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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Nikhil T » 16 Jun 2015 08:48

It's an alarming rate of crashes for IAF recently. I just wonder what goes on in a pilots mind as he straps up for a sortie.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 16 Jun 2015 09:52

Nikhil T wrote:It's an alarming rate of crashes for IAF recently. I just wonder what goes on in a pilots mind as he straps up for a sortie.


Alarming? All fighter flying is alarming - only we the lay public think that it is like a civilian jet. There is risk in all military flying because they have to do things that others don't do and cannot do. Pilots know this.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby deejay » 16 Jun 2015 11:14

^^^ It is in summer months that crashes peak. Jaguars especially do not take well to heat. However, cause needs to be investigated before jumping to conclusions. It has been a hot summer for the IAF at least.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby member_20067 » 16 Jun 2015 17:09

shiv wrote:
Nikhil T wrote:It's an alarming rate of crashes for IAF recently. I just wonder what goes on in a pilots mind as he straps up for a sortie.


Alarming? All fighter flying is alarming - only we the lay public think that it is like a civilian jet. There is risk in all military flying because they have to do things that others don't do and cannot do. Pilots know this.


Pretty lame of an excuse... denying the reality and living in a dream land --- this almost weekly crashes are alarming ----and definitely not a great ad for future aspirants---- This phase has started since the crash of C-130J-- a really bad phase --- either we are slogging too hard or the ages are finally catching up with the frames.... or shoddy maintenance---

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 16 Jun 2015 17:24

Jagan wrote:
prashantsharma wrote:Was randomly searching on youtube and came across this... very saddening ... not difficult to identify
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Z2OPh9FvI
Should someone get court-martialed for leaking this??!!!


Holy c***. what a tragic video.. the ladys accent sounded definitely Indian (maybe south indian)..and the last radio transmission left no doubt "wg cdr oswald"

http://oheraldo.in/news/main%20page%20n ... 33624.html


Jagan - the accent sounds Sri Lankan to me

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby member_20067 » 16 Jun 2015 18:03

It was mostly likely in Hasimara--- and ATC accent was South Indian---the Goan pilot Oswald died in this crash...

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Karthik S » 16 Jun 2015 18:38

Why didn't the pilot eject?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Jagan » 19 Jun 2015 04:33

Karthik S wrote:Why didn't the pilot eject?


Chairborne analysis - The ATC officer should have given a call to the pilot to eject. (Maybe he did - we dont know - only the CoI would tell) There was a window of 10-20 seconds when the ejection could have happened. The pilot probably didnt know what was happening behind him and probably thought he could continue a bit more. the aircraft literally nose dived after losing speed.

The Mig-27 has the KM1M ejection seat..
The KM-1M is a fully automatic rocket boosted
seat weighing 135 kg. It is capable
of providing successful escape at altitudes of zero
to 20 km above ground level and at speeds of 130
kmph to 1200 kmph. Or, stated simply, it is a ground
level ejection seat with minimum aircraft speed
requirement of 130 kmph. .


Was the aircraft doing 130kmph? or did the speed fall down by the time the pilot realised the aircraft engine has had it?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 19 Jun 2015 05:59

Jagan the aircraft was in a formation take off and the pilot would have instantly felt the loss of thrust and seen the other aircraft pulling away apart from loss engine RPM and lack of expected rise in speed. Maybe the seat simply did not work as expected? The plane was already airborne anyway - and that would have been well above 130 kmph

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Jagan » 19 Jun 2015 09:25

This video is so painful to watch and analyse. ..

I should correct myself.. there was a window of nine seconds from the time the flames are seen to the point the nose dips. even if the pilot felt something was wrong, i think it was just a four to five second window ..

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 26 Jun 2015 09:45

regarding the lost coast guard dornier
excerpts
A dramatic last minute downward spiral captured by radar and a fading sonar signal coming from under the sea bed are the only
clues that investigators have to go by to solve one of the most mysterious aircraft disappearances in Indian military aviation history - CG 791, the coast guard Dornier that suddenly vanished without a trace in the Bay of Bengal over two weeks ago.
Even as the coast guard, navy, air force and the private sector have pitched in what is now the largest ever sea search mission conducted by Indian maritime agencies, officers leading the mission say a rapid 26 second descent has been deciphered from data received by a Chennai based radar that indicates a major emergency onboard CG 791.
However, the absence of any floating debris or an emergency may-day call during the descent are mysteries that the coast guard is struggling with as nothing yet explains this sudden descent.


http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 822611.cms

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby vasu raya » 26 Jun 2015 13:41

^^^

Can they not mount a MAD on the undersea ROV from Olympic Canyon? to close in on the metal fuselage

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby kmkraoind » 30 Jun 2015 11:08

Hercules C-130 military plane crashes in residential area of Indonesian city Medan, casualties unknown

However, according to Al-Jazeera correspondent Stephanie Dekker, 12 people were on board the plane. She tweeted that the pilots had asked to return to base after take-off as something was wrong with the plane. After the plane turned around, it crashed, Dekker said.


There are multiple photos in this article of the crash site.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 06 Jul 2015 08:05



Follow up about Hawk accident
http://idrw.org/hal-production-under-le ... more-67866
Sources said “quill-shaft failure” in the engine has emerged as the prime reason behind the crash of the twin-seat Hawk AJT, which went down in Odisha while on a training sortie from the Kalaikunda airbase in West Bengal on June 3. Fortunately, the two pilots managed to eject safely.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 09 Jul 2015 09:51

This thread is now just over a decade old. I started this thread so that jingo BRFites could learn how accidents occur and are investigated. To the credit of BRF, it does work to inform and educate, even if slow.

But I thought I would cross post a post by deejay to point forumites to a book which is cheap, well written, easy read by an Indian (not ACM Krishnaswamy) which is a story of a flight accident investigation. It is a very short book and it reveals the Sherlock Holmes like collection of clues and deduction needed for flight accident investigation, and how everyone learns and applies lessons after the investigation is done.

First, deejay's heartfelt post
deejay wrote:^^^ If it is the C130J, AFAIK, there has been back and forth with the OEM. The pilots may be taking the blame but there have been issues with the OEM here (Purely off the table info here).

Personally, I lost a course mate and a dear friend in the crash. Late Wg Cdr Raji Nair, was a good friend. He did not have a death wish and nor his crew had any such wish. IAF does not go crashing planes. PSU's or OEM's are rarely blamed. More than 90% (my estimate) COI's end up blaming the pilot or the IAF (as in Maint practices, poor planning, improper training or whatever). Blaming the OEM or a PSU will need a b@lls of steel COI. Try finger pointing at holy cows of the Govt of India - IAF and its Air Marshals command far less authority then the Baboos and Directors's of PSU's in India.

Most of the cover up (as posted above) and efforts to blame dead pilot is to save the OEM and the also the GOI from public embarrassment.


The book:

Flight of the Himalayan Eagle by S.Krishasamy (Not the ex CAS!!)
Just Rs 150 - you don't have to dip into your pension funds
Try Infibeam or Amazon

I am sure people will learn about what the IAF and HAL get together and do after an accident. I first heard about these procedures from Late Kapil Bhargava and then from my lat cousin Suresh. This is the first book I have read that tells it nicely using an Indian setting.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby pankajs » 10 Jul 2015 16:16

EconomicTimes ‏@EconomicTimes 1m1 minute ago

Remains of missing #Dornier found 33 days after it went missing (TV reports)
Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING: Parts of wreckage of Indian Coast Guard Dornier aircraft located at 950m depth. Recovery operations under way.
Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor 9m9 minutes ago

Dornier CG-791 debris found 16.5 miles off coast of Chidambaram, TN. Coast Guard currently in recovery operations, reports @Rohini_Swamy.

ET Defence ‏@ETDefence 1m1 minute ago

#ICGDornier: Debris located by ROV Support Vessel, Olympic Canyon, through TX detected by INS Sindhudhwaj (MoD)

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 10 Jul 2015 20:10

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/how- ... 50591.html
Shiv Aroor
About 20 kilometres off the coast of Chidambaram, at a nearly pitch black depth of 956 metres, a tiny remote-controlled submarine swam up to an small orange box, perfectly contrasting against the grey slushy seabed.

33 days after it mysteriously disappeared from ground radar off Tamil Nadu's coast, search crews achieved the near impossible this afternoon. About 20 kilometres off the coast of Chidambaram, at a nearly pitch black depth of 956 metres, a tiny remote-controlled submarine swam up to a small orange box, perfectly contrasting against the grey slushy seabed. Immediately, operators on board Olympic Canyon, the robot's mothership holding position above, knew this was the missing Dornier's flight data recorder .

Located in the tail section of the still missing Dornier fuselage, the FDR would have been ejected on impact along with the other piece of equipment the robot found: the sonar locator beacon (SLB). It was a weak, nearly dying signal from this piece of gear that was the one thread an enormous search effort had been clinging to for at least 15 days.

When the signal was first detected, the Navy and Coast Guard used their vessels to attempt a 'triangulation' of the source, essentially narrowing down the search area in order to chart a dive profile for a final search. But the depth and topography of the sea-bed there threw up a fresh, formidable challenge. It was a slushy, moving sea-bed, at incredible depths and pressure, with depths ranging from 300 metres to 3,000 metres. A moving, gelatinous sea-bed offers another challenge: the possibility that it has rapidly engulfed what is left of any wreckage. Worse, the currents and pressure would have disintegrated parts of the aircraft, and kept it 'moving'. But the Navy and Coast Guard didn't give up.

On July 6, the navy's Kilo-class submarine INS Sindhudhvaj picked up a "barrage of transmissions" at a depth of 996 metres. These transmissions from the dying emergency locator proved to be the precise thread the attack submarine needed to approach the elusive source. With a narrow area mapped, Sindhudhvaj relayed the information to Reliance-operated survey ship Olympic Canyon. Over two days, the mini robot scoured the undulating surface. This afternoon, in the dim light of its on-board lamp, it found the Dornier flight data recorder.

"It is no consolation to the families of those we have lost, but at least now there may be some closure. We know that the aircraft went down. And now, we can find out why it did," an Indian Coast Guard officer involved with the search told India Today. "The fact that a relatively new aircraft of a sturdy type went down at all is a concern for all operators of the Dornier. We have a long road ahead to understanding why this happened."

The three men on board Dornier CG-791 were Subash Suresh, Manoj Soni and Sai Vidyasagar . Search crews will assess the feasibility of searching for the fuselage wreckage . Sadly for the families, who have lived with enormous hope for 33 days, procedures will be followed to presume the men dead in the tragedy without any answers yet.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby JTull » 11 Jul 2015 01:24

Tragic end to the search! May the souls of brave men find peace and hope that the families find some closure from this news in a drawn out saga.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 11 Jul 2015 01:45

Glad closure for Dornier loss.
Amazing sea is 956 m deep only 16.5 miles away from coast.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Pratyush » 13 Jul 2015 16:43

I hope the COI will find out the reasons for the accident and steps will be taken to make sure that such accidents don't happen again.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 14 Jul 2015 01:37

Pratyush wrote:I hope the COI will find out the reasons for the accident and steps will be taken to make sure that such accidents don't happen again.



Only thing one can do is ensure there are no repeats due to same cause. Once this is fixed a new one shows up. For that is the nature of these things.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby raj-senthil » 15 Jul 2015 21:41

Human bones recovered from Coast Guard Dornier crash site off Tamil Nadu coast

CHENNAI: The Coast Guard on Tuesday said human bones were recovered from the sea off the Tamil Nadu coast where its Dornier 791 aircraft went missing last month.

The Dornier went missing on June 8 with three crew members -- D S Vidhya Sagar, Subash Suresh and M K Soni -- while it was returning to Chennai after a routine patrolling off the Tamil Nadu coast.

With the recovery of human bones from three different locations at a depth 990 meters on Monday evening, the Coast Guard wound up the search and rescue operation for the aircraft and its crew, said Coast Guard IG S P Sharma on Tuesday. The operation was called off at 6pm on Monday, he added.

Talking to media here, he said Reliance-owned remotely operated vehicle Olympic Canyon retrieved the human bones from an area spread over 700 meters to 1.7 kilometers off the Chidambaram coast.

The bones would be sent to the Tamil Nadu Forensic Science Lab in Chennai for DNA testing, he added.

The Olympic Canyon arrived at Chennai port at 3am with the human remains, he added.

Last week, the Olympic Canyon recovered the flight data recorder and other parts of the aircraft.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 24 Jul 2015 16:02

20 IAF fighter aircraft crashed in last three years: Manohar Parrikar

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 202375.cms

NEW DELHI: As many as 20 fighter aircraft, including 3 frontline Sukhois, of the Indian Air Force (IAF) have crashed in the last three years.

Two IAF personnel were killed and as many civilians injured in these accidents, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said in a written reply to Lok Sabha today.

As per the figures given by him, 2014-15 saw the maximum crashes which included one Sukhoi, four MiGs and two Jaguars.

In 2013-14, there were six crashes involving five involving five MiGs and one Jaguar.

In 2012-13, one Sukhoi crashed besides two MiGs and one Jaguar.

"The main reasons for the crashes were technical defect and human error," Parrikar said.


He added that the loss to the government, in terms of value of aircraft and service property, in respect of 12 accidents assessed so far is estimated at Rs 386 crore and loss to civilian property was over Rs 4.43 lakh.


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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 03 Aug 2015 08:38

This is not about another accident.

A great article about Wg Cdr (retd) Ashoka - a keeper
https://www.facebook.com/download/89526 ... Ashoka.pdf

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shaun » 03 Aug 2015 08:55

^^^^^
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Postby shiv » 03 Aug 2015 09:45

Shaun wrote:^^^^^
Sorry, this content isn't available right now
The link you followed may have expired, or the page may only be visible to an audience you're not in. :(

Sorry about that. Will do something about it in due course.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby wig » 24 Aug 2015 11:01

a mig 21 crashed. mercifully the pilot ejected
One MiG-21 (Bison) aircraft of IAF crashed at Budgam in J&K at 1100 hrs, today. The pilot got airborne from Srinagar Air Base on a routine training sortie and ejected. A Court of Inquiry (CoI) has been ordered to investigate into the cause of the accident.


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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 24 Aug 2015 12:04

IAF aircraft crashes, pilot ejects safely
http://www.ptinews.com/news/6415105_IAF ... afely.html

NEW DELHI, August 24 - RIA Novosti. The fighter Indian Air Force MiG-21 crashed in northern India in the state of Jammu and Kashmir, said on Monday the agency PTI.

"MiG-21" Bison "Indian Air Force crashed near the village in the district of Budgam Soibag around 10.59 am local time (about 08.30 MSK) as a result of the incident no one was killed," - said the agency spokesman Colonel SD Defense Ministry of India Goswami.

According to the agency, the pilot managed to eject. He was evacuated from the scene by helicopter war.

The fighter took off from the airport in Srinagar and performed a training flight, said the PTI. According Goswami, to investigate the causes of the incident, a commission.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 25 Aug 2015 02:26

Damn, another crash. That's at least 7 this year of either airplanes or helicopters. I can't believe this isn't affecting the operational readiness of the air force. How long does it usually take for a squadron in India, to replace a lost plane?

What are they doing to make up for the lost aircraft? Accelerating the manufacture of the Mig-21 Bison et al, with appropriate safety measures. One hopes so. Yes, at least the pilot is safe, thanks for that.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Multatuli » 19 Sep 2015 12:07

Venezuelan fighter jet crashes on Colombia border

Caracas (AFP) - A Venezuelan fighter jet crashed on the border with Colombia during an operation to intercept an "illicit aircraft," killing its two pilots, the government said Friday.

...

The Venezuelan plane was Thursday night chasing an "illicit aircraft that entered the northwestern part of the country (Venezuela) headed south toward the border with Colombia," Defense Minister Vladimir Padrino Lopez said in a statement.

He said "gangs in the area are trying to use our territory to traffic drugs produced in Colombia to Central America and the Caribbean."

Lopez later said both pilots of the Sukhoi Su-30 were dead and the aircraft was "completely destroyed."

http://news.yahoo.com/venezuelan-milita ... 52433.html

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 21 Oct 2015 14:16

V-22 Osprey accidents

http://aviationweek.com/defense/hawaii- ... 1c91c1341a

A major modification to fix the Osprey’s perennial problem—damage to engines caused by the dense and high-energy dust cloud the aircraft creates when landing on any loose surface—is under development, but testing will not be completed until late 2017 and the cost and time required to retrofit the fleet is unknown. The fleetwide engine life remains a fraction of the goal for other helicopter engines. If the problem could be fixed, Bell suggests, it would increase engine life by a factor of eight.


The likely cause of the power loss, according to the document, was that the engine ingested sand containing reactive minerals—classified as calcium, magnesium, aluminum and silicon (CMAS) compounds—which melted in the combustor and solidified on the fixed first-stage turbine vane. This restricted airflow and reduced surge margin, but indications of these conditions to the aircrew “are not sufficient,” the report says. Throttle movement can trigger a surge with no other warning.

Like many rotorcraft, the V-22 cannot maintain altitude on one engine, or with significantly reduced power, without forward airspeed. In most circumstances the V-22 cannot maintain height unless the rotors are tilted forward, but this requires substantial altitude—this defines a “one-engine-inoperative avoid region” where power loss will result in a forced landing. Also, unlike a helicopter, the V-22 cannot autorotate to kill its descent rate close to the ground.

The Navair report identifies three earlier surge events related to reactive sand, one of which—on Aug. 26, 2013, at Creech AFB, Nevada—resulted in a Class A mishap and the loss of the aircraft in a postimpact fire. In addition, surveys of flight operations have found six more “rapid power loss events” in areas where there is known to be reactive sand.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 17 Dec 2015 10:35

Slightly off topic but- Air India worker 'sucked into aircraft engine' in Mumbai. How the hell can something like this happen and be termed a mishap.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 17 Dec 2015 13:53

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Slightly off topic but- Air India worker 'sucked into aircraft engine' in Mumbai. How the hell can something like this happen and be termed a mishap.

Well - it is an accident and a known type

Here is one of a US aircraft carrier crewman getting sucked into the engine of a shipboard fighter-bomber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jxcSY1AwrM

How and why it happened is another issue. The news says that the pilot revved up an engine to provide power for the other engine to start and the man got sucked in.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby saip » 17 Dec 2015 23:54

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Slightly off topic but- Air India worker 'sucked into aircraft engine' in Mumbai. How the hell can something like this happen and be termed a mishap.


It is rare, but it happens. I remember my brother (who was in the air force) telling of of similar accident - a guy's head being chopped off by a propeller. You are at the wrong place at the wrong time. This guy was supposedly at the nose wheel. So how did he get sucked in?
I do not see the necessity for the last three paras in the report.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shreeman » 20 Dec 2015 21:54

data point -- t50 golden eagle. perhaps the old takniki of the injun?

http://jakartaglobe.beritasatu.com/news ... -air-show/

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 20 Dec 2015 23:47

Nope, from the videos, it looks like the plane stalled and entered a spin. The pilots managed to recover from the spin, but they were too close to the ground to be able to pull up.



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