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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby nachiket » 06 Apr 2020 23:37

FL is not the same as ft. FL250 is 25000 ft as measured by a altimeter calibrated to standard atm pressure (1013.25 hPa) at sea level. In this case if the engine caught fire seconds after takeoff that would have happened at 250 ft not FL250. The report is correct.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 30 Apr 2020 22:33

https://twitter.com/Defence_XP/status/1 ... 59841?s=20 ---> IAF Dornier Do-228 aircraft during take off at Palam airport experienced a tyre deflation. The captain of the aircraft took prompt and correct actions of aborting the take off. Crew on board are safe. Some damage to aircraft, towed off runway.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Prithwiraj » 08 May 2020 12:29

A fighter has crashed in Punjab... breaking news

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 12:30

Mig 29 crash pilot safe initial report

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 08 May 2020 12:34

https://www.businesstoday.in/current/co ... 03194.html
An Indian Air Force fighter aircraft has crashed in Punjab. More details awaited.

The crash happened in Nawanshahr in Punjab. The pilot had a narrow escape. The probe on find out the exact cause of the crash.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 08 May 2020 14:27

Relieved to hear that the pilot ejected safely!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shubham » 08 May 2020 17:59

Yesterday morning one Mi-17 V5 made a forced landing in North Sikkim due to some technical issue. All crew safe.

https://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/news/india/mi-17-helicopter-of-iaf-makes-force-landing-in-sikkim-all-personnel-safe/articleshow/75596499.cms

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby fanne » 08 May 2020 18:09

Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IAF. Last few days slew of bad news all around - 4/5 gas leaks, mi 17 (which is also one of the safest helicopter), mig 29, railway disaster, before that Halwara encounter....

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby dinesh_kimar » 08 May 2020 20:14

fanne wrote:Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IA..


A look at BRFs Aircraft archives does suggest that Mig 29 seems safe.

Mig 29: (18 crashes of 70 inducted)

Jaguar: (56 of 165 inducted)

Mirage: (12 of 60 inducted)

While crashes are a natural phenomenon in all Air Force's which flog men and equipment hard, the following observations are:

Mirage , though single engined, seems to have least attrition of 20%, and surprisingly Mig 29 is better than Jaguar, though both are twin engined.

So , while aero manufacturing/ engineering, make the sub systems more redundant and Mirage like, modular in nature, self diagnostic, and reliable as hell, have good technicians at hand for MRO, and good quality supply chain from reputed suppliers.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby fanne » 08 May 2020 21:26

I mig29 crashes did you include navy’s crashes? If yes then include Navy’s numbers as well.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 08 May 2020 21:36

Thank goodness the pilot survived! Official tweet below from the Indian Air Force.

https://twitter.com/IAF_MCC/status/1258 ... 71680?s=20 ---> #ThankYouIndia: The IAF's MiG-29 Pilot who ejected today near Hoshiyarpur was given timely assistance and care by the local people of Rurkee Kalan, Nawanshahr, Punjab.

I cannot place twitter videos in here, so go to this link ---> https://twitter.com/search?q=MiG-29%20f ... ick&f=live

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 21:59

Crash rates of fighters

Mirage 2000- 0.4/10000hr

Mig 29 & Jaguar- 0.8 /10000hrs

Mig 29 flies 90hrs/year 4000hr life 45 year life

Mirage 2000/ Jaguar 150hrs/year 50 year life

Mig 29 -18 crashes of 80

Jaguar -55 crashes of 168

Mirage 2000 -11 crashes of 59

Mig 29 k could have same crash rate of Mig 29
4000 hours life
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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sankum » 08 May 2020 22:10

My est for Su30 mki is 0.25crash/10000hrs
150 hours / year 40 year life 6000hours

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby deejay » 10 May 2020 17:28

dinesh_kimar wrote:
fanne wrote:Mug 29 is one of the safest aircraft in IA..


A look at BRFs Aircraft archives does suggest that Mig 29 seems safe.

Mig 29: (18 crashes of 70 inducted)

Jaguar: (56 of 165 inducted)

Mirage: (12 of 60 inducted)

While crashes are a natural phenomenon in all Air Force's which flog men and equipment hard, the following observations are:

Mirage , though single engined, seems to have least attrition of 20%, and surprisingly Mig 29 is better than Jaguar, though both are twin engined.

So , while aero manufacturing/ engineering, make the sub systems more redundant and Mirage like, modular in nature, self diagnostic, and reliable as hell, have good technicians at hand for MRO, and good quality supply chain from reputed suppliers.


Jags quite often have low -low flight profile. Crashes would be higher for them.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 10 May 2020 19:44

Is there a breakup (Engine failure, Pilot error, Bird hit,.. ) available? That would give a clearer picture

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby basant » 08 Oct 2020 14:10

IAF chopper makes precautionary landing in UP

HAL Rudra?
An ALH Dhruv helicopter of the Indian Air Force on routine training sortie carried out a precautionary landing in the rural areas of Saharanpur district in Uttar Pradesh on Thursday.

People gathered in the area while the ALH Dhruv helicopter carried out the precautionary landing in Saharanpur.

The landing was carried out in an open field.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby RajaRudra » 08 Oct 2020 14:56

Good, Nothing bad happened to the men and the machine.

This threat coming in top, stops the heart beat.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby darshan » 08 Oct 2020 16:18

Two Indian Navy officers killed as glider crashes during training session in Kochi
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/two- ... chi-332373

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 10 Oct 2020 17:08

darshan wrote:Two Indian Navy officers killed as glider crashes during training session in Kochi
https://www.wionews.com/india-news/two- ... chi-332373


That's bad

Just a few days ago a naval officer on leave had lost his life in a parasailing accident on a Karnataka beach IIRC. He was with his wife and child at the time. He got caught in the harness and died due to his lungs filled with water and delay in ambulance services.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 11 Oct 2020 11:41

Did Dassault ever get to root cause for the FC that led to M2K upgrade crash?

The COI concluded erroneous signals from FC which was still Dassault OEM caused the crash.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 18 Nov 2020 21:04

From Air Marshal Anil Chopra (Retd)...

https://twitter.com/Chopsyturvey/status ... 51264?s=20 ---> Interesting Facts. In 80 years of the Indian Air Force, there were 144 occurrences of Friday, the 13th. The IAF had total 1,500 air accidents in 80 years. There were only four accidents on Friday the 13th (0.278%). 48 accidents on date, 13 out of 960 months (0.5%). Thursdays and Saturdays had highest accidents.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rupesh » 19 Nov 2020 01:31

My heart skips a beat when I see this thread active.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sum » 19 Nov 2020 06:25

Phew...me too!

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Re: Indian Naval Aviation

Postby tandav » 27 Nov 2020 10:08

Mig 29K trainer ditched at sea. One pilot recovered and search for other on going. 26 Nov 2020
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/mig-29k-trainer-aircraft-crashed-into-sea-on-thursday-one-pilot-found-search-on-for-the-other-2330816

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby LakshmanPST » 27 Nov 2020 10:10

https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1332163554959519744?s=19
A MiG-29K trainer aircraft operating at sea met with an accident at about 1700 hrs on 26 Nov 20. One pilot recovered and search by air and surface units in progress for the second pilot. An inquiry has been ordered to investigate the incident: Indian Navy


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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby schinnas » 27 Nov 2020 11:35

Praying that the missing pilot if found alive by rescuers or fishermen floating on some debris. Any learnings / usual suspects from past Mig29K crashes?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sudeepj » 27 Nov 2020 11:44

3 crashes out of a fleet of 40 odd in one year. grim.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 27 Nov 2020 12:05

"One pilot recovered and search by air and surface units in progress for the second pilot. An inquiry has been ordered to investigate the incident: Indian Navy"

By 'recovered' they mean recovered safe and sound( at least relatively anyway) Not recovered as in body recovered one hopes. The imprecision is very annoying.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Philip » 27 Nov 2020 18:02

Not a happy event,second trainer loss.Inquiry must find outthe cause.

Dhruvs can certainly operate from the helidecks.I can't remember the 2 designs for the ( Inshore) Shallow Water ASW corvettes ,but if there is a helideck as in the K-class corvettes,the Dhruvs could also operate from their decks. It appears that perfection for easy hangar ops is pending.Nevertheless,the fact that 30+ have been ordered is a v.good reflection of the confidence of the IN and CG in the helos capabilities. With this order,another push for sale/ lease of these Dhruvs could be made in the export market.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby sum » 27 Nov 2020 18:51

sudeepj wrote:3 crashes out of a fleet of 40 odd in one year. grim.

:eek: :eek:

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Vivek K » 27 Nov 2020 19:39

Prayers for the missing pilot!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 28 Nov 2020 06:45

LakshmanPST wrote:https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1332163554959519744?s=19
A MiG-29K trainer aircraft operating at sea met with an accident at about 1700 hrs on 26 Nov 20. One pilot recovered and search by air and surface units in progress for the second pilot. An inquiry has been ordered to investigate the incident: Indian Navy

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/13 ... 56928?s=20 ---> The young navy pilot missing for the last 20 hours after yesterday’s MiG-29K crash is Lt Cdr Nishant Singh. Search operations still on. Prayers with the family, search crews & squadron. Will be leading my 5 pm show today on the search for Nishant.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 28 Nov 2020 06:48

As per Vishnu Som, both pilots ejected...

https://twitter.com/winfoxush/status/13 ... 13888?s=20 ---> Search operations for the missing Indian Navy MiG-29K pilot continue. Its confirmed that both pilots did eject. Not known if the emergency locator beacon of the missing pilot activated or is pinging. The rescued pilot's condition is OK. Thats all we have so far.

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Lt Cdr Nishant Singh is the same pilot who wrote this letter in May 2020, which went viral online...

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Below is reply by the CO of No 300 White Tigers Squadron

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 28 Nov 2020 14:40

Rakesh wrote:
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Lt Cdr Nishant Singh is the same pilot who wrote this letter in May 2020, which went viral online...



:(

Hoping for a miracle now

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby AdityaM » 30 Nov 2020 01:38

Unable to trace the pilot and earlier 2016 Avro loss with no trace; does this signify a hole in our SAR capabilities?

If one pilot was found, then how far away can the other ejected pilot travel from the crash location?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Cyrano » 30 Nov 2020 15:43

I was hoping the same, that the second pilot would be within a few kms of the first. But as time passes, ocean currents can displace a floating mass quite a distance in a day. Its been several days now :(

Do Navy pilots carry a radio locator beacon on them for getting located in such ejection on sea situations?


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