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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 15 Feb 2018 17:19

^^Sad. But "microlight helicopter"??

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 15 Feb 2018 18:29

shiv wrote:^^Sad. But "microlight helicopter"??


Dread every time I see this thread come on the first page. Seriously we can't keep losing craft and people like this. It seems as if we have gotten used to crashes

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 15 Feb 2018 20:41

Not a helicopter.

:(

May the departed warriors be at peace. God give strength to their families

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Prithwiraj » 15 Feb 2018 21:13

Both of them were wing commander...

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 15 Feb 2018 22:27

:cry:
It was a Virus SW80 aircraft. As per HT the deceased were identified as Wing Commanders Jai Paul James and T Vats.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby nachiket » 16 Feb 2018 07:16

wig wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/guwahati/iaf-chopper-crashes-in-assam-2-dead/articleshow/62931022.cms


IAF chopper crashes in Assam, 2 dead

The incident took place at Sumoimari Chapori, a police officer said, adding that Defence and IAF personnel were on their way to Majuli.

RIP for the pilots.
The article mentions a Microlight Virus SW-80 which is definitely not a chopper. Chalk that down to DDM.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 16 Feb 2018 07:31

From wiki


On 12 October 2015 Pipistrel won an international tender, issued by the Indian Ministry of Defence, to supply 194 light trainers to the Indian Air Force (72 aircraft), Indian Navy (12 aircraft) and National Cadet Corps (110 aircraft).[11][12] The two-seat Pipistrel Virus SW 80 aircraft, known as the Garud after a bird in Hindu mythology, will be used for training of Flight Safety and Air Wing Cadets and the entire quantity of 194 aircraft must be delivered 30 months from the day of the first delivery.[11][12] The contract includes an option for an additional 100 aircraft within the third year.[11][12]

It is a high-wing, cantilever monoplane of pod-and-boom configuration with a T-tail and air brakes. The cabin has two seats side-by-side. Its fixed undercarriage can be provided in either tricycle or tailwheel configuration. It is available in three models: the Virus 912 with a 12-metre wingspan, the Virus 912 SW 80 (for "short wing" and 80 hp) and the Virus 912 SW 100, both with a 10-metre wingspan. The Virus SW 100 has an uprated Rotax 912ULS engine producing 100 hp (75 kW). The SW 100 model cruises at 273 km/h (170 mph), which is 24 km/h (15 mph) faster than the long wing 80 hp (60 kW) version.[2][3]

The aviation journalist Paul Bertorelli has criticized the aircraft's design for lack of cabin occupant crashworthiness. However, the manufacturer points out that this kind of issue is typical of aircraft in the LSA category. The design has no history of head trauma during the accidents that have occurred.[4]





12. October 2015
Ajdovščina - MMC RTV SLO

Pipistrel from Ajdovščina won the tender issued by the Indian Ministry of Defence for delivery of 194 trainer aircrafts to the Indian Air Force, Indian Navy, and the National Cadet Corpse.

Pipistrel director and owner Ivo Boscarol and the representatives of the Indian Army in New Delhi signed the contract for delivery of 194 aircrafts Virus SW 80 Garud, chosen as technically the most suitable model.

Pipistrel will start to deliver aircrafts in eight months. They will be delivered to more than 100 locations all over India, and the entire quantity of 194 aircrafts must be delivered 30 months from the day of the first delivery. The contract includes an option for an additional 100 aircrafts within the third year should the buyer request them, which means that Pipistrel will most likely deliver almost 300 planes.

Pipistrel is obliged to assure the necessary spare parts and technical support for the period of 10 years, and provide spare engines, tools for technical support, and train a large number of personnel for maintenance and the crew.

G. C., MMC; translated by G. K.


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Pipistrel Virus SW



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Pipistrel Virus cockpit

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 16 Feb 2018 08:57

It's 2018 now. Have they started deliveries?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 16 Feb 2018 09:20

What is the rescue system mentioned on their website.. aircraft parachute recovery? Was the system installed in the one which crashed.

link

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby tsarkar » 16 Feb 2018 15:39

These microlights are used by NCC Air Wing. May the pilots rest in peace.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 16 Feb 2018 18:52

So it is indeed the parachute recovery system (more common on gliders). It would no doubt be helpful in certain conditions but obviously not in all situations.


Manish_P wrote:What is the rescue system mentioned on their website.. aircraft parachute recovery? Was the system installed in the one which crashed.

link

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 24 Feb 2018 18:21

Twitter Salutes Army Officer Carrying Her Newborn to Husband’s Funeral

The death of a loved one can leave any person devastated, but the wife of a deceased IAF officer displayed exemplary courage when she marched at the funeral ceremony in her Army uniform along with her five-day-old daughter.

In a picture that has gone viral on social media, Major Kumud Dogra can be seen attending the funeral in her full uniform along with her daughter on Wednesday.

Dogra’s husband, Wing Commander D Vats, was killed when a two-seater microlight aircraft crashed in Upper Assam’s Majuli district on February 15.


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God bless the little one

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 08 Mar 2018 20:12

PIB Link:

http://pib.nic.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1522930


Fighter Aircraft Squadron


Posted On: 07 MAR 2018 3:08PM by PIB Delhi



The Indian Air Force is equipped to cater for the threat environment that exists and is ready to meet the role assigned to it. Operational preparedness of IAF is reviewed from time to time based on the threat perception.



The Government has been making significant improvement in following areas to tackle the situation of continuous aircraft crashes:-
•Invigoration of Aerospace Safety Organisation.
•Real time monitoring and reporting of incidents and accidents.
•Adoption of Revised Training Methodology.
•Induction of Simulators.
•Use of Air Force System on Error Management (AFSEM) & Other Measures.
•Investigation by Court of Inquiry and institution of remedial measures.
•Regular visits by senior functionaries to flying stations.
•Improvements in Operating infrastructure.
•Introduction of Human Factors Analysis and Classification System (HFACS).
•Aviation Psychology courses for aircrew.
•Bird Hazard Management Measures.
•Enhancement of Aerospace Safety Awareness.
•Aerospace Safety courses conducted by Institute of Aerospace Safety.
•To identify critical vulnerabilities of aircraft and equipment.
•Sharing of Aerospace Safety Information.

To meet the ‘Critical Operational Necessity’ of the Fighter Aircraft in the IAF, the Inter Governmental Agreement (IGA) was signed with Government of France for supply of 36 Rafale aircraft on 23 September 2016. At present, Inter-Government Agreement is on schedule.

This information was given by Raksha Rajya Mantri Dr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to Shri Nand Kumar Singh Chouhan in Lok Sabha today.



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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 10 Mar 2018 20:31

Indian Coast Guard helicopter crash lands in Maharashtra's Nandgao

An Indian Coast Guard helicopter crash landed near Nandgaon in Maharashtra's Raigad district on Saturday, injuring a woman pilot.

All four crew members of the helicopter were rescued and flown back to Naval hospital INHS Asvini in Mumbai, where the wounded woman pilot is currently receiving treatment.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 13 Mar 2018 18:55

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/973531936860844032 ---> Not pretty. The Indian Air Force informs Parliament that all recent air accidents have been found to be 'errors of judgement, errors of skill in the cockpit, individual errors'.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby vivekmehta » 20 Mar 2018 15:07

Pilot Safe, i think this is the first crash of Hawk trainer.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 379434.cms

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Prithwiraj » 20 Mar 2018 19:25

vivekmehta wrote:Pilot Safe, i think this is the first crash of Hawk trainer.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 379434.cms

Nope one crashed in Bidar long back right after induction-- there are few others I believe

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 20 Mar 2018 21:03

No Lifafa media braying at poor reliability of British Hwak aircraft!!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 20 Mar 2018 23:25

There has been a Hawk (Red Arrows) crash in the UK also today

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 22 Mar 2018 15:34

Indian Navy's 'Israel-Made' Heron Drone Crashes In Gujarat's Porbandar

https://www.ndtv.com/cities/gujarat-dro ... eststories

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 28 Mar 2018 11:06

Manish_P wrote:Indian Coast Guard helicopter crash lands in Maharashtra's Nandgao

An Indian Coast Guard helicopter crash landed near Nandgaon in Maharashtra's Raigad district on Saturday, injuring a woman pilot.

All four crew members of the helicopter were rescued and flown back to Naval hospital INHS Asvini in Mumbai, where the wounded woman pilot is currently receiving treatment.


“To the youngest of us all. Asst. Comdr Penny Choudhary. You have left us with a heartache which shall never be filled with time.”

- Noor Choudhary

It’s just plain tragic for our whole family that the youngest & the most committed to the nation amongst has left us



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She's moved on to a better world.


Assistant commandant Penny Chaudhary, the pilot of an Indian Coast Guard chopper that crashed at Murud in Maharashtra's Raigad district, succumbed to her injuries Tuesday evening, March 27.

Penny Choudhary

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Assistant Commandant Penny Chaudhary.Indian Coast Guard

The pilot had sustained head injuries during the crash that took place March 10 and was admitted to a naval hospital in Colaba, South Mumbai.

The Chetak helicopter that was on a routine sortie had four people on board – Deputy Commandant Balwinder Singh, Assistant Commandant Chaudhary, and two divers -- Sandeep and Baljeet.

She breathed her last Tuesday evening. "She died last night," a Coast Guard PRO told Press Trust of India.

Who was assistant commandant Penny Chaudhary?

Penny Chaudhary was commissioned as an Indian Coast Guard officer in 2016.
Chaudhary was a native of Karnal, Haryana.
She had 555 hours of flying hours to her credit.
Chaudhary was the pilot of a Chetak helicopter that crash-landed earlier this month at Murud in Maharashtra.
She suffered head injuries during the crash and was rushed to a nearby hospital.
She was admitted to INHS Asvini hospital in Colaba, Mumbai, where she was put on life support.
She battled for 17 days before she succumbed to injuries and passed away Tuesday evening.
Chaudary was on a routine sortie on the helicopter that also had three passengers on board.
The pilots tried to land the helicopter at the sandy part of the beach but landed on a rocky patch.
Chaudhary had suffered internal bleeding after the rotor of the helicopter struck her head.
Chaudhary carried out emergency landing after the helicopter developed technical snag.
One of her colleagues called her as "a brilliant, soft-spoken officer who was popular among her colleagues for her professionalism and social conduct."
The colleague added, "It may be recalled that the officer, with her presence of mind and professional handling of the incident, had maneuvered the helicopter for safe landing and ensured the safety of the other crew members.
"The young officer will be deeply remembered by the Coast Guard fraternity for her commendable devotion to duty and selfless service towards the nation."

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 28 Mar 2018 18:18

That's sad. The earlier reports didn't give details about the seriousness of the injury. May she be at peace. God give her family the strength to bear the loss..

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 28 Mar 2018 19:19

Manish_P wrote:That's sad. The earlier reports didn't give details about the seriousness of the injury. May she be at peace. God give her family the strength to bear the loss..

Her uncle had posted a message on Twitter and to me it did not sound good.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 28 Mar 2018 20:40

Oh. I missed that as i am not on twitter.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Bob V » 28 Mar 2018 21:30

She survived the hard landing but was hit on the back of the head by the slow moving rotor blade, when she stepped out.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shubham » 03 Apr 2018 15:54

Crash of Mi 17 v5 at Kedarnath. All occupants reported to be safe.

One person was killed and three others injured when an Indian Air Force (IAF) cargo helicopter caught fire while landing in Uttarakhand's Kedarnath today, reported ANI.
The MI-17 helicopter reportedly caught fire after it hit an iron girder while it was attempting to land in a helipad near the Kedarnath temple.

The chopper was carrying construction material from Guptakashi to Kedarnath and crashed landed just short of the helipad. It took off at 8:00am and the accident happened at 8:20am. All six IAF personnel on board are safe though the pilot sustained minor injuries on leg.
Medical assistance is being provided by the district administration and IAF.
The IAF in an official statement said, “Today morning around 0810h one Mi-17 V5 helicopter of IAF crashed near Kedarnath. All persons on-board are safe. A Court of Inquiry will ascertain the cause of the accident.”


https://m.timesofindia.com/city/dehradun/iaf-helicopter-collides-catches-fire-pilot-among-four-injured/amp_articleshow/63590906.cms

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby srin » 03 Apr 2018 18:25

^^ If all on-board are safe, who was killed ?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 03 Apr 2018 21:17

^^ the humanities educated press reporter had lots of compassion and wanted Mi17 to be treated humanly; poor Mi17 was killed, while the evil humans survived :twisted:

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Prithwiraj » 03 Apr 2018 22:08

Here is a link to the video of the crash. Looks like the tail rotor hit some iron rod at the very last sec. Also I am not a pilot but the landing approach looks very fast. May be that's how it is done

https://twitter.com/manjeetnegilive/sta ... 6458046464

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 03 Apr 2018 22:15

I think the helo was in trouble before it landed

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 03 Apr 2018 22:22

Looks like the entire tail crashed behind fuselage after hitting something midsection , seems the landing was too fast as it came near could be heli down wash

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shubham » 03 Apr 2018 22:34

The speed do appears to be too fast,(especially if it had lot of cargo) resulting in high rate of descent just before touchdown.

If rate of descent is too high on touchdown, the tail section will shear off from the joint from where it is connected to cargo compartment.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 03 Apr 2018 22:42

Austin wrote:Looks like the entire tail crashed behind fuselage after hitting something midsection , seems the landing was too fast as it came near could be heli down wash

All saved and safe is the best part


looks like something happened to or inside the tailboom.

The investigation should be fairly straightforward since the video will be able to tell the accident investigators where to concentrate and hopefully, there was no fire after the crash.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 03 Apr 2018 22:59

Could even be a sudden tailwind.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby vasu raya » 04 Apr 2018 06:47

It seemed like the pilot was attempting a landing flare, but the heli didn't respond, maybe not enough lift, engine pitch increased at the last moment and it landed on uneven ground not any flat surface possibly overshot the helipad.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 04 Apr 2018 12:30

Insufficient lift to enter hover, forward motion generates additional lift, as it approached pad altitude kept decreasing.

Imho mismatch between payload and chopper capacity of given altitude, temperature and available engine power.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 05 Apr 2018 05:10

^^^ Load too heavy?
Because all other factors are not in pilot control.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby shiv » 05 Apr 2018 10:13

^^downdraft, tailwind?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 05 Apr 2018 10:38

Prithwiraj wrote:Here is a link to the video of the crash. Looks like the tail rotor hit some iron rod at the very last sec. Also I am not a pilot but the landing approach looks very fast. May be that's how it is done

https://twitter.com/manjeetnegilive/sta ... 6458046464


You are right.

It looks like he may have hit the perimeter fence.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby vasu raya » 05 Apr 2018 23:11

Mi8 rolling landing



full braking on touch down maybe then can be done with short strips if hover is an issue at altitude.


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