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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 11:50

https://twitter.com/followmkp/status/10 ... 8564998144 ---> 2 pilots died in Mirage 2000 crash. One fatal - Sqn Ldr Negi died on the spot and Sqn Ldr Abrol evacuated to hospital with injuries, but died.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 12:21

It appears the aircraft when right through the boundary wall.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 12:21

The IAF has confirmed. Both pilots died in the crash. This is depressing.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 12:31

Mirage 2000 fighter jet crashes near HAL airport in Bengaluru
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/m ... luru-96037

"The pilots were out for a general training session. Mirage 2000 is a training aircraft. The aircraft did not take off properly and crashed into the blockade near the runway. Both pilots ejected but their parachutes, too, caught fire. One pilot died. One is critical and undergoing treatment at command hospital," HAL sources told TNM. The cause for the malfunction is yet to be determined, and an investigation is underway, they added.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 12:36

This is the tenth Mirage 2000 crash since induction in 1985.

Out of the 10, six have been single seaters and four (incl today) have been twin seaters.

Around 50 airframes were inducted in total and thus around 40 airframes are left between three squadrons.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby arshyam » 01 Feb 2019 12:39

Depressing.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 12:46

Got the full names of both the pilots. Forgive me if the names are spelt incorrectly. I got them from a news feed.

- Squadron Leader Sameer Abrol

- Squadron Leader Siddharth Negi

May their souls rest in peace!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Austin » 01 Feb 2019 13:04

Sad News and Rest in Peace.

This was suppose to be an upgraded model of M2K

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 13:20

Two pilots killed after IAF Mirage aircraft crashes at HAL airport
https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/ba ... ssion=true

Police have said Squadron leader Sameer Abrol and Squadron leader Siddarth Negi died from burn injuries at the hospital where they were taken immediately after the crash. Both pilots had ejected from the plane, but had sustained severe burns by then, said officials.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby JayS » 01 Feb 2019 14:18

Saw the news first thing in the morning. I am feeling really sad. I passed from near the accident spot, many fire brigade trucks were reaching the airport. Didn't have a heart to look at the scene. Some people were looking at it from over the wall.

Looks like rejected Take off. We lost two souls. Hope their families find some strength to face the terrible loss. Om Shanti.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby tsarkar » 01 Feb 2019 14:22

Karan M wrote:Also, general note for posters, please don't mimic the toxic world of Facebook and Twitter and start blaming HAL for the crash. We don't know what happened. Videos of the crash site show a lot of kites circling around though.


Agreed, Karan, we dont know the cause and it would be unfair to blame HAL for the crash before an official CoI is completed.

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/sudhiranjansen/status/1091215713610747905 ---> Two IAF fighter pilots dead in a Mirage 2000 trainer crash in Bengaluru. The aircraft was upgraded by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and was going acceptance trial/test.


However in the recent past this is the third fatal accident during an airtest after overhaul at HAL. Earlier on 27 June 2018 a Su-30MKI crashed at Nashik during an airtest after overhaul at HAL Nashik and another on 13 December 2011 after overhaul at HAL Nashik.

While we dont know the reason for 27-6-2018 crash, but for the 13-12-2011 crash, then Defence Minister M K Anthony gave the reason as human error (technical) in Parliament. A report at that point of time mentioned that the fly by wire system was not properly reinstalled. Unfortunately, I cant find that report but here is another confirming it was on an Air Test.

https://defense-update.com/20111217_ind ... blems.html
The aircraft was relatively new, among those built by HAL India in 2009. It was on the first flight following mandatory periodical check (400 flight hours).


Another report http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Datab ... aft/SB-142

Reasons could also include OEM like Dassult and IAPO not sharing proper and complete training & documentation to HAL. Often whole pages are found to be missing in manuals and T-90 tank documentation had significant missing parts.

Aircraft crashing on Air Test is a cause of concern and preventable.

Both Human Error (Pilot) and Human Error (Technical) are areas Air Forces, Manufacturers and MRO agencies work hard to eliminate.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby JayS » 01 Feb 2019 14:42

Were these test pilots or operational pilots..?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 01 Feb 2019 14:44

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/ajitkdubey/status/1 ... 7462372357 --> Every time a crash happens, villagers rush to help the pilots. Same help was provided to Wing Commander Katoch when his Jaguar crashed in Kushinagar due to technical defect. Jai Hind, Jai Hind Ki Sena and Jai Hind ke Log!


True sir. Several crashes have happened in rural, semi urban areas and the villagers rush to help.

I have read that most times the pilots have to actually tell the villagers not to lift them/move them as the nature of injuries (if any) are unknown and it is recommended that the person be not moved except after checking by trained medical professionals.

In some of the recent photos (including the one of the Jag pilot) one can see that the pilot is calmly sitting down while the villagers are standing quietly around him (probably after being told to do so by the pilot himself).

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Pratyush » 01 Feb 2019 14:51

Heartbroken after reading about the loss of pilots.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby JTull » 01 Feb 2019 15:11

Tragic loss of life.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby gaurav.p » 01 Feb 2019 15:16

JayS wrote:Were these test pilots or operational pilots..?


✈Anantha Krishnan M ✈
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Here's Sqn Ldr Samir Abrol, one of the ASTE pilots killed in today’s #Mirage2000 crash. He was an avid biker, say friends. #IAF

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby mody » 01 Feb 2019 17:09

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindi ... spartanntp

Upgraded M2K-TH on acceptance trial sortie goes down. Both pilots dead :( .
Really sad story. One of the pilots landed on the burning wreckage, after ejecting.Seems like a case of shoddy work by HAL.Some people should really be held accountable and heads should roll!

Wait for the COI. No more speculation.
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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby nam » 01 Feb 2019 17:26

The problem with screw drivergiri, you don't know what you screwing.

I don't know if it is fate, LCA(touch wood) is the only HAL "touched" jet which hasn't crashed. Tells us why knowing what your are "screwing" is so important.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby rrao » 01 Feb 2019 17:34

Arm chair marshals happily settled in phoren countries and sitting in their cozy homes, pls stay away from HAL!!! Under the circumstances, where ppl are trying to protect a nonsense company trying to produce a screw drivergiri fighter aircraft ,why sabotage can not be ruled out!!! :evil:

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Suresh S » 01 Feb 2019 17:53

Edited.

Please read general note made previously.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby ArjunPandit » 01 Feb 2019 17:59

^^can we just refrain from mudslinging on the moment. There are photos of sqn leader sameer abrol who passed away in this accident. I just hope that the buck stops somewhere and if someone's responsible, be it shoddy work by HAL or be it sabotage spends rest of his life regretting his mistake in a jail

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby chola » 01 Feb 2019 18:10

mody wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/iaf-mirage-2000-aircraft-crashes-near-bengalurus-hal-airport-both-pilots-dead/ar-BBT2exL?ocid=spartanntp

Upgraded M2K-TH on acceptance trial sortie goes down. Both pilots dead :( .
Really sad story. One of the pilots landed on the burning wreckage, after ejecting. Seems like a case of shoddy work by HAL. Some people should really be held accountable and heads should roll!



How this happen to an established aircraft, irregardless of upgrade?

Too early to say that anything was shoddy.

The LCA has an unblemished safety record despite being a brand new design. So we know HAL could do good work.

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby Austin » 01 Feb 2019 18:26

Even new HAL built MKI had crashed couple of months back the big saving grace was both pilot ejected safely.

Loosing 2 Sqdr Leader is a big loss to IAF more than aircraft itself but unfortunately accident do happen

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby deejay » 01 Feb 2019 18:52

mody wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/newsindia/iaf-mirage-2000-aircraft-crashes-near-bengalurus-hal-airport-both-pilots-dead/ar-BBT2exL?ocid=spartanntp

Upgraded M2K-TH on acceptance trial sortie goes down. Both pilots dead :( .
Really sad story. One of the pilots landed on the burning wreckage, after ejecting. Seems like a case of shoddy work by HAL. Some people should really be held accountable and heads should roll!


Everyone, stop jumping to conclusion on what caused the crash. Let the investigations (COI) find that out.

Feel really sad for the 02 young boys we lost. My deepest condolences to the family. Om Shanti!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 19:12

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/10 ... 2785467393 ---> Squadron Leader Samir Abrol, one of the IAF pilots killed in today’s Mirage 2000 accident. Leaves behind his wife Garima. A Facebook status from years ago reads: “What’s more thunderous than the roar of a jet engine? The thump of 36 Royal Enfields cruising down the highway.”

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Re: Indian Air Force News & Discussion - 15 Dec 2016

Postby SaiK » 01 Feb 2019 19:13

Video in this tweet

Tragedy in Bangalore, just before #AeroIndia2019 -
Mirage 2000 undergoing upgrade crashed during take off.
A bird can be replaced, loss of a Trained TEST PILOT is incalculable.

https://t.co/duRWupei5f

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 19:13

There is a picture floating on twitter of one of the pilots right after the crash. Do not post that image in here.

Please remember that pilot, by how he lived and not by how he died. Honour His Memory.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 01 Feb 2019 19:14

What a wretched day! Sickening. I hope it is not due to negligence. Otherwise, I will join the chorus against HAL.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 19:15

https://twitter.com/DarshanDevaiahB/sta ... 7279355904 ---> Squadron Leader Siddhartha Negi was commissioned into IAF in June 2009. He is from Dehradun. Squadron Leader Samir Abrol was commissioned in June 2008 and is from Ghaziabad, UP.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 19:16

Squadron Leader Siddhartha Negi ---> http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/30395

Squadron Leader Samir Abrol ---> http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/29875

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rishi_Tri » 01 Feb 2019 19:23

Indranil wrote:What a wretched day! Sickening. I hope it is not due to negligence. Otherwise, I will join the chorus against HAL.


Hope not. Engine failure caused by bird strike? That area is full of birds of all kinds and sizes.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 19:31

Initial reports state that the aircraft crashed as a result of not taking off. That ties in with the pictures of the aircraft going right through the boundary wall.

Bird strike does not gel.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby deejay » 01 Feb 2019 19:46

It did not go through any boundary wall. It crashed within the airfield premises on the take off roll.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby fanne » 01 Feb 2019 20:00

My God give them sadgathi!! Depressing!!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rahul M » 01 Feb 2019 20:08

absolutely heart-breaking. :(

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 20:42

deejay wrote:It did not go through any boundary wall. It crashed within the airfield premises on the take off roll.

Sorry Deejay Saar. I did not mean to jump the gun.

The pictures (second post from top on this page) show a wall being smashed right through.

https://twitter.com/followmkp/status/10 ... 3836987392 ---> Mirage 2000 while take off, developed a technical snag and couldn't take off and hit the wall near LCA gate at Yemalur. Pilots injured and taken to hospital for further treatment. Sqn Ldr Negi and Sqn Ldr Abrol evacuated to hospital with injuries.

And a news article had pinpointed the wreckage of the crash. Click on link below and the crash is apparently in the vicinity of where it says HAL Playground...

https://www.google.com/maps/place/HAL+P ... 77.6881485

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Sid » 01 Feb 2019 20:44

RIP brave souls.

When I noticed Mirage crashed I thought pilots must have made it. What a sad day.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 02 Feb 2019 00:07

Squadron Leader Siddhartha Negi

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