Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby IndraD » 22 Jan 2023 02:56

U.S. officials advise Ukraine to wait on offensive, official says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us ... 023-01-20/

Senior U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of U.S. weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a senior Biden administration official said on Friday.

The belief in Washington is that Ukraine has spent considerable resources defending the city of Bakhmut but that there is a high possibility that the Russians will eventually push the Ukrainians out of that town, the official said.

If that happens, it will not result in any strategic shift on the battlefield, the official said.

One consideration for the Ukrainians, the official said, is how much they continue to pour into defending Bakhmut at a time when they are preparing for an offensive to try to drive the Russians out of areas they hold in southern Ukraine.

U.S. officials are working with the Ukrainians on this tradeoff, the official said.

On another front, U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to adjust how Kyiv conducts the war away from trying to match Russia round for round with artillery fire because ultimately Moscow will gain the advantage through attrition, the official said. :shock:

This is why the latest U.S. supply of weaponry includes armored vehicles, because it will help Ukraine shift how it fights the war, the official said.

Bad winter weather has hindered fighting on the front lines, although a cold snap that freezes and hardens the ground could pave the way for either side to launch an offensive with heavy equipment, Serhiy Haidai, governor of Ukraine's Luhansk region, said.

The official said the United States does not plan at this juncture to send Abrams tanks to Ukraine because they are costly and difficult to maintain
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Postby YashG » 22 Jan 2023 03:05

IndraD wrote:U.S. officials advise Ukraine to wait on offensive, official says
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us ... 023-01-20/

Senior U.S. officials are advising Ukraine to hold off on launching a major offensive against Russian forces until the latest supply of U.S. weaponry is in place and training has been provided, a senior Biden administration official said on Friday.

The belief in Washington is that Ukraine has spent considerable resources defending the city of Bakhmut but that there is a high possibility that the Russians will eventually push the Ukrainians out of that town, the official said.

If that happens, it will not result in any strategic shift on the battlefield, the official said.

One consideration for the Ukrainians, the official said, is how much they continue to pour into defending Bakhmut at a time when they are preparing for an offensive to try to drive the Russians out of areas they hold in southern Ukraine.

U.S. officials are working with the Ukrainians on this tradeoff, the official said.



If US wanted ukraine to not go on offensivde, ukraine will listen n mode fr that wont b press release.

PR is for some disinformation

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Postby Deans » 22 Jan 2023 08:38

Cyrano wrote:There is one more twist to all this: suppose NATO forces fight Russian forces on Ukraine soil and gain an upper hand. Russia may be within its doctrine to use tactical nukes on Ukranian territory. In which case NATO forces have been attacked with nukes on non NATO territory in a scenario where none of the NATO countries are directly attacked.


Russia has officially incorporated Crimea and 4 districts of Ukraine into its territory, as endorsed by the people of the incorporated regions.
It means that as per the Russian constitution, the President and armed forces are bound to not only defend this area, but fight to end the `temporary occupation' of these areas by Ukraine. If they are in danger of losing in a conventional war to defend Russian territory, Russian nuclear doctrine calls for the use of nuclear weapons. Putin indirectly suggested that this can escalate to WW3 when he said `there's no point having a world if Russia is not part of it'.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby Deans » 22 Jan 2023 10:10

https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood

Good analysis of the current situation on the battlefield.

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Postby IndraD » 22 Jan 2023 16:44

Deans wrote:https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood

Good analysis of the current situation on the battlefield.

wonderful! thanks for sharing, Brigadier Deans!

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Postby Cyrano » 22 Jan 2023 17:18

Deans ji,
You're right. The west may not recognize the 4 regions (and Crimea) that Russia has integrated into its territory with due process, but that doesn't matter for Russia. However, come artful grey zones remain.

For ex: Will Russia consider any NATO boots in Ukraine as direct involvement in the war? They could, but currently they dont. Its an open secret that many US, UK and NATO in service people are in Ukraine at least in various combat support roles (training, intel, advisory, C&C support etc) but not in uniform and Russia seems to tolerate it. This is besides all the foreign mercenaries and "foreign legion" soldiers. So if some of them or new soldiers don uniforms now will Russia tolerate it or immediately consider all of NATO as directly involved as per Art 5 ?

Will Russia see things differently if these uniformed NATO soldiers are in what Russia considers still to be Ukrainian territory or its newly integrated 4 regions? What if they operate in those parts of these 4 regions that are still under Ukrainian control? For ex Kherson, Zaphoriziye, parts of Donetsk etc ?

Russian toleration and its somewhat reluctant approach to escalate has actually given the escalation control into NATOs hands. Some US and other officials are saying "Russia's redlines are nothing. We've overstepped them many times and nothing happened". Sometimes they attribute to Russia lacking capability and other times to Russia being unsure or lacking will. Incidents like Moskva sinking few month ago give them some credence.

Whatever be the case, this has emboldened the warmongers to push NATO to supply more weapons, longer range weapons that can hit Crimea but pointed elsewhere can hit deeper into Russia. Now they are for providing MBTs, AD systems like Patriot and longer range anti radar and other missiles. Putting these into Ukrainian hands, when they must be seething for revenge for the huge losses the've been taking and the energy infra destroyed means they cant be trusted with using them as per NATO's "only on (ex)Ukrainian territory" guidelines. Actually besides some public statements, no one knows what actual guidelines are and how they are enforced. Ukranians will, out of sheer frustration and spite, use them against Russian mainland. Various such minor attacks have happened already and Russian response was muted.

All this to say that the rules of engagement between NATO and Russia are blurry at best and either side cannot reliably predict the other's retaliatory or escalatory moves - that is pushing this conflict into very dangerous zones indeed.

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Postby Cyrano » 22 Jan 2023 18:29

Deans wrote:https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood

Good analysis of the current situation on the battlefield.

Excellent! Thanks for posting.

IndraD, this article answers your question with a lot of detail.

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Postby IndraD » 22 Jan 2023 21:58

treasure trove and full of stuff we were looking for, realistic at the same time!

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Postby ks_sachin » 22 Jan 2023 23:45

Indeed. Lot of sensible insights from an operational perspective.

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Postby Tanaji » 25 Jan 2023 02:02

So Germany will finally send tanks to Ukraine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272

That’s 14 from Germany, 14 from Poland (which are older standard) and 14 Challenger 2. Any more that anyone know of?

Me thinks this is the West version of Raaberts liquid oxygen joke…..

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Postby NRao » 25 Jan 2023 02:27

^^^^^

Yes, UK: " Around 30 AS90s, which are large, self-propelled guns, are also expected to be delivered."

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Postby Avid » 25 Jan 2023 03:16

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-may-dr ... 023-01-24/

US poised to approve M1 tanks to be transferred to Ukraine

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby gakakkad » 25 Jan 2023 04:47

^ there won't be a Ukraine by the time they get there. And how many ?

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Postby Tanaji » 25 Jan 2023 06:56

Doesnt US use DU rounds on their APFDS shots? How does Russia react when they get targeted with these if they are given to Ukraine?

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Postby Deans » 25 Jan 2023 08:57

Tanaji wrote:Doesnt US use DU rounds on their APFDS shots? How does Russia react when they get targeted with these if they are given to Ukraine?


My fear is that US is constantly escalating without regard to what Russia might do. If there is a combination of attacks deep inside Russia (both terror attacks and drone strikes have already happened), long range rockets hit Russian civilians, NATO satellites spy over Russian territory, Russian
economic assets are destroyed (Nord stream) and then DU rounds combined with the supply of large quantities of tanks and aircraft, what is to stop Russia from responding with a tactical nuke - particularly if they realise they are in a battle of attrition with NATO that they cannot win ?

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Postby NRao » 25 Jan 2023 09:36

Deans,

As an alcoholic cannot say no to a drink, so too the current decision-makers in the US cannot help themselves from "escalation". The popular phrase is "they have no reverse gear", which is "escalation" to you and me.

However, let me assure you (and others) that there are plenty of Americans that do not support "escalation" - just that they would have to sacrifice a LOT and therefore do not consider it worth their while to oppose "escalation". The US DoD does not support "escalation" with Russia - on the other hand, they are rearing (and have been for about 10 years) to go against China.

Meanwhile, I wonder why the Global South does not raise its voice. Yes, there is a cost to be paid. Pay it and de-escalate.

GS will pay no matter what the outcome is. (Who paid for WW1/2?)

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Postby Cyrano » 25 Jan 2023 13:56

GS is already paying a price in terms of increased fuel, fertiliser and food prices. Poorer countries have become highly vulnerable to loansharks, predatory enterprises and all kinds of economic arm twisting. The whole world has been paying a price in terms of unfavourable exchange rates to support the petro dollar printing machine and 30 Trillion debt.

Most Americans cant locate Ukraine or even Russia (the biggest country) on a map. How many really understand the role of their own Govt and therefore do not support this war with clear reasoning is a big "?". Even they have to confront decades of Anti-Russian propaganda from films, TV, comics and popular culture and prevail when the establishment attacks them with "if you are speaking for Russia you are an anti-American traitor" type modern day McCarthyism. Fat chance they would change the course. Just look at whats Dems and Reps are fighting over these days. No one is debating the reasons for Ukraine war and squabbling on the margins.

India is clearly positioning itself as the aggregator of GS, we have been at it consistently since a few years. At UNGA in New York, various regional summits, G20s etc plus our own foreign relations have been working diligently on this for years. If one follows Dr SJ's speeches he is quite open about it. If you are a Bangladesh or Botswana or Bolivia and have no voice, there is some logic to stand behind India.

There is a vacuum here and India neatly stepped into this space. What India will be able to achieve remains to be seen... but I believe India is quite sincere and motivated in its efforts to prevent the west from taking more measures that can hurt GS, get them to roll back some of the measures, and evolve independent mechanisms and institutions to insulate GS from the west's follies.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby IndraD » 25 Jan 2023 16:12

US has okayed Abram M1 for ukraine and Germnay arm twisted to send Leopard though US maintains M1 are too posh for beggars, consumes jet fuel, flies on land, can boom with both ends, sends shock waves around with 10G force etc

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ks-ukraine

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Postby Tanaji » 25 Jan 2023 16:42

Tanaji wrote:So Germany will finally send tanks to Ukraine

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64391272

That’s 14 from Germany, 14 from Poland (which are older standard) and 14 Challenger 2. Any more that anyone know of?

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There are 30 x M1 Abrams that will be sent. Lets say a total of about 100 tanks give or take, not including IFVs and other heavy artillery. At some point the entire Ukranian heavy weapons will be Nato supplied and it will be easier to resupply. I think that is a year away though…

Once the American war machine goes up to full gear it will be hard for Russia to keep up. I suspect there won’t be much of Ukraine left before that happens though.

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Postby Yagnasri » 25 Jan 2023 17:09

Tanaji wrote:Once the American war machine goes up to full gear it will be hard for Russia to keep up. I suspect there won’t be much of Ukraine left before that happens though.


War machine sir? It was the massive manufacturing capabilities of the old times. Does the US have it? Plus how can we assume that Russians do not have any such capabilities? US will fight this war to the last of the UKN men. That is all.

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Postby YashG » 25 Jan 2023 18:21

US foreign policy is driven by army lobby. So we will be foolish to think they will do anything that makes sense. US industry seems like needs a war to justify itself. So Ukraine is the new afghanistan for US minus the body bags.

I do think 2/3 tactical nuclear strikes will be the end game. Russia will suffer a lot but Ukraine will be done for good. I dont see a way that russia will be able to keep up with nato supplies.

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Postby Avid » 25 Jan 2023 20:15

YashG wrote:US foreign policy is driven by army lobby. So we will be foolish to think they will do anything that makes sense. US industry seems like needs a war to justify itself. So Ukraine is the new afghanistan for US minus the body bags.

I do think 2/3 tactical nuclear strikes will be the end game. Russia will suffer a lot but Ukraine will be done for good. I dont see a way that russia will be able to keep up with nato supplies.


A much simpler end game might be a large nuke test, simultaneously (and separately) a ICBM test that lands even a 1000 miles off the shores of US in the Atlantic. That news might burst the western news echo chamber and wake up the populations to the dangers of the repeated escalation.

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For that matter -- an actual ICBM test may not even be necessary. Following a thermonuclear test -- Just an intent to test near full range that puts out a NOTAM 2 weeks in advance indicating the flight cone and range would cause waves large enough to burst the echo chamber.
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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby IndraD » 25 Jan 2023 20:48

in another news US is escalating home production of artillery shells to 100,000/month for Ukraine https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/us/p ... ition.html
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Postby Tanaji » 25 Jan 2023 20:51

Yagnasariji,

Do not underestimate the production capacity of Khan MIC. It may be dormant but it exists all the same and it may take time to get going but it will dwarf anything and everything.

I am beginning to believe that the only way this gets resolved is with a tactical nuke, either in anger or as a “test”.

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Postby Avid » 25 Jan 2023 20:58

Tanaji wrote:Yagnasariji,

Do not underestimate the production capacity of Khan MIC. It may be dormant but it exists all the same and it may take time to get going but it will dwarf anything and everything.

I am beginning to believe that the only way this gets resolved is with a tactical nuke, either in anger or as a “test”.


Tanaji -- there might be a step short of actual use that pushes to resolve.

End Game -- it has always and will be dialogue/negotiation. Russia is not going to do this until it has taken the Oblasts it claims as its territory now.

To make the dialog happen, Western leaders will have to agree.

The only way that comes about is if Global South and significant number of western voters pressure the leaders. Global South is privately trying, but when enough western voters get loud -- Global South will get loud.

This is purely hypothetical scenario --
Russia is a signatory and ratified the CTBT -- US has not. That means Russia will have to withdraw from the treaty. IMHO, the escalations and intentions signals from Russia can be:
-- declare intent to withdraw from CTBT in 2 weeks
-- if nothing happens, withdraw begin prepping for test which is clearly visible by satellite and will be leaked/reported by the media.
-- test a thermonuclear device in 2 weeks and release the video
-- file NOTAM for intent to fire missile in 2 weeks
-- if nothing happens in 2 weeks, test the missile

Why? Western voters have been lead to believe that use of nuclear is irrational and is bluster and will never happen. The above steps begin to make things all too real for the same voters. From a distant improbability, it will start to become a distinct possibility (not an imminent event).

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby Arima » 25 Jan 2023 21:37

West is not going to leave Russia get away with 4 regions of Ex Ukraine. there is already talk of insurgency and 20 years of war!!

Ukrainian has inherent hate for Russian culture, language and people. it might become Russia LOC which is always hot.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 25 Jan 2023 22:04

A pretty good resource on Leopard tanks: Leopard variants

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 25 Jan 2023 23:27

Daniel L. Davis is a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army who deployed into combat zones four times. He is the author of “The Eleventh Hour in 2020 America.” Follow him @DanielLDavis1.

Part 1 or 3 articles. Posted Jan 20, 2023:

Ukraine Won’t Get Leopard 2 Or M1 Abrams Tanks: Does It Matter?

Part 2 of 3. Posted Jan 24, 2023:

Will M1 Abrams And Leopard 2 Tanks Win The War For Ukraine?

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The bigger question, however, is whether those tanks, whenever they arrive, will prove decisive on the battlefield.

There appears to be a belief in Kyiv and Western capitals that if Ukraine is given modern NATO tanks, the war on the ground will turn in Ukraine’s favor. These optimists are likely to be disappointed, for simple reasons.

The hard truth, as this analysis will show, is that grafting even modern Abrams and Leopard tanks into Zelensky’s forces presents almost as many challenges as it does opportunities.

Why Sending Tanks Is No Slam Dunk

Even if Germany eventually authorizes European countries to release many of their 2,000 Leopard 2 tanks, as now appears likely, it will take months for meaningful numbers of them to arrive in Ukraine, for troops to be trained on how to use them, and finally for those troops to be in position to deploy the tanks to the battlefield. Employing the tanks in an effective way will be more complicated still. The Ukrainian Armed Forces will not only have to train on NATO tanks but also on a wide variety of other tanks and supporting armored vehicles.

Zelensky’s troops will not have a few classes of complementary vehicle classes, but myriad different platforms. They bring with them many distinctive engines, diverse types of weapon systems, unique fire control systems, and individual logistics and maintenance requirements. Complicating the process of building combat power is the fact that Ukraine has to find a way to form coherent units out of a chaotic mix of platforms and troops. Few of those troops have any background in mechanized or mobile warfare.

There is already a high degree of variation in Ukraine’s army of Soviet tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, and howitzers. These operate alongside a hodgepodge of U.S. platforms such as Vietnam-era M113 personnel carriers, MRAP armored trucks, Humvees, M117 scout cars, and other variants. Let us also not forget the unknown number of Polish IFVs, Turkish Kirpi armored trucks, Canadian Senator armored personnel carriers, and Swedish CV90 infantry vehicles on the battlefield.

To the layman, having a wide assortment of weapons from many countries might seem to be a good thing. Incorporating them into effective fighting units might seem as simple as splitting capabilities among different units to ensure everyone gets some of the good stuff to go along with the legacy equipment. The net effect is that each unit improves. But as one who has experience fighting in large-scale tank battles, I can assure you dealing with multiple weapon systems is a major issue with significant operational implications.

Consider that in the U.S. Army, the vast majority of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles are variants of two vehicle types: the Bradley Fighting Vehicle (BFV) and the Stryker armored combat vehicle. There are many variations of each platform, tailored to perform specific missions. But the operation, functioning, and maintenance requirements for each is largely the same.

American troopers and support personnel primarily need to know how to operate those two armored vehicle classes, and how to provide their maintenance, ammunition, and supply needs. For tanks, U.S. forces again operate two primary systems: the M1 Abrams family and the Stryker Mobile Gun System. For U.S. Army soldiers, then, there are two primary IFV variants and two primary tank types. (Jeff Jager wrote an excellent description of how U.S. BFV units are formed in these pages last week).

Training Needs

In contrast, we are asking Ukraine, locked in a life-and-death struggle with an invading Russian army, to become proficient with no fewer than seven Western IFV types and at least seven classes of infantry vehicles of Soviet origin. Consider the practical ramifications and the nightmares this would build into their system.

In Washington’s latest package of war support, the U.S. has given Ukraine a total of 109 BFVs (along with 90 Stryker vehicles), and Germany has promised 40 Marder armored vehicles. These are roughly enough to outfit three infantry battalions. But let’s say that the UAF divides the vehicles so that three battalions each have at least some modern BFVs and three with Marders, to go along with the types of vehicle fleets Ukraine currently uses.

For each battalion to fight effectively, some number of their troops will have to receive separate training on how to operate the Bradley or Marder vehicles, while other soldiers will need to operate the existing Soviet-era fleets. In truth, however, it won’t just be a U.S./German and Soviet-era system that will have to be in place.

It’s much messier and more complicated than that: it is likely that in any given infantry unit there will also be a mix of Soviet-era vehicles, and other vehicles from any number of different countries.

Understandably, there are no logistics and maintenance systems for BFVs, Marders or other NATO vehicles in the Ukrainian Army. This means that even basic repairs will require evacuating the vehicle, likely to Poland (as is currently the case for repairing artillery that is damaged in Ukraine). This state of affairs negatively affects a unit’s combat potential.

I fought in the tank battle of 73 Easting during Operation Desert Storm, and I observed how our armored vehicles frequently broke down, needed basic repairs. My own vehicle suffered a blown engine. We had mobile repair shops that deployed with us, staffed by men with many years of training on our tanks, Bradleys and other armored vehicles, and stocked with significant quantities of the most commonly needed repair parts.

Often our vehicles would go down for relatively minor issues and be brought back online within hours. Even the blown engine on my armored fire support vehicle was replaced within 24 hours. Making such repairs under combat conditions is very difficult, but for the U.S. Army it is doable, because it is a built-in part of our unit organization and staffing. But for Ukraine, even a minor mechanical problem could deadline the tank or IFV, requiring it to be towed back to Poland for repairs – and there certainly won’t be spare engines available. The UAF will have real difficulty keeping these new fleets operational, even if they get fully trained.

The nature and fierceness of combat in Ukraine is substantially more difficult than anything I encountered in the Middle East or endured during training exercises in Germany. By all accounts, Ukraine suffers significant casualties. If the UAF goes on the offensive, casualties rates will spike, especially during key battles. What happens when the few crewmen who are trained on the Bradley are wounded in battle and need to be evacuated?

Who will operate the equipment then? Who will fire – without prior training – the BFV’s complex 25mm main gun, its missile launcher, or its onboard machine guns? The benefit of having modern NATO gear is that it is sophisticated and lethal – but the downside is that it also requires considerable training to operate and dedicated maintenance to keep it in the fight. Many of the systems are not intuitive and cannot simply be “picked up” by the next man in line.

The UAF are being asked to learn and train on potentially a dozen or more types of IFVs and multiple tank variants, being required to deal with the maintenance challenges, fuel requirements, different ammunition and fire control systems – while fighting daily for their lives. It is very unlikely that in mere months from now the Ukrainian army – or even a Western army for that matter – will be able to fall in on a hodge podge of equipment it has never seen and had limited training, for which it has no existing system of logistics or maintenance, and launch an effective large-scale and successful counteroffensive against an entrenched enemy.

As the next in this series will demonstrate, it would take closer to a year to produce such a force. There is risk in holding off an offensive until next fall or early 2024, but there may be greater risk for the UAF to rush their troops into an offensive for which they will have likely inadequate training or support systems in place. They must not, as we often say in the U.S. Army, “rush to fail.”


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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby fanne » 26 Jan 2023 00:06

The basic assumption is that it will be manned by UKrainians, what if they are manned by mercenaries, who have been trained on it for years?

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Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 00:13

fanne wrote:The basic assumption is that it will be manned by UKrainians, what if they are manned by mercenaries, who have been trained on it for years?


On The Duran, this morning, Alexander noted that all these arms will need to be staged in Poland. And, as I had mentioned earlier (fallout thread?) Poland has called up 400,000. IF - pure speculation on Alexander's part - we were to add these two? We now have an army of at least 400-500,000 (including a few 100,000 from the Baltic states, etc), and assuming more arms will be donated Russia could see a full-fledged, fairly well-trained army of 0.5 mil!!!

However, that covers the men. What about maintenance?

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby ramana » 26 Jan 2023 04:29

IndraD wrote:in another news US is escalating home production of artillery shells to 100,000/month for Ukraine https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/24/us/p ... ition.html


Can we have the text of the article?

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby CalvinH » 26 Jan 2023 04:30

fanne wrote:The basic assumption is that it will be manned by UKrainians, what if they are manned by mercenaries, who have been trained on it for years?


what type of mercenaries have been trained for many years to operate these equipment? T Plus mercenaries won't risk their life in such open targets.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby gakakkad » 26 Jan 2023 04:46

^ most "mercs" are ex servicemen. How long they have been "ex" for is greyzone. Pretty well reported that NATO troops resign and end up in Ukraine a week later and fight under ukraine flag. even the salaries have been speculated. (USD 90K a week , or was it a month?) . Has been covered by many people including McGregor and even reported in some main stream-ish sources .

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 07:47

"We are at war with Russia" or "Wir führen einen Krieg gegen Russland" - Annalena Baerbock - the top diplomat of Germany



Chancellor said Germany will not send air crafts or troops now or in the future. Let us see how long that lasts.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 07:50

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/statu ... vdxPUsAAAA

Lockheed Martin intends to increase the production of F-16 fighters in the light of discussions about possible deliveries of aircraft to Ukraine.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 07:52

https://twitter.com/Trollstoy88/status/ ... 5846643714

As I have said before, the general sentiment within the US DoD:

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 07:55

CalvinH wrote:
fanne wrote:The basic assumption is that it will be manned by UKrainians, what if they are manned by mercenaries, who have been trained on it for years?


what type of mercenaries have been trained for many years to operate these equipment? T Plus mercenaries won't risk their life in such open targets.


The US itself has 100,000 troops, ready to fight within 24 hours, in Europe. Admiral Kirby, DoD spokesman, said they will be rotated out, but their replacements will be ready and have been training.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 07:58

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/statu ... 9695767554

Jan 25, 2023:

"Europe does not have an independent foreign and defense policy, it follows the United States in everything" - Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani


So, now we have the TOP diplomats of two European nations, Germany and Italy, providing us with clues.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/statu ... eUuPUsAAAA

"Sweden does not exclude the supply of Stridsvagn 122 tanks to Ukraine," - newspaper Svenska Dagbladet,citing the head of the Sweden Defense Minister


https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/statu ... 6UrvUsAAAA

"The German government succumbed to media pressure when, contrary to the opinion of the majority of the population, it decided to send Leopard tanks to Ukraine. "- Mexican President Obrador.


https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/statu ... j1rPUsAAAA

"Slovakia is ready to discuss the transfer of its MiG-29 fighters to Ukraine."- Slovakian Minister of Defense

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby NRao » 26 Jan 2023 08:18

Ukraine offers Belarus non-aggression pact, Lukashenko says

The Belarusian leader believes that "Poland and Lithuania, meantime, have gone completely insane"


"I don’t know why the Ukrainians need this. On the one hand, they ask us not to fight Ukraine under any circumstances, not to move our forces there. They offer us to sign a non-aggression pact. On the other hand, they cook this explosive mix and arm them {he is referring to a coup last year - similar to the Maidan in Ukraine in 2014} [militants - TASS]," Lukashenko said during the meeting on social and political situation and crime in the republic, according to BelTA.

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Re: Russian-Ukrainian War: Combat Tactics & Strategy

Postby CalvinH » 26 Jan 2023 09:01

NRao wrote:
CalvinH wrote:
what type of mercenaries have been trained for many years to operate these equipment? T Plus mercenaries won't risk their life in such open targets.


The US itself has 100,000 troops, ready to fight within 24 hours, in Europe. Admiral Kirby, DoD spokesman, said they will be rotated out, but their replacements will be ready and have been training.


These troops are not mercenaries. They are US soldiers.


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