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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Sep 2018 18:23

I look forward to the effects of Yeti urine...

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 13 Sep 2018 00:26

Lalmohan wrote:I look forward to the effects of Yeti urine...


:rotfl:

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby pravula » 13 Sep 2018 08:24

Lalmohan wrote:the real secret is how do Indian forces obtain fresh leopard urine?!??!!


https://www.predatorpeestore.com/pick-your-pee.html

There is an entire industry dedicated to "organic/natural" pest control.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Karan M » 13 Sep 2018 10:28

tsarkar wrote:
manjgu wrote:leopard urine !! if pak faujis can smell leopard urine and shit then surely its letting out a operational secret.

Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.


Yeah, what was the point of revealing that guard dogs won't work against indian strikes? We just took one option off the table. Seriously, no point in bragging. My pet peeve is how after each terror strike during UPA era, the establishment journos would write glowing detailed reports of how India cracked the case. Next report would say how hard it is, as jihadis had wised up. Really? I wonder why.. perhaps its had to do with the fact the police guys were giving away op details!

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 13 Sep 2018 11:03

Karan M wrote:
tsarkar wrote:Leopard scent marks are used to mark territory and the odour isnt strongly perceptible to human olfactory senses. However, animals with better olfactory senses detect it and avoid. Having said that, sharing tradecraft wasnt a good idea.


Yeah, what was the point of revealing that guard dogs won't work against indian strikes? We just took one option off the table. Seriously, no point in bragging. My pet peeve is how after each terror strike during UPA era, the establishment journos would write glowing detailed reports of how India cracked the case. Next report would say how hard it is, as jihadis had wised up. Really? I wonder why.. perhaps its had to do with the fact the police guys were giving away op details!


I think it is more to do the fact that we have a fundamental insecurity in our psyche and that compells us to seek ways to look important or demonstrate something special....

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 13 Sep 2018 14:06

^^^ reminds me of conversation with old gentleman telling me about Mumbai police detectives... "second only to Scotland yard!"
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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Shameek » 26 Sep 2018 21:59

The Pathankot response video is available on youtube.


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby wig » 01 Oct 2018 10:54

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/plan-b- ... an-1924548

Plan B To Save Abhilash Tomy Was 4 Commandos Would Parachute Into Ocean
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On September 21, as Commander Abhilash Tomy lay incapacitated in the bunk of his battered sail boat, a 46-year-old Navy Captain was getting ready to carry out the most audacious rescue attempt ever attempted by the Indian Navy.
The Captain, who we cannot name, is no ordinary sailor. A highly qualified special forces operator, he commands a unit of the elite Marine Commandos (MARCOS) based in the West of the country.

If it became clear that ships in the south Indian Ocean wouldn't get to Commander Tomy early enough, the Captain and his squad of three commandos would fly to the area, jump out of an Air Force C-17 transport and combat-free fall into the Indian Ocean, parachuting in as close as possible to Thuriya, Commander Tomy's tiny boat.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby pushkar.bhat » 01 Oct 2018 12:42

This plan "B" was a crazy idea. Thank god we didn't have to execute it.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 01 Oct 2018 14:06

as I understand it, a number of ships were racing towards the thuriya, the urgency was to get medical aid to Tomy since he was incapacitated with an injured back. the mission would have been hazardous in the extreme but potentially do-able if the weather was not too awful. the marcos would have had to stay on the thuriya and hope it didn't sink until the ships could reach her. possibly they would have dropped a survival raft with them, where they could have holed up waiting for the ships

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby suryag » 01 Oct 2018 17:24

Folks - the fact that they had this audacious strategy as planB is in itself a testimony to their training and preparedness. Hats off Marcos team

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Lalmohan » 01 Oct 2018 17:37

and lets not forget - this part of the ocean is the furthest away from any land that it is possible to be in on the planet
and that too with a vicious storm and massive waves

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Thakur_B » 01 Oct 2018 17:46

https://m.republicworld.com/india-news/ ... unced-soon

Special operation division to be constituted soon.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby rkhanna » 03 Oct 2018 15:03

^^ So SOD will be a amalgamation of 3 different Units into one cohesive force with its own aviation / logistics etc - Assuming to chase Strategic and NatSec Priority Missions.

So its like a JSOC like structure answering directly to Cabinet Secretariate. If that is the case where does Special Group fit in - It has a similar mandate (smaller in size and budget ofcourse).

I assume SOD is not a permanent deputation and these men will be rotated in and out of their parent units - Does that make sense? You will never maintain deep knowledge and capability this way - SG has been plagued for ever for this very reason.

What happens to mission profiles and tasking of other "vanilla" SOF units ? They continue to pursue missions at the wims of theater commanders?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 16:16

Lalmohan wrote:and lets not forget - this part of the ocean is the furthest away from any land that it is possible to be in on the planet
and that too with a vicious storm and massive waves


there are small french outposts like amsterdam, kerguelen and crezuet island there but i dont think they have any airport or aircraft . that Osiris thing probably goes around distributing food and people , while a bigger ship visits once or twice a year to change the staff of scientists.
similar to how antarctic stations are run.

luckily his mishap occured in range of these islands. further east, there is nothing all the way to western australia a 2000km open water with no land.

in the charlie sheen epic 'seals' of 198x, they do a halo drop with powered equipment into the sea off beirut at night.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 16:23

training footage patched into the movie.
this was in calm water. things could be tough in higher seas. but i guess marine cos they are sharp end of spear ... they can do this.


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 03 Oct 2018 17:26

Singha sir, that is so 1980s..(just kidding :) )

Check this out. This is the real deal now

Operations Boat Airdrop From C 17 Low Velocity Airdrop Delivery System LVADS


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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 03 Oct 2018 17:30

And the French who don't want to be left behind

French Navy Special Forces Airdrop their ECUME RHIB from a C-130H Aircraft



Of course, the seas have to be calm enough, else the rescuers will quickly need rescuing themselves

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 19:02

The Guardian film on us coast guard with kevin costner and ashton kucher has some good swim rescue scenes

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Singha » 03 Oct 2018 23:09

Dropping a boat is not a big deal even our p8 can do it

Rest people are jumping individually as in the old days

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Manish_P » 04 Oct 2018 08:14

Yes. Not a big deal for a well trained military like ours. Almost routine for dedicated para rescue teams and for the extremely adaptive special forces.

However needs conducive conditions in the area of operations. And a ship would still be needed to complete the rescue (with 10 to 15 mtr waves, no amphibious aircraft, not even the U-2 would have been able to land anywhere near the boat). Possibly (range and refueling permitting) the aircraft might have been handy to pick him from the French islands to India.

Hence the plan, while considerably dangerous and very risky, was not that ill concieved as some (journos) have tried to make it to be.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rakesh » 11 Nov 2018 22:54

Remember Para Commando Singh by how he lived and not by how he died. Twitter is abuzz with pictures of his body. Please do not post those pictures in the forum.

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Paratrooper dies after parachute fails to open at 9000 ft during training in Agra
https://www.news18.com/news/india/iaf-p ... 34563.html

Lucknow: An Indian Air Force paratrooper was killed on Thursday after his parachute failed to open mid-air during a training exercise in Agra’s Malpura. The incident happened when 26-year-old Hardeep Singh, belonging to the 11th Regiment, jumped from 9000 feet and his parachute got entangled in his hand. Singh was rushed to a military hospital where he died. Singh, who hailed from Patiala in Punjab, served in the services for over five years and was posted in Assam. He was part of a group of 40 men participating in a basic free-fall jump course.

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https://twitter.com/MajorPoonia/status/ ... 2717627393 ---> We lost our fellow comrade Para Commando Hardeep Singh of Special Forces in Combat Free Fall due to malfunction of main parachute & reserve parachute got entangled on body. Rest in Peace Brother.

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