Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Leonard » 11 Mar 2021 05:07

Some stuff from a US F14 pilot who engaged with Paki Fizzleya in exercises ..
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27889/confessions-of-a-navy-f-14-fleet-pilot-turned-f-5-aggressor

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I flew BFM against a variety of dissimilar aircraft as a Tomcat pilot. During a memorable week off the coast of Pakistan we flew a number of BFM and BVR sorties against the Pakistani Air Force. I still have some spectacular HUD footage from engagements against MiG-21s (J-7s).

:rotfl: I remember being amazed at the lack of proficiency and proper weapons employment from their F-16 pilots. :rotfl:

When we were in the Persian Gulf, we had a week where we fought the Emirati Mirage 2000-5 pilots. They were actually quite aggressive pilots who displayed a keen awareness of the tactics to employ against the weaknesses of the F-14A. They would jam to the merge, then pull 9Gs, flying so high we almost lost sight. If we did, they would tag us with a heater (infrared short-range guided missile). But if you could survive the first merge to employ follow-on BFM, they became easy prey.

Probably the single best BFM platform I ever flew against was the F-16N. Stripped down and slicked up, it was a dogfighting monster, virtually unbeatable.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2021 05:24

Dutifully illustrated at Balakot. Well done Pakistan Air Force! :)

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Postby YashG » 11 Mar 2021 11:33

rohitvats wrote:I wonder where did the Greeks of all people got the details about JF-17 operational issues.


One likely scenario. Turkish sources planted this information in greek media. Turkey likely maintains sources in Greek system. This to get better negotiation position with Pakistan or perhaps undermine JF-17. They are discussing joint projects.

Another, Greek Intelligence picked it - undermining Pak JF-17 may reduce the allure of joint projects with Pakistan in Turkish system.

Remember Turkish JF-17 is good for Erdogan, not Turkey. Erdo's hawkish policies have made turkey a pariah, there military personnel might be feeling the heat but cant disagree openly. Nixing partnership with Pakistan will be good for other institutions in Turkey.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 11 Mar 2021 14:45

Leonard wrote:Some stuff from a US F14 pilot who engaged with Paki Fizzleya in exercises ..
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27889/confessions-of-a-navy-f-14-fleet-pilot-turned-f-5-aggressor

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I flew BFM against a variety of dissimilar aircraft as a Tomcat pilot. During a memorable week off the coast of Pakistan we flew a number of BFM and BVR sorties against the Pakistani Air Force. I still have some spectacular HUD footage from engagements against MiG-21s (J-7s).

:rotfl: I remember being amazed at the lack of proficiency and proper weapons employment from their F-16 pilots. :rotfl:

When we were in the Persian Gulf, we had a week where we fought the Emirati Mirage 2000-5 pilots. They were actually quite aggressive pilots who displayed a keen awareness of the tactics to employ against the weaknesses of the F-14A. They would jam to the merge, then pull 9Gs, flying so high we almost lost sight. If we did, they would tag us with a heater (infrared short-range guided missile). But if you could survive the first merge to employ follow-on BFM, they became easy prey.

Probably the single best BFM platform I ever flew against was the F-16N. Stripped down and slicked up, it was a dogfighting monster, virtually unbeatable.

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Priceless! He picked them out for special mention! Must tell you how lousy they would've been.. :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Manish_P » 11 Mar 2021 17:50

From the same interview... words from the wise

There is a glut of third generation fighters on the world market - Mirage F-1s, F-5s, A-4s – that are being upgraded with AESA radars, top line RWR gear, jamming pods, and other fifth generation toys, making them capable adversaries to F-35s and F-22s and at a fraction of the hull costs.

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Postby jamwal » 11 Mar 2021 19:24

Has anyone seen this JY-27A anti-stealth radar anywhere else in Pakistan? Sep 2019. Mianwali airbase. 32°33'4.44"N 71°33'32.22"E
When and where were HQ-9s spotted?
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Postby VinodTK » 11 Mar 2021 20:38

US blocks Turkey's 30 locally-made attack helicopter sale to Pakistan

The United States has prevented Turkey from supplying 30 locally made attack helicopters to Pakistan, Turkish Presidential spokesperson Ibrahim Kalin said.

During a briefing on Monday, Kalin noted that the US blocked Turkey's helicopter sale to Pakistan, which will likely lead to Islamabad buying it from China and cause more detriment to Washington down the line, Daily Sabah reported.
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Postby Anujan » 11 Mar 2021 22:04

You have to admire the Pakis for no bureaucracy as far as military procurement are concerned.

The turkish helos are comparable to LCH and probably purchased to anticipating our procurement of LCH.

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Postby Rakesh » 12 Mar 2021 01:21

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 87777?s=20 ---> Report: Pakistan's finance ministry officials call emergency meeting after UAE demands repayment of $1 billion loan in 24 hours.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 57730?s=20 ---> Report: China currently operating 5 Confucius Institutes in Pakistan to teach 'Chinese culture & language' to Pakistani youth, plans to set up more such institutes.

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Postby Rakesh » 12 Mar 2021 01:25

Read the post above and then see this.... :rotfl: :lol:

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Anujan » 12 Mar 2021 03:37

Someone once tweeted "If US doesn't give money to Pakistan, Pakistan will have no options but to take money from China"

I thought it was satire. Apparently it is a real threat. :rotfl:

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Postby Aditya_V » 14 Mar 2021 09:35

And quite frankly in Paki experience it has worked well. The day the West realizes that their present strategy is a disaster for themselves only then the life support plug this artificial state is on will be pulled.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 16 Mar 2021 02:44

1980s Pakistan Air Force documentary


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Postby Philip » 16 Mar 2021 05:10

F-35s for the PAF, high hopes ?! The US is seriously considering cutting down on the programme,virtual closure given its staggering costs and fractional combat deployability,the head of the Congressional committee calling it a " rathole".Secondly, the Chinks being so far up the nether end of the Pakis,the US will want no more pilfering of US aerospace secrets as the Pakis in debt to the Chinks upto their noses, will pass on willingly any secrets of firang milware. They are fit to fly only the JF-17 "Blunder" in all its variants. Anything else the Chinks feel they can handle .....and pay for (!), may arrive later.

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Mar 2021 02:54

Air Marshal Haseeb Paracha has been appointed as VCAS. He lobbied hard for CAS post.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 36332?s=20 ---> New PAF Chief Zaheer A. Babar has less than 2000 flying hours in his career, which is the lowest flying exp for a PAF CAS in 4 decades.

Air Marshal Zaheer Babar @ left

Air Marshal Haseeb Paracha @ right

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 18 Mar 2021 14:31

Any chance that many in the PAF don't exactly know what happened on 27-Feb-19, are unaware of F-16 losses, Amraam misses, and you do not deliberately miss after using PGM's and there was no SU-30MKI hit?

Wonder when do the Pakistani Armed forces men realize their missiles and Nukes are not indigenous and much of their propaganda is false.

Personally I hope many are blind to reality and a majority of them in the dark, it will contribute more mistakes by them in future without lessons being learnt.

Imagine being the PAF knowing the truth but having to tell your family and everyone around false stories? How DG ISPR say no F-16 used in Swift retreat? How does a PAF officer come on TV and says a nearly intact Amraam missile must have been recovered from a downed SU-30MKI? How many know what are lies and what is the truth?

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Postby Aditya G » 18 Mar 2021 15:49

Aditya_V wrote:Any chance that many in the PAF don't exactly know what happened on 27-Feb-19, are unaware of F-16 losses, Amraam misses, and you do not deliberately miss after using PGM's and there was no SU-30MKI hit?

Wonder when do the Pakistani Armed forces men realize their missiles and Nukes are not indigenous and much of their propaganda is false.

Personally I hope many are blind to reality and a majority of them in the dark, it will contribute more mistakes by them in future without lessons being learnt.

Imagine being the PAF knowing the truth but having to tell your family and everyone around false stories? How DG ISPR say no F-16 used in Swift retreat? How does a PAF officer come on TV and says a nearly intact Amraam missile must have been recovered from a downed SU-30MKI? How many know what are lies and what is the truth?


Sometime back i went to official PAF website - they still state ludicrous MM Alam claims from '65. PAF has a tradition of officially lying and it is something I have never understood.

You are talking about a country which believes its own lies. Everybody knows that lying is accepted way of conducting business in the country, which perhaps explains why Pakistanis love conspiracy theories as they try to uncover hidden truths in every development.

This is a commentary on the low moral standing of their nation - their heroes, such Wg Cdr Siddiqui have no qualms in accepting an award for a fictitious achievement, no issues in coming on stage and goes ahead and poses for pictures in the "museum". If these are your heroes then what can you expect of the common man?

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby wig » 28 Mar 2021 09:38

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/arti ... nry/738017
Pakistan Army's Special Service Group looking to buy high-quality weaponry

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The SSG, which often supports terrorists in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir in their attacks on the Indian Army's border posts, is keen to buy high-quality weapons. They include:

1 The M4A1 Colt assault rifle, which is an improved version of the M4 and is used by the U.S. special forces. The M4 is a regular with most units of the US Army

2 The AN/PVS-14 monocular night vision device, used not only by the US armed forces but also its NATO allies.

3 The more advanced ATPIAL/AN/PEQ-15 or the Advanced Target Pointer Illuminator Aiming Light. This is also with the US Armed forces.

4 Thermal imaging stand-alone sights for the M-4 assault rifles. This is, of course, for night fighting.

5 The Minimi or the M249 light machine gun, the American version of a Belgian weapon. It has been a mainstay of the American armed forces personnel for over two decades.

6 The Glock-19 9mm pistol, Austrian-made and widely in use all over the world.

7 Binoculars using thermal imaging. The SSG is clearly working on improving it's night fighting capabilities.

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Postby Rakesh » 31 Mar 2021 19:42

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 84546?s=20 ---> Report: The increasing U.S.-versus-China rivalry has left heads spinning in Pakistani establishment, admitted a Pakistani official. Pakistan is concerned as they will not be able to take advantage from both sides and will have to choose a side.

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Postby Rakesh » 06 Apr 2021 05:27

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 10817?s=20 ---> Unconfirmed reports that Pentagon blocked USAF from sending fighters jets to Pakistan for an ongoing aerial exercise (Aces Meet 2021). Only a non-flying US contingent (JTACs, Bt managers) will participate. Confirmation awaited.

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Postby Rakesh » 06 Apr 2021 05:39

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 00099?s=20 ---> Pakistan applies for soft loan from China for purchasing FD-2000 air defence systems with 125 km range.

https://twitter.com/Firezstarter1/statu ... 26501?s=20 ---> The Rudram series pre-empted this purchase.

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Postby Vips » 06 Apr 2021 08:04

FD-2000 is the export (downgraded) version of the Chinese HQ 9 which itself is the reverse engineered and less capable version of the S300 :lol:

Nevertheless there will be now posts/blogs by Porkis claiming FD-2000 can detect and target missiles launched from outside the solar system and how it is superior to the S400 to be acquired by India.

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Postby Rakesh » 06 Apr 2021 23:03

Why does not Bajwa himself come to Delhi? :lol: He does not need the Pak PM's permission.

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 79265?s=20 ---> Report: Pak Army chief Bajwa wants meeting between Indian PM Modi and Pak PM Impran Khan.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Manish_P » 07 Apr 2021 14:50

Good example of Paki ammo quality.

Of course it might well be that the POF ammo is perfect for the weapons made locally at Darra Adam Khel :mrgreen:


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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 20 Apr 2021 05:13

:lol:

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 85285?s=20 ---> Pak Army Chief, General Bajwa is scared that this time his 111 Brigade instead of capturing Pak PMO, may end up capturing GHQ.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 20 Apr 2021 10:23

Rakesh wrote::lol:

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 85285?s=20 ---> Pak Army Chief, General Bajwa is scared that this time his 111 Brigade instead of capturing Pak PMO, may end up capturing GHQ.


That way Paki military has been very disciplined, no Yahya takeover from Ayub types in last few years, lower ranks quietly retire

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby anupmisra » 20 Apr 2021 18:43

Aditya_V wrote:That way Paki military has been very disciplined, no Yahya takeover from Ayub types in last few years, lower ranks quietly retire


Paki military is well aware now of international repercussions if a military coup d'etat is even attempted. The last time it happened under mushy in 1999, PA was given a lifeline due to 9/11.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2021 18:54

:lol:

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 09632?s=20 ---> Pakistan Army will not be able to fight a war lasting even for just 24 hours, alleges senior Pakistan politician Fazlur Rehman.

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Re: Pakistan Armed Forces: News & Discussion Thread

Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2021 18:55

https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 25474?s=20 ---> US to continue maintenance of electronic warfare suites on-board Pakistani F-16s till 2026. PAF F-16 uses ALQ-211(V)9 as it's EW systems.


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