Military Flight Safety

Mort Walker · Post by **Mort Walker** » 16 Jul 2013 09:02

^^^Yes, 500+ LCA are needed desperately. It's better than losing pilots. All the Mig-21s should be quickly phased out.

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Jul 2013 10:01

Hopefully maneuvers/tactics learnt on Mig21 are retained for its effectiveness, if not improvised/adopted as per features of LCA.

member_23675 · Post by **member_23675** » 16 Jul 2013 12:59

Being a newbie, I'd like to contribute my 2 cents wth all humility... This Mig-21 crash seems a little different from all the recent Mig-21 crashes as most crashes happened while taking off (the previous crash at the same AFB) or pulling out of a dive or while executing tight maneuvers at low level. This crash during landing may 've many causes ranging from bird hit to an emergency-landing-went-awry, but certainly circumstances seem different than most of the recent bison crashes.

On a different note...a crash while landing has a "multiplier" shock effect as it happens in front of the squadron mates and the ground crew...it does take a lot of courage to put that behind and resume "routine" flying schedule by the squadron...Salute to these gallant air warriors!

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 17 Jul 2013 18:59

Someone on BR had posted a bloglink where they were tracking IAF Accidents for the past couple of years. can anyone point me to that? Need to cross check my lists.

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 17 Jul 2013 20:21

Jagan wrote:Someone on BR had posted a bloglink where they were tracking IAF Accidents for the past couple of years. can anyone point me to that? Need to cross check my lists.

i remember posting it long back. it was an east european guy (polish, i guess) who maintained that site. unfortunately i am unable to locate among my posts. will give it a try and hopefully find for you.

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 17 Jul 2013 22:39

Jagan wrote:Someone on BR had posted a bloglink where they were tracking IAF Accidents for the past couple of years. can anyone point me to that? Need to cross check my lists.

pragnya wrote:
Jagan wrote:Someone on BR had posted a bloglink where they were tracking IAF Accidents for the past couple of years. can anyone point me to that? Need to cross check my lists.

i remember posting it long back. it was an east european guy (polish, i guess) who maintained that site. unfortunately i am unable to locate among my posts. will give it a try and hopefully find for you.

sorry jagan sir. i pointed wrongly in my above post. it was wrt the SU 30MKI inducted in IAF.

the site maintaining crashes is http://www.ejection-history.org.uk/Airc ... _india.htm but it acknowledges your own contribution to the site. hence this may not be the one you are looking for.

this may need registration. there are links to year wise crashes. i have not read those.

apologies.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 21 Jul 2013 03:58

Pragnya, I was not looking for the ejectionhistory site (Which i know) but another site - I remember it is a desi mil blogger - I thought it was aame.in but I could not find anything there.... thanks for links though..

pragnya · Post by **pragnya** » 21 Jul 2013 09:03

Jagan wrote:Pragnya, I was not looking for the ejectionhistory site (Which i know) but another site - I remember it is a desi mil blogger - I thought it was aame.in but I could not find anything there.... thanks for links though..

check this.

Jagan · Post by **Jagan** » 22 Jul 2013 03:35

Thanks Pragnya..

But I found the links I was looking for it was Pratik Sawardekar

http://blogs.defenceaviation.com/aoa/in ... -2011.html

http://angle-of-attack.blogspot.com/201 ... -2010.html (This has a re-direct enabled on the page - so one has to hit STOP )

wig · Post by **wig** » 08 Nov 2013 12:17

MiG-29 crashes in Gujarat, pilot ejects safely

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/mig-2 ... herstories

Eric Leiderman · Post by **Eric Leiderman** » 05 Jan 2014 04:10

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/mig-2 ... 131108.htm

Mig 29 crash no loss of life.
This is old news however:-
How are we taking care of this attrition plans to supplement the crashed aircraft?

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 16 Jan 2014 16:15

Just saw this tweet of Shiv & went over to read the entire story.
Wow! Heartbreaking stuff, how much of that is true¿ Pretty much all of it I guess?

@ShivAroor: Here's how this Govt treats an IAF pilot who stayed long enough in his doomed MiG-21 to save a village on ground. | http://t.co/u6gCXnt0cX

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 16 Jan 2014 20:32

It is mostly true unfortunately. But I dont think it is too government dependent. Its our system and complete bureaucrtaic apathy and sometimes even intense dislike for the forces. There is a pilot in the Parapalegic Centre in Pune who had a similar story. He gets zero support form the govt. But this govt is certainly the worst of the worse.

Col Jyoti the Director of the Centre does all he can but finds it very difficult to raise funds. He is getting on a bit too. They are doing a fantastic job. They were kind enough to honour me with an invitation to be the Chief Guest at Republic Day Celebration a few years ago. Crisp slautes, Flag hoisting, basketball all in wheel chairs and I can assure you they played like men possessed. Very very uplifting and also saddening that there is virtually no govt help.

If some of you can visit and help please do. This is the only institution of its kind in India and is bursting at the seams.

joygoswami · Post by **joygoswami** » 22 Jan 2014 21:48

IAF Jaguar crashes while landing in Rajasthan.

Both pilots are safe thankfully.

LINK

sattili · Post by **sattili** » 22 Jan 2014 22:32

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Col Jyoti the Director of the Centre does all he can but finds it very difficult to raise funds. He is getting on a bit too. They are doing a fantastic job. They were kind enough to honour me with an invitation to be the Chief Guest at Republic Day Celebration a few years ago. Crisp slautes, Flag hoisting, basketball all in wheel chairs and I can assure you they played like men possessed. Very very uplifting and also saddening that there is virtually no govt help.

If some of you can visit and help please do. This is the only institution of its kind in India and is bursting at the seams.

Its heartening to know efforts made by this center. I think we should get the news about such organizations spread widely. Do let me know in what ways an individual like me could help this organization, whom I can contact for more information etc.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 22 Jan 2014 23:23

joygoswami wrote:IAF Jaguar crashes while landing in Rajasthan. Both pilots are safe thankfully.

LINK

Has there been any other information on whether this was one of the recently acquired ones or older ones?

Shrinivasan · Post by **Shrinivasan** » 23 Jan 2014 00:35

joygoswami wrote:IAF Jaguar crashes while landing in Rajasthan. Both pilots are safe thankfully.

LINK

thank fully both pilots were able to bail-out and are safe.

Mukesh.Kumar · Post by **Mukesh.Kumar** » 22 Feb 2014 02:16

x post from LCH and other Helicopters Discussion Thread-

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:2nd Dhruv crashes in Ecuador.

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 25 Feb 2014 09:54

2 near-misses by IAF jets in one day
The writer has posted comments on this articleTNN | Feb 25, 2014, 02.36 AM IST
from Times of India

NEW DELHI: An IAF fighter being scrambled to intercept an unidentified flying object (UFO) coming from Pakistan and breaching its assigned flying level, and another military aircraft trying to land on a closed runway, both on the same day, had civilian aviation authorities screaming "near-misses" earlier this month.

In the more serious incident on February 20, a Sukhoi-30MKI fighter apparently breached its assigned flying level to come dangerously close to two passenger aircraft but still could not be contacted by the ATC to correct its course. Fortunately, a tragedy was averted with the passenger aircraft successfully staying clear of the Sukhoi.

"The civilian air traffic control had assigned this aircraft flying level of 22,000 feet. The aircraft instead went way higher and went to 35,600 feet. This level and the adjoining level was assigned to two international airliners, one of Thai, other KAR Airways," said a highly-placed aviation official.

IAF, however, said the Sukhoi had been scrambled to intercept a UFO which was detected moving towards the international border with Pakistan near Amritsar. "The UFO later turned out to be a weather balloon adrift. There was no near-miss," said an IAF officer.

But civilian authorities maintained that the Sukhoi, while wrongly ascending in the Amritsar airspace, breached the minimum vertical safety level with the two civilian aircraft which, between them were carrying over 500 passengers. Instead of the minimum 1,000-feet separation, the Sukhoi was just 700 feet away from the planes while wrongly zooming up the stratosphere.

During these hair-raising moments, the ATC frantically tried to contact the Sukhoi but could not establish contact with the pilot. But the scarier bit came when the plane landed in Ambala. "We were told that the defence authorities asked the pilot as to what happened and why did he deviate from his assigned level. And the pilot reportedly told the authorities that his aircraft's altitude measuring machine (altimeter) was not working," said the official.

The other incident took place when an IAF AN-32 transport aircraft came close to wrecking havoc on other aircraft in the vicinity by trying to land on a closed runway at the Delhi airport. Aviation officials said the AN-32 was supposed to land on runway 09 but instead tried to land on runway 10. "We detected the anomaly at the last moment and guided it to its designated runway. There seems to have been some fault at the pilot's end," the official said.

sattili · Post by **sattili** » 25 Feb 2014 10:45

Ajit.C wrote:NEW DELHI: An IAF fighter being scrambled to intercept an unidentified flying object (UFO) coming from Pakistan and breaching its assigned flying level, and another military aircraft trying to land on a closed runway, both on the same day, had civilian aviation authorities screaming "near-misses" earlier this month.

In the more serious incident on February 20, a Sukhoi-30MKI fighter apparently breached its assigned flying level to come dangerously close to two passenger aircraft but still could not be contacted by the ATC to correct its course. Fortunately, a tragedy was averted with the passenger aircraft successfully staying clear of the Sukhoi.

"The civilian air traffic control had assigned this aircraft flying level of 22,000 feet. The aircraft instead went way higher and went to 35,600 feet. This level and the adjoining level was assigned to two international airliners, one of Thai, other KAR Airways," said a highly-placed aviation official.

IAF, however, said the Sukhoi had been scrambled to intercept a UFO which was detected moving towards the international border with Pakistan near Amritsar. "The UFO later turned out to be a weather balloon adrift. There was no near-miss," said an IAF officer.

But civilian authorities maintained that the Sukhoi, while wrongly ascending in the Amritsar airspace, breached the minimum vertical safety level with the two civilian aircraft which, between them were carrying over 500 passengers. Instead of the minimum 1,000-feet separation, the Sukhoi was just 700 feet away from the planes while wrongly zooming up the stratosphere.

During these hair-raising moments, the ATC frantically tried to contact the Sukhoi but could not establish contact with the pilot. But the scarier bit came when the plane landed in Ambala. "We were told that the defence authorities asked the pilot as to what happened and why did he deviate from his assigned level. And the pilot reportedly told the authorities that his aircraft's altitude measuring machine (altimeter) was not working," said the official.

The other incident took place when an IAF AN-32 transport aircraft came close to wrecking havoc on other aircraft in the vicinity by trying to land on a closed runway at the Delhi airport. Aviation officials said the AN-32 was supposed to land on runway 09 but instead tried to land on runway 10. "We detected the anomaly at the last moment and guided it to its designated runway. There seems to have been some fault at the pilot's end," the official said.

Seriously??? a fighter scrambled to intercept an incoming bogey will respond to civilian ATC and will obey the altitude restrictions

The second highlighted sentence about Altimeter not working is even more hilarious, doesn't Sukhoi have Radio Altimeter as back up for pressure altimeters? Doesn't the ground controller who is vectoring this fighter cant see the altitude of both the bogey as well as our own fighter? multiple inconsistencies in the story, looks like some one is doing a hatchet job to malign IAF.

Even the AN-32 lining up on the wrong run way is not as big disaster as this news article tries to make it to be. Actually, Pilots may have been told they are lined up on wrong runway and they would initiated a go around and lined up to the correct runway heading.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 28 Mar 2014 11:30

C-130J crashes in Gwalior.: NDTV

Javee · Post by **Javee** » 28 Mar 2014 11:33

Gwalior: An Indian Air Force aircraft, one of six bought from the US two years ago, has crashed near Gwalior in Madhya Pradesh.

The C-130 J plane, also known as super Hercules, crashed a short while ago.

The multi-role special operations aircraft, had reportedly been used during the recent search for the missing Malaysian airliner MH 370. It was also used in relief operations after the Uttarakhand floods and for a recent landing at Daulat Beg Oldie near the border with China.

anand_sankar · Post by **anand_sankar** » 28 Mar 2014 11:37

Multiple sources confirming C-130J down on Twitter.

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 28 Mar 2014 11:40

Garud commando were on the board.

Javee · Post by **Javee** » 28 Mar 2014 11:45

This is weird, Chindu say it's a helicopter crash,

NEWS FLASH: Helicopter crashes on Madhya Pradesh-Rajasthan border

member_28397 · Post by **member_28397** » 28 Mar 2014 11:47

IAF's latest C-130J Super Hercules aircraft crashes near Gwalior: PTI

amdavadi · Post by **amdavadi** » 28 Mar 2014 11:50

It crash near RAJ-MP border

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2014 11:57

Indian Air Force C-130J Super Hercules Aircraft crashes

Now 5 left.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Mar 2014 12:24

wtf!?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Mar 2014 12:38

very rare crash of c130 - being 4 engined, I dont think it would be due to engine failure.

SanjayC · Post by **SanjayC** » 28 Mar 2014 12:45

Five crew members were on board.

sarang · Post by **sarang** » 28 Mar 2014 12:50

How is that possible. No this can not happen. The world best equipment from world best manufacturer can not crash. The devine plane with out of the world ding-dong and the best flying record can only crash with improper handling of poor and untrained SDREs.

JTull · Post by **JTull** » 28 Mar 2014 13:33

sarang wrote:How is that possible. No this can not happen. The world best equipment from world best manufacturer can not crash. The devine plane with out of the world ding-dong and the best flying record can only crash with improper handling of poor and untrained SDREs.

Oh, shut up!

Pay respects to the personnel who lost their lives.

rohanldsouza · Post by **rohanldsouza** » 28 Mar 2014 13:39

Another Loss of trained personnel that India can't afford.
My condolences to the families affected by the Loss of Loved Ones.

member_23891 · Post by **member_23891** » 28 Mar 2014 14:06

RIP to bravrhearts.

It is a tragic loss of vital asset and trained personnel.
Most likely cause seems some heroics stunt like xxx movie para dropping and radar evading low level flying exercize etc. We have to wait for the IAF court of inquiry.

saje · Post by **saje** » 28 Mar 2014 14:11

It will be very very interesting to hear what Lockheed has to say about this. Expect to hear the truth from them if not from the IAF.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 28 Mar 2014 14:13

Invaluable lives lost. Condolences to families and friends who lost their loved ones. And IAF lost a precious and expensive hardware.

Lets see what the COI findings are for this crash.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 28 Mar 2014 14:29

Sad -it it the same airframe that took part in MH 370 search

anishns · Post by **anishns** » 28 Mar 2014 14:44

Sad :-( RIP

Do military aircraft have CVRs & FDRs?

Ganesh_S · Post by **Ganesh_S** » 28 Mar 2014 14:50

Perhaps i am jumping the guns here, but looking at the rate of attrition Indian Military is going through, Sabotage cannot be ruled out. It's Understandable that neither GOI nor the Armed forces are likely to reveal this.