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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 19 Feb 2019 12:41

https://www.news18.com/news/india/iafs- ... 41065.html
NEWS18 » INDIA
2 IAF Surya Kiran Hawks Crash During Rehearsals For Aero India Expo in Bengaluru
ccording to initial reports, two pilots managed to eject from the planes, but it is still unclear how many were on board

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 19 Feb 2019 12:46

https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/t ... ject-96975

"The two pilots ejected and are being administered treatment. One of the pilots is seriously injured and is being administered care. Both pilots ejected on time. We will give more details soon," HAL sources said. The sources added civilian has also been hurt and the debris from the crash has landed near ISRO layout in Yelahanka New Layout.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Chinmay » 19 Feb 2019 12:55

Livefist reporting that one pilot is deceased while the other two are injured.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shaun » 19 Feb 2019 13:02

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Admin Note: Link will do, thanks

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Zynda » 19 Feb 2019 13:54

Seriously, painful photo to look at!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Pratyush » 19 Feb 2019 14:16

My heart sinks everytime this thread comes up.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 19 Feb 2019 14:22

Very tough times these past few days :(

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 19 Feb 2019 14:36

https://twitter.com/CestMoiz/status/109 ... 52802?s=19

Wg. Cdr Sahil Gandhi, kia. Huatma ko Bhagwaan sadgati dey.
Wg. Cdr Vijay Shelke & Sqn. Ldr. Tejeshwar Singh injured.
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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Khalsa » 19 Feb 2019 14:42

FFS
I am hating the beginning of 2019.

question why is there an odd number of pilots (3) in even number of aircraft (2).
was one of them carrying a passenger.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Kashi » 19 Feb 2019 14:44

The hits just keep on coming.

Om shanti.

P.S. I am sorry, I can't really understand what's happening in the picture posted above. Is it of the pilot ejecting?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 19 Feb 2019 14:46

^^ after ejection of the two pilots, looks like the damaged front section complete tore off

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Singha » 19 Feb 2019 14:52

livefist links to another twitterer who page has a few cellphone videos of the two a/c after collision spinning and fluttering down out of control. the bottom one crashes, the upper one both pilots eject. the one with broken nose is the bottom plane.

there were reported doing a move where one plane inverts and comes close to the bottom plane - quite std in aerobatic displays - i think they do a loop kind of thing with both planes close together.(in make believe world tom cruise also does that with the mig in top gun)

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sajaym » 19 Feb 2019 15:58

RIP to the deceased pilot and speedy recovery to the injured pilots.

We must accept that Military Aviation is a dangerous & unforgiving profession and that a fighter jet doesn't differentiate between a novice & an ace. We are grateful to have such men & women who continue to serve in such a profession regardless of the risks. May their tribe increase.

"...Rather we should thank God that such men lived." General George Patton Jr.

Some other thoughts:

1.Of late, a disturbing development in some recent crashes is that there seem to be lot of citizens running around with phone cameras photo/videographing the fallen warriors. It is time to punish such wannabe Barkha Dutts & Arunabh Goswamis by enacting a law that anyone photographing a fallen warrior may be tried for dishonouring the Armed Forces. Same law should be applied to the wannabe neurosurgeons who rush to the crash site and try to disturb the fallen warrior & cause more harm than good.

2.At this time we should take relief & confidence from the fact that in the recent past the IAF has conducted large scale operational exercises like Gagan Shakthi 2018 and Vayu Shakthi 2019 with zero safety incidents. So, we may bleed more in peace but we will definitely bleed less in war.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Zynda » 19 Feb 2019 16:53

Here is a slowed down video clip showing the clash incident before going down

https://twitter.com/i/status/1097791341533245440

Edit: Livefist had posted a video showing crash from a better perspective. Seems like it has been taken off now.

From initial observations, it seems like a pilot error. The bottom plane pulled up either too soon or the inverted plane did not.
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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby SaiK » 19 Feb 2019 17:32

No controls or even attempt to roll back.. lost power?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sajaym » 19 Feb 2019 18:46

SaiK wrote:No controls or even attempt to roll back.. lost power?


Pilot in the inverted plane is inverted, so already he's under G pressure + a massive hard knock from below, which means additional Gs in the opposite direction. He could've been black/red out-ed & incapacitated.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby SaiK » 19 Feb 2019 20:25

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1097801879734632448 ----> Terrible month. 5th IAF aircraft crash in just 20 days, with the loss of 3 pilots.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 19 Feb 2019 20:47

here is a gem from the SC.

Anyone using "6th gen aircrafts & jets"??



Utkarsh Anand @utkarsh_aanand Feb 17


"It was bound to crash": #SupremeCourt uses strong words to convey regret over death of two pilots in the recent Mirage plane crash in #Bengaluru. #CJI said when other countries are using 5th & 6th gen aircrafts & jets, #India is still using 3rd & 4th. "What else do you expect?"

10:21 PM - 17 Feb 2019

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Karan M » 19 Feb 2019 20:55

This is incredibly moving and comforting, our peoples respect and humanity surfaces at the most opportune of times. The pilot is recovering, but I would state its very heartening that a 22 year old kid understood what to do and did it in a dignified manner. The pilot, despite his pain and obvious injuries is also able to communicate clearly with the student to not do anything rash, such as move him.

https://twitter.com/JaskiratSB/status/1 ... 3490234368

The video is also available, but out of respect for the pilots privacy edited it.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Karan M » 19 Feb 2019 20:58

Haridas wrote:https://twitter.com/CestMoiz/status/1097778655080h652802?s=19

Wg. Cdr Sahil Gandhi, kia. Huatma ko Bhagwaan sadgati dey.
Wg. Cdr Vijay Shelke & Sqn. Ldr. Tejeshwar Singh injured.


My deepest condolences for the loss of Wing Cmdr Gandhi. This is horrible news. :cry:

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 19 Feb 2019 21:25

My sincere condolences for the loss of Wing Cdr Sahil Gandhi.

Aero India Crash: Pilot Leaves Behind a Loving Young Family
https://www.thequint.com/news/india/aer ... s.2KUhori6

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 19 Feb 2019 21:57

Rakesh wrote:My sincere condolences for the loss of Wing Cdr Sahil Gandhi.

Aero India Crash: Pilot Leaves Behind a Loving Young Family
https://www.thequint.com/news/india/aer ... s.2KUhori6


https://www.deccanherald.com/content/59 ... craft.html

Squadron leader Sahil Gandhi belongs to the ‘Surya Kiran’ aerobatics team. The team presently uses the Hawk MK 132 aircraft and Sahil says that this aircraft is a faster one when compared to the previous aircraft that was operated by the team. “This aircraft is electronically intrinsic in nature. This not only makes maintaining it a challenge but also more susceptible to failure,” explains Sahil. He says that they have a maintenance team of 60 people headed by a technical officer who officer who maintain the aircraft on a day-to-day basis.



What does that bolded text mentioned by Wing Cdr Sahil Gandhi mean?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Zynda » 19 Feb 2019 22:09

The video showing a better perspective of the incident is back up on Livefist:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1097855137991872513

Around 0:13 is when the clash occurs.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 19 Feb 2019 22:39

RIP Brave brother. :(

A miserable start to 2019 for India. May God provide all the families the strength to deal with this.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Sid » 19 Feb 2019 22:47

RIP Wing Cdr Sahil Gandhi, sincere condolences..

god I hate this thread.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby SaiK » 19 Feb 2019 22:49

sajaym wrote:
SaiK wrote:No controls or even attempt to roll back.. lost power?


Pilot in the inverted plane is inverted, so already he's under G pressure + a massive hard knock from below, which means additional Gs in the opposite direction. He could've been black/red out-ed & incapacitated.

The collision this morning at 11.50am.#SuryaKiranCrash https://t.co/UgK6nJR9ev

No knock from below

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 19 Feb 2019 23:08

Mod's please delete if inappropriate. The SuryaKiran team with a young fan. No. 7 is signed Wing Co. Sahil. :(

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Mort Walker » 20 Feb 2019 07:15

Very sad.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 08:55

While we read about pilots passing away in news articles and on social media, here is a first person account.

Truly heart wrenching. Click on link below and read the entire thread.

https://twitter.com/Joshi_Aar/status/10 ... 3011940352 ---> When I hear of a plane crash or pilots bailing out, my mind races back to that day in Dec 1999. This is a slightly long, emotional post, so please bear with me. I write this because I can’t even imagine what Wing Commander Sahil Gandhi’s family must be going through right now.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 08:56

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 5886984192 ---> Aero India...the show must go on!!!! The missing man formation.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 09:11

SURYA KIRAN CRASH AT AERO INDIA 2019 – SHOULD THE SHOW GO ON?
https://kaypius.com/2019/02/19/surya-ki ... how-go-on/

By KP Sanjeev Kumar

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 20 Feb 2019 09:19

https://twitter.com/KPP_JaiHind/status/ ... 0434086912 ---> Surya Kiran 2 aircraft crash

Wing Commander Sahil Gandhi - Fatal

Wing Commander Vijay Shelke - cut injury in chin. Blunt injury to limb. No fracture. Hemodynamically Stable.

Wing Commander Tejeshwar Singh - Fracture of femur and shaft in both legs.

Injured shifted to CHAF.

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In case anyone is wondering what Hemodynamically Stable means, here you go (courtesy of google)....

If a patient has stable hemodynamics, it means that the force at which the heart pumps blood is stable. Maintaining stable blood flow in the heart and vessels is important in supporting normal organ functions including the heart.

And below is what a shaft is. Any doctors on BRF can provide more details if anyone is interested.

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And I am assuming CHAF stands for Command Hospital Air Force.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Philip » 20 Feb 2019 14:32

According to media reports here in BLR, the aircraft around noon were performing the "mirror" move when the upside down Hawk on top lost alt. and collided with the lower aircraft.One reason being bandied about are thermals as it was very hot.It could also havd been a drop in engine thrust .Anyway the act was filmed and BB recovery shpuld quickly ascertain the reason.

Another v.trahic incident, our heartfelt condolences to the bereaved loved ones.It's almost too heart-wrenching to read the full family story, the pictures are bad enough.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 20 Feb 2019 14:56

Karan M wrote:This is incredibly moving and comforting, our peoples respect and humanity surfaces at the most opportune of times. The pilot is recovering, but I would state its very heartening that a 22 year old kid understood what to do and did it in a dignified manner. The pilot, despite his pain and obvious injuries is also able to communicate clearly with the student to not do anything rash, such as move him.

https://twitter.com/JaskiratSB/status/1 ... 3490234368

The video is also available, but out of respect for the pilots privacy edited it.


Very hard to watch and incredibly touching. And amazing the level of training. Despite a bad crash the pilot is not only cool and calm but he also tries to calm down onlookers who will probably be untrained spectators and do more harm than good in following their instincts to hastily lift him & rush him in some vehicle to a hospital.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 22 Feb 2019 00:19

Missing man formation was flown, today, led by Su-30MKI at Yelahanka as a tribute to Wg Cdr Sahil Gandhi, who was martyred during a rehearsal sortie on 19 Feb 19. Followed by a slow speed pass by #Rafale, as a salute to #Braveheart.
'You will be missed, blue skies to you always'

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Sid » 27 Feb 2019 11:17

IAF Mi-17 seems to have crashed near Budgam, 2 crew did not survive.

Videos being posted by local villagers..
https://twitter.com/BurhanSpeaks/status ... 6274675712

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Mar 2019 04:32

Hate to bring this thread up, but related to the post right above.

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/11 ... 3537388545 ---> Meanwhile, a moment for the 6 IAF men killed in the Mi-17 chopper crash yesterday in Budgam. Forgotten in the noise over F-16s and Bisons today. Thoughts with their families. RIP.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 08 Mar 2019 15:40

Breaking - A MiG fighter plane crashed at Shobhasar village near Bikaner. Pilot ejected safely.

Reports that it was a MiG 21 Bison

Impacted in open area so no casualties on ground too.

Photo from Shiv Aroor on twitter

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2019 17:14

IAF’s MiG-21 crashes after bird hit in Rajasthan’s Bikaner, pilot ejects

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... P_amp.html

could be Engine Flame out post bird hit

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2019 22:55

video #IndianAirForce jet Mig-21 which crashed near #Bikaner district of #Rajasthan.

https://twitter.com/bhattburhan02/statu ... 4998943745


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