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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby krisna » 29 Jun 2018 04:00

https://swarajyamag.com/insta/another-s ... casualties

The Indian Army reportedly carried out a successful surgical strike against a camp belonging to the Khaplang faction of the National Socialist Council of Nagaland, or the NSCN(K), killing five rebels and destroying the camp on Wednesday afternoon.
According to news reports, commandos of the elite anti-terror unit, the 12 Paras, launched the strike at the camp that was located at Shwelo, three kilometres inside Myanmar. Five militants of the outfit were killed and the camp was destroyed.
Soldiers of the 12 Para went swiftly inside Myanmar and reached the came at about 2 pm on Wednesday (27 June). The rebel camp was attacked by mortars, grenade launchers and rocket launchers. The Indian soldiers didn't suffer any injuries or casualties.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby parikh_ind » 06 Jul 2018 22:07

There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby vikassh » 06 Jul 2018 23:14

parikh_ind wrote:There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.


Here you go: http://blogs.rediff.com/kashmirdiary/2006/09/

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby parikh_ind » 07 Jul 2018 15:04

vikassh wrote:
parikh_ind wrote:There was a very well written blog (on rediff) on Indian SF operations by an anonymous officer in Kashmir in the early 2000's , remember some veteran brf gurus having a pdf copy or a link. Pls share.


Here you go: http://blogs.rediff.com/kashmirdiary/2006/09/


Thanks. Much appreciated. IMHO this is the best account of CI Ops in Kashmir i have read , in addition to one of the books by Abhay Sapru

https://www.amazon.in/Valley-Shadows-Abhay-Narayan-Sapru/dp/8183281842/ref=sr_1_2/259-6825422-5207764?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530955719&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AAbhay+Narayan+Sapru

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 07 Jul 2018 16:08

parikh_ind wrote:


Thanks. Much appreciated. IMHO this is the best account of CI Ops in Kashmir i have read , in addition to one of the books by Abhay Sapru

https://www.amazon.in/Valley-Shadows-Abhay-Narayan-Sapru/dp/8183281842/ref=sr_1_2/259-6825422-5207764?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1530955719&sr=1-2&refinements=p_27%3AAbhay+Narayan+Sapru


Read his book on Sri Lanka. I can't believe nobody has bought the rights to turn them into movies yet .

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ParGha » 11 Jul 2018 17:58

“The Beckoning Isle” - one of the most realistic books on Indian special operations I’ve ever read. Col Sapru is very humble and grounded in his narration, while still being proud and respectful of all his men achieved in the general cluster-eff.

I’m still trying to figure out if 1st Para Cdo picked up a detachment of South Indians specifically for this mission, or whether it is fictional. 1st Para normally recruited in the North Zone (Sikhs, Jats, Dogras and Ahirs); South Indians were being recruited in 2nd and 4th Para back then (with Marathas and Mahars, and Kumaonis and Garhwalis respectively).

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 11 Jul 2018 18:02

pkpandey wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Read his book on Sri Lanka. I can't believe nobody has bought the rights to turn them into movies yet .

What's the name of the book khannaji? Any links would be much appreciated.


Its called the Beckoning Isle.

http://www.abhaysapru.com/books/

Stories told to me by my mother's late cousin of his time in Lanka mirrored the writing in the book which is probably why i loved it so much. Not to forget that Mr Sapru was there himself. The Authenticity is undeniable. ( Easy to say I am a fan of his - actually tried to reach out to him using my uncle as a reference unfortunately no luck :( lol )

Also - read the short stories on his website

http://www.abhaysapru.com/short-stories/

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 12 Jul 2018 12:10

rkhanna wrote: Also - read the short stories on his website
http://www.abhaysapru.com/short-stories/


^ Thanks for sharing.

Read one short story - hit a bit hard (as it probably will to anyone who has lost a friend/relative while serving in the forces)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 19 Jul 2018 10:56

Elite special forces of Army, IAF, Navy get major weapons upgrade - TOI, Rajat Pandit

From new long-range sniper rifles and man-portable anti-tank weapon systems to high-speed underwater scooters and hand-launched micro drones, India continues to gradually modernise its clandestine warfare arm


Contracts for new Finnish Sako sniper rifles, Swedish Carl Gustaf Mark-4 light weight rocket-launchers, Italian Beretta pistols with silencers have been inked for the Army's existing nine Para-SF battalions.


Navy's almost 1,000 marine commandos or "Marcos" are inducting Russian VSS suppressed sniper rifles, air-droppable rubberised inflatable boats, remotely-operated underwater vehicles for explosive disposal, hands-free power ascenders and opposed boarding equipment

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kashi » 19 Jul 2018 11:21

I have a dream that one day the above list will be made up of Indian products.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Kakarat » 30 Aug 2018 01:00

https://twitter.com/NorthernComd_IA/sta ... 0625781760

#ArmyCdrNC visited troops deployed along LC & Hinterland in Kupwara Sector; reviewed Operational preparedness & complimented all ranks for their unwavering dedication,selfless devotion & high morale


Image

Seems to be a Indian Air Force Garud Commando officer in new digital camouflage deployed in the valley

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby sum » 30 Aug 2018 04:57

^^ Do our forces wear shoulder tabs indicating ranks even in full combat gear usually?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 31 Aug 2018 06:34

sum wrote:^^ Do our forces wear shoulder tabs indicating ranks even in full combat gear usually?

In the heat of battle the leader should know what rank he or she is addressing!!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 31 Aug 2018 08:23

sako is good . i think they built their rep with good hunting rifles.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby wig » 12 Sep 2018 08:41

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 775327.cms

Leopards urine helped army in surgical strike
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The Indian Army troops used leopard’s urine and faeces to throw off dogs while carrying out surgical strikes, 15km inside Pakistan territory in 2016, former Nagrota Corps commander Lt Gen Rajendra Nimborkar said on Tuesday.
The city-based Thorle Bajirao Peshwe Pratishthan awarded Nimborkar for his contribution to the strikes. The award was given away by former chief minister Manohar Joshi who was chief guest.
Nimborkar, who served as brigade commander in Nowshera sector, had studied the biodiversity of the area minutely. “While in the sector, we had experienced that leopards often attack dogs in the areas. To save themselves from the attack, dogs prefer to stay in the locality during night,” Nimborkar told TOI.
“While devising the operational strategy, we were aware about possible dogs barking and attacking while crossing villages on
the route. To counter it, our troops carried leopards’ urine and faeces. They used to spray it outside the village. This worked
well and the dogs left them alone,” he said.
Nimborkar said the Army had maintained highest secrecy. “Then defence minister Manohar Parrikar had told us to execute the
operation in a week. I had discussed this with our troops a week in advance but didn’t reveal the exact location.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Prem Kumar » 12 Sep 2018 09:10

^^ Unless this information is already known to the enemy, I don't understand why someone would reveal operational secrets like these!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 12 Sep 2018 09:16

Prem Kumar wrote:^^ Unless this information is already known to the enemy, I don't understand why someone would reveal operational secrets like these!

This not a secret.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 12 Sep 2018 13:24

Does any one have the TOE of a RR bn Vs a Regular Inf BN in Valley?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby manjgu » 12 Sep 2018 13:42

leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby tsarkar » 12 Sep 2018 14:07

manjgu wrote:leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Sep 2018 14:16

the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby souravB » 12 Sep 2018 14:36

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

:rotfl: :rotfl:
Jingo can wish there will be a ultra secret super special forces team which is training leopards on force recon and hostile territory clearance.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby tsarkar » 12 Sep 2018 14:46

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!

Remember the General Officer Commanding the division during Kargil who was setting up a zoo at Leh at that point of time :wink: There is a method to the madness.

Typically leopards stray into human areas drawn to dogs and chicken and goats and tranquilized by forest department. Before release, their health is checked. From the transient populations, the urine is collected.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Sep 2018 18:23

I look forward to the effects of Yeti urine...

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 13 Sep 2018 00:26

Lalmohan wrote:I look forward to the effects of Yeti urine...


:rotfl:

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby pravula » 13 Sep 2018 08:24

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!


https://www.predatorpeestore.com/pick-your-pee.html

There is an entire industry dedicated to "organic/natural" pest control.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2018 10:28

tsarkar wrote:
manjgu wrote:leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.


Yeah, what was the point of revealing that guard dogs won't work against indian strikes? We just took one option off the table. Seriously, no point in bragging. My pet peeve is how after each terror strike during UPA era, the establishment journos would write glowing detailed reports of how India cracked the case. Next report would say how hard it is, as jihadis had wised up. Really? I wonder why.. perhaps its had to do with the fact the police guys were giving away op details!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 13 Sep 2018 11:03

Karan M wrote:
tsarkar wrote:Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.


Yeah, what was the point of revealing that guard dogs won't work against indian strikes? We just took one option off the table. Seriously, no point in bragging. My pet peeve is how after each terror strike during UPA era, the establishment journos would write glowing detailed reports of how India cracked the case. Next report would say how hard it is, as jihadis had wised up. Really? I wonder why.. perhaps its had to do with the fact the police guys were giving away op details!


I think it is more to do the fact that we have a fundamental insecurity in our psyche and that compells us to seek ways to look important or demonstrate something special....

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 13 Sep 2018 14:06

^^^ reminds me of conversation with old gentleman telling me about Mumbai police detectives... "second only to Scotland yard!"
:-)

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Shameek » 26 Sep 2018 21:59

The Pathankot response video is available on youtube.


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby wig » 01 Oct 2018 10:54

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/plan-b- ... an-1924548

Plan B To Save Abhilash Tomy Was 4 Commandos Would Parachute Into Ocean
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On September 21, as Commander Abhilash Tomy lay incapacitated in the bunk of his battered sail boat, a 46-year-old Navy Captain was getting ready to carry out the most audacious rescue attempt ever attempted by the Indian Navy.
The Captain, who we cannot name, is no ordinary sailor. A highly qualified special forces operator, he commands a unit of the elite Marine Commandos (MARCOS) based in the West of the country.

If it became clear that ships in the south Indian Ocean wouldn't get to Commander Tomy early enough, the Captain and his squad of three commandos would fly to the area, jump out of an Air Force C-17 transport and combat-free fall into the Indian Ocean, parachuting in as close as possible to Thuriya, Commander Tomy's tiny boat.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby pushkar.bhat » 01 Oct 2018 12:42

This plan "B" was a crazy idea. Thank god we didn't have to execute it.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 01 Oct 2018 14:06

as I understand it, a number of ships were racing towards the thuriya, the urgency was to get medical aid to Tomy since he was incapacitated with an injured back. the mission would have been hazardous in the extreme but potentially do-able if the weather was not too awful. the marcos would have had to stay on the thuriya and hope it didn't sink until the ships could reach her. possibly they would have dropped a survival raft with them, where they could have holed up waiting for the ships

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby suryag » 01 Oct 2018 17:24

Folks - the fact that they had this audacious strategy as planB is in itself a testimony to their training and preparedness. Hats off Marcos team

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 01 Oct 2018 17:37

and lets not forget - this part of the ocean is the furthest away from any land that it is possible to be in on the planet
and that too with a vicious storm and massive waves

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Thakur_B » 01 Oct 2018 17:46

https://m.republicworld.com/india-news/ ... unced-soon

Special operation division to be constituted soon.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 03 Oct 2018 15:03

^^ So SOD will be a amalgamation of 3 different Units into one cohesive force with its own aviation / logistics etc - Assuming to chase Strategic and NatSec Priority Missions.

So its like a JSOC like structure answering directly to Cabinet Secretariate. If that is the case where does Special Group fit in - It has a similar mandate (smaller in size and budget ofcourse).

I assume SOD is not a permanent deputation and these men will be rotated in and out of their parent units - Does that make sense? You will never maintain deep knowledge and capability this way - SG has been plagued for ever for this very reason.

What happens to mission profiles and tasking of other "vanilla" SOF units ? They continue to pursue missions at the wims of theater commanders?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 16:16

Lalmohan wrote:and lets not forget - this part of the ocean is the furthest away from any land that it is possible to be in on the planet
and that too with a vicious storm and massive waves


there are small french outposts like amsterdam, kerguelen and crezuet island there but i dont think they have any airport or aircraft . that Osiris thing probably goes around distributing food and people , while a bigger ship visits once or twice a year to change the staff of scientists.
similar to how antarctic stations are run.

luckily his mishap occured in range of these islands. further east, there is nothing all the way to western australia a 2000km open water with no land.

in the charlie sheen epic 'seals' of 198x, they do a halo drop with powered equipment into the sea off beirut at night.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 16:23

training footage patched into the movie.
this was in calm water. things could be tough in higher seas. but i guess marine cos they are sharp end of spear ... they can do this.


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 03 Oct 2018 17:26

Singha sir, that is so 1980s..(just kidding :) )

Check this out. This is the real deal now

Operations Boat Airdrop From C 17 Low Velocity Airdrop Delivery System LVADS



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