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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kashi » 27 Jan 2016 05:02

ravip wrote:http://www.caravanmagazine.in/reportage/known-unknowns/2


Quoting Caravan as a substantive source?
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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Viv S » 27 Jan 2016 05:07

I believe the Caravan article is referencing this book review by Ajit Doval.


Protracted warfare


Exploration of the history of jihadist groups in Jammu and Kashmir, and their activities since 1947

Ajit Doval


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INDIA, PAKISTAN AND THE SECRET JIHAD — The Covert War in Kashmir, 1947-2004: Praveen Swami; Routledge-Taylor & Francis Group, U.K. and U.S.A. Distributed by Foundation Books, Cambridge House, 4381/4, Ansari Road, Daryaganj, New Delhi-110002. Rs. 495.

History, conventionally, gets reconstructed around the axis of mega events; around towering personalities and their complex relationships. Beneath these high points, however, flows a subterranean stream — invisible but powerful — of unknown events: of intrigues and manipulation, often of dubious legality and morality, which cast their long shadows on the course of history. If historians could have the luxury of access into these backroom operations, written accounts of our near past might look unrecognisably different. But, that rarely happens.

Praveen Swami’s India, Pakistan and the Secret Jihad is one such bold attempt in this direction, connecting the largely-unknown behind-the-scene occurrences to the highpoints of history in Jammu and Kashmir from 1947. The author, as a journalist, has long been covering Jammu and Kashmir, and national security affairs which gives him a deep understanding of the subject.


Post-1947 history

Jammu and Kashmir’s post-1947 history has been disproportionately influenced by what in Clausewitzian terms could be called as “war through other means”, both in offensive and defensive mode. Right from its inception, Pakistan’s obsession with Kashmir led its policy to be dictated by two doctrinal fixations. Firstly, Pakistani strategists assumed that religion, in this case Islam, subsumes all other identities. Given a choice, they believed, Pakistan would be the natural choice of all Muslims of Jammu and Kashmir. Secondly, they believed — as did many colonial military strategists — that India was inherently weak and fragmented, and thus could be coerced to submission through a sustainable sub-conventional warfare despite its apparent military superiority.

Pakistan believed that given its state character and polity, India would find it difficult to respond effectively or make the costs unaffordable for Pakistan in a non-military covert offensive. It assessed that control of Jammu and Kashmir could be wrested through such a low cost offensive. It is most intriguing that despite being proved repeatedly wrong on both the counts, and having paid a heavy price for that, Pakistan’s self-belief in these credos remains largely unshaken.


Terrorism

Swami traces the course of this undeclared war by Pakistan, richly beefed up with authentic historical material and details. His account begins with the “Informal War” following accession of the state to India, subversion in the 1950s, followed by the infamous “Kashmir Conspiracy Case”, infiltration of saboteurs in 1960s under operation “Gibraltar”, and, finally, the sponsoring of high intensity terrorism during the last decade and a half. The trail reconstructed by him brings out an uninterrupted continuity in Pakistan’s thinking and action, bar a brief tactical hiatus following its decisive defeat in the 1971 war. Although the tactics and tools, sophistication and lethality of weapons used, the intensity and extent of logistic and infrastructural support, and selection of targets were upgraded particularly during General Mohammad Zia-ul-Haq’s regime and after, the underlying strategy remained unchanged.

Nuclearisation has further emboldened Pakistan to raise the ante of its long-running covert offensive. The Kargil War was a manifestation of this strategic estimate, Pakistan working on the premise that India would confine its response to localised action and not escalate it to risk a nuclear war. India’s response to nuclear blackmail by Pakistan remains an issue that Indian strategists will have to ponder over seriously. Pakistani’s tinkering with Kashmir’s politics through the propping up of outfits and leaders supportive of its position, another issue carefully documented in the book, are also issues that remain sources of concern.


New insights

In this well-researched book, Swami uses new facts to build an absorbing and informative account that offers new insights into many landmark events of contemporary Kashmir history. Many years ago, I had seen a researcher’s doggedness and an intellectual’s curiosity in the journalistic exterior of Swami — traits an intelligence professional normally frowns on! His craving to know beyond the obvious and finding a conceptual explanation for what exists, has only sharpened with the passage of time. This is reflected in his book.

However, the study is still far from complete. Much more lies buried within Pakistan wherefrom most of the wily operations were launched, resourced, and controlled. One only hopes that more of the behind-the-scene operators, will, in time, follow Major General Akbar Khan — who commanded Pakistan’s drive towards Srinagar in 1947 — and give us information that can help make the story complete. Even on the Indian side, the author has not been able to conclusively develop many themes, which future historians must address. Among them are the details of precisely why and how Sheikh Mohammad Abdullah, despite his almost visceral hatred of Pakistan, wittingly or unwittingly fell victim to its machinations. What exactly was it that went wrong between him and Jawaharlal Nehru despite their long years of friendship? And why was the Kashmir Conspiracy Case, after years of painstaking investigations which led to unearthing of a grave conspiracy to dismember India, not pursued in court ?


Covert methods

Pakistan’s compulsive anti-India fixation and its unshaken faith in the efficacy of covert methods will have to be factored in by India in formulating its security policies. “Let the past be forgiven and forgotten to start life on a clean slate” may be a good slogan — but it is bad doctrine. Presently, Pakistan is under pressure due to internal instability and external pressures, which have forced it to restrain and nuance its anti-Indian covert offensive. To mistake this for a strategic shift that is irreversible would be a grave folly. In an age when conventional wars have become unpredictable and cost-ineffective tools for achieving national objectives, covert wars, as a distinct form of warfare, are there to stay. The faster we internalise this reality and prepare for it, in both defensive and offensive mode, the more secure India will be.

Swami has done a commendable job by underlining this reality and giving new insights into the minds of those who control the real levers of power in Pakistan.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kashi » 27 Jan 2016 05:21

^^ Yes AD seems to be quite charitable about PS in his book review. He also points out subtly that PS may have a tendency to gloss over or ignore the bits that may not fit in with his narrative- probably as a result of his doggedness. Members here have successfully dismantled his theories on Grandma crossed the LoC and smuggling boat blow up, so it's perfectly fine to be sceptical about his "research"

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 27 Jan 2016 05:23

^^ There is no denying though that PS has very good and deep sources in IB and lot of his "peak scoop stories" were when Doval was IB director, meaning Doval-ji did nothing to block him from accessing IB folks. So maybe they do have some sort of good relationship with the occasional PS leftist/Aman-ki-Asha tendencies being given the go-by

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ravip » 27 Jan 2016 19:40

Whether people like it or not, many people in National Security circle agree that PS is IB cultivated asset.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 27 Jan 2016 19:44

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/160105/n ... urt-locker

Bengaluru: On a cold and chilly December night in 2014, a low intensity IED blast ripped through one of the city's busiest roads, killing a woman strolling with her family. Many more were injured.

Two days after the blast, around 10 am, the DC team rushed to the spot on the Church Street off busy Brigade Road where the blast took place. It had been barricaded and cordoned off. Scores of journalists were jostling for the perfect spot to get the perfect shot, the perfect quote.

We had rushed there as the bomb disposal experts from National Security Guard (NSG) Elite Commandos from the Indian Army had flown in, to examine the site of the blast. The cordoned off area was crawling with men in uniform armed with gadgets, scouring the area, sifting through the debris, looking for clues.

Amidst the hustle and bustle my gaze through the lens settled on the tall and imposing figure of a young man who was intently watching the proceedings. Sporting a pair of slender reading glasses, and holding an I Pad, his keen gaze didn't miss a trick. He could have passed for any of the hundreds of IT geeks who throng our streets. But there was something different about him. His calm demeanour, his stance, well inside the cordoned area! And that's when it hit me - he was either an investigating top cop officer or from the Indian Army. As an army kid, I recognized the breed!

The other plainclothes men sporting bomb disposal gadgets were silently following his every command. When he came up close, I asked him "Sir, are you from the Armed Forces?" Without missing a step, he said that he was a technical consultant working with a major multinational company 8) , and moved back into the cordoned area. That's when he shed his techie persona completely, and took charge. He gestured. A junior officer handed him a pair of rubber gloves and a gadget. This man with a charm of the boy-next-door must be important, I thought as I clicked away.

I made one more effort to engage him in conversation, and told him "you are definitely from the Army". And he asked why to which I said "I was passionate about defence and services and though I am a Photo-Journalist I am a son of a person who wore the uniform of the Indian Air Force". He replied "such passion is everywhere, the real passion is when you join the services." As he was leaving though, he made a point of walking right up to me and saying, pointing at my chest, "Soldier, No Rank, No Details, but I am NIRANJAN.!”

It was not until Sunday when I entered the house of the Pathankot martyr, elite NSG Commando Bomb Disposal Unit’s Chief Lt.Col. Niranjan Kumars' house at Doddabommasandra and saw his photograph hung up on the wall that I realized that this was the same super-smart man I had met on the night of December 30 at Church Street.

This man, who put his life in jeopardy for all of us, is my real hero, the star of our own "Hurt Locker" Story. How many valiant and brave Lt.Col.Niranjan Kumars', Major Unnikrishans', Lt.Col Jojan Thomases and Col. Vasanths from Bengaluru must we lose to the marauders who cross our borders with such murderous intent.

Lt Col. Niranjan, we doff our hats to you!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby partha » 28 Jan 2016 09:11

sum wrote:^^ There is no denying though that PS has very good and deep sources in IB and lot of his "peak scoop stories" were when Doval was IB director, meaning Doval-ji did nothing to block him from accessing IB folks. So maybe they do have some sort of good relationship with the occasional PS leftist/Aman-ki-Asha tendencies being given the go-by

I think it's the other way round. IB has good contacts in media. PS is one of their pawns. I believe it's in IB's control what info is released to their contacts like PS and what is not. IB controls the narrative. This type of arrangement is sometimes mistaken by people like PS to believe they are some kind of james bond journalists having exclusive sources in deep corners of the establishment. They slowly develop a sense of entitlement and when the sources decide for whatever reason not to leak info to their contacts in some cases, they become frustrated and cook up grandma and bush fire stories to appear different and remain relevant.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Vipul » 03 Feb 2016 20:51

IAF plans to raise 10 more Garud squadrons.

In the aftermath of the Pathankot terror attack, Indian Air Force plans to raise 10 additional squadrons of Garud commandos, consisting of about 1,000 personnel, to protect its 950 flying and non-flying establishments across the country.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 04 Feb 2016 08:00

^^ Is Garud now a airfield protection unit and not a SF/Pathfinder/hit enemy airbase force anymore?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 04 Feb 2016 09:21

^^ Is Garud now a airfield protection unit and not a SF/Pathfinder/hit enemy airbase force anymore?


Its to prevent shortsightedness such as this that we need a SOCOM yesterday!.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 04 Feb 2016 09:31

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Members of 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne) and Indian Army Special Forces conduct combat water survival training at Soldiers Field House, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., Jan. 19, 2016. (U.S. Army Photo by Staff Sgt. Sarah Jane Roberts)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 13 Feb 2016 03:09

Para SF:

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 13 Feb 2016 07:02

^^Saar source?

I honestly thought they were the usual pigs till i saw ur caption!!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 13 Feb 2016 13:10

sum wrote:^^Saar source?

I honestly thought they were the usual pigs till i saw ur caption!!


Lt Gen PC Katoch!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby JE Menon » 13 Feb 2016 15:14

Is the above public boss? I haven't seen these anywhere before...

OK it is public, has been since 2013 at least. :shock:

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 14 Feb 2016 03:52

4 Para in action in Kupwara encounter 12-13th Feb 2016

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karan M » 14 Feb 2016 04:03

We are basically using our SF as elite light infantry. The SF in typical insurgent uniforms above would be leveraged within J&K, but I wonder how long would it before we set up Delta/DevGru style multimission capability teams with embedded intel analysts, comms specialists, etc.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby shaun » 14 Feb 2016 09:17

rkhanna wrote:Members of 2nd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group (Airborne) and Indian Army Special Forces conduct combat water survival training at Soldiers Field House, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Wash., Jan. 19, 2016. (U.S. Army Photo by Staff Sgt. Sarah Jane Roberts)


i have seen this type of captions before too , where they mention the proper formation name of the US army or marine but generalize their Indian counterpart . The photos with the captions are posted by the US army , so there can't be any lack of information about the formation name of their Indian counterpart but they deliberately post in such fashion.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby JTull » 18 Feb 2016 14:07

NSG withdraws 600 men from VVIP security duty

Taking the first step towards reverting to its original role of undertaking counter-terror operations, the NSG has pulled out over 600 commandos from its VVIP security unit and used them for the first time during the recent Pathankot attack.

According to the new blueprint, which has been in the making since the last two years, two teams out of the total three of the 11th Special Rangers Group (SRG) stand withdrawn from VVIP security duties and have been tasked to undertake counter-terror operations along with and in assistance of the primary strike units — the Special Action Group (SAG).

While each of the two SAGs (51and 52) are tasked with counter-terror, counter-hijack and hostage rescue operations, the SRGs (11, 12 and 13) were used to render logistical support to the SAGs during such operations and have been primarily deployed for guarding high-risk VVIPs.

Officials said the results of the first experiment at Pathankot have been satisfactory, with about 300 commandos commandos deployed to undertake door-to-door sanitisation at the station that was attacked on January 2.

NSG commanders said the force, has the least number of 15 such protectees under its cover and, after its request to not burden it further in this regard, the government has not given it any additional responsibility for over two years now. While one team of the 11th SRG and two units (12 and 13) are still tasked with security of high-risk dignitaries, commanders of the elite force foresee a time when even these units will be gradually pulled out of VVIP duties.

"Not in the very near future but NSG is on it way to go back to its original charter of being a specialist counter-terror and an exclusive commando force," the officials said.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 18 Feb 2016 14:13

Karan M wrote:We are basically using our SF as elite light infantry. The SF in typical insurgent uniforms above would be leveraged within J&K, but I wonder how long would it before we set up Delta/DevGru style multimission capability teams with embedded intel analysts, comms specialists, etc.


makes sense if we have access to the target area to consistently attack high value targets. like centcom and africom. in J&K since all the high level enemies are across the border its not feasible in that sense...any hits on lashkars there have to be outside of the conventional mil chain of command ...

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby vaibhav.n » 21 Feb 2016 12:54

Capt. Pawan -Troop Commander (10 Para SF)
RIP

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby member_28880 » 21 Feb 2016 13:21

To all pundits the casualties of IA is killing me right now, just two days back we have lost two son of soil, right now a young cap of 10th para of my age.Why this rate is so high 3 soldiers in a couple of days

Isn't the right time for the RRs and PARAs or CRPF deployed in valley should revisit there SOPs. What about introducing APCs in room/building intervention process.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 21 Feb 2016 13:37

SUDIPT wrote:To all pundits the casualties of IA is killing me right now, just two days back we have lost two son of soil, right now a young cap of 10th para of my age.Why this rate is so high 3 soldiers in a couple of days

Isn't the right time for the RRs and PARAs or CRPF deployed in valley should revisit there SOPs. What about introducing APCs in room/building intervention process.


Dear Concerned Citizen,

We must first review your appreciation of the "rate" being "so high". Please observe the data for past 15 years at this link:

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

In 2000, we lost 640 security personnel including policemen and armymen @ 1.5-2 per day.
In 2015, we lost 41 men.

We are not loosing the war in J&K as long as the Army is in control*. Confidence about the war in Delhi's JNU and like is much lower.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 21 Feb 2016 13:39

vaibhav.n wrote:Capt. Pawan -Troop Commander (10 Para SF)
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Thats delhi metro. On holidays back home i guess.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby member_28880 » 21 Feb 2016 14:15

Aditya G wrote:
Dear Concerned Citizen,

We must first review your appreciation of the "rate" being "so high". Please observe the data for past 15 years at this link:

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries ... alties.htm

In 2000, we lost 640 security personnel including policemen and armymen @ 1.5-2 per day.
In 2015, we lost 41 men.

We are not loosing the war in J&K as long as the Army is in control*. Confidence about the war in Delhi's JNU and like is much lower.


Thank a ton sir for this awesome data point. I m searching for something like this for many days, but cudn't get it, thanks again sir.

Sir, you don't worry abt those hand full of jar heads jholawalas, who got nothing but a waning socialist ideology from their ancestors. Those gonna dealt with a ruthless approach in coming days, good news is coming soon, we the bhakts can assure that.

But a wish from the heart is like " 1000s Khalid can rot in hell but 1 hanumanthapa should n't be martyr."

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby jayaaren » 21 Feb 2016 17:07

Casualties might be lower but a disturbing trend is that we are losing more of our better trained people. Now you may put it down to increased op tempo for these better trained units but here again an increase in ops should not mean an increase in casualties. I would assume that MOUT & CQB training has got better with each op but again it pains to see a 22 year old promise bleed out in one part of our country while sitting in another part one can only cry at the colossal loss.
Also getting Para SF in to the thick of things seems to a new SOP or is it to gain op experience. The reports do not speak of any other army unit on scene

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby jayaaren » 21 Feb 2016 17:21

Just read this http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/c ... 264404.ece

speaks volumes of the present situation in the country and how the Pawan Kumars out there teach all those agitating in JNU and Haryana what is means to belong to a country no questions asked.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Hari Seldon » 21 Feb 2016 18:47

>>Shiv AroorVerified account ‏@ShivAroor 24m24 minutes ago
Shattering loss in the Pampore terror encounter. Three Army para commandos killed in action today. Black day.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rohitvats » 21 Feb 2016 19:03

We lost another Captain from the Para SF. Most probably from 9 Para SF. Captain Tusshar Mahajan. 2 officers and a paratrooper.

And one more thing - Captain Pawan was from NDA. All NDA cadets get graduate degree from JNU. Only graduate degree given by JNU, BTW. So, there is some sly attempt to link this martyrs name with JNU to shore up the image of that vile place.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby member_23694 » 21 Feb 2016 20:31

Please correct me and would definitely like to be :

Terrorists enter building.

People residing there being saved by whom Police / Army / Para SF ?

Para SF get killed during saving people out or during encounter[in the initial phase of encounter] ?

What kind of equipment for SF should be inducted to save lives and close such encounters ASAP.
For precise identification of terrorists location within the building and neutralizing them from a safe distance ?

Understand situation will be messy there but pained with Soldier's and elite commandos getting killed
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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby member_28454 » 21 Feb 2016 20:58

In response to this article by the Hindu claiming Captain Pawan Kumar as a JNU alumni & Jat, I tried to post this response in the comments.
"The martyred Captain, fought and died for the country. This is unlike those agitators in JNU who want the company broken up. The captain might have had a degree from JNU but his heart was for India, like those lone groups of students, some with the ABVP, what are standing up for our country in a sea of anti-india hatred in places like JNU and are defamed by newspapers like yourself.
While the Jats agitating for reservations are agitating for their community, this brave Jat died for all the communities in India.
That is the difference.'

But it's does not register.
Can someone post this on my behalf?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Aditya G » 21 Feb 2016 22:34

In case anybody has missed the site of the battle:

It is a very large complex and it seems the militants are holed up in one of the buildings. Perfect for NSG - but i doubt they will be called in.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rampy » 21 Feb 2016 23:54

Ita 100 rooms from Ajit Doval

{ॐ}- "#EDI Is A Hundred Plus Room Building , Its Taking Time To Sanitise It:: The Operations Are On" ॥ॐ॥ {#Pampore}

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karan M » 22 Feb 2016 06:27

Shouldn't this have been a NSG op once it moved to within the building??

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Baikul » 22 Feb 2016 07:53

Under what circumstances does one lose 3 SF paras, including 2 captains, in one incident? Fake- surrender pig somehow blowing himself up? There is something different about what's going down here.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 22 Feb 2016 07:58

^^
per TOI
1st captain - on entry
2nd captain - sweep on 3rd floor

I agree KaranM, NSG train for this and have better drills for room clearing probably. they also have more compact MP guns and flash grenades and probably wire cameras for peeking around corners and shields.

but I will add my usual rant on the lack of heavy GIGN/RAID/BRI/GIPN style ballistic face protection visor and hand held shields....our army SF certainly do not have it as its not their bread and butter and nor have i see nsg in action with such kit.

you can surely expect grenades from around corners and radio controlled powerful explosives to be planted on ingress points.

http://i.imgur.com/lFgRVSy.jpg

we need to get these made enmasse and distribute to all state police in great numbers to be pulled in and used as needed by whoever is chosen to go in.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby shaun » 22 Feb 2016 08:16

Ever time we have casualties we keep complaining lack of gadgets. Hmm , inevitable. That tactical shield is the need of the hour , do any of our operatives use this shield ?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karan M » 22 Feb 2016 08:19

Losing 2 ParaSF officers to room CQB is unconscionable.

I completely agree Singha, that we need heavy breaching sort of kit.

This is France RAID shield.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT8yQHxWoAA4Dh5.png

Of course, did we lose folks to grenades or bullets, dunno. But first report states we lost our 23 yr old Capt Pawan to a volley of bullets.
Only good part is lack of any media reports saying what worked and what didn't. 90% of our op data gets compromised that way.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Sid » 22 Feb 2016 09:44

Maybe we all are looking at this scenario from a wrong angle.

These piglets have perfected the art of holding ground for a long time and are problably trained well in counter CQB tactics. They always move in, lay siege to an area, drag engagements for days, cause troop casualties and huge media attention. CQB anyways have the highest risk anyways. No amount of armor can guarantee 100% success.

All that means is that we are playing straight into their plans. It's a trap from every angle.

Whenever such situation arises, just lay waste to that enclosed area. Don't engage them in an area where they have advantage. They must have booby trapped and barricaded choke points in the building. Their running to this building could have been a planned move after ambush on CRPF folks.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby shaun » 22 Feb 2016 10:12

^^^^
That doesn't justify not having RAID type of shield , an operative holding that shield will not only be saved from bullets , he can even shield himself from splinters. and those piglets is trained but what make them "click" is their ever lasting greed for 72 virgins. The convoy protection system currently employed and troop carriers on tata buses and soft skin ashok-leylands need urgent reform.


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