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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 23 Aug 2018 11:31

ramana wrote:
Is it due to pipeline corrosion in saline soil?


At a loss to think what else it could be. Assuming that the pipeline is off a buried type.

ramana wrote:They could look at alternate materials for the pipeline as it carries water only.
Cement or PVC.


+1. Over a long term the costs factor will also be in favor of the pipeline.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby vipins » 24 Aug 2018 02:22

Manish_P wrote:
ramana wrote:
Is it due to pipeline corrosion in saline soil?


At a loss to think what else it could be. Assuming that the pipeline is off a buried type.

ramana wrote:They could look at alternate materials for the pipeline as it carries water only.
Cement or PVC.


+1. Over a long term the costs factor will also be in favor of the pipeline.

Not sure about the article as there is already a pipeline on little elevated small pillars all along the road leading to vighakote post.
Although water supply is not started as of now and tankers are used.
They are also used to provide water to wild animals on the way to post.Camera/mobile is not allowed after India bridge,its a 80KM run upto the post and can be visited by taking permission from BSF kutch HQ.True salt desert is at this place after India bridge,taking right turn from chidiya more towards hanuman temple.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Vips » 05 Sep 2018 03:51

Central paramilitary forces, special police units get 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles defence.

A stockpile of over 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles have been recently provided to central paramilitary forces and select state police units, a senior official said Tuesday.

The official, who is part of the security establishment under the Union home ministry, said the weapons have been procured from Bulgaria after a global tender was completed successfully sometime back.

“These AK-47 rifles are now being sent to multiple Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) and state police units who were part of the joint tender. A good bulk of these weapons will go to the CRPF and BSF who have to deal with internal security challenges, guard the border and tackle Left-wing extremism and militants and terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir,” the official, who requested anonymity, said.

This series of assault rifles are increasingly being preferred by the security forces due to their utility in all-weather conditions, good rate of fire and ease of adaptability in multifarious combat zones, the official said.

These rifles are considered superior to the indigenously made INSAS rifles (Indian Small Arms System) as their fire is accurate, spews quick round of bullets and is better to operate in jungle warfare conditions where moisture and heat affect the performance of a rifle, he said.

Keeping this in mind, the central paramilitary forces and the state police forces had expressed desire to purchase the AK (Avtomat Kalashnikova) series rifles for their jungle warfare and special task units and the Union home ministry had then clubbed their requirements and floated a global tender, he said. The tender was open for bidding about a year back and the delivery of the assault weapons, which have some enhancement in their basic features, has now begun, he said.

When contacted, a senior CRPF officer told PTI that the weapons will be provided to their combat units in Jammu and Kashmir and anti-Naxal operation areas in a month’s time. The Union government had last year authorised the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the country’s largest CAPF with over 3-lakh personnel, to replace almost all of its INSAS weapons with AK assault rifles in the ten Maoist violence-hit states where it is deployed to undertake offensive operations.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 19 Sep 2018 04:40

Another BSF soldier killed by porki sniper, RIP Braveheart. Twitter is flooded with comments of mutilation.

What BSF and army needs is counter sniper and sniper ops on steroids. Need to analyze on what can be done to increase our sniper fire effectively at the same time countering enemy snipers

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby vimal » 19 Sep 2018 04:52

Vips wrote:Central paramilitary forces, special police units get 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles defence.

A stockpile of over 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles have been recently provided to central paramilitary forces and select state police units, a senior official said Tuesday.

This series of assault rifles are increasingly being preferred by the security forces due to their utility in all-weather conditions, good rate of fire and ease of adaptability in multifarious combat zones, the official said.

These rifles are considered superior to the indigenously made INSAS rifles (Indian Small Arms System) as their fire is accurate, spews quick round of bullets and is better to operate in jungle warfare conditions where moisture and heat affect the performance of a rifle, he said.

Keeping this in mind, the central paramilitary forces and the state police forces had expressed desire to purchase the AK (Avtomat Kalashnikova) series rifles for their jungle warfare and special task units and the Union home ministry had then clubbed their requirements and floated a global tender, he said. The tender was open for bidding about a year back and the delivery of the assault weapons, which have some enhancement in their basic features, has now begun, he said.

When contacted, a senior CRPF officer told PTI that the weapons will be provided to their combat units in Jammu and Kashmir and anti-Naxal operation areas in a month’s time. The Union government had last year authorised the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the country’s largest CAPF with over 3-lakh personnel, to replace almost all of its INSAS weapons with AK assault rifles in the ten Maoist violence-hit states where it is deployed to undertake offensive operations.


Isn't IA also working in the same environment as CRPF? So does that mean INSAS does not work in jungle warfare, heat, moisture or dust?
Then INSAS should've been phased out 10 years ago? :roll:
Import at all cost.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 09:27

krishna_krishna wrote:Another BSF soldier killed by porki sniper, RIP Braveheart. Twitter is flooded with comments of mutilation.

What BSF and army needs is counter sniper and sniper ops on steroids. Need to analyze on what can be done to increase our sniper fire effectively at the same time countering enemy snipers

Pray tell what would you suggest. You almost sound like the local formation commanders at all levels twiddle their thumbs!

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Sep 2018 10:13

We need to increase the amount of pain to them and somehow find means to target artillery and thier motors, basically improve accross the board with MP ATGM, tanks, ATGM, long Night Vision detection equipment, good counter battery radars, increased motors 105 mm, 155 mm artillery, UAV, Helicopters, satellite survelliance, lots of 12.7mm machine guns, anti material rifles, sniper rifles.

They should learn like Operation Parakram, that should sue for peace. RIght now they are not deterred enough. Sniper VS sniper is a stupid way to tie our hands, we must be able to inflict causualties, quickly locate the approxumate direction in which the sniper fires from, bombard the area with artillery motor to flush out the sniper and take him out even with an ATGM if required.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 19 Sep 2018 18:47

ks_sachin wrote: You almost sound like the local formation commanders at all levels twiddle their thumbs!



I am not the local formation commander so lets leave it that that. Just to give you a sample of what I am suggesting let me tell you a small story :

There was a terroristan officer giving tour to Swedish officer (not sure it was as part of UNMOGIP or not). He was standing next to Swedish officer and viewing through binoculars, he was shot in a way that the brains were out and all over the other officer. From that point onwards check how many observers came from that country. This is a true story.

Few more samples :

https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/jam ... 70004.html

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/india-hit ... ad-on-loc/

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 19:52

Which only shows that we dont sit with our hands in our pants!
They guys on the ground retaliate.
Guarding against sniper fire is not easy.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 19:55

Aditya_V wrote:We need to increase the amount of pain to them and somehow find means to target artillery and thier motors, basically improve accross the board with MP ATGM, tanks, ATGM, long Night Vision detection equipment, good counter battery radars, increased motors 105 mm, 155 mm artillery, UAV, Helicopters, satellite survelliance, lots of 12.7mm machine guns, anti material rifles, sniper rifles.

They should learn like Operation Parakram, that should sue for peace. RIght now they are not deterred enough. Sniper VS sniper is a stupid way to tie our hands, we must be able to inflict causualties, quickly locate the approxumate direction in which the sniper fires from, bombard the area with artillery motor to flush out the sniper and take him out even with an ATGM if required.

A first part does not answer the question regardi g sniping.
The second part pray tell how that would work practically.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Oct 2018 16:31

This is sickening, shooting a man talking to his family.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/ssb-jawan-killed-sniper-fire-militants-pulwama/


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