Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 25 Mar 2021 21:38

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1374 ... 53280?s=20 ---->

Conducting a thorough inspection of a Su-30MKI after a successful mission in UAE...the last phase of #ExDesertFlag.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby nachiket » 25 Mar 2021 23:50

Kartik wrote:Astra Mk1 BVRAAM between the intakes of a Su-30MKI

Awesome! So they must be testing the drop launched Astra. Very important for the MKI fleet since it has 4 fuselage HP's which can't use the rail launcher we had earlier. Now I'm hoping we can see this CGI by Kuntal Biswas in real life someday:

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby JayS » 26 Mar 2021 01:50

That must be the ejector pylon.

Kartik wrote:Astra Mk1 BVRAAM between the intakes of a Su-30MKI

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Prasad » 26 Mar 2021 09:31

Would be interesting to find out what launcher they used. The NGARM uses an existing trapeze launcher. The MKI carries the R-27 on those hardpoints (there's a beautiful picture on BR of a fully loaded MKI with 4 x R27 and 4x R77).

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby titash » 26 Mar 2021 10:44

That appears to be an R-77 not Astra based on mid-body fins shaping

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kartik » 26 Mar 2021 11:33

Dennis wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/AviationWall/status/1374369896402874373?s=20 ---> You can’t blend in when you are born to stand out. The Aviators of the Indian Air Force with their bird Su-30MKI.


What's the pod/device hanging off the outer pylon on the starboard wing? ACMI pod with a cover on it?


Litening LDP

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Dennis » 26 Mar 2021 18:36

Kartik wrote:
Dennis wrote:
What's the pod/device hanging off the outer pylon on the starboard wing? ACMI pod with a cover on it?


Litening LDP


This (highlighted) is the pod I was curious about.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby nachiket » 26 Mar 2021 21:48

titash wrote:That appears to be an R-77 not Astra based on mid-body fins shaping

Yeah we may have jumped the gun a bit. Looks like an R-77 to me too now that you say it.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 06 Apr 2021 22:45

The incident that I know of in the IAF is the (fatal) belly landing of a MiG-29 by Air Commodore CD Chandrasekhar [ http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/8426 ] on 21 Jan 1997. I still remember seeing the picture of that MiG-29 covered in tarpaulins, post the accident.

https://twitter.com/Mave_Intel/status/1 ... 51557?s=20 ---> Interesting picture of Ugandan Air Force Su-30 belly landing (OLD).

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Philip » 07 Apr 2021 11:35

12 AAMs on an MKI. What is the max that the Rafale can carry?
Another point, can the MKI theoretically carry the Kinzhal hyper- AAM?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby LakshmanPST » 07 Apr 2021 11:50

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/HALHQBLR/status/137 ... 44576?s=20 ---> HAL’s Nashik Division completes production from Raw Material phase (Phase IV) of 140 Sukhoi 30 MKI aircraft contract.


Ever since I saw this tweet, I had this doubt---> "We ordered 140 jets in the year 2000... After that we ordered 40 and 42 jets in two separate contracts in 2007 and 2012... Then why is this news item mentioning order of 140 jets and not the later orders...?"
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A little googling and what I found was that the orders for 40 and 42 jets that were signed in 2007 and 2012 were for knocked down kits to be bought directly from Russia and assembled at Nashik...
My guess is (I may be wrong here), Nashik assembly line is used for assembling both indigenous license produced Su30s and Su30s assembled from kits from Russia...
I also found a 2006 article which says that IAF is asking HAL to increase the capacity at Nashik line from 8 jets per year to 12 per year...
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I have a question for some gurus here--->
Is the Su30 production/Assembly at Nashik completed or is it still going on...??? Coz. at 8 jets delivered per year from 2004 to 2007 and 12 jets per year from 2007 to 2021, the total no. of jets produced is still around 200-210 only and not 222...

Is it a case that the order for locally manufactured 140 jets got over, but some jets from the 2012 order are still pending...???
Or is it a case that HAL increased the production rate beyond 12 jets per year, so the production completed now...???

I personally believe that few jets from 2012 order are still pending coz., if all the jets were delivered, IAF would have raised the 13th squadron already...

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Philip » 07 Apr 2021 12:39

Lakshman,I think that all contracted MKIs have been completed. That was made official.The extra 12 MKIs ( plus 21 MIG-29s) to be xcuired from Ru. in the report last year was clearly specified for attritions.That's perhaps why the no. of sqds. has remained at 12(?).
Nasik is waiting for the SS upgrade of over 200 MKIs ,mentioned by the media , which will keep it busy for a decade. Perhaps movement on this will happen after Putin visits India.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby LakshmanPST » 07 Apr 2021 15:34

Philip ji...
Found some old article from 2013 which said that 122 jets have been produced as on February 2013... Looks like HAL met the deadline with 100 more delivered by March 2021 (12 jets*8 years =96 jets)...
There was higher production rate between 2004 to 2013 as initial phases were mere assembly of CKD kits and not full production... That was probably the reason they finished it fast...
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Anyways, IAF already has 262 Su30s... It was planned to have 13 and half squadrons of Su30s, with each squadron having 20 jets...
Putting aside the half squadron, IAF has 12 jets with which they can raise the 13th squadron... These 10-12 jets were probably delivered only this year, hence the delay... Hope we will see it raised soon...

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Manish_P » 07 Apr 2021 19:08

Philip wrote:..Another point, can the MKI theoretically carry the Kinzhal hyper- AAM?


Philip sir, is the Kinzhal an AAM? I thought it was a hypersonic ALBM..

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby kit » 07 Apr 2021 19:09

Manish_P wrote:
Philip wrote:..Another point, can the MKI theoretically carry the Kinzhal hyper- AAM?


Philip sir, is the Kinzhal an AAM? I thought it was a hypersonic ALBM..


Kh-47M2 Kinzhal ("dagger") is a Russian nuclear-capable air-launched ballistic missile (ALBM). It has a claimed range of more than 2,000 km. It might a bit too big for an AAM :mrgreen:

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Manish_P » 07 Apr 2021 21:30

Apparently nothing is too far fetched for Russia. If they can have a near perpetual powered nuclear torpedo roaming around the world's oceans then why not a ultra long range, persistent loitering 'hype'r AAM.. Now there's a thought eh :)

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Vips » 08 Apr 2021 05:13

Of course, remember how they claimed a couple of years back that work on the 6G Fighter had begun? This when they were (and are still) struggling with the 5G 4.5 ++ SU57 :rotfl:

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Philip » 08 Apr 2021 18:43

Apols,error ,I meant ASM. Our BMos ASM has around only 300+km at the moment. Until our desi hyper-ASM arrives, It would make a huge difference when used against the PRC since we do not have a dedicated bomber either tactical or strategic at the moment. Our BMos MKIs are fine for striking targets against Pak,but against targets deep into PRC territory, maritime space, another matter.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby RajaRudra » 08 Apr 2021 19:52

Philip wrote:Apols,error ,I meant ASM. Our BMos ASM has around only 300+km at the moment. Until our desi hyper-ASM arrives, It would make a huge difference when used against the PRC since we do not have a dedicated bomber either tactical or strategic at the moment. Our BMos MKIs are fine for striking targets against Pak,but against targets deep into PRC territory, maritime space, another matter.


:D Given a chance, you will try import even the kerchiefs from vodka land(just kidding 8) )

Chances of importing those when ruskies are knee deep in dependence on cheenis is nil. Time to move on with current relation status.
Russia is a good technically powerful friend once, and still so relatively.

Russia is/will play both sides and now even playing with pakistan side also..

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Kakkaji » 10 Apr 2021 04:21

IAF chief flies Su-30MKI fighter jet to witness its 'capability enhancement'

Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria Thursday flew a Su-30MKI fighter jet in Bengaluru to witness its "capability enhancement", the Indian Air Force (IAF) said.

"CAS (Chief of Air Staff) visited Bengaluru and interacted with test crew of Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE) & software engineers of Software Development Institute," it said on Twitter.

Bhadauria reviewed ongoing projects during his visit on Thursday and flew a Su-30MKI aircraft to "witness the capability enhancement on successful completion of one such project", the IAF stated.


What are these "Capability Enhancements" that are ready for the Chief to test now?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby John » 10 Apr 2021 06:59

RajaRudra wrote:Given a chance, you will try import even the kerchiefs from vodka land(just kidding )

Take Russian claims with grain of salt given how the weapon its based on Iskander proved to be utter garbage in Armenia, super duper missile that is immune to all western air defenses got shot down by Barak-8 or it failed and fell apart either way not good for Russians.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 10 Apr 2021 07:19

Kakkaji wrote:What are these "Capability Enhancements" that are ready for the Chief to test now?

That is what I am trying to find out too! :lol: I am assuming some aspect of the Super Sukhoi upgrade, but I could be way off.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/138 ... 96992?s=20 ---> IAF Chief ACM Rakesh Bhadauria took a spin in a Su-30MKI today with unspecified software enhancements.

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1380 ... 16390?s=20 ---> CAS visited Bengaluru & interacted with test crew of Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment & software engineers of Software Development Institute. He reviewed ongoing projects & flew a Su-30MKI to witness the capability enhancement on successful completion of one such project.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 04613?s=20 ---> IAF chief flies an enhanced version of Su-30 MKI at the Aircraft And Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE).

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 10 Apr 2021 09:02

What is enhanced version of Su 30MKI?
- Enhanced version because it can Brahmos or cause it has got Maws and SDR, or if jingo wishes are true it has got all the goodies like Maws, SDR , Uttam Aesa , Siva pod and dozen other things. But from what Rakesh has written probably has SDR and better FBW.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby sankum » 10 Apr 2021 12:09

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ht48FBo1kK4/ ... C00689.jpg

Upgraded cockpit image by HAL infoboard.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby fanne » 11 Apr 2021 06:42

Wow that is some serious avionics upgrade, on top of that voice activated!!

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 11 Apr 2021 15:40

With Pakistan about to get 8 more F16 to fight for terrorists, I hope IAF starts stockpiling Astra mk1' s and R77-1's, the R77 AE short range put us in difficulty on 27 Feb 19

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Vips » 11 Apr 2021 20:09

Aditya_V wrote:What is enhanced version of Su 30MKI?
- Enhanced version because it can Brahmos or cause it has got Maws and SDR, or if jingo wishes are true it has got all the goodies like Maws, SDR , Uttam Aesa , Siva pod and dozen other things. But from what Rakesh has written probably has SDR and better FBW.


Software upgrade to enhance Radar capability and to test very shortly the Astra MK2.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 12 Apr 2021 06:06

Aditya_V wrote:With Pakistan about to get 8 more F16 to fight for terrorists, I hope IAF starts stockpiling Astra mk1' s and R77-1's, the R77 AE short range put us in difficulty on 27 Feb 19

That news is not true. Recycled news from 2016 which did not materialize.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Apr 2021 08:29

Yes, Sir the 8 F-16 story is certainly false, but we must double on Astra orders, which should augment production capacity, it will also help induct Astra-2 and later on SFDR in numbers, the bars radar is underutilized with the Short ranged RVV-AE. I am Sure PAF are developing more tactics using the range differential between Aim-120-C and the RVV-AE, we can't have Metoer equipped Rafale's covering every combat zone.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby LakshmanPST » 12 Apr 2021 13:05

Rakesh wrote:That news is not true. Recycled news from 2016 which did not materialize.


Yes sir... It was not being discussed in any of the Paki forums...

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby nachiket » 12 Apr 2021 23:09

sankum wrote:https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ht48FBo1kK4/Xj0x79MpIaI/AAAAAAAASgQ/_Ph0gJ-oOf81JDbX6nLb74CblYS4IULGgCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/DSC00689.jpg

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This is the cockpit upgrade being proposed by HAL for the Super-30 upgrade correct?

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby sankum » 13 Apr 2021 01:59

Yes.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby jaysimha » 14 Apr 2021 14:41

Did IAF Chief Fly SU-30MKI Fighter Jet To Check On Latest Upgrades Including BrahMos & MICA Missiles?
By EurAsian Times Desk April 9, 2021
https://eurasiantimes.com/did-iaf-chief ... QeZ9dVIHd0

While the service did not explain what this “capability enhancement” is all about, there is speculation that the IAF chief took stock of the upgrades made on the aircraft to carry home-grown weapons such BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, RUDRAM anti-radiation missile besides the European MICA air-to-air missile.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Apr 2021 15:26

jaysimha wrote:Did IAF Chief Fly SU-30MKI Fighter Jet To Check On Latest Upgrades Including BrahMos & MICA Missiles?
By EurAsian Times Desk April 9, 2021
https://eurasiantimes.com/did-iaf-chief ... QeZ9dVIHd0

While the service did not explain what this “capability enhancement” is all about, there is speculation that the IAF chief took stock of the upgrades made on the aircraft to carry home-grown weapons such BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, RUDRAM anti-radiation missile besides the European MICA air-to-air missile.


These are pretty expensive and soon have 22 Rafale to go with 47 M-2000's, I don't think there are enough Mica missiles to spare for use by the SU-30 MKI,

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby srai » 15 Apr 2021 20:49

^^^
Probably meant ASRAAM manufactured by the same company

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby srai » 15 Apr 2021 21:02

Although there are more than one article that mention Su-30MKI and MICA.

India Test-fires French MICA Missile from Su-30MKI Jet

August 21, 2020
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The Indian Air Force (IAF) has reportedly covertly test-fired two rounds of French MICA missiles from a Su-30MKI fighter on August 17 and 18, ahead of the missile’s integration with the Rafale.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby sankum » 15 Apr 2021 21:51

Mica IR is possible but how can Mica RF be slaved to Russian radar.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby Rakesh » 15 Apr 2021 22:56

The beauty of desi jugaad - mating multiple systems (in this case Russian & French) for optimal performance.

Cannot be done on American platforms due to political reasons.

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Re: Su-30MKI: News and Discussion - August 9, 2014

Postby YashG » 15 Apr 2021 23:26

Rakesh wrote:The beauty of desi jugaad - mating multiple systems (in this case Russian & French) for optimal performance.

Cannot be done on American platforms due to political reasons.


I think only MKI can do this. Not even MKM can do this. Also If Jets can carry other types also, in a wartime - logistics would be simpler.


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