Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Pratyush » 15 Dec 2021 11:10

I am constantly disappointed in people thinking that buying military equipment buys leverage.

It doesn't. The only thing a purchase of foreign military equipment accomplishes is to create dependency and hobble the ability to think for ourselves.

Coupled with sending our jobs and money abroad.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Aditya_V » 15 Dec 2021 11:35

Sorry Russia does not work for our destruction unlike Turkey

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby yensoy » 15 Dec 2021 11:39

Of course I would prefer that we make everything ourselves but we are where we are, which is that we need infusions of foreign technology from time to time. These are support vessels, not frontline destroyers, frigates or submarines. I hope and trust someone in GoI has looked at the deal holistically and figured out that contracting to a Turkish company does not pose any additional security threats, and that overall this does not work against us.

US and EU have leverage over Pakistan merely by the volume of textiles and low-tech goods they buy. This is purely money talking, not so much the military angle.

Turkey is not working for our destruction. Currently Erdogan is focused on Turkey's destruction. Turkey is more than Erdogan.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby yensoy » 15 Dec 2021 11:41

Turkey is no better or worse than Malaysia. Lots of bark, little bite. We are now thinking of exporting Tejas to Malaysia. When they spoke about Kashmir out of turn, we turned off the palm oil tap and it hurt them. Likewise after this contract if the Turks talk about Kashmir, we can talk about terminating the contract.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Dec 2021 14:23

Regular import of Palm oil is not equal to buying of a couple of ships!! Plus we do have the capability to build these ships, GRSE has done so in the past. We can upgrade/update the design and use the same. What we may lack is in capacity to build currently and that can be handled by bringing in our pvt shipyards into play.
Makes no sense to go to Turkey for this.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 16 Dec 2021 22:13

Standing Committee on Defence recommends three aircraft carriers for Navy
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 308905.cms
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Yagnasri » 17 Dec 2021 11:01

Who is going to fund the carriers and the supporting ships etc? The moment CDS is no longer is around we have 3 carrier thing came back with full force.

We all including politicos like things without thinking about the cost and whether they are really needed or whether there is any alternative to the costly things.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Manish_Sharma » 17 Dec 2021 11:35

yensoy wrote:Leverage. This is what is needed. Turkey is going through some tough economic times, and they can be made to see things our way if we have a means of influencing them.



They will take our money happily dilute their Kashmir raag for few years and restart Kashmir Kashmir again unless we give them more orders.

Also we are broadcasting wrong message to the world at large:
"Hit us hard and we will IMPORT from you spending precious capex..."

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Yagnasri » 17 Dec 2021 13:52

MoD love their imports. Forget the nation and national interest.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby kit » 17 Dec 2021 15:24

Yagnasri wrote:Who is going to fund the carriers and the supporting ships etc? The moment CDS is no longer is around we have 3 carrier thing came back with full force.

We all including politicos like things without thinking about the cost and whether they are really needed or whether there is any alternative to the costly things.


Really a matter of priorities at any given time. The Aircraft carrier is a definite requirement., with a minimum of 3. A nation going to be a 5T economy can afford 3 AC groups with all their bells and whistles.
Also, the realisation that one the AC becomes a priority compared to submarines now., one can't just build it in a brief period, it takes 10 years, so the news.

Gen Rawat was commenting on the priorities of acquisition not on whether India requires a 3rd carrier or not !!

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 17 Dec 2021 21:19

https://twitter.com/lca_tejas_/status/1 ... 58210?s=20 ---> HSL is in the process of finalizing the contract for construction of five Fleet Support Ships (FSS) worth about Rs 22,000 crore by the end of FY 2021-22. @CMD_HSL. (File pic).

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/lca_tejas_/status/1 ... 58210?s=20 ---> HSL is in the process of finalizing the contract for construction of five Fleet Support Ships (FSS) worth about Rs 22,000 crore by the end of this year]


No Turkish Company please with them sitting in Vizag.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby John » 18 Dec 2021 07:26

Aditya_V wrote:
Rakesh wrote: https://twitter.com/lca_tejas_/status/1 ... 58210?s=20 ---> HSL is in the process of finalizing the contract for construction of five Fleet Support Ships (FSS) worth about Rs 22,000 crore by the end of this year]


No Turkish Company please with them sitting in Vizag.

It’s tech transfer from Anadolu Shipyard to HSL they are still part of this deal originally we had a deal with Koreans but we wanted a cheaper partner that would allow 5 ships to be built locally so that was scrapped.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby arshyam » 20 Dec 2021 08:02

Hopefully this has become like ISRO's satellite launching news, mostly yawn... I was initially surprised to see no mention of this development.

India's Second Visakhapatnam-Class Stealth Destroyer Mormugao Heads Out For Maiden Sea Trials - Swarajya

India's second Visakhapatnam-class (P-15 Bravo-class) stealth guided-missile destroyer Mormugao headed out for its maiden sea trials today (19 December), the Indian Navy has said, adding that the warship is likely to be commissioned into service in mid-2022.

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Built by the Mazagaon Dock Shipbuilders Limited, Mormugao was laid down in June 2015 and launched in September 2016.

Named after the port city of Mormugao in Goa, the warship headed out for sea trials on the occasion of the Goa Liberation Day celebrated on 19 December every year to mark the success of the military action undertaken by India against the Portuguese to liberate Goa.

The destroyer, designed indigenously by the Directorate of Naval Design, spans 163 metres in length and 17.4 metres at the beam. The warship has a displacement of around 7300 tonnes. It can reach speeds above 30 knots with its four gas turbines and has a maximum endurance of 4000 nautical miles.

"The P15B destroyers incorporate new design concepts for improved survivability, sea keeping, stealth and ship manoeuvrability. Enhanced stealth features have been achieved through shaping of hull and use of radar transparent deck fittings which make these ships difficult to detect. P 15B ships will be equipped to carry and operate two multiple role helicopters," the Indian Navy said ahead of the launch of Mormugao in 2016.

"Stealth has been a major thrust area in P15B design. Enhanced stealth features have been achieved through shaping of hull and use of radar transparent deck fittings which make these ships difficult to detect. The ship embodies features such as Multiple Fire Zones, Total Atmospheric Control System for Air Conditioning, Battle Damage Control Systems, Distributional Power Systems and Emergency DA to enhance survivability and reliability in emergent scenarios," the Navy's statement read.

Visakhapatnam-class stealth destroyers are equipped with vertically launched surface-to-air missiles to deal with airborne threats and surface-to-surface missiles for anti-ship and land-attack missions.

Under Project 15B of the Indian Navy, four guided-missile destroyers were to be built by Mazagaon Dock Shipbuilders Limited. The Defence Ministry signed a contract for the construction of these four ships in January 2011.

INS Visakhapatnam, the first of the four P15B-class destroyers, was commissioned into the Indian Navy in November this year. The other two warships of the class, named Imphal and Surat, are likely to be commissioned into service in 2024 and 2025, respectively.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby arshyam » 20 Dec 2021 08:04

Photo shared by PIB in its report:

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Aditya G » 21 Dec 2021 01:21

arshyam wrote:Hopefully this has become like ISRO's satellite launching news, mostly yawn... I was initially surprised to see no mention of this development.


On the contrary the induction of Project 15 Bravos marks end of a 5 year period where Navy has had very few inductions in capital warships.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 23 Dec 2021 00:08

https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/147 ... 30209?s=20 ---> GRSE lays the keel of the fifth anti-submarine warfare Shallow Water Craft.

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INS Khukri decommissioned

Postby Avinandan » 27 Dec 2021 15:51

INS Khukri decommissioned after 32 years of service to nation
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra-pradesh/2021/dec/25/ins-khukri-decommissioned-after-32-year-service-2399551.html

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VISAKHAPATNAM: INS Khukri, the first of the indigenously built missile corvettes, was decommissioned after 32 years of service at a solemn ceremony held at Visakhapatnam on Friday.

The national flag, naval ensign, and the decommissioning pennant were lowered at sunset in the presence of Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Eastern Naval Command Vice Admiral Biswajit Dasgupta and some of the serving and former commanding officers of the ship.

The corvette was built by the Mazagon Dock shipbuilders on August 23, 1989 and had the distinction of being part of both the Western and Eastern Fleets.

The ship was commissioned in Mumbai by the then defence minister Krishna Chandra Pant and Sudha Mulla, wife of late Captain Mahendra Nath Mulla, MVC with Commander (now Vice Admiral retired) Sanjeev Bhasin as her first Commanding Officer.

During her service in the Indian Navy, the ship was commanded by 28 commanding officers and traversed a distance of over 6,44,897 nautical miles (a measurement used to measure distance in open sea), which is equivalent to navigating around the world 30 times or three times the distance between the Earth and the Moon.

The Indian Naval Ship, Khukri was affiliated with the Gorkha Brigade of the Indian Army and Lieutenant General PN Ananthanarayan, president Gorkha Brigade, attended the decommissioning ceremony.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 30 Dec 2021 07:58

Behind a pay wall I believe....

India’s Evolving Talwar Class
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedi ... lwar-class
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby ramana » 02 Jan 2022 08:08

Pratyush wrote:I am constantly disappointed in people thinking that buying military equipment buys leverage.

It doesn't. The only thing a purchase of foreign military equipment accomplishes is to create dependency and hobble the ability to think for ourselves.

Coupled with sending our jobs and money abroad.


Bilkul satya vachan.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 05 Jan 2022 22:39

https://twitter.com/defence_in/status/1 ... 99457?s=20 ---> The DRDO developed a radar absorbent paint formula for naval usage long ago. The only Indian Navy ship with a black superstructure is the Kamorta Class with the black exhaust stack. And it has the IR suppressive properties. Courtesy : Firestarter-DFI.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 09 Jan 2022 21:54

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 89602?s=20 ---> First of three P17A FFG for the Indian Navy being built at Kolkata seems to have been floated out for fitment. The next five years should see four DDGs (P-15B) & 11 FFGs (4 Krivak & 7 P-17A) join the IN fleet.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby ramana » 09 Jan 2022 22:43

Please read to get an idea of IN in 2021:
https://www.theweek.in/theweek/current/ ... kumar.html

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby John » 09 Jan 2022 22:50

Sat images show Nilgiri is still being fitted as well. Hope it can hit Jun date but considering mormugao is in trials, I won’t be surprised if Nilgiri is delayed atleast few months.


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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 11 Jan 2022 19:12

https://twitter.com/FrontalForce/status ... 80128?s=20 ---> Advanced sea-to-sea variant of BrahMos supersonic cruise missile was tested from INS Visakhapatnam today. Missile hit the designated target ship precisely.

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India’s New P15B Destroyer Fires BrahMos Missile For The 1st Time. The Indian Navy announced the test-firing of the BrahMos missile, emphasizing a dual accomplishment: verifying the precision of the ship’s combat system and weapons complex, as well as validating a new capability provided by the missile.

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India successfully test fires sea-to-sea variant of BrahMos Cruise Missile

The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) on Tuesday successfully test-fired the BrahMos supersonic cruise. The missile was launched from the Indian Navy destroyer INS Vishakhapatnam off the Western coast.

The sea to sea variant of the missile was testfired at the maximum range and hit the target ship with pinpoint accuracy. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said the successful launch of the missile reconfirmed the robustness of the Indian Navy's "mission readiness".

"The robustness of @indiannavy mission readiness is reconfirmed today after a successful launch of the advanced version of BrahMos Missile from INS Vishakhapatnam today. I congratulate the wonderful teamwork of @indiannavy @DRDO_India & @BrahMosMissile," Singh tweeted.

The supersonic cruise missile is part of the BrahMos Aerospace, an India-Russian joint venture. It can be from submarines, ships, aircraft, or land platforms.

The BrahMos missile flies at a speed of 2.8 Mach or almost three times the speed of sound.

India, in November 2020, tested a land-attack version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from the Andaman and Nicobar Islands. The BrahMos supersonic cruise missile is the world's fastest operational system in its class. Recently the DRDO had extended the range of the missile system from the existing 298 km to around 450 km.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 14 Jan 2022 19:59

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/148 ... 28679?s=20 ---> Mahindra Defence will fabricate & supply 14 Integrated ASW Defence Suite (IADS) for the IN in collaboration with Ultra Electronics paying approximately £60 million to the UK based company. Deliveries are due to commence in 2024 and to be completed by 2030.

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/148 ... 98243?s=20 ---> The IADS will initially equip three Talwar Class frigates (INS Talwar, Trishul and Tabar) & three Delhi Class destroyers (INS Delhi, Mumbai and Mysore) allowing them to detect enemy submarines in the Arabian Sea, where the warm, shallow waters confound conventional hull-mounted sonars.

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/148 ... 98978?s=20 ---> In August 2021, the MoD awarded a contract worth Rs 1,349.95 crore to Mahindra Defence Systems for manufacturing of 14 IADS.

Ultra And Mahindra Partner To Win Major Contract With The Indian Navy
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Prem Kumar » 14 Jan 2022 23:45

What is Mahindra's role in this partnership? These imports with the mandatory references to "Make in India" is really grating. Who are they trying to fool?

I thought we (NPOL) had the best sonar tech for our environment. Have we lost that edge?

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby titash » 15 Jan 2022 03:07

Prem Kumar wrote:What is Mahindra's role in this partnership? These imports with the mandatory references to "Make in India" is really grating. Who are they trying to fool?

I thought we (NPOL) had the best sonar tech for our environment. Have we lost that edge?


I believe this either supplements or complements or replaces the Mareech, for reasons unknown. Or maybe it's just subcomponents. $60 million is not that much $

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby John » 15 Jan 2022 08:25

titash wrote:
Prem Kumar wrote:What is Mahindra's role in this partnership? These imports with the mandatory references to "Make in India" is really grating. Who are they trying to fool?

I thought we (NPOL) had the best sonar tech for our environment. Have we lost that edge?


I believe this either supplements or complements or replaces the Mareech, for reasons unknown. Or maybe it's just subcomponents. $60 million is not that much $

Mareech is topedo decoy system this is a sonar system so Mareech I believe will be integrated with this as this allows you to better detect torpedoes as well.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Karan M » 15 Jan 2022 11:25

John wrote:
titash wrote:
I believe this either supplements or complements or replaces the Mareech, for reasons unknown. Or maybe it's just subcomponents. $60 million is not that much $

Mareech is topedo decoy system this is a sonar system so Mareech I believe will be integrated with this as this allows you to better detect torpedoes as well.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... dian-navy/


IMHO they are overlapping systems which will complement each other.

At $240 Mn overall, 180 Mn$ for Mahindra, its a very cost effective deal. Cost for 16 ships.

Mareech is a torpedo defence system with integrated towed sonar, decoy capability integrated plus expendable decoys. Note soft kill throughout.

This Ultra system, appears to be an integrated towed sonar with advanced torpedo detection capability, plus torpedo defence via the expendable hard kill units launched from the deck. IADS is the detection part. NTDS is the torpedo defeat /decoy system. Its sonar is also meant for torpedo detection and countermeasures. Same as Mareech.

Its very similar to the Mareech, except its hard kill plus soft kill both relying on expendable decoys.

Mareech relies on soft kill throughout, using a mix of expendable decoys and a countermeasure system integrated with the towed array itself.

DRDO is also working on a hard kill capability.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackIAdder/ ... 4491192320

Mareech has been ordered for 11 ships. Once the above system is developed (hard kill), it will be added to the ships with Mareech.

So, yes, both systems will complement each other.

Hats off to the Navy for constantly inducting the most niche, advanced tech for their platforms while mainstreaming local tech as well and getting it to the sane level or even beyond.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 15 Jan 2022 21:59

https://twitter.com/TheLegateIN/status/ ... 61921?s=20 ---> Russia to complete upgrade and refit of two Kilo Class submarines of Indian Navy by mid-2022.

https://twitter.com/alpha_defense/statu ... 30307?s=20 ---> Naval Physical and Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi, a Research & Development Laboratory under DRDO, Ministry of Defence invites Expression of Interest (EOI) from competent Indian firms to be in the role of Lead System Integrator (LSI) for all the types of indigenously developed Passive Directional, Bathy and Active sonobuoys and related on‐board systems on various Indian Naval platforms on No Cost‐No Commitment basis.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 15 Jan 2022 22:40

John, do you have any info that you can add on this?

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 88480?s=20 ---> Upgraded Delhi Class DDG of Indian Navy with 8 inclined Brahmos in box launchers & new 76mm SRGM.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby John » 15 Jan 2022 23:24

Rakesh wrote:John, do you have any info that you can add on this?

https://twitter.com/Aryan_warlord/statu ... 88480?s=20 ---> Upgraded Delhi Class DDG of Indian Navy with 8 inclined Brahmos in box launchers & new 76mm SRGM.

Rakesh sure Vl-Shtil wasn’t fitted which lot of people were expecting I was skeptical on that since there weren’t any procurements announced on it. It looks to retain Shtil-1 might have updated launcher similar to one featured in Shivalik.

Can’t confirm if Fregat MR-760 (half plate) has been removed and replaced with latest Fregat radar. Nor can I make out what secondary search radar was fitted. Doesn’t look like Barak-1 has been fitted in (simply looks to be closed).

Earlier images did confirm Garpun has been removed for Scanter radar (license produced by Tata) similar to Vishakapatnam.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2022 23:01

Great info John. Thanks!

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https://twitter.com/SaabIndia/status/14 ... 97254?s=20 ---> INS Kavaratti & INS Kiltan are built with composite superstructures delivered by Saab. Apart from lowering top weight, the superstructure of carbon fibre composite material integrated with ship’s metallic main hull comes with improved stealth features and lower maintenance costs.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 18 Jan 2022 18:50

John, another upgrade. Nice to see the older/legacy ships getting regular upgrades.

https://twitter.com/singhshwetabh71/sta ... 94786?s=20 ---> Side view of upgraded K91 with EL/M 2238 STAR and BEL Lynx FCR.

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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Rakesh » 18 Jan 2022 21:00

Rourkela Plant steel to be used by Indian Navy for making submarines
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 932703.cms
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Re: Indian Navy News & Discussion - 12 April 2021

Postby Chinmay » 18 Jan 2022 21:22

Link to ANI tweet

In an unfortunate incident today at Naval Dockyard Mumbai, 3 naval personnel lost their lives in an explosion in an internal compartment onboard INS Ranvir. Responding immediately, the ship's crew brought the situation under control. There is no major material damage.


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