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krishna_j wrote:
in fact the world wide fraternity of test pilots acts with a uniform code viz in times of catastrophic distress and imminent loss of control of the prototype , machine preservation and public safety gain precedence over saving own lives

The Saras team no doubt imbibed the same code - though I wish there was a Happier ending.
Dunno why but a Saras crash causes more heartache than an LCA one.

This uniform code is a tad expensive,if I may say so.One can melt the wreckage,pour them into moulds and regain a prototype.
With pilots,the melting is usually followed by river immersion or burial-they don't come back.
The uniform code was also followed in an 'experimental' combat proved aircraft,the MiG-21.
After 20 long years,we eventually discarded both the code and the aircraft.
The men live to tell "flying coffin" stories to their children in which porkis were terrified and not us.

Let's hope and pray that these happy stories circulate rather than grief.
the pilots have to be eulogised for steering the Saras prototype away from the densely populated areas and petrol pumps and hence needing two sorties to identify an open area - the delay was probably fatal
Maybe GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats can help here in the future.
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Please pass my condolences to the family. They have made their family and nation proud, taking risks and daring to go where few of us only dream ...

Also thanks for posting the photos. It is heart breaking, but it brings the sorrow home. Really sad.
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skher wrote:
the pilots have to be eulogised for steering the Saras prototype away from the densely populated areas and petrol pumps and hence needing two sorties to identify an open area - the delay was probably fatal
Maybe GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats can help here in the future.
Given that the pilots crashed their stricken aircraft into a clearing rather than a house, could you please explain how "GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats" could help in future? Do you mean that when the plane is about to crash, the pilots can quickly consult their GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats and figure out where to crash so that we can then eulogise the well equipped and technically adept dead people?

Exactly what are you trying to say? Would I be asking too much if I asked you to explain yourself?
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Kapil wrote:I cant get over this.

I read this in the papers today and time stood still.

I knew Praveen and Dipesh.
Both full of life,their humour masking their brilliance.

I first met Praveen when he was assigned to the Saras team more than one and a half year back.He started out in Hunters,was involved in the Mig27 upgrade and the MKI projects.He could explain the most difficult concepts with a flair that made me wish he ended up as an instructor.
I met him and S/L Ilayraja at the show this time.They had come to the BR Stall along with Soggy Krishna.
The pic shows Ilayraja,Soggy,Praveen and W/C Jaswal.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/Aer ... 6.jpg.html

I had met Dipesh at someone's farewell last year.I was thrilled at finding Gujju test pilot from Mumbai.The banter continued for a long time.Common friends were discovered.Favourite planes were discussed.He had just been posted to the Saras team.He hadn't started flying yet,but was looking forward to it as she looked very good.
We had planned on catching up when he would come to Mumbai.

Sadly,Winco Dhaliwal of the Suryakirans was also at that party with Dipesh.Dhali died in Jan.A brilliant instructor,gallantry award winner in Kargil for night bombing.He wasnt a talker,but you always listened when he said something.He was a passionate quizzer and could MC a party with infinite guests with a non-chalance that had to be seen to be believed.

We have lost 4 good men already this year.4 men who saved other lives in the process.The consolation is that they died doing what they loved the most.

I only wish that the media highlights such stories.We are still full of stories about foreign stuff.The Saras crash shows that we are doing cutting edge stuff in our own country.The people who lose their lives in the process are no less than the IPL cricketers,Bollywood stars etc.
Sorry guys,can't talk anymore.
I will put up pics of Dhali and Dipesh when I can.
Very sad to hear all this. May their families have strength to withstand this tragedy.
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So, they were all serving pilots?

I thought NAL employed ex-IAF to do the flight testing given that Saras is a civilian plane?
They were from ASTE, not Ex-IAF

OT: Uploaded two pics of the Saras PT-II
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/media/Aer ... uldevnath/
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Many residents echoed the same view saying: “The pilots saved many lives by guiding the faulty aircraft to an open field, but when they (pilots) were burnt alive, right in front of our eyes. We were forced to stand and watch helplessly.”
I came across a court of inquiry report into a Chetak crash which claimed the lives of its pilots. Listened to the recording of the pilot talking to ATC about current situation. Till last moment he was continuously yelling out status of the aircraft and reason of failure (in this case the mixing unit). Panic was notable in the voice, but that did not hamper him from clearly speaking out the status even as the aircraft dropped out of the sky.

I cannot even imagine the sight of the groud rushing toward you in 3-4 seconds forget saying something legible.

Ever wondered what kind of training, what kind of process has gine into making these pilots?

In cynical aaj junta of this country, I wonder how many % know what kind of pilots our air force prepares. And how uncommon it is to prepare professionals of a high order. And how unbelievable it is that the same professionals can also exist in a country where few people do what they are supposed to be doing.

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shiv wrote:
Given that the pilots crashed their stricken aircraft into a clearing rather than a house, could you please explain how "GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats" could help in future? Do you mean that when the plane is about to crash, the pilots can quickly consult their GPS,SATHIs and Cartosats and figure out where to crash so that we can then eulogise the well equipped and technically adept dead people?

Exactly what are you trying to say? Would I be asking too much if I asked you to explain yourself?
First,I'm commending rather than questioning the men's courage under fire.
It takes the rarest of rare grit to do so considering others over one's own life.

When the plane is about to crash,perhaps GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs could help find the most nearby clearing(uninhabited of course) faster-maybe even instantaneously.

That's all I was suggesting.

If we have a real-time sub-meter resolution capability over the subcontinent- one of its first critical applications could be in flight safety.
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Wg Cdr Praveen cremated with full honours

Did not find the right thread to post.....
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skher wrote:
First,I'm commending rather than questioning the men's courage under fire.
It takes the rarest of rare grit to do so considering others over one's own life.

When the plane is about to crash,perhaps GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs could help find the most nearby clearing(uninhabited of course) faster-maybe even instantaneously.

That's all I was suggesting.

If we have a real-time sub-meter resolution capability over the subcontinent- one of its first critical applications could be in flight safety.
Not doubting your intention, but questioning your logic.

May I ask if you have actually spoken to any aviators to ask them if this is what they would urgently want when faced with a dire emergency? I put it to you that I suspect you have not done that and that your are misrepresenting the situation that a pilot finds himself in when there is a dire in-flight emergency.

Even if you put yourself in a plane and are faced with an emergency - the last thing you want to do is to ask "Where can I crash this plane? Let me consult my GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs which wil tell me instantly where I can do that""

The first and foremost thing is to keep the plane flying if at all possible.

If the thing refuses to fly and has decided to come down, it may or may not be possible to actually steer the plane towards a convenient location. The stricken aircraft may not have the energy or control or altitude to be steered. Obviously if that much leeway is available the possibility of "steering" to a convenient belly landing or crash landing site may be contemplated. But if those conditions are not present and the plane is going down - but still gliding - the maximum that can be done is to try and find a clearing directly ahead (or wherever the plane is heading) and hope the plane has the energy and altitude to reach such a clearing.

In the worst emergency none of these may be possible - the plane may be going down uncontrollably. Real heroism is the ability to use whatever little control that remains to suicidally crash into any visible clearing rather than into populated areas. This is what seems to have occurred in the case of the Saras.

While I do not question the utility of GPS, Cartosats and SATHIs, their utility to find a clearing in an emergency when the plane is likely to remain in the air literally for seconds is severely limited. Pilot workload is heavy even in a normal landing approach. In an emergency the pilot is overloaded with work. Getting the equipment to tell you where a clearing is may sound great in theory - but in practice in an emergency there may be no time to even use instantaneously available information.

Another thing that is often missed is that for every crash that we hear about we miss out and never hear about 20 other instances in which an accident was possible, but was avoided by some factor.

A complete database of all emergencies and what action/equipment avoided the emergency needs to be collated and analysed along with the data about all crashes and what could have prevented/caused the crash to arrive at the optimum action, or equipment or training that is most useful and contributes the most to flight safety.

I put it to you that while GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs would certainly feature high up in the list of standard safety equipment, they would feature very low down in the list of things that are useful in a dire emergency when a plane is within seconds of a disaster.
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RIP to the crew.

Fwiw, condolences to their families ... and to all who knew them and considered them friends.
Aditya G wrote: ...

I came across a court of inquiry report into a Chetak crash which claimed the lives of its pilots. Listened to the recording of the pilot talking to ATC about current situation. Till last moment he was continuously yelling out status of the aircraft and reason of failure (in this case the mixing unit). Panic was notable in the voice, but that did not hamper him from clearly speaking out the status even as the aircraft dropped out of the sky.

I cannot even imagine the sight of the groud rushing toward you in 3-4 seconds forget saying something legible.

Ever wondered what kind of training, what kind of process has gine into making these pilots?

In cynical aaj junta of this country, I wonder how many % know what kind of pilots our air force prepares. And how uncommon it is to prepare professionals of a high order. And how unbelievable it is that the same professionals can also exist in a country where few people do what they are supposed to be doing.

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There is a lot in this. I knew the officer who headed the CoI into a bad Avro crash, some years ago, in which the entire crew, and the passengers (an Air Force band, returning after playing at a ceremonial event) were wiped out. For reasons having to do with an undetected fire in one engine, the aircraft went into a spin right from its cruising altitude, so everyone on board knew for quite some time that they were crashing. The co-pilot was a woman officer, from one of the first few batches; and the officer said that her voice on the CVR, till the last moment, was a stand-out example of the kind of discipline Aditya describes ... paraphrasing Tom Wolfe in The Right Stuff: "We've tried A, this was the result ... We've tried B, this was the result ... We've tried C, any other suggestions?"

All very special people.

For the rest of us, if you want to help, one thing you can do is keep an eye open for garbage dumps, abbatoirs and similar things that attract birds, in the vicinity of airfields; and do everything you can to make sure they are closed. Many years ago, I was witness to an Air Force Wives Welfare Association movement to clean up garbage dumps, in the vicinity of a small Air Force station, and I can promise you that after some initially disheartening responses, the local authorities did finally respond.

RIP again, to all those special people ... :(
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Saras Black Box recovered

Bangalore : A four-member DGCA team on Saturday visited the crash site, and reportedly recovered the black box from the aircraft, which could hold crucial data.

The team will visit the site again on Sunday and try to recover more equipment such as the voice recorder. Debris will also be cleared.

According to defence officials, data were received at different centres of Saras PT2 just before it crashed.

The telemetry at Aircraft Systems Testing Establishment of the IAF has reportedly received substantial data, but that has been sealed by the DGCA, which will follow its own procedure to decode the information.

NAL wants the telemetry at its possession soon. The ATC at HAL too has received many data minutes before the crash, some of which indicated that pilots did not communicate after 3.40 pm.


The DGCA has almost completed its preliminary inquiry based on which it will file a FIR. Following this, a committee to analyse the data and hold further investigation will be set up.
This also answers my question about Indian equivalent of NTSB, which is DGCA (should've know this). Here is the entry for VT-XRM in DGCA database. And finally, a report on PT-2's features from CSIR News.

SaiK, the investigations are still on, no reason to speculate about "remedies" when you yourself have no clue of the real reason of crash.
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shiv wrote:
A complete database of all emergencies and what action/equipment avoided the emergency needs to be collated and analysed along with the data about all crashes and what could have prevented/caused the crash to arrive at the optimum action, or equipment or training that is most useful and contributes the most to flight safety.
Alas,that database approach is stuck because the Satyam fiasco.

Hopefully,NDMA will evolve such a networked system with all necessary equipment (earth movers & aircraft included) and a National corps of specialist paramedics,anesthetists and nurses is raised.
I put it to you that while GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs would certainly feature high up in the list of standard safety equipment, they would feature very low down in the list of things that are useful in a dire emergency when a plane is within seconds of a disaster.
I have not had the opportunity to interact with aviators so I cannot speculate what may not be useful in the entire gamut of dire emergencies.

Doc saab,as a family man,I would be appalled if I was told (as often is the case) my near ones died for want of equipment,infrastructure and tools which might have saved them.If possible,every officer would want R&R level of care for everyone of his 800 men.

Today computing power is in nanoseconds and is cheaply available in the world's software superpower.
Hence the day is close when the world would thank the software and microchips behind "GPS,Cartosats and SATHIs" that averted a disaster from happening.
JaiS wrote:
This also answers my question about Indian equivalent of NTSB, which is DGCA (should've know this). Here is the entry for VT-XRM in DGCA database. And finally, a report on PT-2's features from CSIR News.

SaiK, the investigations are still on, no reason to speculate about "remedies" when you yourself have no clue of the real reason of crash.
The USAAF Accident Investigation Branch would also have joined the investigation.

Ideally, members from ASTE and NAL should also have been part of the DGCA team.
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shiv wrote:

A complete database of all emergencies and what action/equipment avoided the emergency needs to be collated and analysed along with the data about all crashes and what could have prevented/caused the crash to arrive at the optimum action, or equipment or training that is most useful and contributes the most to flight safety.


Alas,that database approach is stuck because the Satyam fiasco.
A database exists - the IAF maintains one, for all accidents since the 1950s. There is an Institute of Flight Safety within the IAF for a reason. The IAF will also be involved in the accident investigation. It has the competant resources. There is no need to invite all and sundry including the USAAF into this.

Second, just as its premature to speculate on the reasons of the crash, it is also premature to speculate that "the crew flew the aircraft away from populated areas" - these are obligatory news reports that come out after every crash . I would say lets wait for the official report to come out. Obviously if there is heroism involved , the IAF will recoginise the fact, so lets leave it to them to decide.
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HariC wrote: The IAF will also be involved in the accident investigation. It has the competent resources. There is no need to invite all and sundry including the USAAF into this.
Sorry,my bad.I wanted to write that if a similar accident had taken place in USA then Air Force personnel would also be involved in the investigation along with NTSB & wanted to say the same courtesy should be extended to ASTE & NAL here.

Didn't want to suggest any need to involve Yamri-khans. Pratt & Whitney though could be curious to know about their engine.

Good to know that IAF ASTE's already in the loop.What abt NAL?
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skher wrote:
HariC wrote: The IAF will also be involved in the accident investigation. It has the competent resources. There is no need to invite all and sundry including the USAAF into this.
Sorry,my bad.I wanted to write that if a similar accident had taken place in USA then Air Force personnel would also be involved in the investigation along with NTSB & wanted to say the same courtesy should be extended to ASTE & NAL here.

Didn't want to suggest any need to involve Yamri-khans. Pratt & Whitney though could be curious to know about their engine.

Good to know that IAF ASTE's already in the loop.What abt NAL?


Guys,
Rest assured that every agency involved has already set up its own inquiry and will also be talking to each other.

NAL, ASTE, DGCA, HAL and who ever else involved would have started their own departmental investigations as mandated by their own organizational regulations.
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^Confirm the above,
There was a condolence meeting at NAL at 4 pm today. Request to stop speculation.
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HariC wrote:

Alas,that database approach is stuck because the Satyam fiasco.
A database exists - the IAF maintains one, for all accidents since the 1950s. There is an Institute of Flight Safety within the IAF for a reason. The IAF will also be involved in the accident investigation. It has the competant resources. There is no need to invite all and sundry including the USAAF into this.

Second, just as its premature to speculate on the reasons of the crash, it is also premature to speculate that "the crew flew the aircraft away from populated areas" - these are obligatory news reports that come out after every crash . I would say lets wait for the official report to come out. Obviously if there is heroism involved , the IAF will recoginise the fact, so lets leave it to them to decide.

As for HAL - please check the first post of this thread. :)
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The complex world of test pilot

BANGALORE: When Wing Commander K Praveen, Wing Commander Dipesh Shah and Squadron Leader Illayaraja set out for the 49 flight of Saras prototype (PT2) on Friday, they were well aware of the difficulties a test pilot faces while conducting sortie-operations.

The Bangalore-based Aircraft Systems and Training Establishment (ASTE) to which the two test pilots and the flight engineer belonged is no ordinary unit of the Indian Air Force (IAF).

This crucial establishment is the one where aircrafts and systems are evaluated before their induction into the user organisations.

Most new aircraft and major airborne systems must have ASTE's stamp of approval to be considered fit for service in India.
Former test pilots, who were attached to the ASTE, and a few who were colleagues of the deceased crew members shared their experience on the challenges of testing aircraft. Wing commander (Retd) Rajiv Kothiyal, who was the first man to fly the technology demonstrator (TD-1) of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), said that the test pilots were the ones who flew the aircraft which were not fully tested.

"They are the ones who test and expand the envelope, decide how fast to go. When one pilots an unflown aircraft, the hazards are inherent." India's only cosmonaut Wing Commander (Retd) Rakesh Sharma said that the test pilots were selected and rigorously trained. He added that the deceased crew members on board Saras (PT- 2) were his former colleagues and were highly skilled.
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saras accident fingerpointing?

i think there is something fishy in this story about some "german expert" visiting NAL
and telling such and such should be improved, whatever is "recommended" is basic funda stuff that NAL would have already known.

its just strange that after designing a plane, flying it for 2 years, somebody calls in a "german expert" to come and tell them whats is fatally wrong with the aircraft?

looks like NAL internal politics beginning its finger pointing.

...On the aircraft’s rudder control, the specialist had even gone as far as stating: “On one of the quadrants in the empennage of the Saras, the cable guard limits the rotation of the quadrant. By rotating the quadrant, the cable will be stretched and it causes a load increase in the cable tension and may limit deflection angle of the control surface. In addition, this changes the kinematics. This should be investigated and corrected prior [to] next flight....”

do we need a "german expert" to tell the actual designers of the aircraft such basic information?

i don't think our test pilots would be put to risk if the engineers did not have 100% confidence in the plane.
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kobe wrote:saras accident fingerpointing?


...On the aircraft’s rudder control, the specialist had even gone as far as stating: “On one of the quadrants in the empennage of the Saras, the cable guard limits the rotation of the quadrant. By rotating the quadrant, the cable will be stretched and it causes a load increase in the cable tension and may limit deflection angle of the control surface. In addition, this changes the kinematics. This should be investigated and corrected prior [to] next flight....”
I have some information that suggests that the enquiry will be able to pinpoint the issues that caused the accident in a couple of weeks. The cause of the accident is not thought to have been what the German spoke of but we must wait for the final report - because it is precisely uninformed speculation that causes the most damage - adding to the loss of life.
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"In August 2005 when a Kamov-28 on a flight between Vizag and Goa crashed in the jungles of Belgaum killing five. " Is it the same K-28 where one of survivers went in search for help on foot and after some time remaining injured & dead, who were with K-28 were tracked down by marcos. What happened to that first surviver who was declaired missing?
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JaiS wrote:Saras Black Box recovered

Bangalore : A four-member DGCA team on Saturday visited the crash site, and reportedly recovered the black box from the aircraft, which could hold crucial data. .
As per the news from a few days ago the "black box" is so badly damaged that it cannot be analysed in India but will be taken to the UK which has better facilities for analysing damaged FDRs
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VijayV wrote:"In August 2005 when a Kamov-28 on a flight between Vizag and Goa crashed in the jungles of Belgaum killing five. " Is it the same K-28 where one of survivers went in search for help on foot and after some time remaining injured & dead, who were with K-28 were tracked down by marcos. What happened to that first surviver who was declaired missing?
I don't know about the incidence that you are talking about but the 2005 Kamov crash site was discovered by one of my friend (who is in IN and certainly not a MARCO) and he got commendation for that too. And the survivor was not part of the crew but was hitch hiking the chopper.

Cheers....
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Link
Saras: Experiment turns into accident
Kalyan Ray, New Delhi, DH News Service:


Minutes before it crashed, the ill-fated Saras aircraft was carrying out an experiment on how to save the plane in case it catches a fire mid-air.

On the afternoon of March 6, the task for the IAF pilots was to find out how the light transport aircraft–developed at the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), Bangalore–will behave if one of the engines suddenly caught a fire.

They simulated the experiment. Assuming one of the engines in the twin-engine plane is on flame, the Indian Air Force test pilots killed the other engine as a security precaution. That was the experiment drill.

Stopping the engine led to the plane’s free fall for some seconds. Those seconds are supposed to have been utilised by the pilots to address the fire problem before they again took control of the plane.

They switched on the engines to halt the free fall. The engines came back to life but some other yet-to-be identified technical failure cropped up leading to the dreadful crash,
sources told Deccan Herald.
The two black boxes have been sent to a UK-based company for analysis as Indian laboratories do not have facilities to analyse that kind of black boxes. The UK firm may take another few months to give its report.

Another reason for the deadly crash was Bangalore’s increasing population. The plane took off from the HAL airport and crashed near Bidadi, 26 km south from the heart of the city.

Sources said that the pilots tried their best to locate an isolated area for a safer landing to minimise damage to the people.

Unfortunately, they could not locate such a spot and lost precious time in the process. Those valuable minutes could have saved the pilots and the flight engineer’s lives.

In the wake of the crash, scientists are wondering if future tests of Saras or any other aircraft could be carried out towards relatively-less populated Jakkur side in the north of the city as flight testing is always a risky business.
The brave pilots gave up their lives to save the lives of civilians on the ground...RIP to them all.
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Air Force plane crash-lands in Jaisalmer
JAISALMER: A micro-light airplane of Indian Air Force reportedly crash-landed near village, Baildaron Ki Thani, in Jaisalmer district on Thursday
evening. The one-seater plane, which is used for surveillance at sensitive places, was 20-feet long. A technical fault led to the emergency landing. The pilot landed the plane in an isolated farm due to which no damage to property or human life has been reported. However, the plane has been damaged completely, said sources.

Confirming the information, SP (Jaisalmer) Vishnu Kant said, "No damage has been reported, but the plane was destroyed."

According to sources, the plane took off from the Indian Air Force base in Jaisalmer at about 5.30 pm. The incident occurred at about 7 pm when a technical snag forced the pilot, identified as wing commander Ajay Paul, to make an emergency landing.

However, no official confirmation was received from the Air Force officials, sources there said that if it has not been proper and timely emergency measures taken by the Paul, the situation could have been serious. The officials are trying to figure out the snag which led to the incident. The plane has been removed from the spot.
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No Marcos tracking :eek:

It was a little plane called the Rambha (by BRites) which found the wreckage.
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The one-seater plane, which is used for surveillance at sensitive places, was 20-feet long. A technical fault led to the emergency landing. The pilot landed the plane in an isolated farm due to which no damage to property or human life has been reported. However, the plane has been damaged completely, said sources.
IAF uses even micro lights as spy planes?
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IAF uses even micro lights as spy planes?
Not spy planes, but recce and Flight Safety duties.
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Correct - used by Base Flight Safety officer
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Correct - used by Base Flight Safety officer
Well not always used by the COO :roll:
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well the kids get a ride too every now and then :)
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..nothing like flying in a Streak shadow.. uh huh.. :mrgreen:
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Brilliant! Well done.
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great news. let us hope that the IAF as a whole maintains this record.
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X-post. this thread has been comparatively quiet for the last few years.
here's hoping it stays so.
kidoman wrote:IAF plane crashes in Rajasthan, pilot dead
NEW DELHI: An Indian Air Force fighter jet crashed on Thursday at Rajmathai, near Pokhran, in
Rajasthan.
One IAF pilot was killed in the accident.
Further details are awaited.
narayana wrote: its Official now,it was SU-30MKI :(.so sad
IAF's SU-30 MKI crashes, one pilot dead
This is the first time that a Sukhoi-30 MKI, a frontline fighter plane, has crashed.

The incident occurred at around 1020 hours near Rajmathai village, about 70 kms from here, when the plane, the squadron of which is based in Pune, was on a routine exercise, Defence PRO Lt. Col N N Joshi said.
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Routine Flight of SU-30MKI and Crash :(
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