Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ernest » 22 Jul 2021 11:33

The T-72 Akash Launcher was such a beauty. I remember watching videos in early 2010s where it would go hopping sand dunes, while swinging the missiles. Looked so alive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laR3yp2Rr1A

not the exact video that I remember, but still so cool


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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 23 Jul 2021 13:34

AlphaDefense had an article saying the same thing earlier this month

https://alphadefense.in/drdo-vshorad-manpad-alpha-exclusive/

They say that the Igla-S deal was scrapped in favor of the indigenous MANPAD from DRDO. But knowing the IA, I will believe it when I see it getting inducted.

Some interesting snippets. The IDRW article claims that there will be a Datalink to network distributed MANPAD operators for target acquisition & minimizing friendly fire. If true, this is a really neat capability. A UAV could inform a network of MANPAD operators about a hostile that will enter their kill-zone much before they actually hear/see it - sensor/shooter separation.

IDRW claims a 5 Km range, while AlphaDefense claims 7 Km.

The specs: multi-spectral optical + Infrared + UV seeker, IFF, datalink, range, altitude, weight, ability to target cruise missiles & UAVs - all point to this being in the same class as the latest Igla (9K333 Verba) & Stinger-92E versions

The various programs feed off each other: there would be common elements in the optical/IIR seeker tech, LOBL of MANPAD, MANPATGM, Helina and the CCM Akash (even though the infra-red wavelengths might be different). Lightweight launch tube, cold-launch followed by motor ignition at safe distanc etc is common to MANPAD & MANPATGM.

Interesting days ahead

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Jul 2021 15:35

Akash-NG successfully tested again

New Generation Akash (#AkashNG) #missile successfully flight tested from Integrated Test Range off #Odisha coast. The missile intercepts a high-speed unmanned aerial target amid inclement weather conditions proving its all-weather capability.

https://twitter.com/TheHemantRout/statu ... 84385?s=20

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 23 Jul 2021 15:44

DRDO is on a roll!

Here's Rout's report on the tests a couple of days back: https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/jul/21/india-successfully-test-fires-new-generation-akash-surface-to-air-missile-anti-tank-missile-2333382.html

What's very interesting is that the Akash-NG seems to be a "system on a truck". Surveillance, track & fire-control radar are all the same & are mounted in a 4-wall configuration on the same truck which carries the pack of 6 missiles.

The pictures of the truck are covered with the missile exhaust but from the angle, it looks like a slewable missile config, which makes one wonder how that works with the 4-wall radar. The missile is canisterized.

Even though this is only the 3rd test, the last 2 tests have been in a full-operational-configuration. It shows the level of maturity & confidence.

If its truly a "system on a truck", this is just insanely hi-tech!

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby ashishvikas » 23 Jul 2021 16:50

Truck launcher from a different angle.. visibility is little better in this picture.

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https://twitter.com/DefenceDecode/statu ... 38852?s=20

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby jamwal » 23 Jul 2021 17:47

Nice job DRDO. Is there any image or graphic about Akash battery structure? Reminds me of Tor.
This less complicated version could actually accompany a progressing army column deep in to enemy territory.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby arvin » 23 Jul 2021 18:37

Prem Kumar wrote:AlphaDefense had an article saying the same thing earlier this month

https://alphadefense.in/drdo-vshorad-manpad-alpha-exclusive/
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The specs: multi-spectral optical + Infrared + UV seeker, IFF, datalink, range, altitude, weight, ability to target cruise missiles & UAVs - all point to this being in the same class as the latest Igla (9K333 Verba) & Stinger-92E versions

The various programs feed off each other: there would be common elements in the optical/IIR seeker tech, LOBL of MANPAD, MANPATGM, Helina and the CCM Akash (even though the infra-red wavelengths might be different). Lightweight launch tube, cold-launch followed by motor ignition at safe distanc etc is common to MANPAD & MANPATGM.
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Interesting days ahead


Good to see MANPADs in advance stage of development now. Something as basic as that should have been initiated as part of IGMDP in 80s.
MANPADs would have been a low hanging fruit to achieve since basic technology is 50s vintage. Even Chinis, Pakis, tiny Korea have their own versions.
This is something we should have been punching out in thousands. Instead we now pay for import of 3 different models Stinger, Igla, Mistral.

>>>common elements in the optical/IIR seeker tech, LOBL of MANPAD, MANPATGM, Helina

Generally MANPADs like stinger require only a simple photodiode cooled to operate in MWIR, while other two may require Imager optimized for SWIR\ MWIR.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby mody » 23 Jul 2021 18:52

Prem Kumar wrote:
mody wrote:Does the Akash-NG have the same propulsion as the MRSAM-Barak8 or is it different? Would make sense to have common parts with the MRSAM, at least for the parts that have been developed by DRDO. The seeker and other parts that are supplied by Israel would have to be indigenized.
Also, which tracking and fire control radars are used for the Akash-NG? I am assumiing that they are different from the CAR and Rajendra PESA combo.


Don't know about radar but the propulsion is dual-pulse solid rocket. Same pedigree as MRSAM. That's why the range is similar too.


The Akahs-NG does not seem have a VLS launcher, unlike the MRSAM. The number of fins on the missile, also seems to be different. So the basic tech maybe dual pulse motor, but it doesn't have the exact same body. Wonder why. Maybe the non-VLS design is to keep the cost down. If deployed near the frontline it would be OK. The new AESA detection and FC radar is known though.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 23 Jul 2021 19:36

We had a discussion several pages back about the pros & cons of a slewable vs VLS launcher. Both QRSAM and Akash-NG have slewable ones.

Thanks @ashishvikas for the launcher picture. I found a similar one in this nice article written by Firestarterz a couple of months back. The system on a truck model is confirmed, which is very, very cool!

I am not able to tell what the slewable launch angle limits are, from the picture.

https://firestarter.substack.com/p/akash-ng

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby AdityaM » 23 Jul 2021 20:25

Would a truck mounted radar such as in this one be impacted by dense smoke and intense heat from the launch exhaust

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby jaysimha » 24 Jul 2021 17:15

https://eurasiantimes.com/brahmos-missile-1st-export-contract-of-indian-russian-cruise-missile-to-be-signed-once-pandemic-ends-co-director/

BrahMos Missile: 1st Export Contract Of Indian-Russian Cruise Missile To Be Signed Once Pandemic Ends – Co-Director

By Sputnik July 20, 2021

The first contract for the export of BrahMos cruise missiles will be signed once the coronavirus pandemic ends, since such a deal requires an in-person government meeting, co-director of the joint Russian-Indian venture BrahMos Aerospace Alexander Maksichev told Sputnik.

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Ashokk » 24 Jul 2021 23:08

Akash-NG test on 23 Jul

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 24 Jul 2021 23:53

Check out this Twitter handle: has a nice infographic about the Akash-NG truck and its various elements

https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/1418555059340816387

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Re: Indian Missiles News & Discussions - 17 Dec 2018

Postby Prem Kumar » 24 Jul 2021 23:55

Another nice tweet from the same handle, that labels the various components of the Agni-1P MARV

https://twitter.com/GODOFPARADOXES/status/1414597531351363585


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