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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 18 Jun 2018 17:21

Picklu wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/status/1007189874590400513 ---> A Para SF Operative from a RCL Team firing an Indian-produced Carl Gustav M3 Recoil-Less Rifle while another operative who is armed with Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifle with MARS Red Dot Sight assists him.

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With the rope anchor and harness, looks like a straight lift from the Discovery Channel's program on surgical strike


it is from the same video.

Assuming the rope harness is to shoot down the mountain slope ?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 19 Jun 2018 07:43

A pgm on pathankot attack will come soon

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby suryag » 19 Jun 2018 07:51

Damn it I mistook “on” in the above sentence to “for” insha allah

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby dinesha » 21 Jun 2018 19:46

With Snipers, Radars, NSG Commandos Reach Kashmir For Anti-Terror Ops
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/with-sn ... ns-1871164

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rakesh » 22 Jun 2018 05:06

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 6729735168 ----> 4 Para SF Operative using a RO-400 Wall Penetrating Radar during a Room Intervention Operation. Ideal for Hostage Rescue and Military Operations in Urban Terrain it is designed to provide information about the presence of people behind brick, cement, concrete structures.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby dinesha » 22 Jun 2018 14:56

https://twitter.com/brigmahalingam/stat ... 05856?s=12
I have been the Force Commander Of NSG & I can assert with authority, that this Force is most unsuitable for operations in the Valley. It’s wpn systems & training unsuitable for the purpose.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 22 Jun 2018 15:13

The point is that they will get to shoot when someone is shooting back. It is idiocy to think that NSG will use NSG tactics in the valley.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 22 Jun 2018 16:55

ks_sachin wrote:The point is that they will get to shoot when someone is shooting back. It is idiocy to think that NSG will use NSG tactics in the valley.



Then what was the point of spending time and money training them only to untrain them - making them less effective in their primary task of CT/HRT

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rahul M » 22 Jun 2018 23:34

dinesha wrote:https://twitter.com/brigmahalingam/status/1009855190202105856?s=12
I have been the Force Commander Of NSG & I can assert with authority, that this Force is most unsuitable for operations in the Valley. It’s wpn systems & training unsuitable for the purpose.


he added
Yes I have already said yes to staging forward the NSG task force for CT tasks & not for routine operations in the valley.

https://twitter.com/BrigMahalingam/stat ... 7444432898

I think that's a given, nobody expects NSG to show up for routine jobs. (if anything can be called routine in COIN)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kashi » 23 Jun 2018 05:50

rkhanna wrote:Then what was the point of spending time and money training them only to untrain them - making them less effective in their primary task of CT/HRT


Why do you think this will be untraining?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby fanne » 23 Jun 2018 07:54

This experience of being under real fire is valuable. Perhaps we are the only force in the world where 90% of the army (in rotation via RR) has operated under fire. We make fun of PLA stating that the last war they fought was in 1979 that too with not very pleasant result. Then the opposite of it, must be beneficial. Training matters, but so does experience.
I remember one IAF pilot saying they practiced very hard, but when the real war happened (1965) and on their first sortie, they saw fire everywhere on ground, with self and enemy tanks almost looking similar and a not so delineated front, made it very hard to kill tanks from above ground. They did not wanted to harm their own side. A 'real' experience would have been good, which they got during war and improved as the war progressed. It came in handy in 71.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ArjunPandit » 23 Jun 2018 09:52

Rahul M wrote:
dinesha wrote:https://twitter.com/brigmahalingam/status/1009855190202105856?s=12


he added
Yes I have already said yes to staging forward the NSG task force for CT tasks & not for routine operations in the valley.

https://twitter.com/BrigMahalingam/stat ... 7444432898

I think that's a given, nobody expects NSG to show up for routine jobs. (if anything can be called routine in COIN)

I suspect with the JK govt gone, and if govt launches some campaign to put more pressure on jihadis, terrorists being desparate will be forced to stage high profile attacks like in 2001-02 on amarnath, assembly or other HVTs. This move by govt is to prepare for such eventuality proactively. Perhaps it would have been best ot keep it under wraps both before and after the operation.
Dont like the BS of all of their snipers being trained in Israel.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rakesh » 28 Jun 2018 05:21

https://twitter.com/indiandefence11/sta ... 5111945217 ---> Indian Navy Marine Commandos armed with under folder AKMS and Closed - In Circuit Rebreathers during an amphibious assault exercise. These AKMS are upgraded by OFB with P-Rails to mount various accessories like MARS Red Dot Sights.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 28 Jun 2018 13:41


Dont like the BS of all of their snipers being trained in Israel.
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Why is that BS?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ArjunPandit » 28 Jun 2018 17:00

ks_sachin wrote:

Dont like the BS of all of their snipers being trained in Israel.


Why is that BS?[/quote]
1. are all of them trained in Israel? Not that I am aware of happy to be corrected
2. Even if true, it just written by people looking for external validation of our capabilities and not believe in our own forces and their training systems.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 28 Jun 2018 18:03

Dont be so sensitive.
No harm in acknowledging any help we may have had and I for one am not surprised if we have reached out..It does not diminish us in any way....

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby krisna » 29 Jun 2018 04:00

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/another-s ... casualties

The Indian Army reportedly carried out a successful surgical strike against a camp belonging to the Khaplang faction of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland, or the NSCN(K), killing five rebels and destroying the camp on Wednesday afternoon.
According to news reports, commandos of the elite anti-terror unit, the 12 Paras, launched the strike at the camp that was located at Shwelo, three kilometres inside Myanmar. Five militants of the outfit were killed and the camp was destroyed.
Soldiers of the 12 Para went swiftly inside Myanmar and reached the came at about 2 pm on Wednesday (27 June). The rebel camp was attacked by mortars, grenade launchers and rocket launchers. The Indian soldiers didn't suffer any injuries or casualties.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby parikh_ind » 06 Jul 2018 22:07

There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby vikassh » 06 Jul 2018 23:14

parikh_ind wrote:There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.


Here you go: http://blogs.rediff.com/kashmirdiary/2006/09/

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby parikh_ind » 07 Jul 2018 15:04

vikassh wrote:
parikh_ind wrote:There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.


Here you go: http://blogs.rediff.com/kashmirdiary/2006/09/


Thanks. Much appreciated. IMHO this is the best account of CI Ops in Kashmir i have read , in addition to one of the books by Abhay Sapru

https://www.amazon.in/Valley-Shadows-Abhay-Narayan-Sapru/dp/8183281842/ref=sr_1_2/259-6825422-5207764?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530955719&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AAbhay+Narayan+Sapru

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 07 Jul 2018 16:08

parikh_ind wrote:


Thanks. Much appreciated. IMHO this is the best account of CI Ops in Kashmir i have read , in addition to one of the books by Abhay Sapru

https://www.amazon.in/Valley-Shadows-Abhay-Narayan-Sapru/dp/8183281842/ref=sr_1_2/259-6825422-5207764?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530955719&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AAbhay+Narayan+Sapru


Read his book on Sri Lanka. I can't believe nobody has bought the rights to turn them into movies yet .

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby pkpandey » 11 Jul 2018 15:45

rkhanna wrote:
parikh_ind wrote:
Thanks. Much appreciated. IMHO this is the best account of CI Ops in Kashmir i have read , in addition to one of the books by Abhay Sapru

https://www.amazon.in/Valley-Shadows-Abhay-Narayan-Sapru/dp/8183281842/ref=sr_1_2/259-6825422-5207764?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530955719&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AAbhay+Narayan+Sapru


Read his book on Sri Lanka. I can't believe nobody has bought the rights to turn them into movies yet .

What's the name of the book khannaji? Any links would be much appreciated.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ParGha » 11 Jul 2018 17:58

“The Beckoning Isle” - one of the most realistic books on Indian special operations I’ve ever read. Col Sapru is very humble and grounded in his narration, while still being proud and respectful of all his men achieved in the general cluster-eff.

I’m still trying to figure out if 1st Para Cdo picked up a detachment of South Indians specifically for this mission, or whether it is fictional. 1st Para normally recruited in the North Zone (Sikhs, Jats, Dogras and Ahirs); South Indians were being recruited in 2nd and 4th Para back then (with Marathas and Mahars, and Kumaonis and Garhwalis respectively).

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 11 Jul 2018 18:02

pkpandey wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Read his book on Sri Lanka. I can't believe nobody has bought the rights to turn them into movies yet .

What's the name of the book khannaji? Any links would be much appreciated.


Its called the Beckoning Isle.

http://www.abhaysapru.com/books/

Stories told to me by my mother's late cousin of his time in Lanka mirrored the writing in the book which is probably why i loved it so much. Not to forget that Mr Sapru was there himself. The Authenticity is undeniable. ( Easy to say I am a fan of his - actually tried to reach out to him using my uncle as a reference unfortunately no luck :( lol )

Also - read the short stories on his website

http://www.abhaysapru.com/short-stories/

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 12 Jul 2018 12:10

rkhanna wrote: Also - read the short stories on his website
http://www.abhaysapru.com/short-stories/


^ Thanks for sharing.

Read one short story - hit a bit hard (as it probably will to anyone who has lost a friend/relative while serving in the forces)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 19 Jul 2018 10:56

Elite special forces of Army, IAF, Navy get major weapons upgrade - TOI, Rajat Pandit

From new long-range sniper rifles and man-portable anti-tank weapon systems to high-speed underwater scooters and hand-launched micro drones, India continues to gradually modernise its clandestine warfare arm


Contracts for new Finnish Sako sniper rifles, Swedish Carl Gustaf Mark-4 light weight rocket-launchers, Italian Beretta pistols with silencers have been inked for the Army's existing nine Para-SF battalions.


Navy's almost 1,000 marine commandos or "Marcos" are inducting Russian VSS suppressed sniper rifles, air-droppable rubberised inflatable boats, remotely-operated underwater vehicles for explosive disposal, hands-free power ascenders and opposed boarding equipment

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kashi » 19 Jul 2018 11:21

I have a dream that one day the above list will be made up of Indian products.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kakarat » 30 Aug 2018 01:00

https://twitter.com/NorthernComd_IA/sta ... 0625781760

#ArmyCdrNC visited troops deployed along LC & Hinterland in Kupwara Sector; reviewed Operational preparedness & complimented all ranks for their unwavering dedication,selfless devotion & high morale


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Seems to be a Indian Air Force Garud Commando officer in new digital camouflage deployed in the valley

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 30 Aug 2018 04:57

^^ Do our forces wear shoulder tabs indicating ranks even in full combat gear usually?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 31 Aug 2018 06:34

sum wrote:^^ Do our forces wear shoulder tabs indicating ranks even in full combat gear usually?

In the heat of battle the leader should know what rank he or she is addressing!!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 31 Aug 2018 08:23

sako is good . i think they built their rep with good hunting rifles.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby wig » 12 Sep 2018 08:41

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 775327.cms

Leopards urine helped army in surgical strike
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The Indian Army troops used leopard’s urine and faeces to throw off dogs while carrying out surgical strikes, 15km inside Pakistan territory in 2016, former Nagrota Corps commander Lt Gen Rajendra Nimborkar said on Tuesday.
The city-based Thorle Bajirao Peshwe Pratishthan awarded Nimborkar for his contribution to the strikes. The award was given away by former chief minister Manohar Joshi who was chief guest.
Nimborkar, who served as brigade commander in Nowshera sector, had studied the biodiversity of the area minutely. “While in the sector, we had experienced that leopards often attack dogs in the areas. To save themselves from the attack, dogs prefer to stay in the locality during night,” Nimborkar told TOI.
“While devising the operational strategy, we were aware about possible dogs barking and attacking while crossing villages on
the route. To counter it, our troops carried leopards’ urine and faeces. They used to spray it outside the village. This worked
well and the dogs left them alone,” he said.
Nimborkar said the Army had maintained highest secrecy. “Then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had told us to execute the
operation in a week. I had discussed this with our troops a week in advance but didn’t reveal the exact location.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Prem Kumar » 12 Sep 2018 09:10

^^ Unless this information is already known to the enemy, I don't understand why someone would reveal operational secrets like these!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 12 Sep 2018 09:16

Prem Kumar wrote:^^ Unless this information is already known to the enemy, I don't understand why someone would reveal operational secrets like these!

This not a secret.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 12 Sep 2018 13:24

Does any one have the TOE of a RR bn Vs a Regular Inf BN in Valley?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby manjgu » 12 Sep 2018 13:42

leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby tsarkar » 12 Sep 2018 14:07

manjgu wrote:leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Sep 2018 14:16

the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby souravB » 12 Sep 2018 14:36

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

:rotfl: :rotfl:
Jingo can wish there will be a ultra secret super special forces team which is training leopards on force recon and hostile territory clearance.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby tsarkar » 12 Sep 2018 14:46

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

Remember the General Officer Commanding the division during Kargil who was setting up a zoo at Leh at that point of time :wink: There is a method to the madness.

Typically leopards stray into human areas drawn to dogs and chicken and goats and tranquilized by forest department. Before release, their health is checked. From the transient populations, the urine is collected.


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