All crew are safe.An Indian Coast Guard helicopter, the ALH Dhruv Mark 3, crashed after making a forced landing during a test flight in Kochi on Friday. The cause of the crash is unknown at this time. The ICG is investigating the incident and the runway remains closed for further operations.
The chopper was at around 25 feet in height when it had to make a forced landing.
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*Fleet grounded for checks on control system before release for flight.
* Checks may require the inspection of all system components/assemblies after some disassembly, including control rod joints/ends bearings.
My response to that tweet
* No abnormality discovered and system restored to assembled state.
*System functional checks are done to check the functionality, including contol rigging.
* Heptr cleared for airtest. Crew unable to control hept during hovering ?
No system behaves this ?
Satya garu, IF all that was done and yet problem persists, it could be a systemic issue of the control rods. Did they check lot numbers of the control rods?
I once came across an issue where the induction furnace lining scabbed and got into the melt. It took a long time to find.
No Sir. That yardstick is only for local maal.Manish_P wrote:No calls for fully independent board inquiry ?
Yes sir I was alluding to that.Rakesh wrote:X-Post from the US military, technology, arms, tactics thread.
No Sir. That yardstick is only for local maal.Manish_P wrote:No calls for fully independent board inquiry ?
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Moved Sirjee.Manish_P wrote:Can the above post of the US heli collision also be moved to the US mil thread
is there a south India branch of the chandigarh lobby...Rakesh wrote:By the way, the above tweet is dated 26 March 2023. The same day the CG HAL Dhruv Mk3 crashed.
On the VERY same day that the HAL Dhruv Mk3 crashes, out come the knives to cancel the upcoming HAL Dhruv order for the Navy and purchase a foreign helicopter, through the strategic partnership route. The Board of Inquiry was not even set up on that day, to determine the cause of the crash...but already the voices for justifying imports are out.
* When MH-60R crashes in Indian Navy service, will the same yardstick hold? At that stage, it will be to import more of the same.
* Why did Air HQ want to (till the Russian-Ukraine conflict started) induct 12 additional Su-30MKIs to make up for the attrition losses of the Rambha in 2+ decades of service?
When imports crash, purchase more of the same.
When local maal crashes, cancel upcoming orders and do screwdrivergiri on phoren maal via SP route.
Atmanirbhar Bharat Ki Jai Ho!
Really very sad & patheticRakesh wrote:When local maal crashes, cancel upcoming orders and do screwdrivergiri on phoren maal via SP route.
SSridhar wrote:Really very sad & patheticRakesh wrote:When local maal crashes, cancel upcoming orders and do screwdrivergiri on phoren maal via SP route.
been looking myself, saar.ramana wrote:Chetak, They keep bringing up a QC issue with control rod failure in ALH. Do you know anything?
Then they claim material change was suggested.
The first ditching of a Naval ALH in >15 years of its service with the IN and within hours this is the reaction.Rakesh wrote:X-Post from the US military, technology, arms, tactics thread.
No Sir. That yardstick is only for local maal.Manish_P wrote:No calls for fully independent board inquiry ?
After the recent CG crash of HAL Dhruv (and even the Navy Dhruv crash), some ex-servicemen had knives out asking for fully independent board inquiry into the back-to-back HAL Dhruv crashes. Yet when Sea Kings, Kamovs and other phoren helicopters crashed, not a peep would come out from these same gentlemen. I have not heard anything about "fully independent board inquiry" over the repeated MiG-29K/KUB crashes either.
Hiding behind excuses of lives are at stake, professional assessment and this from a retired Admiral....
https://twitter.com/sudhirpillai__/stat ... 99904?s=20 ---> As FONA & Class Authority for Naval Aviation till about 2012 did not clear ALH LSP for VIP transport. Negative list does gross harm to current and medium term military readiness. The naval 60 @indiannavy ALH order must be CANCELED & SP route must get revived.
https://twitter.com/JamesBondMI6GB/stat ... 37351?s=20 ---> The order for 60 Naval ALH must be cancelled despite it being superior to each and every foreign helicopter in the 111 NUH competition under the SP route, so that we can get the free pass in inducting AS565 Panther which is being retired by militaries all across the world.https://twitter.com/sudhirpillai__/stat ... 99904?s=20 ---> As FONA & Class Authority for Naval Aviation till about 2012 did not clear ALH LSP for VIP transport. Negative list does gross harm to current and medium term military readiness. The naval 60 @indiannavy ALH order must be CANCELED & SP route must get revived.
my neck, saarRakesh wrote:Chetak, as always...great post. Thank You.
Some good news ---> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5990&p=2585171#p2585171
Kartik A @kartachar
Lets look into the kind of practices the @IndiannavyMedia can do when it comes to importing helicopters. This thread will give details based on the extremely old & used UH-3H Sea Kings imported with INS Jalashwa, 6 of which were bought for Rs 182.14 Cr.
The UH-3Hs were acquired for utility purpose to be used onboard the Landing Platform Dock (LPD), INS Jalashwa, also acquired from the US Navy. The helicopters were received in September 2007, embarked on INS Jalashwa’s maiden trip to India.
Audit by CAG revealed that the UH-3Hs procured were life expired & had many defects which would ultimately compromise operational effectiveness. The helis were manufactured between Jan 1961 & July 1965 & were decommissioned by the US Navy in 2005.
They joined the IN on extended life! The joint visual inspection of the helis as well as the facilities carried out by an IN team in May 2006 reported that the overall condition of the helicopters was good enough to meet the requirements of IN for the next 10 years
Citing time constraints, only 2 out of 6 UH-3H were subjected to minimum strip condition for inspection in the US. Flight eval of all 6 heli was not carried out in the US by IN before acceptance as these were in fully preserved state & had to be regenerated prior to flight eval
The actual flight eval of the UH3H heli was carried out on ANOTHER helicopter of the US Navy of similar make, type & vintage. These helicopters were bought in ‘as is where is’ condition with no guarantee of supportability & replacement of defective rotables due to obsolescence.
Also, the US Govt would not be responsible for functioning of any ‘on board’ systems or equipment. These UH-3Hs were delivered with many defects including 12 Category A defects resulting in nonavailability of the helis leading to delay in training & ops of the squadron.
And shockingly, the UH-3Hs were devoid of any type of weather/surface surveillance radar, the most important sensor of a utility helicopter during its SAR operations. But the IN was confident enough to put it's crews on the 40 year old UH-3Hs with so many defects.
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Who is @BahadurManmohan to refute it? This is on record with the CAG. He won’t know anything about it anyway since his attention has always been only on flaws in indigenous equipment.
ks_sachin wrote:Ramana all IN ships have that requirement as that number comes from the ship with the tighest tolerances. If a helo can accomodate the smallest space requirements then it aids interoperability.