with 10 EMALS carriers and 1000s of nuclear weapons; then you automatically get bumped to top dog. That should be our way forward as a nation of 1/6th of humanity. Anything else - alliances wise - is simply self-delusion

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Roop » 11 Apr 2021 04:35

Parasu wrote:US has never conducted FONOPS against Australia or Canada. FONOPS is only for Asians and Africans.

I'm afraid you're wrong. The US has conducted FONOPS against Canada -- it has regularly sailed its nuclear submarines through the Northwest Passage, i.e. under the ice in the Arctic Ocean (north of Canada) and brought the submarines to the surface in the Arctic Ocean, and have announced that they were doing this.

The Canadians were pissed off because they consider the Northwest Passage as their territorial waters, but the US rejects this claim and says that they are international waters. Many nations with nuclear submarines (UK, USSR/Russia, France) do likewise, i.e. openly transit the Passage, announcing they are doing so. They do so to make a point, i.e. that they reject Canada's claims.

The point is, if/when you think a country is making an unjustified/illegal claim of territorial authority (which I guess is what the US thinks India is doing) you would be foolish to ignore the claim just to "be polite", and quietly go about your business -- that will only lead to much worse trouble later. This was what the world did with China and those cr@ppy artificial islands in the SCS -- they ignored China's activities just in order to avoid a confrontation, and look where it landed up now (they are on the brink of war there).

As far as an EEZ (any EEZ) goes, it is not territorial waters. You cannot prevent other countries from transiting those waters peacefully (the so-called "right of innocent passage"), you can only prevent them from fishing/mining etc. there, or permanently patrolling there in a way that disrupts your own fishing/mining activities.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby KrishnaK » 11 Apr 2021 04:44

From India, China, and differing conceptions of the maritime order All of this is very well known to India. The US is under no obligation to follow Indian law anymore than India is obliged to follow US law. Beside that, the only force that's capable of keeping SLoC against China is the USN. This is a very small price to pay. So after all the pretend outrage has died down, India and the US are going to be back to doing what they already were, co-operating very closely.

New Delhi’s unease extends beyond the maritime probing actions of its traditional military rivals such as Pakistan and China, to encompass operations conducted by more friendly maritime powers such as the U.S. Navy. Indeed, like China, India has officially protested against U.S. intelligence gathering and survey activities in its EEZ on multiple occasions—against the USNS Bowditch in 2001 and 2004, and against the USNS Mary Sears in 2007.22 In the case of the USNS Mary Sears, India’s Ministry of External Affairs issued a diplomatic note stating that the U.S. vessel had been conducting marine scientific research (MSR) in its EEZ without its permission. As we shall see in the following section, the conflation of lawful military activities with MSR is one that is often made by regional challengers to freedom of navigation in EEZs. In this particular case, the U.S. State Department responded to India’s accusations with a note that elegantly framed the crux of the United States’ continued disagreements with India over foreign military activities in the EEZ, as well as over the “Maritime Zones Act”:
The United States recalls that coastal state jurisdiction in the EEZ is limited to resource-related matters. While Article 56 of the United Nations Convention of the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) recognizes coastal state exclusive resource rights, as well as jurisdiction over offshore installations, MSR and protection of the marine environment, in the EEZ, Article 58 of the Convention specifically provides that all states enjoy in the zone the traditional
high seas freedoms of navigation and overflight and other internationally lawful uses of the sea. Consistent with international law, the mission of the USNS Mary Sears is to collect marine data at various locations for military, not scientific, purposes. Accordingly, the conduct of military survey operations within a nation’s EEZ is not MSR and does not require permission from or prior notification of the coastal state. We follow the same policy in our own EEZ, requiring neither notification nor consent for foreign military survey activities in the U.S. EEZ. The United States also takes this opportunity to reaffirm its protest of those provisions of the Maritime Zones of India Act of 1976, which purport to assert jurisdiction over the EEZ in
a manner that is contrary to international law as reflected in UNCLOS. Insofar as the 1976 Act is applied to foreign military vessels engaged in military activities in the EEZ, to include military surveys and hydrographic surveys, a requirement for prior permission from Indian authorities is contrary to customary international law and UNCLOS. Accordingly, the Government of the United States rejects the claim to require consent for military activities in the EEZ. … The United States calls on India to respect the freedoms and rights guaranteed to all nations under international law for uses of the sea and airspace.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 11 Apr 2021 05:13

Chairman Mao famously said that a " loud fart was better than a long speech". The US did just that,farted in our own backyard.They've summed up well the famous Indian trait of speaking volumes, but doing precious little. We say that we will give a
"befitting reply" to Pak ad nauseum, verbal replies again and again, and on the rare occasions when we do hit back ,Balakot for example,we do not carry it further to cause real pain to the enemy.
As Tuco ( Eli Wallach) famously said in "The Good,the Bad and the Ugly," when you want to shoot,shoot,don't talk!"

Our erudite FM Jai, pontificates like a ruminating college professor.His entire China policy, appeasement of the Chin latter-day empire, grand welcome for XI at Mahabalipuram,etc.evaporated at Galwan. Indian Chin policy had stepped onto a landmine. The fall back plan of hanging onto the coat tails of Uncle Sam to administer corporal punishment to Pak, counter China forcefully has come to naught. Paki terror hasn't ceased at all in J& K, Chin bumboats - let alone their naval vessels, continue their cancerous spread across the Indo- China Sea, with the Quad said to be a non-military alliance!

{ saving grace is that of the Indian armed forces,who have time and time again saved the backsides of the political and babu establishment. Once the crisis is over,it's back to usual with the services fighting for their retirement rights,etc.
Therefore, a reassessment of our flawed policy of alignment with one power block or the other to help fight our battles is required.We do not need to jump into the Rus or US camp wholesale. We need as said before,to carve out our own sphere of influence in concert with other independent nations of the region, where we attract other entities to ourselves.

First steps to be taken by the GOI.
The IN like the PLAAN to be given top priority with a huge vv: in the naval budget,.
Acquisition of key missing platforms.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rony » 11 Apr 2021 07:26

I was waiting when the US rakshaks/Slaves/Uncle Toms/Coolies will come and start justifying US actions. They never disappoint me. US does it with Canada and other countries. So India should bear it. US is the only one who can save us from China. So India should bear it. Ack thoo

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 08:29

Rony wrote:I was waiting when the US rakshaks/Slaves/Uncle Toms/Coolies will come and start justifying US actions. They never disappoint me. US does it with Canada and other countries. So India should bear it. US is the only one who can save us from China. So India should bear it. Ack thoo

Apart from the standard diplomatic messaging (which the MEA did), there is nothing else that needs to be done.

Have you considered the fact that the US Navy also covertly enters India's waters? Not a soul knows. This time around, they did it out in the open.

Don't get too worked up about what folks post in here. Just read it for a good laugh. There is a Zaid Hamid in every country :)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 08:47

Vips wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Why should that be an alternative?

At the end of the day there are only two Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.

The GOI disagrees with you :)

US Needs To Learn To Work In More Multipolar World
http://www.businessworld.in/article/US- ... 0-300247/'
22 July 2020

"I think the US really has to learn to work with a more multipolar world with more plurilateral arrangements, go beyond alliances with which it has grown up in the last two generations," said Jaishankar at India Ideas Summit.

Multipolar is just another word for non-alignment. There will be no military alliances like NATO.

This idea has largely - in principle - trickled down to the military leadership as well. See below.

Quad won't be military alliance but there will be military cooperation: Army Chief
https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation ... 81597.html
25 March 2021

"It will not be a military alliance. There will definitely be military cooperation, both bilaterally between the countries of the Quad and as a quadrilateral also. But it would not be a military alliance in that sense," the Army Chief said.

India is still purchasing platforms from Russia (additional MiG-29s, Su-30MKIs, S-400, AK-203, Krivak frigates, etc).

And yet India will purchase US drones, additional P-8Is, MH-60Rs, CH-47 Chinooks, AH-64 Apaches, etc.

Welcome to India's multipolar world, in where India partners with everyone :)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 08:54

Vips wrote:
Rakesh wrote:Why should that be an alternative?

At the end of the day there are only two Camps - Russia-China China-Russia v/s US-UK-France.

Non Aligned or independent path (without the assured umbrella/safety of UN veto) is a non-practical path and hence not an option.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 99524?s=20 ---> View of USA's National Intelligence Council on the trajectory of Indo-Russia relations:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 08:56

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 84322?s=20 ---> All in all, US secured a self goal with the announcement, at least optically. I don't think it'll change anything though.

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 83200?s=20 ---> I get that FONOPS are a matter of principle. Press releases like this are not. Backing a major political and military partner into a corner for no tangible benefit. Pick your battles, jeez.

https://twitter.com/tanvi_madan/status/ ... 13858?s=20 ---> One thing India-United States have to get better at...

* United States: Understanding historical baggage it has in India and how what might be seen as innocuous/normal steps in US will be perceived in India.

* India: Understanding everything US does is not a grand plan targeting India—or even just a grand plan.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 09:01

It does not matter whether you agree or disagree with the views, but read this twitter thread.

https://twitter.com/resplinodell/status ... 32996?s=20 ---> The US dismisses India's objections to US Freedom of Navigation operations against India's maritime claims by saying the US does FONOPs against 'excessive' maritime claims of nations round the world, friend & foe. This is both misleading & revealing. 1/17...

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 09:06

Another twitter thread from Captain DK Sharma, the former PRO for the Indian Navy. Click on link below...

https://twitter.com/CaptDKS/status/1380 ... 97826?s=20 ---> How many of us are aware that we monitor movement of each & every ship (merchant marine & warship), submarine & aircraft in our area of responsibility/ area of interest 24 X 7 X 365? How do we do that? With how many countries do we have agreements to share this info?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Rakesh » 11 Apr 2021 09:07

:lol:

https://twitter.com/d_extrovert/status/ ... 68192?s=20 ---> Thank you US Navy for the cardiopulmonary resuscitation operation you just performed on the non-alignment lobby in India.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby SSridhar » 11 Apr 2021 09:22

The following three are important reads to understand the issue thoroughly, IMHO.

The 7th Fleet Commander Statement Shows Just One Thing—United States’ Stupidity - Vice Admiral Pradeep Chauhan

UNCLOS & EEZ Violations: Is There A Grey Zone? - Rear Adm. Sudarshan Shrikhande Retd

India ‘Chased’ a Chinese Ship from its EEZ but US Intrusions Go Unchallenged - Manoj Joshi, ORF

Below are the Articles of the UNCLOS

EXCLUSIVE ECONOMIC ZONE

Article55

Specific legal regime of the exclusive economic zone

The exclusive economic zone is an area beyond and adjacent to the territorial sea, subject to the specific legal regime established in this Part, under which the rights and jurisdiction of the coastal State and the rights and freedoms of other States are governed by the relevant provisions of this Convention.


Article56

Rights, jurisdiction and duties of the coastal State in the exclusive economic zone

1. In the exclusive economic zone, the coastal State has:

(a) sovereign rights for the purpose of exploring and exploiting, conserving and managing the natural resources, whether living or non-living, of the waters superjacent to the seabed and of the seabed and its subsoil, and with regard to other activities for the economic exploitation and exploration of the zone, such as the production of energy from the water, currents and winds;

(b) jurisdiction as provided for in the relevant provisions of this Convention with regard to:

(i) the establishment and use of artificial islands, installations and structures;

(ii) marine scientific research;

(iii) the protection and preservation of the marine environment;

(c) other rights and duties provided for in this Convention.

2. In exercising its rights and performing its duties under this Convention in the exclusive economic zone, the coastal State shall have due regard to the rights and duties of other States and shall act in a manner compatible with the provisions of this Convention.

3. The rights set out in this article with respect to the seabed and subsoil shall be exercised in accordance with Part VI.

Article57

Breadth of the exclusive economic zone

The exclusive economic zone shall not extend beyond 200 nautical miles from the baselines from which the breadth of the territorial sea is measured.

Article58

Rights and duties of other States in the exclusive economic zone

1. In the exclusive economic zone, all States, whether coastal or land-locked, enjoy, subject to the relevant provisions of this Convention, the freedoms referred to in article 87 of navigation and overflight and of the laying of submarine cables and pipelines, and other internationally lawful uses of the sea related to these freedoms, such as those associated with the operation of ships, aircraft and submarine cables and pipelines, and compatible with the other provisions of this Convention.

2. Articles 88 to 115 and other pertinent rules of international law apply to the exclusive economic zone in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part.

3. In exercising their rights and performing their duties under this Convention in the exclusive economic zone, States shall have due regard to the rights and duties of the coastal State and shall comply with the laws and regulations adopted by the coastal State in accordance with the provisions of this Convention and other rules of international law in so far as they are not incompatible with this Part.

Article 87
Freedom of the high seas
1. The high seas are open to all States, whether coastal or land-locked.
Freedom of the high seas is exercised under the conditions laid down by this
Convention and by other rules of international law. It comprises, inter alia,
both for coastal and land-locked States:
(a) freedom of navigation;
(b) freedom of overflight;
(c) freedom to lay submarine cables and pipelines, subject to
Part VI;
(d) freedom to construct artificial islands and other installations
permitted under international law, subject to Part VI;
(e) freedom of fishing, subject to the conditions laid down in
section 2;
(f) freedom of scientific research, subject to Parts VI and XIII.
2. These freedoms shall be exercised by all States with due regard for
the interests of other States in their exercise of the freedom of the high seas,
and also with due regard for the rights under this Convention with respect to
activities in the Area.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Atmavik » 11 Apr 2021 09:50

^^^is freedom of navigation available to sealocked countries? (plij dont ask me what the heal that is)

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby Philip » 11 Apr 2021 11:08

Now watch the Chins following the US action in the future! With friends like the US,who needs enemies?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby kit » 11 Apr 2021 12:41

Philip wrote:Now watch the Chins following the US action in the future! With friends like the US,who needs enemies?

Indeed being its "friend" is probably worse than the enemy !!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 03 July 2018

Postby arvin » 11 Apr 2021 13:14

Regarding P8i deliveries, 3 more coming this year and deal for 6 more in pipeline. Once this is done no need to import anymore.
The A320 based awacs should be modified to carry the MAD, APS-143 and Link 2 to make it Navy compatible.


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