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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby VinodTK » 30 Mar 2011 04:31

No bulletproof jackets for forces fighting Maoists
This will mark two years of the paramilitary forces’ wait to equip their men with the basic life- saving shield. After the tender floated for the jackets in July 2009 got embroiled in a scam, the home ministry had placed a Rs 103 crore order, the biggest ever, with a Kanpurbased firm, MKU Limited, on April 27, 2010.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 30 Mar 2011 11:47

anirban_aim wrote:ASPuar ji I've some doubts. Not to challenge what you have said, but to my knowledge this might not be correct
Subedar Majors are equivalent to DSP's in some state police forces


DSPs are generally promoted state police service officers, with 3 stars or in some cases an Ashoka emblem as ranks with service lengths above 20 years. They fall under Group A state service non IPS (Some of them eventually get promoted to IPS cadre too)

Subedar Majors can at best be equated to Circle Inspectors, who are Group B officers in State service who have SHOs/SIs under them.

My understanding was Subedar = SI. Subedar Major = Circle Inspector

Lt/Capt = DSP

Maj/Lt. Col = SP/SSP

Col/Brig = DIGP

Maj Gen. = IGP/DDGP (based on seniority)

Lt Gen = DGP

Can you kindly explain. I think this might help many. or should I take it to the newbie thread?


Hi Anirban, Id be happy to explain.

The key to the whole matter lies in understanding the fact that rank equivalence between army and police (including CPOs) is not determined by what badges they are wearing on their shoulders, but rather by the salary they are being paid, which is the standard government method for determination of equivalence and inter se seniority.

The dichotomy lies in the fact, that the police gave higher rank badges to its men in the 1950s, without government according concurrent pay, and therefore status to them. Whereas for the gazetted ranks (IPS), concurrent pay and status to the new rank badges has eventually been achieved (through the successive pay commissions), non gazetted policemen remain at their prior status.

As an example, a DIG used to be equivalent to a Lt Col at the time of independence, and wore the same badges of rank as one. An Inspector General of Police (at independence, and prior), the highest rank of police officer until the late 1970s, used to wear the rank badges of a full Colonel. Now they wear the badges of a Major General, and are equivalent in pay to one.

Similarly, police inspectors used to wear the rank badges of a Subedar, but were given an extra star. However, their equivalence has not changed, and subedars and inspectors are paid the same salary. Same for Sub Inspectors, who used to wear only one star, and are equivalent to Naib Subedars, in pay and status. Lastly, army havildars are paid the same as the police Assistant Sub INspector.

As far as the case of Subedar Major is concerned, not all state police forces place DSP's in Class I service. Many are group B. They are paid the same as a Subedar Major in the army. However, those DSP's who are in Class I, are senior to SM's, though still in a Group B service. For example, Assistant Commissioners of Police in Delhi Police from the DANIPS service (group B ), are paid the same as Subedar Majors. However, you are correct, that their promotion prospects are obviously better, since the directly recruited ones join at the same salary and stage as SM's as young men, while an SM is at the end of his career. The situation of promotee DSP's is more similar to that of an SM. Of course, in terms of power, an ACP in Delhi has more clout than an SM in a Bn. But then he has more clout than an Assistant Comdt in a CPO also.

The fact that DSP's wear 3 stars on their shoulders also does not make them equivalent to captains. Again, whats on the shoulders doesnt matter till later in the career.

The real equivalence between IPS and Army is far more complex.

By pay grade, here is how it goes (PB=Pay Band).

PB3, Grade Pay 5400 (Entry Grade): Lieutenants, Deputy Superintendents of Police (Junior Time Scale IPS)
PB3, Grade Pay 6100: Captains (2 yrs service). No equivalent in the Police Services.
PB3, Grade Pay 6600: Majors (6 yrs service); Senior Time Scale officers of the IPS (4 years, they can be SP's)
PB3, Grade Pay 7600: No equivalent in the Army; Junior Admin Grade of the IPS (can be SP's, or Deputy Secy in Central Govt)
PB4, Grade Pay 8000: Lt Col in the Army (13yrs service); No equivalent in the police services.
Pb4, Grade Pay 8700: Col in the Army (15 years service); Selection Grade IPS (can be SP's, or Director in Cent Govt)
Pb4, Grade Pay 8900: Brig in Army; DIGP
PB4, Grade Pay 10000: Maj Gen in Army; IGP

Higher Admin Grade: Lt Gen in Army; ADGP (Or additional secy in central Govt)

Higher Admin Grade Plus: Lt Gen in Army; "Special DGP" (all army and IPS officers who have made it to the previous grade and have enough service time left, get promoted to this one)

Army Commanders Grade (Rs 80000 per month):
GoC-In-C of a Command (Lt Gen); DGP of a State, DG BSF, Director, Intelligence Bureau in IPS (he wears a full generals rank, in keeping with the upgradation of ranks, but is paid same as a secy to GoI and army commander); Secretary to the GoI in Central Govt

Army Chief (Rs 90000 per month): Highest pay grade in govt. Not available to IPS. Only equivalent in pay is the Cabinet Secretary, who is an IAS officer.
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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Sachin » 30 Mar 2011 11:58

ASPuar wrote:The key to the whole matter lies in understanding the fact that rank equivalence between army and police (including CPOs) is not determined by what badges they are wearing on their shoulders, but rather by the salary they are being paid, which is the standard government method for determination of equivalence and inter se seniority.

What would be the procedures to be followed on more day to day situation, for example parades etc.? For most of the aam aadmi this is what may be of interest? :). A simple thing like who salutes whom first? Or who takes orders from whom. To be honest, "one up man ship" does exist and even stuff like salutes etc (which is more like a military courtesy) is used to prove the point.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby anirban_aim » 30 Mar 2011 12:38

ASPuar wrote:
anirban_aim wrote:ASPuar ji I've some doubts. Not to challenge what you have said, but to my knowledge DSPs are generally promoted state police service officers, with 3 stars or in some cases an Ashoka emblem as ranks with service lengths above 20 years. They fall under Group A state service non IPS (Some of them eventually get promoted to IPS cadre too)

Subedar Majors can at best be equated to Circle Inspectors, who are Group B officers in State service who have SHOs/SIs under them.

My understanding was Subedar = SI. Subedar Major = Circle Inspector

Lt/Capt = DSP

Maj/Lt. Col = SP/SSP

Col/Brig = DIGP

Maj Gen. = IGP/DDGP (based on seniority)

Lt Gen = DGP

Can you kindly explain. I think this might help many. or should I take it to the newbie thread?


Hi Anirban, Id be happy to explain.

The key to the whole matter lies in understanding the fact that rank equivalence between army and police (including CPOs) is not determined by what badges they are wearing on their shoulders, but rather by the salary they are being paid, which is the standard government method for determination of equivalence and inter se seniority.

The dichotomy lies in the fact, that the police gave higher rank badges to its men in the 1950s, without government according concurrent pay, and therefore status to them. Whereas for the gazetted ranks (IPS), concurrent pay and status to the new rank badges has eventually been achieved (through the successive pay commissions), non gazetted policemen remain at their prior status.

As an example, a DIG used to be equivalent to a Lt Col at the time of independence, and wore the same badges of rank as one. An Inspector General of Police (at independence, and prior), the highest rank of police officer until the late 1970s, used to wear the rank badges of a full Colonel. Now they wear the badges of a Major General, and are equivalent in pay to one.

Similarly, police inspectors used to wear the rank badges of a Subedar, but were given an extra star. However, their equivalence has not changed, and subedars and inspectors are paid the same salary. Same for Sub Inspectors, who used to wear only one star, and are equivalent to Naib Subedars, in pay and status. Lastly, army havildars are paid the same as the police Assistant Sub INspector.

As far as the case of Subedar Major is concerned, not all state police forces place DSP's in Class I service. Many are group B. They are paid the same as a Subedar Major in the army. However, those DSP's who are in Class I, are senior to SM's, though still in a Group B service. For example, Assistant Commissioners of Police in Delhi Police from the DANIPS service (group B), are paid the same as Subedar Majors. However, you are correct, that their promotion prospects are obviously better, since they join at the salary same stage as SM's as young men, while an SM is at the end of his career.

The fact that DSP's wear 3 stars on their shoulders also does not make them equivalent to captains. Again, whats on the shoulders doesnt matter till later in the career.

The real equivalence between IPS and Army is far more complex.

By pay grade, here is how it goes (PB=Pay Band).

PB3, Grade Pay 5400 (Entry Grade): Lieutenants, Deputy Superintendents of Police (Junior Time Scale IPS)
PB3, Grade Pay 6100: Captains (2 yrs service). No equivalent in the Police Services.
PB3, Grade Pay 6600: Majors (6 yrs service); Senior Time Scale officers of the IPS (4 years, they can be SP's)
PB3, Grade Pay 7600: No equivalent in the Army; Junior Admin Grade of the IPS (can be SP's, or Deputy Secy in Central Govt)
PB4, Grade Pay 8000: Lt Col in the Army (13yrs service); No equivalent in the police services.
Pb4, Grade Pay 8700: Col in the Army (15 years service); Selection Grade IPS (can be SP's, or Director in Cent Govt)
Pb4, Grade Pay 8900: Brig in Army; DIGP
PB4, Grade Pay 10000: Maj Gen in Army; IGP

Higher Admin Grade: Lt Gen in Army; ADGP (Or additional secy in central Govt)

Higher Admin Grade Plus: Lt Gen in Army; "Special DGP" (all army and IPS officers who have made it to the previous grade and have enough service time left, get promoted to this one)

Army Commanders Grade (Rs 80000 per month):
GoC-In-C of a Command (Lt Gen); DGP of a State, DG BSF, Director, Intelligence Bureau in IPS (he wears a full generals rank, in keeping with the upgradation of ranks, but is paid same as a secy to GoI and army commander); Secretary to the GoI in Central Govt

Army Chief (Rs 90000 per month): Highest pay grade in govt. Not available to IPS. Only equivalent in pay is the Cabinet Secretary, who is an IAS officer.


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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 30 Mar 2011 13:48

Sachin wrote:
ASPuar wrote:The key to the whole matter lies in understanding the fact that rank equivalence between army and police (including CPOs) is not determined by what badges they are wearing on their shoulders, but rather by the salary they are being paid, which is the standard government method for determination of equivalence and inter se seniority.

What would be the procedures to be followed on more day to day situation, for example parades etc.? For most of the aam aadmi this is what may be of interest? :). A simple thing like who salutes whom first? Or who takes orders from whom. To be honest, "one up man ship" does exist and even stuff like salutes etc (which is more like a military courtesy) is used to prove the point.


Actually, all that the aam aadmi needs to understand about inter se seniority, and who can take orders from whom, is explained by the equivalence provided in my quite detailed post above. That is the equivalence currently laid down by the govt, and thats how things stand, in all and every situations, whether on a parade ground, in the office, or anywhere else.

Anyway, The aam admi has very little to do with salutes, because they neither render nor receive them, and so it is a matter of interest to only uniformed personnel. But Saluting is an interesting point. Nominally, service officers and jawans are supposed to salute only superior officers of the three services (when in uniform), and the president of India, and thatis all that the regulations say. I dont think there are any rules on saluting between defence and civil service (police) officers. And so, the salute is optional on both ends, at best, a matter of courtesy. It is wholly incorrect for an army lieutenant to salute a cpo asst comdt, or an ACP, because they are of the same rank. Same for Subedars and Inspectors, etc. etc. But for genuinely superior officers, possibly a salute is rendered at both sides.

Who takes orders from whom varies on a situational basis. However, it is very clear that persons in a senior pay grade NEVER take orders from a junior rank, no matter what they may be wearing on their shoulder. An exception is the relationship between IAS and IPS, where a junior IAS officer who may be District Magistrate can issue orders to an SP.

An example is the customs services. Their JTS (entry grade) officers wear an ashok stambh and a star (similar insignia to Lt Cols or STS/JAG IPS). But neither soldiers nor policemen salute them, nor take orders from them.

Another example, is the wearing of full colonel rank insignia (in J&K only), by officers in STS of IPS (equivalent to a major). They have recently started doing this (without any authority from MHA), to 'faciliate' their interactions with army and CPO officers. In such a case, a) no salute will be rendered, and b) the authority of the wearer of such spurious badges, is also in question. A uniform is not a mere fancy dress costume, to be adorned as and when desired, It is earned, and so, Officers of not only the armed forces and CPOs have protested, but also police officers from other states, who are displeased with this precedent being set.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 04 Apr 2011 20:35

CRPF seems to be the PMF with maximum disciplinary issues. Now that their bn strenth is 1.5 times what it used to be just 5 years ago, (more than 200 bns), there is no shortage of manpower. And being posted at Ashok rd in Delhi is a pretty cushy posting, compared to what some of the forces sipahis have got.

Could it be something other than mere leave issues, with cops covering up the real reason?

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... es/771421/

CRPF man fires in air outside BJP HQ, no injuries
PTI | Apr 4, 2011, 05.35pm IST

NEW DELHI: A CRPF jawan posted at the BJP headquarters here fired several rounds in the air from his service rifle at around midnight apparently peeved at not being granted leave, sources said on Monday.

Shamshad Ali, who is in his late twenties, allegedly fired in the air emptying the magazine of his SLR rifle at around 12:30 AM the 11, Ashoka Road headquarters of BJP, they said. Nobody was injured in the incident.

Soon after the incident, he was overpowered and senior officials of the CRPF rushed to the spot, the sources said.

Ali told the officials that he was unhappy as he was not granted leave to go home to address some domestic issue.

"He told the officials that he had been repeatedly asking for leave from his superior officers but in vain," a senior official said.

However, a top CRPF official said he was granted leave in January and March this year
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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby ASPuar » 15 Apr 2011 11:26

Another passenger thrashed by CISF personnel in the Delhi Metro. Apparently, the passenger was agitated because of some misunderstanding over refunds. However, it is clear that the duty of the CISF men was to detain him, pending investigation. Instead, they wrongfully confined him, locking him in a room, and then brutally thrashed him.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 986433.cms

Engineer in hospital after beating by Delhi Metro staff
Dwaipayan Ghosh, TNN | Apr 15, 2011, 05.43am IST

NEW DELHI: A 35-year-old engineer was admitted to the ICU of a city hospital after DMRC officials and security personnel allegedly beat him up for half-an-hour at the Karkardooma Metro station in east Delhi on Wednesday evening, following an altercation over refund at the ticket counter.

The victim, Swastik Kant Jain, had demanded Rs 86 that DMRC owed him after a Metro ride from Akshardham to Karkardooma. As the argument turned ugly, four Metro officials and two CISF personnel started hitting and kicking Jain in the presence of hundreds of passengers. DMRC has suspended two of its staffers while CISF is conducting a probe. The police are yet to register a case.

"The patient is under severe pain. One of his eyes was swollen and he was having pain in opening his eyelid. We have conducted a CT scan though we have not, prima facie, detected any major internal injury. He is under deep mental trauma though he is out of danger," said Dr P K Duggal, deputy MS of Deepak Memorial Hospital, where Jain was taken by his wife Swapna after the incident.

Swapna and her six-year-old daughter were waiting for Jain outside the station when she got a call that he was being beaten up "I could hardly believe I heard correctly. I rushed with my daughter upstairs and saw him lying on the floor inside the station control and ticketing room. Four DMRC men in uniform and two CISF jawans were beating and kicking him," she said

Swapna said other passengers protested too but the staff locked the room from inside and began beating up Jain again. "I pleaded for almost half-an-hour before I was finally allowed to enter and rush him to hospital as he was howling in pain," she claimed.

The incident forced DMRC to suspend two of its employees — the Karkardooma station controller and the customer relations officer the same night after CCTV footage showed their involvement. A high level inquiry has been ordered. The CISF too, claimed sources, have ordered a separate inquiry.

Amazingly, the Delhi Metro police are yet to register a case. "The hospital authorities have not yet handed us the complete MLC report. We will be investigating the case. We finally recorded the victim`s statement on Thursday. We are also determining if it is a cognizable offence. If not, we will close the case," said additional DCP (railways) B S Gurjar.

A shocked Swapna, who works as a judicial assistant at the Karkardooma courts, said: "We are not sure why the cops are only taking statements. We want prompt action against all accused."

It all began when site engineer Jain was returning from Katwaria Sarai. "He got dropped at Akshardham Metro station where he produced a Rs 500 rupee note at the counter as he did not have change. The ticket attendant said he too had no change and asked him to take a smart card instead. He was issued a Rs 100 card (Rs 50 minimum charges and another Rs 50 security deposit). The attendant returned Rs 400 and said the rest of the balance could be claimed at the destination station. Swastik called me and asked me to wait near the Karkari bend with my Scooty," said Swapna.

The cops Jain demanded the balance due to him at the Karkardooma station. "There are two versions of what took place there. One, the victim got abusive when told he can demand a refund only after 15 days and this led to a physical exchange. According to the second version, he was unhappy that the mandatory security deposit (Rs 50) was being forfeited," claimed an investigating officer.

DMRC sources said it was Jain who stated the brawl. "The passenger had an altercation with the customer care staff of DMRC at 8pm on Wednesday at Karkardooma Metro station on the issue of smart card refund. On being told that there wasn`t enough change at the counter, the passenger used abusive language and tried to put his hands into the cash drawer. This aggravated the situation which led to a physical confrontation between the passenger and the customer care staff," a Metro spokesperson said.

The spokesperson added that DMRC had immediately suspended the customer care staff. "The station controller on duty at that time was also suspended as he too got involved in the incident. DMRC has also ordered an inquiry into the incident. DMRC views any such incident very seriously and will take appropriate action," the spokesperson said.

The incident comes days after a supervisor of the Sultanpur Metro station was arrested for allegedly stalking a DMRC woman employee. Recently, a UK national had complained that CISF personnel did not listen to her or her brother when they went to report the theft of their carrybags. They were instead told to approach the Noida police.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby VinodTK » 08 May 2011 22:15

Dog breed that sniffed out Osama to help Indian forces
"This is the first time that police and Central security forces will be using canines in operations in the Naxal hotbeds of the country - a practice in line with the Israeli and NATO forces operating in Afghanistan and other places. They find the target, which can either be a suspect human or landmine, and alert their handlers thereby fixing the unwanted element," a senior security officer involved in the training of these sniffers said.

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Postby abhinavjo » 08 May 2011 23:07

I have a pretty rookie question... I'll be appearing in the CPF(AC) exam soon. Just wondering which one of the paramilitary forces would be the best to get into? from a point of view of adventure and non-corruption (:P)

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I have a pretty rookie question... I'll be appearing in the CPF(AC) exam soon. Just wondering which one of the paramilitary forces would be the best to get into? from a point of view of adventure and non-corruption (:P)

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^^^^^^^

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Postby Aditya G » 11 May 2011 03:42

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/sair/Arch ... 9/9_41.htm

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This was far from coincidental, since Sopore has emerged as a significant hub of terrorism and subversion in the State. On March 2, 2010, Chief Minister Omar Abdullah, had noted, "Militants are grouping in the Sopore area and Kulgam District. These areas are a challenge for us on the militancy front. We are taking extra measures to deal with the militants there." Subsequently, on June 30, 2010, Union Home Minister, P. Chidambaram observed, "Anti-national elements are clearly linked to LeT, which is active in the Sopore area."

Clearly, troop cuts, long pushed by an uncomprehending ‘peace lobby’, both domestic and international, and by aggressive Pakistani diplomacy, have had an adverse impact on the security scenario in the State in general and Baramulla in particular. Significantly, the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) was withdrawn from Baramulla in the aftermath of unrest following the killing of four civilians in June 2009. Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram, however, had insisted that the disengaging of the force from law and order duties in Baramulla was part of the latest strategy agreed to by the Centre and J&K Government to "redraw the lines of responsibility" of the various forces stationed in the State. "When I visited Jammu & Kashmir on June 11 and 12, we agreed that the lines of responsibility (for maintenance of security in J&K) must be redrawn...we have been in touch with J&K to allow us to withdraw some of the CRPF companies," Chidambaram had said on July 1, 2009. He added, further, that it was only on June 30, 2009, that the Chief Minister had got in touch with him to convey that the J&K Police was ready to take over from the CRPF in Baramulla.

A confidential report by the J&K Police, however, has blamed the resurgence of militancy in Sopore on troop ‘relocation’. Yet, Chief Minister Abdullah, on March 18, 2011, boasted that, with marked improvement in the internal security situation and gradual restoration of peace, 35,000 Army personnel and hundreds of Central Paramilitary Force (CPMF) personnel had been shifted out of J&K in the preceding 15 months alone: "We have reduced thousands of troops and also decreased the number of Central Paramilitary Forces from internal duty without creating any hype... the process (of troop reduction) will continue."

In view of escalating trends in both terrorist and street violence, such a position is clearly problematic. Conspicuously, the infrastructure, logistics and human resources of Pakistan-backed Islamist terrorism are entrenched and active (both covertly and overtly) in the State, with Sopore-Baramulla as their prominent hub. The events of 2010 have unambiguously demonstrated the dangers of complacence and of the hasty, politically motivated, undermining of the security grid....


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Srinagar, May 10 (PTI) Five Indian Reserve Police (IRP) battalion, trained in use of non-lethal equipment, would be deployed in field to maintain law and order in Jammu and Kashmir. They will use more humane and people-friendly policing techniques, Director General of Police Kuldeep Khoda said today. "Our priority is to ensure peace and security of the people of the state and nobody will be allowed to disrupt the peaceful atmosphere for their interests," Khoda said chairing a high level meeting, convened to review the law and order situation in the valley, at Police Control Room here. He said for the first time five IRP battalions would be inducted in the Valley and they will be protected by light body gears. The equipment would protect them from any kind of mob fury while maintaining the law and order, he said. The police chief said the law and order situation in the State is satisfactory. However, the police will tackle any emergent situation firmly, he added. Khoda stressed upon the officers present in the meeting to ensure minimum use of force while dealing law and order situation to avoid loss of human lives. The department has procured non-lethal equipment specially made by the Defence and Research Development Organization (DRDO) which would help the police personnel to disperse mobs without causing any loss of life, he said. Going by the previous experience, Khoda said the department has worked out a new strategy to prevent such situation in future. He asked the officers to ensure that newly procured equipments are issued to the personnel maintaining the law and order, and to use minimum force to avoid causalities.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby shravan » 15 May 2011 12:46

BSF trooper killed on India-Pakistan border

A Border Security Force (BSF) trooper, deployed on the India-Pakistan border in Jammu and Kashmir, was killed in cross-border firing on Saturday, BSF sources said.

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From Paki Paper

One killed, 13 injured in Indian shelling at Sialkot border

SIALKOT: At least one Pakistani citizen reported martyred and 13 others injured in Indian Border Force’s (IBF) ongoing shelling at Sialkot border town, SAMAA reported on Sunday.

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chackojoseph wrote:Coast Guard Dornier aircraft rescues fishermen off Daman

I will post some pics later.


OT: This author has a terrible grasp of English, how do such people get to be writers in a national news website?

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biswas wrote:
chackojoseph wrote:Coast Guard Dornier aircraft rescues fishermen off Daman

I will post some pics later.


OT: This author has a terrible grasp of English, how do such people get to be writers in a national news website?


:rotfl: Mr Biswas, this is a straight copy and paste of Coast Guard Release. Please point out where is the mistake, I will rectify it.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby shiv » 20 May 2011 16:17

Nice report. Standard Indian English. We accept English like this on the forum as well. I thought only my generation of Macaulayites would have takleef with that story 8) - its not too bad. I would write it differently - but I think its OK.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 20 May 2011 16:29

^^^^ I think its time for Inglish. We have Queens and American.


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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Raja Bose » 23 May 2011 02:23

chackojoseph wrote:
biswas wrote:
OT: This author has a terrible grasp of English, how do such people get to be writers in a national news website?


:rotfl: Mr Biswas, this is a straight copy and paste of Coast Guard Release. Please point out where is the mistake, I will rectify it.



It reads like a dispatch report - your reply explains why. There is nothing really wrong with the English - its just factual to the point of terseness. If it was the Khan, they would make it even more terse to make it sound TFTA kamandu-like.

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Re: BSF,CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Karan M » 23 May 2011 03:27

I found it fascinating to see the entire operation explained in detail step by step

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 25 May 2011 09:15

^^^^ Thanks folks. I took opinions with some people I know. No one said there is a problem, it was interesting and more such achievement should be avaliable to public. Hopefully Mr Biswas replies. As I keep saying, we are always ready to correct and improve.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Raghavendra » 25 May 2011 17:19

Give best training, facilities to BSF staff: PC
Updated on Wednesday, May 25, 2011, 14:07

New Delhi: Home Minister P Chidambaram on Wednesday advocated the need for providing best training and working conditions for thousands of BSF personnel who work in extreme difficult conditions.

"We owe a duty to stand by them. We owe a duty to give them best training, equipment and best conditions given the fact that they operate in very hostile conditions...Not many have appreciated the tremendous efforts put by BSF men," Chidambaram said.

The Home Minister was speaking after inaugurating the BSF kala mela, a five-day exhibit at Lalit Kala Akademi, displaying 112 paintings and more than 200 sculptures made by 58 central para-military force men, women, family members and school teachers among others.

Praising BSF men for their work, Chidambaram said, "While media reports this and that, there are few who reports facts. About 1,678 BSF officers have made supreme sacrifice in the defence of the country."

He asked Delhiites to visit the exhibition and buy the products made by these personnel to support and encourage them.

"I sincerely hope that thousands and thousands of Delhiites will visit the exhibition. Delhi is a wealthy place and I am confident that they will come here and buy the products," the Home Minister said.

The BSF kala mela will end on May 29. Director General BSF Raman Srivastava, President of BSF Wives Welfare Association Anjali Srivastava, DG Indo Tibetan Border Police R K Bhatia and other senior officials were present during the function.



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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby shravan » 02 Jun 2011 18:42

India to deploy marine commandos in Sir Creek

New Delhi, Jun 2 (PTI) India will deploy an elite unit of BSF 'marine' commandos to keep a vigil on infiltration from the Sir Creek area in Kutch along the Indo-Pakistan frontier.

The Marine unit will specifically be deployed along the 'Harami Nala' area in Sir Creek which is a marshy, sluggish and shallow water channel, spread over 500 sq km in Kutch, a senior BSF officer said.

The area has in the past witnessed many violations by Pakistani fishermen.

The marshy topography of the area makes it difficult for troops to react swiftly against infiltration and incidents of smuggling through this area.

The Union Home Ministry recently approved a budgetary sanction of Rs 44 crore to raise a unit of the BSF.

The marine unit, first-ever in a paramilitary organisation, will be trained to undertake amphibious (both land and water) operations and will possess special swimming and diving skills to operate in this area.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 02 Jun 2011 18:51

These are Crocodiles, the BSF marine commandos.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby atreya » 03 Jun 2011 12:29

Aren't they already deployed there? This link, dated 29th April, 2010 says so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8650993.stm

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 03 Jun 2011 12:39

atreya wrote:Aren't they already deployed there? This link, dated 29th April, 2010 says so
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8650993.stm


Around 30 to 40 are IMHO.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby chackojoseph » 10 Jun 2011 10:21

Will OFB improve its Mine Protection Vehicles?

It is time they improve the vehicle.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby VinodTK » 11 Jun 2011 16:33

Indian Police Seeking More Mini-UAVs
The first Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) used by police forces in India is the ‘Golden Hawk’, expected to be followed by the ‘Netra’, both developed by India’s Defense Research & Development Organisation (DRDO). Following the official roll-out with the Chandigarh Police in North-Western India, and training of specialist police teams in operating the new systems, the mini-drones were used operationally monitoring large rallies and marches, providing bird’s eye view for law enforcement officers, improving situational understanding.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Aditya G » 12 Jun 2011 19:36

http://www.financialexpress.com/printer/news/795110/

New DelhiGrappling with high expenses incurred on security personnel deployed at the Airport Metro Express Line, the Reliance Infrastructure-led concessionaire now wants the government to foot the bill. The company has written to the Urban Development Ministry, which has a 50 per cent stake in the Metro rail network, requesting that the security be provided for free or at a subsidy.

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According to an open-ended clause in the concession agreement, the choice of deploying the CISF, a government agency or any other approved agency for the security arrangement on the line, was left to the concessionaire. The concessionaire had initially chosen to engage an approved private agency, and even trained its personnel. But when the DMRC forwarded the proposal to the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA), it was rejected. The MHA insisted that the core security of the line had to be with the CISF.

The concessionaire was also told that it will have to provide for the upkeep of over 400 CISF personnel for the 30-year concession period. The expenses include barracks, family accommodation, arms and ammunition, pension, transport and uniform for the CISF personnel deployed.

The change in security plan, not factored earlier by the concessionaire, has escalated the operational costs. Having already invested over Rs 2,500 crore in the project, the concessionaire had earlier requested the MHA to spare it from the expenses on the barracks and family accommodation, which was not granted.

The MHA initially insisted on the deployment of 700-plus personnel, but after discussions, the figure was revised to over 400 personnel, which too is said to be more than the average deployment at existing Delhi Metro stations

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Sachin » 12 Jun 2011 20:30

atreya wrote:GRP to be scrapped?

Good thing if they do this. GRP is nothing but a contingent of police men from a state police force detailed for train escorts etc. Where as RPF was only authorised to protect 'railway property'. RPF should be made a force, which protects railway property, and also ensure a safe train travel. This would also free up police men from the state police for regular law and order duties, outside the trains.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Gaur » 15 Jun 2011 01:27

CoBRA hub planned in Jangal Mahal area
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... 104467.ece


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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 19 Jun 2011 10:32

French firm eyes Indian market for Gowind

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The DCNS, which christened its self-funded Gowind Offshore Patrol Vessel (OPV) ‘L'Adroit' at a ceremony in this Western French town shipyard on Friday, hoped the vessel would get a look-in by the Indian Coast Guard as would its Mistral class Landing Helicopter Dock by the Navy...

...The government has cleared acquisitions of various platforms including 13 OPVs for the Coast Guard. However, these would have to be built by an Indian shipyard with design collaboration from a foreign company. DCNS is already in talks with shipyards in India but its officials refused to share details citing commercial confidentiality.

The company plans to pitch its Mistral class – two of which it sold to Russia on Friday – when Indian Navy floats the tender even as it hopes to make headway in securing contract for the second line of six Scorpene submarines and 6 ships under project 17A.

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Re: BSF, CRPF and other Paramilitary Forces Discussion

Postby Craig Alpert » 28 Jun 2011 06:20

BSF repels massive Maoists attack in Chhattisgarh
NEW DELHI: A repeat of the Dantewada massacre was narrowly averted after a Border Security Force (BSF) battalion managed to foil a Naxal ambush on Sunday afternoon, 3 km from their camp in Kanker district of Chhattisgarh. Nearly 300 ultras attacked a battalion of about 85 BSF jawans on their way back from area domination exercise.

BSF DG Raman Srivastava said, "It was a well-planned and deliberate attack. But we were able to foil it because the men followed standard operating procedures."

Two BSF jawans were killed and four injured in the incident that left an estimated 10 Maoists dead. Officials were, however, only able to recover one body of an ultra commandant. Officials said the commandant had a star insignia on his cap and shoulder and was wearing a black uniform. .....

Sources said that around 12.30 pm on Sunday, two military companies of Naxals attacked the 163rd BSF battalion -- that was stationed at Koylibeda — near Sulangi village in Kanker district. The Naxals opened fire and BSF jawans retaliated, bringing down an estimated 10-15 ultras. They claimed the ultras dragged away the bodies during the gunfire.

BSF sources said there were a large number of female cadres involved in the attack. The Naxals had also planted IEDs hoping that the jawans would take protection in the foliage when the attack began. The BSF jawans, however, did not flee for cover and as a result none of the IEDs went off, controlling the number of fatalities. IEDs were also planted en route to where reinforcements could be expected from.

About 13 IEDs were recovered as were Chinese hand grenades, spools of wire, detonators, arms and ammunition. Sources said there was a third military company waiting 5 km away from the attack site.

NICE. God Speed BSF!


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