Small Arms Thread

[Thakur_B]

From Kunal Biswas, DFI

At first glance, The rifle look solid, The requirement given by user to put in wood stock, It has a nice bipod and p-rail for placing a 10X optics, It got adjustable cheek raiser and rubber pad at butt-stock, Its bolt action rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm, It comes with its own muzzle breaker and suppressor, The design is finished and in user trails but, The design may change and specs in time to come based on user feedback.

The rifle chambered for 7.62x51mm NATO rounds, It feature a 8cm long P-rail for placing its optical scope of 10x magnification for sniping role, Due to p-rail other optics can as well fit on to it, The rifle requirement set out in late 2015 by Army and paramilitary.

The rifle feature a adjustable cheek raiser and a rubber pad at its butt-stock so does sling attachment, The stock is made out of wood at request of users, The requirement is for a heavy rifle which can absorb recoil unlike those light designs made of fiber in new generation sniper rifles. The rifle yet to see many improvement over this original design in time.

It's a good looking design from OFB. The finish looks remarkably good.

[Aditya_V]

Bolt action rifle, so a modernized 303?

[rkhanna]

^^ My problem is with the wooden Frame of the Rifle. Most Gunsmiths the world over have moved away from Wood for Sniper rifles.

Wood changes due to heat/cold/humidity/rain and screws up the zero of the rifle and its shooting ability over a period of time. Dont really know why the "user" asked or a wooden frame in this day and age.

[tsarkar]

Not sure if posted or discussed here. Munger is manufacturing quality AK-47, 9 mm carbines and Beretta pistols.

Lot of ex-Army and OF employees, so AK-47 and carbines are no surprises. What is surprising is the Beretta copies, since its uncommon in India where we use Browning pistols.

More than the weapons, the supply of ammunition is disturbing. I've always wondered how Naxals get their ammunition, especially for robbed SLRs and INSAS.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ille ... 07838.html

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ak-4 ... 65752.html

http://www.news18.com/news/india/made-i ... 93172.html

[Thakur_B]

Bolt action rifle, so a modernized 303?

Doesn't seem related to SMLE family.

^^ My problem is with the wooden Frame of the Rifle. Most Gunsmiths the world over have moved away from Wood for Sniper rifles.

Wood changes due to heat/cold/humidity/rain and screws up the zero of the rifle and its shooting ability over a period of time. Dont really know why the "user" asked or a wooden frame in this day and age.

Free floating barrel and good bedding should not create that much problems with wood stock.

[shiv]

Bolt action rifle, so a modernized 303?

I thought sniper rifles are always bolt action because there is no need for the extra complexity (and noise) of a chamber being loaded after the previous shot. I also suspect (without proof) that reciprocal action of automatic bolt slamming back would set up barrel vibrations that cannot be good for accuracy - at least at longer distances. Even lousy rifles can be accurate at short range simply because a high muzzle velocity causes a straight path.

Some more speculation now. My shooting is 99% air rifle. I have both synthetic stock and wooden stock. The synthetic stock which is hollow acts like an echo chamber and causes a loud "Tthokk" - less so in the wooden stock rifles. I just wonder if the decibel level of a synthetic stock may be higher? Could not find info on Googal.

[Paul]

Americans like their sniper rifles to be bolt action and tend to sneer at their Roosi counterparts who have auto rifles like SVD Dragunov forgetting Russia has produced the sniper since WWII.

[rkhanna]

"Americans like their sniper rifles to be bolt action and tend to sneer at their Roosi counterparts who have auto rifles like SVD Dragunov forgetting Russia has produced the sniper since WWII."

Well its a trade off over Accuracy and Range and Second Shot Capability I believe.

Secondly The Soviet doctrine called for Squad Level designated marksmen. For a conscript army it needed to be cheap and mass produced. A DM was essentially the best shot in the squad/platoon achieving 90% hits at 200m.

This is something (DM and Sniper) that the American doctrine makes a distinct difference between a DM and a Sniper in terms of training and usage. The SVD falls in the DMR category.

BTW Russian Spetz Sniper teams use SV-98 Bolt action sniper rile. SVD is relegated to DMR roles.

Anyways, I remember reading somewhere that the The SVD has tighter barrel twists to fire Armour piercing incendiary rounds which in-turn greatly decreases accuracy of the weapon.

[rkhanna]

"Free floating barrel and good bedding should not create that much problems with wood stock.
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Well Dont really know what you mean. (over my head lol) but the issue regarding wooden furniture was explained to me by somebody I know personally who was (at the time) a USMC Marksmanship coach.

[Manish_P]

And Americans do have their own semi-automatics DMRs - Knights SR-25 (with slight differences and different designations for the Army and Marines), the FN SCAR - SSR (Sniper Support Rifle) and a few more (like the Anti material Barrett M82 A1)

"Americans like their sniper rifles to be bolt action and tend to sneer at their Roosi counterparts who have auto rifles like SVD Dragunov forgetting Russia has produced the sniper since WWII."

Well its a trade off over Accuracy and Range and Second Shot Capability I believe.

Secondly The Soviet doctrine called for Squad Level designated marksmen. For a conscript army it needed to be cheap and mass produced. A DM was essentially the best shot in the squad/platoon achieving 90% hits at 200m.

This is something (DM and Sniper) that the American doctrine makes a distinct difference between a DM and a Sniper in terms of training and usage. The SVD falls in the DMR category.

BTW Russian Spetz Sniper teams use SV-98 Bolt action sniper rile. SVD is relegated to DMR roles.

Anyways, I remember reading somewhere that the The SVD has tighter barrel twists to fire Armour piercing incendiary rounds which in-turn greatly decreases accuracy of the weapon.

[shiv]

Anyways, I remember reading somewhere that the The SVD has tighter barrel twists to fire Armour piercing incendiary rounds which in-turn greatly decreases accuracy of the weapon.

This is an odd statement. I cannot think why tighter barrel twists should decrease accuracy. At most it might decrease range and even that is unlikely IMO

[ArmenT]

From Kunal Biswas, DFI

At first glance, The rifle look solid, The requirement given by user to put in wood stock, It has a nice bipod and p-rail for placing a 10X optics, It got adjustable cheek raiser and rubber pad at butt-stock, Its bolt action rifle chambered in 7.62x51mm, It comes with its own muzzle breaker and suppressor,

Allow me to play the devil's advocate here. Couple of things stand out in the report. First, I can't believe the end-user of a military sniper rifle asked for a wood stock! Wood stocks are subject to warping, cracking (especially in extreme cold and heat) and are temperature-sensitive. Sure you can glass bed a stock, but when the stock starts to warp, glass bedding won't save it. Free floating the barrel may also have the same issues unless you have very wide gaps between the barrel and the stock. Also wondering why they want wood furniture for something which is likely to be camouflaged. Not to mention the hassle of oiling the wood stock in the field periodically (and no, gun oil doesn't work on wood stocks, you want a different oil for that (linseed perhaps?)).

The rubber pad appears glued on to the end of the buttstock (and not very well either). You'd think that it would be adjustable to accommodate users of different dimensions. Also, I wonder how well it would hold up in snowy weather/desert conditions without cracking.

And I'm not too sold about that so-called "pistol grip" behind the trigger either. It seems to just get in the way without being useful as a grip. What's with the attempt at applying decorative cross-hatching in a military rifle?? There's no purpose for it at all. The cross-hatching looks like it was done freehand by a bored schoolboy using a compass from a Camlin geometry box. Also, the stock looks somewhat overly heavy in some parts and less in others (e.g.) look at the trigger guard. This must be the first rifle I've seen where the trigger guard is actually part of the stock itself. They could reduce weight quite a bit by getting rid of that excess stock material.

I wonder if the end-user actually asked for this stuff or is that what the OFB guys claim as their excuse ("not our fault, end user asked for this as a feature onlee")

Bolt action rifle, so a modernized 303?

As far as bolt-actions are concerned, there are 3 major types around:
1. Enfield action (cocks on bolt closing)
2. Mauser action (cocks on bolt opening)
3. Mosin Nagant action
Needless to say, all three designs are from the late 19th/early 20th century, but there's very little that can be improved upon them. I'm guessing the rifle has the Enfield action, simply because OFB has previous experience manufacturing this type (the Ishapore 2A1 for instance, which was also 7.62x51 mm. incidentally).

[Gyan]

Western writers don't even considered SVD as a sniper rifle but only a DMR but our Soviet/
RUssian friends have found it to be adequate for almost 4 decades .

[ArmenT]

Western writers don't even considered SVD as a sniper rifle but only a DMR but our Soviet/
RUssian friends have found it to be adequate for almost 4 decades .

Russians don't consider it a sniper rifle either, they have always treated it as a designated marksman rifle and it was introduced for their platoons initially as a squad support weapon (the initial Russian name for it didn't even mention the name "Sniper").

[Aditya_V]

A couple of questions regarding this weapon

1. What is the max range you can take out/ Kill an enemy with a 7.62*51mm sniper rifle. For sniper rifles why not go with non standard catridges wihich can take out enemy at 2KM etc.

2. Is there no record long range sniper kills along the LOC. Why dont we have sniper teams taking out the Pakis along the LOC?

[alexis]

What is the genesis and status of the weapon in this link?
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/10.htm

[shiv]

A couple of questions regarding this weapon

1. What is the max range you can take out/ Kill an enemy with a 7.62*51mm sniper rifle. For sniper rifles why not go with non standard catridges wihich can take out enemy at 2KM etc.

2. Is there no record long range sniper kills along the LOC. Why dont we have sniper teams taking out the Pakis along the LOC?

I can only speculate. 2 km kills mean 2 km clear line of sight. Hilly/mountainous/forested terrain will not allow this. I think any sniper rifle should be able to to 1 -1.2 km It is not the killing power of the bullet but the accuracy that would be significant.

I don't think India advertises sniper kills which I think must be occurring. That said if you read an article by Gen Ata Hasnain that appeared today - he repeats gyan that has been repeated time and again. Because India has to prevent infiltration the Indian side of the LoC is heavy with troops who can be targeted by snipers and BATs. Because India dos not send infiltrators into Pakistan the Pakistani defences are much more sparse and hidden

Here is the article
http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/commen ... 27382.html

[ArmenT]

A couple of questions regarding this weapon

1. What is the max range you can take out/ Kill an enemy with a 7.62*51mm sniper rifle. For sniper rifles why not go with non standard catridges wihich can take out enemy at 2KM etc.

2. Is there no record long range sniper kills along the LOC. Why dont we have sniper teams taking out the Pakis along the LOC?

For the purposes of testing, the US military defines lethality as the ability for a bullet to penetrate a board of 0.5 inches thickness pine wood (about 59 lb-ft of momentum). Of course this is an old standard and probably not current for scientific types, but is perfect for backyard testing. Now, by this definition a lot of cartridges can be considered lethal at very long range. E.g. even the .22LR can penetrate the above mentioned pinewood board at 500 meter ranges. The thing though is that people are not capable of reliably hitting a standard target with .22LR at this range, even with scope, bench-rest etc., because the bullet flight become erratic at this distance, as the bullet velocity enters the transonic region. Therefore, the military also defines something called an "effective lethal range" (i.e.) a distance where the bullet can still penetrate with "lethality" but the standard target can also be reliably hit. When the US military tested the 7.62x51 mm. cartridge a long time ago, the US Army calculated 800 meters as a "max. effective lethal range", while the US Marines considered 1000 meters as the "max. effective lethal range" for the same cartridge. Of course, people have made kills at longer ranges than this with the 7.62x51 mm. cartridge (e.g. 1200 - 1300 meters and more), but it is generally agreed that 800 meters is about max. range for reliable hits under all weather conditions for this cartridge. Beyond this range, the bullet starts to behave erratically and the probability to hit is much lower, even though it still carries enough momentum to be lethal well beyond this. Newer bullet designs have extended this lethal effective range a bit, but I'm quoting the official US military numbers measured from a while ago.

[shiv]

Fellow SDREs.

Can someone please help me understand or walk me through process to get a license in India for design and manufacturing of small arms. Are there any pre-requisites apart from the obvious of Investment. Are there any consultants available to create a Business plan. I will appreciate if we do not discuss about economics. It should be more on the likes on R&D rather than actual manufacturing. I will be very happy if anyone of you can share your ideas and thoughts about such a venture.

Mods: Please move this to the appropriate thread if this is not the correct thread.

I would start with this document. I have myself not read it in full but it details what is legal and what is illegal when it comes to the manufacture, sale and distribution of arms in India

New Arms Act

[Thakur_B]

What is the genesis and status of the weapon in this link?
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/10.htm

I believe this was the insas version sold to Nepal.

[Viv S]

http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wsc/10.htm

Furniture items are made of impact resistant Plastics and vapocured in leaf brown/ black colour. Its attractive looks inspire confidence.

:sigh:

OFB. Even its brochures are...

[ArmenT]

I would start with this document. I have myself not read it in full but it details what is legal and what is illegal when it comes to the manufacture, sale and distribution of arms in India

New Arms Act

Thanks

IIRC there are certain rules, such as cannot manufacture same caliber weapons as those used by police and military. Therefore, making weapons in 9x19 mm., 5.56x45 mm., 7.62x51 mm. etc are out. I think partial manufacturing is a whole different ball game though, because I know of a certain firm headquartered in Bengaluru, Kerala, that produces sub-assemblies (frames, triggers etc.) for some world-class firearms manufacturers (American, Austrian, Israeli etc.) which fit products of the above calibers.

[ArmenT]

Heckler & Koch to stop doing deals with non-NATO countries

German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence because it has become too difficult to obtain government approval for such deals, news agency DPA reported on Monday.

The company, one of the world's best-known gunmakers, will in future only sell to countries that are democratic and free from corruption and that are members of NATO or NATO members' partners, DPA said, citing company sources.

It said this change in strategy would rule out deals with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Brazil, India or even NATO member Turkey.
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However, German restrictions on arms exports to the Middle East have weighed on its business, contributing to a 90 percent collapse in operating earnings last year.

The company sued the German government last year for failing to approve a deal to supply Saudi Arabia with parts needed to make its G36 assault rifle.
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Looks like a German government issue rather than H&K that is forcing them to do this. Wonder what will happen to the Pakistani license to make the H&K G-36 rifles now.

[Manish_P]

'will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence'

The pakis are under NATO influence aren't they ?

Or they are only a major non-NATO ally and outside the influence ?

[Thakur_B]

Thanks

IIRC there are certain rules, such as cannot manufacture same caliber weapons as those used by police and military. Therefore, making weapons in 9x19 mm., 5.56x45 mm., 7.62x51 mm. etc are out. I think partial manufacturing is a whole different ball game though, because I know of a certain firm headquartered in Bengaluru, Kerala, that produces sub-assemblies (frames, triggers etc.) for some world-class firearms manufacturers (American, Austrian, Israeli etc.) which fit products of the above calibers.

Add to that .223 Remington, .303, .308 Winchester, .38, .45 and rounds for all pistols ever used by indian police, military ranging from magnums to Webley.

However .30-06 is civilian legal.

[Bart S]

Heckler & Koch to stop doing deals with non-NATO countries

German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence because it has become too difficult to obtain government approval for such deals, news agency DPA reported on Monday.

The company, one of the world's best-known gunmakers, will in future only sell to countries that are democratic and free from corruption and that are members of NATO or NATO members' partners, DPA said, citing company sources.

It said this change in strategy would rule out deals with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Brazil, India or even NATO member Turkey.
...
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However, German restrictions on arms exports to the Middle East have weighed on its business, contributing to a 90 percent collapse in operating earnings last year.

The company sued the German government last year for failing to approve a deal to supply Saudi Arabia with parts needed to make its G36 assault rifle.
...

Looks like a German government issue rather than H&K that is forcing them to do this. Wonder what will happen to the Pakistani license to make the H&K G-36 rifles now.

Good, hope our private companies at least start making copies of some of their designs.

[Thakur_B]

Heckler & Koch to stop doing deals with non-NATO countries

German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence because it has become too difficult to obtain government approval for such deals, news agency DPA reported on Monday.

The company, one of the world's best-known gunmakers, will in future only sell to countries that are democratic and free from corruption and that are members of NATO or NATO members' partners, DPA said, citing company sources.

It said this change in strategy would rule out deals with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Brazil, India or even NATO member Turkey.
...
...
However, German restrictions on arms exports to the Middle East have weighed on its business, contributing to a 90 percent collapse in operating earnings last year.

The company sued the German government last year for failing to approve a deal to supply Saudi Arabia with parts needed to make its G36 assault rifle.
...

Looks like a German government issue rather than H&K that is forcing them to do this. Wonder what will happen to the Pakistani license to make the H&K G-36 rifles now.

Pakistan never acquired G36 license. The G3 shouldn't be under protection of any kind of patent/ipr laws anymore as it is a fairly old design now.

[ArmenT]

Pakistan never acquired G36 license. The G3 shouldn't be under protection of any kind of patent/ipr laws anymore as it is a fairly old design now.

True, I accidentally said G36 when I meant G3. I believe G3 is produced by POF under license from H&K. Note that the Germans are not only stopping dealing with non-NATO countries, they are also stopping dealings with a NATO country (Turkey) for philosophical reasons. That's why I'm wondering if they're going to stop dealing with another Ummah brother country as well (e.g. stop exporting or maintaining machinery, technical support etc.)

[Nick_S]

Army hunts for new sniper rifle to replace Russian Dragunov
By Manu Pubby,

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 863126.cms

Proposals have been invited from global manufacturers to present modern sniper rifles that can take down targets at a range of 1200 metres with highly accurate 8.6 mm bullets – a new standard which has much more stopping power than the 7.62 mm rounds being used at present.

In a request for information, the Army has spelt out its need for over 5,000 new sniper rifles — to be assigned to infantry units that are primarily stationed along the border — and the specifications mean that these would have 50% more range than the currently used Russian Dragunov rifles.

[vaibhav.n]

Sako should have this pretty much in the bag.

Their 338 lapua TRG has been in testing since ages with IA.

MARCOS also got themselves the 7.62 Sako recently.

[Bart S]

The 338 lapua is an awesome round and Sako makes good rifles, but how is that a replacement for a Dragunov? The latter is more of a DMR whereas the former is a high-power long range precision sniping system (with all the mobility limitation that it entails). They are two separate things and it would be good to have more of both.

[Viv S]

Sako should have this pretty much in the bag.

Their 338 lapua TRG has been in testing since ages with IA.

MARCOS also got themselves the 7.62 Sako recently.

AWSM? Not very likely? Sure it retails for a higher price but on a bulk order of this size AW should have a greater incentive to cut costs.

[Aditya_V]

Why not more Vidvanshak, surely order more and you can make lighter rifles. Well Indian private Industry not allowed to make Firearms but allow us to buy firearms from foreign private players- wah.

[Bheeshma]

Vidhwanshak is already in service but it is really big and heavy at 1.7 m and 25 kg. Its an AMR with range of 1.8 km and needs 2 persons to man it.

[vaibhav.n]

AWSM? Not very likely? Sure it retails for a higher price but on a bulk order of this size AW should have a greater incentive to cut costs.

Accuracy International sure has some pricey kit. Sako is not far behind. Their M10 rifle plus setup retails at around 12k $. Both have guarantees for a 1 MoA rifle out of the box. Both are better suited for SF duties.

Honestly there would be the usual gang from the SOCOM PSR contract including Barrett which imo would be a more affordable choice. The IA officers would have seen Model 98B's with NSG service probably gotten some trigger time too.

[ArmenT]

AWSM? Not very likely? Sure it retails for a higher price but on a bulk order of this size AW should have a greater incentive to cut costs.

Accuracy International sure has some pricey kit. Sako is not far behind. Their M10 rifle plus setup retails at around 12k $. Both have guarantees for a 1 MoA rifle out of the box. Both are better suited for SF duties.

Honestly there would be the usual gang from the SOCOM PSR contract including Barrett which imo would be a more affordable choice. The IA officers would have seen Model 98B's with NSG service probably gotten some trigger time too.

Actually Sako guarantees every rifle they make shoots 1 MOA or less at 100 yards, even their standard hunting rifles available for < $750. Same with their brand mates , Tikka. Quite a few other manufacturers (Savage, Weatherby, Remington etc.) shoot like this for some of their hunting rifles as well, many retailing for under $1000. When it comes to sniper rifles, Accuracy International and Sako's sniper rifle models are guaranteed to be more like 0.5 MOA out of the box. Improvements in metallurgy and machining techniques have made it possible to get sub-MOA accuracy at relatively cheaper prices.

[Gagan]

Had DRDO been a private company, they would have quickly capitalized on the Vidhwansak, Excalibur, hell even the INSAS to come up with uber refined, cool looking with use of chi chi mettalurgy equipment.

But one can imagine what probably goes on. Every request for a screw, nut or bold must be forwarded to 3 ministries by standard government main in triplicate onlee :sigh:

Why not use titanium or some such metal hain?
They don't even use that for the LCA !

[rohitvats]

^^^The above argument is wearing thin. It seems to be trotted out selectively. Basis what orders/demand were various iterations or types of rifles developed by DRDO?

[vaibhav.n]

Indian Special Forces gear up, Army to move a proposal seeking better weapons

Next time when Indian Special Forces would enter Pakistan or any other country for a surgical strike, Government is working towards making sure that they have the required weapons and equipment to carry out their mission more effectively and smoothly. In this direction, the Army is moving a classified proposal worth around Rs 300 crore to buy new assault rifles, sniper rifles, general purpose machine guns and light weight rocket launchers and night vision devices at a key Defence Ministry meeting planned next week, senior Army sources told Mail Today here.

WHAT IS THE PROPOSAL
As part of the effort to equip and arm the nine Para (Special Forces) battalions, the government is also likely to adopt the Foreign Military Sales route to import more M4A1 automatic rifles from the US. The proposal for equipping the Special Forces and doing away with the shortages faced by the units, the proposal has been prepared by the Additional Director General (Special Forces) in the Military Operations directorate which deals with the units closely at the times of operations. "The old units like the 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, 10 and 21 Para (SF) have adequate rifles and equipment for performing their tasks but the new units such as the 11 and 12 Para (SF) are facing shortages of assault rifles and other equipment. The older units had to dig deep into their reserve equipment to help the new ones," the sources informed.

As per the sources, the Army has plans of buying around 10,000 free-fall parachutes, 1100 personal automatic rifles, 30 sniper rifles, and automatic General Purpose Machine Guns, 24 lightweight rocket launchers, 20 shotguns and 500 pistols each.

"The GPMGs are a must and its requirement was deeply felt in both the surgical strikes in Myanmar and Pakistan-occupied Kashmir for effect. Special Forces are using the Russian Pika Machine Guns which have mostly been captured from terrorists who got them from Afghanistan as the leftovers of the Russian forces there in the 1980s," the sources informed. The Special Forces are also keen on getting new assault rifles as the Israeli Tavors are good but the firepower of the 5.56mm bullets is not that effective and in Indian conditions with the hardcore terrorists operating here, bullets which can cause fatal hits are required. In the presentations to the Government, the Special Forces have even cited examples where the terrorist could manage to escape after being hit by the 5.56mm bullets of security forces.

The rocket launchers sought by the Special Forces are light weight and will be easier to carry inside enemy territory, in case of future strikes against terrorist launchpads. The troops are at present using the Carl Gustaf rocket launchers which were procured long time back by the Army. Automatic grenade launchers are also required by the Special Forces for taking down a group of terrorists or their hideouts during operations by the forces. The Special Forces presently have an outdated version of this equipment which is quite heavy. The Defence Ministry has asked the Army to process the procurement of the equipment for the forces under the fast-track procedure which is provided for in the defence procurement procedure. Under this procedure, the services can bypass several procedures and have to work with the integrated financial advisors for processing their procurement cases after approval from the Defence Ministry at the apex level.

After the September 28 surgical strikes, the defence Ministry has given a go ahead to the three services with a purse of Rs 2,000 crore to buy the equipment and weapon systems which are short in their inventory. The SF operatives belonging to the 4 and 9 Para (SF) deployed in the valley carried out surgical strikes across the Line of Control (LoC).

[rkhanna]

^^ Dont get the article above. 556 (tavor) is inadequate but we are looking for M-4 via FMS?

Also now we will have only 3 vanilla para battalions left?