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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 24 Oct 2019 22:26

MeshaVishwas wrote:
The ALH was designed with high crash worthiness - max 'g' forces first absorbed by the skids, then the fuselage and finally the crash worthy seats. Seats, if I remember were the pilots.' Too early to say but maybe that saved them in the seemingly vertcal impact here.

https://twitter.com/BahadurManmohan/sta ... 36193?s=19
From a distinguished Heli Pilot and an AVM.

I was about the post the same thing. The crash worthiness was tested to the hilt here. The heli couldn't have taken any more. The guys are incredibly lucky. There was slamming, sliding and rolling involved.

We need to get the wire cutters going though.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby agupta » 24 Oct 2019 22:32

^ +1

Its criminal - and inexplicable... the delays in the wire cutter assembly being integrated; hard to rationalize it with the otherwise very proactive Helicopter div. You indicated some time ago, IIRC, that you knew what was happening... is now an OK time to share?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Kakarat » 24 Oct 2019 22:40

Army chopper with Northern Army commander on board crash lands in J&K, no casualties

The Army said Lt-Gen Singh, his brigadier-rank military advisor and other staff officers, the two pilots and the technician sustained “minor injuries” in what it described as a “forced-landing” of the twin-engine ALH. But the indigenously-built 5.5-tonne chopper was completely wrecked after it careened down a “nullah” along a stream near Mandi at about 1.40 pm.

Sources said Lt-Gen Singh, who suffered some “facial injuries”, and the others were evacuated to the Northern Command military hospital at Udhampur in two Cheetah helicopters. “The Army commander was found to be fine after a CT Scan. While the technician has a leg fracture, the co-pilot (a naval Lt-Commander on detachment to the Army Aviation Corps) suffered a back injury,” said a source.

“But all are stable after medical examination and aid. There is no danger to life. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the accident to ascertain the exact reason for the crash. Preliminary inputs say there was a material failure in a key component of the helicopter manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics,” he added.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 24 Oct 2019 23:44

Kudos to the ALH team for designing one amazing helicopter.

Looking at the wreckage, it is impossible to imagine how anyone could have survived this!

https://twitter.com/Palaksharmanews/sta ... 8688541696 ---> Narrow escape for 7 officers - including the Indian Army's Northern Army Commander - when the ALH they were flying in crash landed. Miraculously everyone is safe. No grave injuries reported yet.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby arshyam » 25 Oct 2019 17:36

Kakarat wrote:Army chopper with Northern Army commander on board crash lands in J&K, no casualties

The Army said Lt-Gen Singh, his brigadier-rank military advisor and other staff officers, the two pilots and the technician sustained “minor injuries” in what it described as a “forced-landing” of the twin-engine ALH. But the indigenously-built 5.5-tonne chopper was completely wrecked after it careened down a “nullah” along a stream near Mandi at about 1.40 pm.

Sources said Lt-Gen Singh, who suffered some “facial injuries”, and the others were evacuated to the Northern Command military hospital at Udhampur in two Cheetah helicopters. “The Army commander was found to be fine after a CT Scan. While the technician has a leg fracture, the co-pilot (a naval Lt-Commander on detachment to the Army Aviation Corps) suffered a back injury,” said a source.

“But all are stable after medical examination and aid. There is no danger to life. A court of inquiry has been ordered into the accident to ascertain the exact reason for the crash. Preliminary inputs say there was a material failure in a key component of the helicopter manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics,” he added.

Typical idiotic DDM farticle, that has got the story in reverse. The story is that the 3 passengers practically walked out with no significant injury, thanks to the rock solid design by HAL. In a different country that has some pride in itself, that would have been the storyline. Oh well.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby YashG » 25 Oct 2019 18:59

Everytime this thread goes up - its not a good news but this time it was a bad news with a bit of positive side to it. ALH has proven it's worth.

Our original research and capabilities in helicopter development has led to a whole family of helicopters worthy enough.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby somdev » 25 Oct 2019 22:21

What a mess!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 26 Oct 2019 01:37

I am becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Kaypius sir. He made comments in a zest (with a lot of years of relevant experience behind it). But the way he handled the onslaught was very classy.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby AdityaM » 16 Nov 2019 13:07

Mig29K crashed :(
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 082482.cms

"During a training mission, after take off from INS HANSA at Dabolim a Mig 29k trainer aircraft suffered an engine fire. The pilots Capt M Sheokhand and Lt Cdr Deepak Yadav ejected safely."


why must we always suffer from these.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 16 Nov 2019 13:33

:(

But very glad to hear of the successful ejections. Hope to see the duo being able to rejoin in due course

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Bhaskar_T » 16 Nov 2019 13:50

This tweet shows the post ejection picture of the 2 pilots. They look okay (if not terrible). If I quote the tweet, it says "Pilots are safe guys..little bit fracture here and there".

https://twitter.com/Aerodynamic111/stat ... 60225?s=19

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby MeshaVishwas » 16 Nov 2019 14:02

Thank God for the successful ejection.
Can't even imagine how terrifying it must be to have an Engine fire and it would have taken seconds for the brave men to react before the flames would have engulfed them.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Philip » 16 Nov 2019 14:34

IN MIG-29K trainer crashes at Goa.Pilots ejected safely.
Any news on the cause? Bird strike, engine failure?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby VikramA » 16 Nov 2019 15:13

initial reports state bird strike

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 16 Nov 2019 19:53

:cry: Wish them a very quick recovery and hope they can get back to flying soon!

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Indranil » 16 Nov 2019 20:30

Cybaru wrote:Video -“ Fire looks huge.. :|

https://twitter.com/alfa20195/status/11 ... 17665?s=21

Looks like bird ingestion

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 16 Nov 2019 21:06

^^ Correct assessment. Link

"At about noon, a MIG-29K twin seater aircraft, on a routine training sortie, encountered a flock of birds after take off from the INS Hansa airbase at Dabolim in Goa. The pilot observed that the left engine had flamed out and the right engine had caught fire.

"Attempts to recover the aircraft were unsuccessful due to damage and low height. The pilot, showing the presence of mind, pointed the aircraft away from populated areas and both pilots ejected safely. An enquiry has been instituted by the Navy. Both the pilots are safe. There has been no loss of life or damage to property on ground," a defence release said.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Ashokk » 16 Nov 2019 21:19

MiG fighter aircraft crashes near Goa, both pilots safe

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PANAJI: At about 11:45 am a MiG 29K twin seater aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed about 15 kilometres from the capital after it encountered a flock of birds after take off from INS HANSA Air Base at Dabolim Goa.
According to Indian Navy, the pilot observed the left engine had flamed out and the right engine had caught fire.
"Attempts to recover the aircraft were unsuccessful due to damage and low height. The pilot with his presence of mind pointed the aircraft away from populated areas and both pilots ejected safely," said the Navy spokesperson.
An enquiry has been instituted by the Indian Navy.
The pilots Capt M Sheokhand and Lt Cdr Deepak Yadav are safe. There is no loss of life or damage to property on ground, said the Navy.
Meanwhile attempts are on to search for the flight data recorder. Naval personnel are scouring the scene of the crash and have cordoned off the wreckage.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 16 Nov 2019 22:16

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 3841187840 ---> Close call for the CO of the White Tigers, but better to lose a plane than experienced aviators. Both appear in fine spirits and should be back in the cockpit soon!

https://twitter.com/zone5aviation/statu ... 6279088128 ---> Having said that, two-seat MiG-29KUBs are in short supply, and the Navy can ill afford to lose more.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 16 Nov 2019 22:17

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195634497783361536 ---> As suspected, the MiG-29K crash today was a bird hit. Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has spoken to both pilots, they’re doing fine. Statement just out from the Indian Navy:

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 16 Nov 2019 22:18

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195604850840461312 ---> Both parachutes of the ejecting pilots visible in these photos taken from outside INS Hansa right after the Indian Navy MiG-29KUB crash. Both pilots have been recovered safely, receiving treatment.

Photos via @Kamath_sudhi.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 16 Nov 2019 22:23

Video of the MiG-29KUB crash. You can see the engine flame out. Click on the link below.

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1195639168681906176 --> Scary stuff. Beachgoers capture the flaming out Indian Navy MiG-29KUB right after the bird-hit this morning and just before plunged into the ground in Verna, Goa.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 16 Nov 2019 22:28

Various pictures of the wreckage....

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Re: Military Flight Safety

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Shameek » 20 Nov 2019 03:35

The link below has a video of the moment they ejected out of the MiG 29. Relieved that they are both doing ok.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Rakesh » 23 Nov 2019 19:13

This will make Cain-ji very happy :)

Just a small correction on the tweet by VK Thakur...the F-18E/F Super Hornet is on offer and not the F-18C/D variant. The latter is no longer in production.

https://twitter.com/vkthakur/status/1197711380096282627 ---> Sordid paid journalism! Attempt to denigrate MiG-29K and bolster case for replacement with F/A-18C/D or Rafale. Both engines failing from flying into a flock of bird isn't unexpected. Remember Captain Chesley Sullenberger! Quoted CAG remarks represent history!

Above tweet is in response to this news article below....

Navy ‘concerned’ as both engines of MiG 29K aircraft failed before Goa crash
https://theprint.in/defence/navy-concer ... sh/324387/

Twin-seater MiG29K crashed in Goa on 16 November. Navy awaits court of inquiry report to know the exact cause of the failure of both engines.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby MeshaVishwas » 27 Jan 2020 19:29

Big news
Khan loses a SIGINT platform over Ghazni.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/state-o ... -says.html

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Mukesh.Kumar » 27 Jan 2020 20:38

Thank God it ain't one of ours. If there's a thread I dread on BRF it's this one.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Nikhil T » 23 Feb 2020 13:08

Vishnu Som on Twitter
Today morning at around 1030h a Mig 29k aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed off Goa. The pilot of the aircraft ejected safely and has been recovered. An enquiry to investigate the incident has been ordered.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 23 Feb 2020 13:10

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 36448?s=19
Tweet by @SpokespersonIndianNavy
FLASH.
Today morning at around 1030h a Mig 29k aircraft on a routine training sortie crashed off Goa. The pilot of the aircraft ejected safely and has been recovered. An enquiry to investigate the incident has been ordered.
@DefenceMinIndia
@SpokespersonMoD

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Zynda » 23 Feb 2020 13:18

This is the 2nd crash of 29K in a short-time period. Do we have provisions in our contract with Ruskies about replacements for attrition?

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 23 Feb 2020 19:13

Relieved to hear that the pilot ejected out safely. Any early reports on the cause?

TOI reporting -

The naval frontline fighter jet took off from the naval aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya but suffered a malfunction mid-air prompting the pilot to eject.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby chetak » 23 Feb 2020 19:22

Mukesh.Kumar wrote:Thank God it ain't one of ours. If there's a thread I dread on BRF it's this one.


this news is many weeks old.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Mort Walker » 23 Feb 2020 19:29

Thank God pilot is safe. Hopefully the IN can recover the aircraft and a data recorder to see what failed.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Manish_P » 23 Feb 2020 21:02

The pilot can give some clues too

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby ramana » 24 Feb 2020 07:10

One follow-up question.The unaltered flight computer was considered a cause for the upgraded Mirage 2K crash during takeoff. Has Dassault or IAF looked further?

I suspect it could be tin whiskers in the package over the many years.
The takeoff could have jolted the tin whisker and shorted a crucial circuit causing the crash.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby basant » 03 Apr 2020 00:47

Agra: IAF transport plane makes emergency landing after engine catches fire

AGRA: An AVRO HS 748 transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force made an emergency landing at Agra’s Kheria airbase after one of its engines caught fire. The incident took place on March 31 during a practice sortie. According to the air force sources, the aircraft’s engine caught fire seconds after taking off from the airbase after which it's two pilots made a successful emergency landing. Open-source information revealed that the aircraft was at 250 feet when its enging caught fire.

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Re: Military Flight Safety

Postby Haridas » 04 Apr 2020 13:22

basant wrote:Agra: IAF transport plane makes emergency landing after engine catches fire

AGRA: An AVRO HS 748 transport aircraft of the Indian Air Force made an emergency landing at Agra’s Kheria airbase after one of its engines caught fire. The incident took place on March 31 during a practice sortie. According to the air force sources, the aircraft’s engine caught fire seconds after taking off from the airbase after which it's two pilots made a successful emergency landing. Open-source information revealed that the aircraft was at 250 feet when its enging caught fire.
Some professional BA fail art graduate press reporter used spellchecker to repair FL to FT.
In reality FL250 == 25,000 ft.


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