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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 23 Aug 2018 11:31

ramana wrote:
Is it due to pipeline corrosion in saline soil?


At a loss to think what else it could be. Assuming that the pipeline is off a buried type.

ramana wrote:They could look at alternate materials for the pipeline as it carries water only.
Cement or PVC.


+1. Over a long term the costs factor will also be in favor of the pipeline.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby vipins » 24 Aug 2018 02:22

Manish_P wrote:
ramana wrote:
Is it due to pipeline corrosion in saline soil?


At a loss to think what else it could be. Assuming that the pipeline is off a buried type.

ramana wrote:They could look at alternate materials for the pipeline as it carries water only.
Cement or PVC.


+1. Over a long term the costs factor will also be in favor of the pipeline.

Not sure about the article as there is already a pipeline on little elevated small pillars all along the road leading to vighakote post.
Although water supply is not started as of now and tankers are used.
They are also used to provide water to wild animals on the way to post.Camera/mobile is not allowed after India bridge,its a 80KM run upto the post and can be visited by taking permission from BSF kutch HQ.True salt desert is at this place after India bridge,taking right turn from chidiya more towards hanuman temple.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Vips » 05 Sep 2018 03:51

Central paramilitary forces, special police units get 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles defence.

A stockpile of over 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles have been recently provided to central paramilitary forces and select state police units, a senior official said Tuesday.

The official, who is part of the security establishment under the Union home ministry, said the weapons have been procured from Bulgaria after a global tender was completed successfully sometime back.

“These AK-47 rifles are now being sent to multiple Central Armed Police Forces (CAPFs) and state police units who were part of the joint tender. A good bulk of these weapons will go to the CRPF and BSF who have to deal with internal security challenges, guard the border and tackle Left-wing extremism and militants and terrorists in Jammu and Kashmir,” the official, who requested anonymity, said.

This series of assault rifles are increasingly being preferred by the security forces due to their utility in all-weather conditions, good rate of fire and ease of adaptability in multifarious combat zones, the official said.

These rifles are considered superior to the indigenously made INSAS rifles (Indian Small Arms System) as their fire is accurate, spews quick round of bullets and is better to operate in jungle warfare conditions where moisture and heat affect the performance of a rifle, he said.

Keeping this in mind, the central paramilitary forces and the state police forces had expressed desire to purchase the AK (Avtomat Kalashnikova) series rifles for their jungle warfare and special task units and the Union home ministry had then clubbed their requirements and floated a global tender, he said. The tender was open for bidding about a year back and the delivery of the assault weapons, which have some enhancement in their basic features, has now begun, he said.

When contacted, a senior CRPF officer told PTI that the weapons will be provided to their combat units in Jammu and Kashmir and anti-Naxal operation areas in a month’s time. The Union government had last year authorised the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the country’s largest CAPF with over 3-lakh personnel, to replace almost all of its INSAS weapons with AK assault rifles in the ten Maoist violence-hit states where it is deployed to undertake offensive operations.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 19 Sep 2018 04:40

Another BSF soldier killed by porki sniper, RIP Braveheart. Twitter is flooded with comments of mutilation.

What BSF and army needs is counter sniper and sniper ops on steroids. Need to analyze on what can be done to increase our sniper fire effectively at the same time countering enemy snipers

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby vimal » 19 Sep 2018 04:52

Vips wrote:Central paramilitary forces, special police units get 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles defence.

A stockpile of over 36,000 modern AK-series assault rifles have been recently provided to central paramilitary forces and select state police units, a senior official said Tuesday.

This series of assault rifles are increasingly being preferred by the security forces due to their utility in all-weather conditions, good rate of fire and ease of adaptability in multifarious combat zones, the official said.

These rifles are considered superior to the indigenously made INSAS rifles (Indian Small Arms System) as their fire is accurate, spews quick round of bullets and is better to operate in jungle warfare conditions where moisture and heat affect the performance of a rifle, he said.

Keeping this in mind, the central paramilitary forces and the state police forces had expressed desire to purchase the AK (Avtomat Kalashnikova) series rifles for their jungle warfare and special task units and the Union home ministry had then clubbed their requirements and floated a global tender, he said. The tender was open for bidding about a year back and the delivery of the assault weapons, which have some enhancement in their basic features, has now begun, he said.

When contacted, a senior CRPF officer told PTI that the weapons will be provided to their combat units in Jammu and Kashmir and anti-Naxal operation areas in a month’s time. The Union government had last year authorised the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF), the country’s largest CAPF with over 3-lakh personnel, to replace almost all of its INSAS weapons with AK assault rifles in the ten Maoist violence-hit states where it is deployed to undertake offensive operations.


Isn't IA also working in the same environment as CRPF? So does that mean INSAS does not work in jungle warfare, heat, moisture or dust?
Then INSAS should've been phased out 10 years ago? :roll:
Import at all cost.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 09:27

krishna_krishna wrote:Another BSF soldier killed by porki sniper, RIP Braveheart. Twitter is flooded with comments of mutilation.

What BSF and army needs is counter sniper and sniper ops on steroids. Need to analyze on what can be done to increase our sniper fire effectively at the same time countering enemy snipers

Pray tell what would you suggest. You almost sound like the local formation commanders at all levels twiddle their thumbs!

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Sep 2018 10:13

We need to increase the amount of pain to them and somehow find means to target artillery and thier motors, basically improve accross the board with MP ATGM, tanks, ATGM, long Night Vision detection equipment, good counter battery radars, increased motors 105 mm, 155 mm artillery, UAV, Helicopters, satellite survelliance, lots of 12.7mm machine guns, anti material rifles, sniper rifles.

They should learn like Operation Parakram, that should sue for peace. RIght now they are not deterred enough. Sniper VS sniper is a stupid way to tie our hands, we must be able to inflict causualties, quickly locate the approxumate direction in which the sniper fires from, bombard the area with artillery motor to flush out the sniper and take him out even with an ATGM if required.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby krishna_krishna » 19 Sep 2018 18:47

ks_sachin wrote: You almost sound like the local formation commanders at all levels twiddle their thumbs!



I am not the local formation commander so lets leave it that that. Just to give you a sample of what I am suggesting let me tell you a small story :

There was a terroristan officer giving tour to Swedish officer (not sure it was as part of UNMOGIP or not). He was standing next to Swedish officer and viewing through binoculars, he was shot in a way that the brains were out and all over the other officer. From that point onwards check how many observers came from that country. This is a true story.

Few more samples :

https://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/jam ... 70004.html

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/india-hit ... ad-on-loc/

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 19:52

Which only shows that we dont sit with our hands in our pants!
They guys on the ground retaliate.
Guarding against sniper fire is not easy.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 19 Sep 2018 19:55

Aditya_V wrote:We need to increase the amount of pain to them and somehow find means to target artillery and thier motors, basically improve accross the board with MP ATGM, tanks, ATGM, long Night Vision detection equipment, good counter battery radars, increased motors 105 mm, 155 mm artillery, UAV, Helicopters, satellite survelliance, lots of 12.7mm machine guns, anti material rifles, sniper rifles.

They should learn like Operation Parakram, that should sue for peace. RIght now they are not deterred enough. Sniper VS sniper is a stupid way to tie our hands, we must be able to inflict causualties, quickly locate the approxumate direction in which the sniper fires from, bombard the area with artillery motor to flush out the sniper and take him out even with an ATGM if required.

A first part does not answer the question regardi g sniping.
The second part pray tell how that would work practically.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 22 Oct 2018 16:31

This is sickening, shooting a man talking to his family.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/ssb-jawan-killed-sniper-fire-militants-pulwama/

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya_V » 31 Oct 2018 10:30

So the Sniper with the M-4 carbine shooting security forces was a Nephew of Masood Azhar- Usman and has been despatched

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/jaish-chiefs-nephew-killed-in-tral-encounter/articleshow/66436320.cms

I think Hafiz Sayed and Masood Azhar rather than sending thier nephews should send thier sons to crossing the LOC by Publishing the time and date first.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 31 Oct 2018 20:34

Is this in the same area as the recent shooting death of Indian soldier from a head shot that penetrated the Kevlar helmet?

M4 is accurate to 500m and was used to 800m in Afghanistan. Also its bullet is designed to penetrate body armor with its steel core.
Vicky Nanjappa says these M4s are Taliban snatched US weapons in Afghanistan.

There was recent reports of M4 being available to the Paki terrorists in Kashmir.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 31 Oct 2018 20:38

Looks like it.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Khalsa » 01 Nov 2018 02:21

ramana wrote:Is this in the same area as the recent shooting death of Indian soldier from a head shot that penetrated the Kevlar helmet?

M4 is accurate to 500m and was used to 800m in Afghanistan. Also its bullet is designed to penetrate body armor with its steel core.
Vicky Nanjappa says these M4s are Taliban snatched US weapons in Afghanistan.

There was recent reports of M4 being available to the Paki terrorists in Kashmir.


I am not sure if it is ...i.e. the first part of your question Ramana.
Why ?
that was a special forces soldier who died and was possibly on patrol outside.
This sniper related kill seems to be inside the camp.


Also the Helmet was Kevlar but of the old type and make.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Nov 2018 10:14

Aditya_V wrote:So the Sniper with the M-4 carbine shooting security forces was a Nephew of Masood Azhar- Usman and has been despatched

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/jaish-chiefs-nephew-killed-in-tral-encounter/articleshow/66436320.cms

I think Hafiz Sayed and Masood Azhar rather than sending thier nephews should send thier sons to crossing the LOC by Publishing the time and date first.

For that we need to send our boys/tools to do the job

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 01 Nov 2018 19:56

Aditya_V wrote:This is sickening, shooting a man talking to his family.

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/ssb-jawan-killed-sniper-fire-militants-pulwama/


All reports indicate menace from Oct 2018. Glad its neutralized.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 11 Nov 2018 19:36

VIDEO: https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 3182530560 ---> ITBP personnel doing martial art and unarmed combat strengthening training on banks of Bhagirathi. Training in sand&water. From all the years I have covered security forces, I can indeed say that ITBP personnel, especially their commandos, are very good at their job.

https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 3010413568 ---> More training videos.

https://twitter.com/sneheshphilip/statu ... 3010413568 ---> And one more.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby jaysimha » 23 Nov 2018 15:15

https://www.newskarnataka.com/mangalore ... er-centres

raf-to-be-housed-in-mangalore-among-five-other-centres

Five new battalions of Rapid Action Force (RAF) will be set up
Varanasi (UP),
Jaipur (Rajasthan),
Mangalore (Karnataka),
Hajipur (Bihar) and
Nuh (Haryana).

With these, the total number of RAF battalions in the country goes up to 15.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Thakur_B » 24 Nov 2018 22:31

ramana wrote:Is this in the same area as the recent shooting death of Indian soldier from a head shot that penetrated the Kevlar helmet?

M4 is accurate to 500m and was used to 800m in Afghanistan. Also its bullet is designed to penetrate body armor with its steel core.
Vicky Nanjappa says these M4s are Taliban snatched US weapons in Afghanistan.

There was recent reports of M4 being available to the Paki terrorists in Kashmir.


Ramana, 5.56 nato being used up to 800 meters is not feasible. Even at 500 meters even slightest amount of wind will take the light 5.56 projectile off course. Launched from a short barrel m4, is going to make the task even more difficult. It is possible to achieve those ranges and accuracy with match grade ammunition, not standard military issue. The combat effective (not calibrated or best case scenario) range of m4 is at best 300-350 meters, that too with well trained shooters and some optics.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 27 Nov 2018 01:32

So the M4 rifle is red herring.
Or the terrorist was much closer under cover.

or Something more potent was used by the terrorists.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 31 Jan 2019 05:23

VIDEO

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1089778052077367297 ---> Indo-Tibetan Border Police personnel practice martial arts at 11,000 feet in Uttarakhand's Auli.

https://twitter.com/manjeetnegilive/sta ... 3902075906 ---> Happy Republic Day 2019! ITBP official personnel known as Himveers celebrating Republic Day 2019 at Himalayan Heights 18,000 feet in Ladakh. Temperatures dips as many as minus 30 degree Celsius.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Vips » 27 Mar 2019 04:50

Cochin Shipyard wins govt order worth Rs. 270 crore for supply of Nine floating border outposts to BSF.

Cochin Shipyard Limited (CSL) has received a formal letter of Acceptance of Tender for 9 Floating Broader Outpost Vessels (FBOPs) from the Ministry of Home Affairs, India. The order for these 9 vessels is worth Rs. 270 crore.

CSL has bagged the order against stiff domestic competitive tender process participated by other shipyards. These boats will eventually join the water wing of Broader Security Force (BSF). The first set of 3 FBOPs are to be delivered within 18 months and subsequent batches of 3 each in 9 months intervals.

The details of the designing of these vessels include that the vessel will have 46 metres length and 12 metres width. They need to be capable of working in a very low draft of upto 1.2 metres and will be equipped with 4 fast patrol boats that can be launched and hoisted using Davit system. The other specifications for the vessel include accommodating 38 men on board. The FBOPs will be equipped with necessary navigation, communication and surveillance systems besides other modern facilities.

Through this order, CSL has an opportunity to prove its capability in the defence vessel construction segment and its commitment to support the new projects of various Indian Defence organisations for Maritime Security.

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Image: India Today (file)An FBOP of an earlier variant operated by the BSF


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Postby darshan » 22 Aug 2019 07:40

One BSF jawan killed and another injured in clashes with cattle smugglers along Bangladesh border - Opindia News
https://www.opindia.com/2019/08/one-bsf ... sh-border/
Two separate skirmishes between cattle smugglers and security forces along the Bangladesh border in Assam and West Bengal has led to the death of a BSF soldier and critical injury to another jawan respectively.

The incident along the Assam-Bangladesh border, in which a BSF jawan lost his life, took place on Sunday when Inspector Sanjay Kumar Sadhu fell into the Brahmaputra river in Dhubri while chasing cattle smugglers. Sadhu, 35, belonged to the sixth battalion of the Border Security Force. The inspector, native of Vadodara district in Gujarat, is survived by his wife, two daughters and a son, a senior official said. The wide Brahmaputra river in Dhubri district in Assam is a preferred route of smugglers and illegal immigrants. Although the river is patroled at the border, it is so wide that security forces are evaded by transpassers.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby tsarkar » 22 Aug 2019 22:10

While there are other higher priority things on Shri Amit Shah's mind, I seriously wish the BSF conducts operations to end this nonsense.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 29 Aug 2019 00:30

tsarkar wrote:While there are other higher priority things on Shri Amit Shah's mind, I seriously wish the BSF conducts operations to end this nonsense.


Cattle smuggling has demand and supply factors.
BSF is only in last mile operations.
Add religious angle of the cattle smugglers.

Also something has to be done on the supply side also.

Some folks in Panvel are adopting cattle to end the need to sell the cattle.

This type of activity has to be nationwide.

Also in the last para:

The porous border along Bangladesh is often used by cattle smugglers to illegally transport cattle from India to Bangladesh. Recently, the BSF discovered a new method adopted by smugglers to smuggle cattle across the border. Smugglers are using flooded rivers to send cattle to the other side. It is estimated that thousands of cattle are smuggled every year to Bangladesh through the 2216 KM long porous border.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby wig » 17 Oct 2019 18:53

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... vfKtN.html

BSF soldier shot dead by Bangladesh border guards after flag meeting
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This meeting took place at about 10.30 am; the BSF’s Post Commander along with 5 soldiers approached the BGB patrol in the water channel.
“During the flag meeting, the BGB patrol did not release Indian fisherman and also tried to cordon (gherao) BSF troops,” the spokesperson said.
“Sensing the situation (was) worsening, BSF party immediately returned… BGB troops opened fire on the returning BSF party,” the BSF said.

Head Constable Vijay Bhan Singh received bullet injuries on his head. A constable, who was a crew member on the boat, received bullet injuries on his right hand.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby sudeepj » 17 Oct 2019 22:07

wig wrote:https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/bsf-soldier-shot-dead-by-bangladesh-border-guards-after-flag-meeting/story-DFu6neVo5qdO2cFF8vfKtN.html

BSF soldier shot dead by Bangladesh border guards after flag meeting
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This meeting took place at about 10.30 am; the BSF’s Post Commander along with 5 soldiers approached the BGB patrol in the water channel.
“During the flag meeting, the BGB patrol did not release Indian fisherman and also tried to cordon (gherao) BSF troops,” the spokesperson said.
“Sensing the situation (was) worsening, BSF party immediately returned… BGB troops opened fire on the returning BSF party,” the BSF said.

Head Constable Vijay Bhan Singh received bullet injuries on his head. A constable, who was a crew member on the boat, received bullet injuries on his right hand.


This is disgusting.. They called the BSF for a flag meeting and murdered Vijay Bhan Singh in cold blood! Border Guards is the renamed Bangladesh Rifles after they murdered all of their officers. Thoroughly undisciplined force. Are these people serving in uniform or are barely disguised dacoits and smugglers?

At this level, going through Sheikh Haseena govt. may not be any good to establish a 'balance of terror'. Even if their officers see reason, or the leadership of Bangladesh is trying, these low level rambo shits may just not obey! A SF surgical strike that kills 20 of them may teach these guys some manners.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ramana » 17 Oct 2019 22:15

Note the confused language.
The BSF party was returning when they got fired on by the BGB.
Basically shot at when withdrawing after hostile meeting.


I think there is a link to the murders going on in Murshidabad, Bengal.


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