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Army chopper with Northern Army commander on board crash lands in J&K, no casualties
The Army said Lt-Gen Singh, his brigadier-rank military advisor and other staff officers, the two pilots and the technician sustained “minor injuries” in what it described as a “forced-landing” of the twin-engine ALH. But the indigenously-built 5.5-tonne chopper was completely wrecked after it careened down a “nullah” along a stream near Mandi at about 1.40 pm.

Sources said Lt-Gen Singh, who suffered some “facial injuries”, and the others were evacuated to the Northern Command military hospital at Udhampur in two Cheetah helicopters. “The Army commander was found to be fine after a CT Scan. While the technician has a leg fracture, the co-pilot (a naval Lt-Commander on detachment to the Army Aviation Corps) suffered a back injury,” said a source.

“But all are stable after medical examination and aid. There is no danger to life. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the accident to ascertain the exact reason for the crash. Preliminary inputs say there was a material failure in a key component of the helicopter manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics,” he added.
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Kudos to the ALH team for designing one amazing helicopter.

Looking at the wreckage, it is impossible to imagine how anyone could have survived this!

https://twitter.com/Palaksharmanews/sta ... 8688541696 ---> Narrow escape for 7 officers - including the Indian Army's Northern Army Commander - when the ALH they were flying in crash landed. Miraculously everyone is safe. No grave injuries reported yet.

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Kakarat wrote:Army chopper with Northern Army commander on board crash lands in J&K, no casualties
The Army said Lt-Gen Singh, his brigadier-rank military advisor and other staff officers, the two pilots and the technician sustained “minor injuries” in what it described as a “forced-landing” of the twin-engine ALH. But the indigenously-built 5.5-tonne chopper was completely wrecked after it careened down a “nullah” along a stream near Mandi at about 1.40 pm.

Sources said Lt-Gen Singh, who suffered some “facial injuries”, and the others were evacuated to the Northern Command military hospital at Udhampur in two Cheetah helicopters. “The Army commander was found to be fine after a CT Scan. While the technician has a leg fracture, the co-pilot (a naval Lt-Commander on detachment to the Army Aviation Corps) suffered a back injury,” said a source.

“But all are stable after medical examination and aid. There is no danger to life. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the accident to ascertain the exact reason for the crash. Preliminary inputs say there was a material failure in a key component of the helicopter manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics,” he added.
Typical idiotic DDM farticle, that has got the story in reverse. The story is that the 3 passengers practically walked out with no significant injury, thanks to the rock solid design by HAL. In a different country that has some pride in itself, that would have been the storyline. Oh well.
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Everytime this thread goes up - its not a good news but this time it was a bad news with a bit of positive side to it. ALH has proven it's worth.

Our original research and capabilities in helicopter development has led to a whole family of helicopters worthy enough.
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I am becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Kaypius sir. He made comments in a zest (with a lot of years of relevant experience behind it). But the way he handled the onslaught was very classy.
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Mig29K crashed :(
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 082482.cms

"During a training mission, after take off from INS HANSA at Dabolim a Mig 29k trainer aircraft suffered an engine fire. The pilots Capt M Sheokhand and Lt Cdr Deepak Yadav ejected safely."


why must we always suffer from these.
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:(

But very glad to hear of the successful ejections. Hope to see the duo being able to rejoin in due course
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This tweet shows the post ejection picture of the 2 pilots. They look okay (if not terrible). If I quote the tweet, it says "Pilots are safe guys..little bit fracture here and there".

https://twitter.com/Aerodynamic111/stat ... 60225?s=19
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Thank God for the successful ejection.
Can't even imagine how terrifying it must be to have an Engine fire and it would have taken seconds for the brave men to react before the flames would have engulfed them.
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IN MIG-29K trainer crashes at Goa.Pilots ejected safely.
Any news on the cause? Bird strike, engine failure?
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initial reports state bird strike
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:cry: Wish them a very quick recovery and hope they can get back to flying soon!
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Cybaru wrote:Video -“ Fire looks huge.. :|

https://twitter.com/alfa20195/status/11 ... 17665?s=21
Looks like bird ingestion
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^^ Correct assessment. Link
"At about noon, a MIG-29K twin seater aircraft, on a routine training sortie, encountered a flock of birds after take off from the INS Hansa airbase at Dabolim in Goa. The pilot observed that the left engine had flamed out and the right engine had caught fire.

"Attempts to recover the aircraft were unsuccessful due to damage and low height. The pilot, showing the presence of mind, pointed the aircraft away from populated areas and both pilots ejected safely. An enquiry has been instituted by the Navy. Both the pilots are safe. There has been no loss of life or damage to property on ground," a defence release said.
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MiG fighter aircraft crashes near Goa, both pilots safe

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PANAJI: At about 11:45 am a MiG 29K twin seater aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed about 15 kilometres from the capital after it encountered a flock of birds after take off from INS HANSA Air Base at Dabolim Goa.
According to Indian Navy, the pilot observed the left engine had flamed out and the right engine had caught fire.
"Attempts to recover the aircraft were unsuccessful due to damage and low height. The pilot with his presence of mind pointed the aircraft away from populated areas and both pilots ejected safely," said the Navy spokesperson.
An enquiry has been instituted by the Indian Navy.
The pilots Capt M Sheokhand and Lt Cdr Deepak Yadav are safe. There is no loss of life or damage to property on ground, said the Navy.
Meanwhile attempts are on to search for the flight data recorder. Naval personnel are scouring the scene of the crash and have cordoned off the wreckage.
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https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 3841187840 ---> Close call for the CO of the White Tigers, but better to lose a plane than experienced aviators. Both appear in fine spirits and should be back in the cockpit soon!

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 6279088128 ---> Having said that, two-seat MiG-29KUBs are in short supply, and the Navy can ill afford to lose more.
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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195634497783361536 ---> As suspected, the MiG-29K crash today was a bird hit. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has spoken to both pilots, they’re doing fine. Statement just out from the Indian Navy:

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https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195604850840461312 ---> Both parachutes of the ejecting pilots visible in these photos taken from outside INS Hansa right after the Indian Navy MiG-29KUB crash. Both pilots have been recovered safely, receiving treatment.

Photos via @Kamath_sudhi.

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Video of the MiG-29KUB crash. You can see the engine flame out. Click on the link below.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195639168681906176 --> Scary stuff. Beachgoers capture the flaming out Indian Navy MiG-29KUB right after the bird-hit this morning and just before plunged into the ground in Verna, Goa.
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Various pictures of the wreckage....

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The link below has a video of the moment they ejected out of the MiG 29. Relieved that they are both doing ok.

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This will make Cain-ji very happy :)

Just a small correction on the tweet by VK Thakur...the F-18E/F Super Hornet is on offer and not the F-18C/D variant. The latter is no longer in production.

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/1197711380096282627 ---> Sordid paid journalism! Attempt to denigrate MiG-29K and bolster case for replacement with F/A-18C/D or Rafale. Both engines failing from flying into a flock of bird isn't unexpected. Remember Captain Chesley Sullenberger! Quoted CAG remarks represent history!

Above tweet is in response to this news article below....

Navy ‘concerned’ as both engines of MiG 29K aircraft failed before Goa crash
https://theprint.in/defence/navy-concer ... sh/324387/
Twin-seater MiG29K crashed in Goa on 16 November. Navy awaits court of inquiry report to know the exact cause of the failure of both engines.
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Big news
Khan loses a SIGINT platform over Ghazni.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/state-o ... -says.html
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Thank God it ain't one of ours. If there's a thread I dread on BRF it's this one.
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Vishnu Som on Twitter
Today morning at around 1030h a Mig 29k aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed off Goa. The pilot of the aircraft ejected safely and has been recovered. An enquiry to investigate the incident has been ordered.
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https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 36448?s=19
Tweet by @SpokespersonIndianNavy
FLASH.
Today morning at around 1030h a Mig 29k aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed off Goa. The pilot of the aircraft ejected safely and has been recovered. An enquiry to investigate the incident has been ordered.
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This is the 2nd crash of 29K in a short-time period. Do we have provisions in our contract with Ruskies about replacements for attrition?
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Relieved to hear that the pilot ejected out safely. Any early reports on the cause?

TOI reporting -
The naval frontline fighter jet took off from the naval aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya but suffered a malfunction mid-air prompting the pilot to eject.
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Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Thank God it ain't one of ours. If there's a thread I dread on BRF it's this one.
this news is many weeks old.
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Thank God pilot is safe. Hopefully the IN can recover the aircraft and a data recorder to see what failed.
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The pilot can give some clues too
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One follow-up question.The unaltered flight computer was considered a cause for the upgraded Mirage 2K crash during takeoff. Has Dassault or IAF looked further?

I suspect it could be tin whiskers in the package over the many years.
The takeoff could have jolted the tin whisker and shorted a crucial circuit causing the crash.
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Agra: IAF transport plane makes emergency landing after engine catches fire

AGRA: An AVRO HS 748 transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force made an emergency landing at Agra’s Kheria airbase after one of its engines caught fire. The incident took place on March 31 during a practice sortie. According to the air force sources, the aircraft’s engine caught fire seconds after taking off from the airbase after which it's two pilots made a successful emergency landing. Open-source information revealed that the aircraft was at 250 feet when its enging caught fire.
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basant wrote:Agra: IAF transport plane makes emergency landing after engine catches fire

AGRA: An AVRO HS 748 transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force made an emergency landing at Agra’s Kheria airbase after one of its engines caught fire. The incident took place on March 31 during a practice sortie. According to the air force sources, the aircraft’s engine caught fire seconds after taking off from the airbase after which it's two pilots made a successful emergency landing. Open-source information revealed that the aircraft was at 250 feet when its enging caught fire.
Some professional BA fail art graduate press reporter used spellchecker to repair FL to FT.
In reality FL250 == 25,000 ft.
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ramana wrote:One follow-up question.The unaltered flight computer was considered a cause for the upgraded Mirage 2K crash during takeoff. Has Dassault or IAF looked further?

I suspect it could be tin whiskers in the package over the many years.
The takeoff could have jolted the tin whisker and shorted a crucial circuit causing the crash.
Rather unlikely saar.

over the years, many modifications would have been made to the boards and newer modified boards would have been in place. A great many of these boards are wave soldered and microscopically inspected by certified techs, cleared by experienced inspectors, then boards are fired up to check that they are OK. Also, they have to pass LRU checks, followed by integrated system checks and again a majority are conformally coated and guessing for the mirage that all of them would be thus coated.

And then again, on installation aircraft system checks. Prior to this, on issue from stores, they all have to undergo a PIC, a pre installation check, certified as usable and passed by an inspector who has actual aircraft maintenance experience.

Tin whiskers are not much seen these days in aerospace practice.
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Haridas wrote:
basant wrote:Agra: IAF transport plane makes emergency landing after engine catches fire

AGRA: An AVRO HS 748 transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force made an emergency landing at Agra’s Kheria airbase after one of its engines caught fire. The incident took place on March 31 during a practice sortie. According to the air force sources, the aircraft’s engine caught fire seconds after taking off from the airbase after which it's two pilots made a successful emergency landing. Open-source information revealed that the aircraft was at 250 feet when its enging caught fire.
Some professional BA fail art graduate press reporter used spellchecker to repair FL to FT.
In reality FL250 == 25,000 ft.
Hari sir, if the incident occurred within seconds after take off, isn't it more likely to be at 250ft?
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FL also stand for flight level in aviation terminology which is same as ft.
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^^ care to explain " FL same as ft" ?
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