Discussion on Indian Special Forces

dinesh_kimar · Post by **dinesh_kimar** » 17 Sep 2020 23:08

^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 18 Sep 2020 02:12

dinesh_kimar wrote:^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.

The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

ernest · Post by **ernest** » 18 Sep 2020 10:57

ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

IMO, the acquisition of drum magazine adds to flexibility in choosing equipment based on missions. I mean, it is not like box magazines are being phased out. The team will have more options to choose from when picking equipment for certain roles and missions. Some members that take up a suppressive fire, more static role will benefit from the drum mags. While, the others moving in to capture objectives quickly can continue with box mags.

This is welcome change from a time where out forces had to little option in choosing equipment based on mission needs. e.g. we had problems even getting the 30rd mags for Insas to most infantrymen.

vikassh · Post by **vikassh** » 30 Sep 2020 18:06

Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.

There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.

Rs_singh · Post by **Rs_singh** » 02 Oct 2020 00:45

ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 02 Oct 2020 01:54

Rs_singh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?
Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.

The drums are for the Tavors which I cannot see being used as SAWs.

Rs_singh · Post by **Rs_singh** » 02 Oct 2020 02:44

A drum for a rifle? I want two of whatever they are smoking.

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 02 Oct 2020 04:04

vikassh wrote:Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.
...

There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.

Thanks for posting. Fascinating stuff.

Jayram · Post by **Jayram** » 02 Oct 2020 06:04

Another one of the Major Vivek Jacob. Same charisma and force of personality
Talks about why he belives why Indians SF is the best in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1rF84XPuA

Rs_singh · Post by **Rs_singh** » 02 Oct 2020 07:55

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Rs_singh · Post by **Rs_singh** » 02 Oct 2020 21:01

wait, what? why would you delete my post pointing out para sf not being a tier 1 unit. it is not. you realize that right?

sudeepj · Post by **sudeepj** » 08 Nov 2020 08:05

First hand account of Praveen Teotia, who faced Pakistani terrorists in Taj in Op Black Tornado. Gripping account. Wont post the take aways for me, watch it (esp part II) where the former marine commando describes the firefight.

Part I

Part II

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 08 Nov 2020 22:10

I liked Commando Teotia. However his story has a question mark.

He claims that he fought terrorists alone for close to half an hour after he was injured. He says that the rest of his prahaar believed that he was dead after the first shots were fired. If he exchanged small arms for half an hour, will rest of the team simply sit outside and wait for it to conclude? They would have made a move.

It appeared to me that he was being defensive, perhaps there was criticism from his peers for his actions on that day. SC award not withstanding

sudeepj wrote:First hand account of Praveen Teotia, who faced Pakistani terrorists in Taj in Op Black Tornado. Gripping account. Wont post the take aways for me, watch it (esp part II) where the former marine commando describes the firefight.

Part I

Part II

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 08 Nov 2020 23:00

Looks like the OFB made grenade failed. No wonder he was frustrated. He was wounded because of that as he could not move ahead and then the lack of comms meant his team didn't know what he was up to. Enraging.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 09 Nov 2020 08:02

^^ He narrated the same incident in the video below. If that grenade had worked, potentially all the terrorists in the Taj would have been killed or injured and the whole scenario would have been different!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfgJ1jZZDI

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Nov 2020 02:26

PARA SPECIAL FORCES | Indian Army

vikassh · Post by **vikassh** » 19 Nov 2020 23:34

From today's (Nov. 19, 2020) Nagrota encounter

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 19 Nov 2020 23:38

It's an older picture from January

vikassh · Post by **vikassh** » 20 Nov 2020 13:42

jamwal wrote:It's an older picture from January

I am sorry. I saw it in yesterday's online HT with Nagrota news and assumed it is from yesterday

wig · Post by **wig** » 02 Jan 2021 10:59

https://www.indiasentinels.com/opinion/ ... actus-4454

Where Paras Dare: The untold story of Operation Cactus

worth reading in full. extracts do not do justice
extracts

Once upon a time in Maldives

Today, let’s take you back to the winter of 1988 to one such story of grit and glory, seen through the eyes of Brigadier RJS Dhillon (retired), the soldier who was at the forefront and in the thick of action while history was being made. The veteran paratrooper was a major then and was at the spearhead of India’s strike force that carried out the sensational airborne commando operation at Maldives – Operation Cactus, on November 3, 1988.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 02 Jan 2021 13:06

wig wrote:https://www.indiasentinels.com/opinion/ ... actus-4454
Where Paras Dare: The untold story of Operation Cactus
worth reading in full. extracts do not do justice

Wow. Fascinating story with so many details.

India's own combination of the Op Thunderbolt (The raid on Entebbe) with some elements of Op Market Garden.

With unique touches, like Indian troops being recognized due to the turbans of the Sikh soldiers

Hope some one makes a movie of it someday soon, for our younger gen.

Thanks a lot for sharing this.

wig · Post by **wig** » 08 Jan 2021 09:07

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... en%20again.

Army officer feared drowned during exercise in Jodhpur lake
extracts

Jodhpur: An officer from 10 Para was feared drowned in a lake during an exercise in Jodhpur on Thursday. Captain Ankit Gupta jumped into water from a helicopter along with some other personnel as part of a drill to save drowning persons but was not seen again.
A rescue operation was carried out by police, SDRF and civil defence along with army divers but he could not be traced till late at night. SHO (Rajiv Gandhi Nagar) Jai Kishan Soni said a team of 10 Para had undertaken an exercise in Kailana lake on the outskirts of Jodhpur on Thursday afternoon.
As part of the exercise, some jawans jumped into the lake from a helicopter to practice a rescue operation. They were supposed to hold the drowning persons and rescue him safely back to the helicopter. “While all showed up after jumping into the water, Captain Ankit Gupta did not emerge,” Soni said.

wig · Post by **wig** » 08 Jan 2021 10:54

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 159602.cms
Makers of drone used in surgical strike keep it as a souvenir now
excerpts

When the Indian Army’s 9 Para Special Forces conducted the surgical strike crossing Line of Control (LOC) in the wee hours of 29 September, 2016 in retaliation to the Uri terrorist attack, it was a small drone that helped the soldiers escape from the enemy’s ambush.
The drone located enemy’s location by flying ahead of the soldiers giving them an upper hand. It was the only mission carried out by that drone and it is currently preserved as a souvenir of the historic event by its makers in Kalady, Ernakulam. The drone was manufactured by the Kalady-based firm AutomicroUAS Aerotech Pvt Ltd (AMUAS), run by two retired IAF officers Gp Capt M J Augustine Vinod, a Malayali, and his wife Squadron Leader Varsha Kukreti. They custom-made the drone in their Hyderabad laboratory as per the requirements of the Army around a week before the surgical strike without knowing anything about the mission. They had also trained the soldiers to operate the device.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 08 Jan 2021 12:40

^ Wow! So, the drone-story in the Uri movie was based on reality (though they made it look like an IIT grad did it).

Group Captain Augustine Vinod is on Twitter

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 08 Jan 2021 14:13

Prem Kumar wrote:^ Wow! So, the drone-story in the Uri movie was based on reality (though they made it look like an IIT grad did it).
Group Captain Augustine Vinod is on Twitter

hence proved once again , there is always method to madness

Neilz · Post by **Neilz** » 10 Jan 2021 02:36

Not sure if this is posted earlier.. This youtube channel is doing short videos on forces. Some of the footage looks like exclusive to them...

https://www.youtube.com/c/HUNT0810/videos

Neilz · Post by **Neilz** » 10 Jan 2021 02:50

wig wrote:https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 159602.cms
Makers of drone used in surgical strike keep it as a souvenir now
excerpts

TOI removed that article and instead put a new one where Army denied the claim... though the company is sticking with the claim..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 183054.cms

“The claims made in the article are factually incorrect since the gadgets mentioned were not used in any operation Further the photograph claimed to be the citation is actually a souvenir presented by a unit of Indian Army to to numerous serving/ veteran officers and men on the occasion of their Golden Jubilee celebrations,”

Meanwhile, AMUAS said it was "disheartening"to see the Army calling the facts incorrect. They said that they took the drone back and kept it as a souvenir with much respect

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 21 Jan 2021 23:57

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... 16353?s=20 ---> Para SF recon.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 30 Jan 2021 06:09

https://twitter.com/akki_bauer22_/statu ... 20672?s=20 ---> Paratrooper Sonam Tshering Tamang awarded Shaurya Chakra. He was part of Rangdori Behak encounter as well. The only member of the 6 man team to survive. Legend.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 30 Jan 2021 12:00

Very sad, the terrain is tough and Pakis must be SSG to operate in snow and Ambush. We must try and eliminate these through helicopters and long range sniping.

Atmavik · Post by **Atmavik** » 07 Feb 2021 09:10

https://mobile.twitter.com/ANI/status/1 ... 5505377281

Indian Air Force Special Forces Garuds were deployed extensively in the counter-terrorism role at the Aero India show in Bengaluru. The Garuds created a sniper grid interposed with mobile assault elements both on ground and in air during the show.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 19 Feb 2021 20:56

https://twitter.com/proudhampur/status/ ... 63844?s=20 --->

"When the Man is the Weapon, the Weapon becomes a mere extension of the body!"

A commando practicing Battle Drills, somewhere in Kashmir.

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 17 Mar 2021 19:11

wig · Post by **wig** » 14 Aug 2021 09:44

https://www.indiatoday.in/india-today-i ... 2021-08-13

What makes the Indian Army’s Parachute Brigade so special?
extracts

In the afternoon of December 11, 1971, Brigadier Abdul Qadir Khan and his officers stood on the verandah of the white Circuit House in Tangail, a town 78 km north-west of Dacca. It was a week after the Indian Army’s ‘race to Dhaka’ had been launched, a three-pronged ground offensive to capture the capital of East Pakistan. A Pakistani flag fluttered atop the building. Khan, the 93 Brigade commander and his officers were, in the words of Major Siddique Salik, ‘waiting for some bright idea to come. What came instead, were enemy aircraft, which started dropping men and machines.’

There was dismay as the skies darkened with the silhouettes of IAF An-12s, C-119s and Caribou. As a piece of equipment descended beneath its parachute, an officer exclaimed, ‘My God! That looks like a 3.7-inch howitzer!’ The officers watched as the 2nd battalion of the Indian Army’s Parachute Regiment, over 1,000 paratroopers led by Lt Colonel S.J.S. Pannu, carried out a textbook parachute landing. Later that evening, 2 Para linked up with the advancing 1 Maratha Light Infantry to cut off the 93 Brigade’s retreat towards Dhaka. Five days later, the entire East Pakistan military garrison surrendered to the Indian Army, as recounted in minute detail by Lt General A.A.K. Niazi’s public relations officer Major (later Brigadier) Salik, in his 1977 book, Witness to Surrender.

strength

The Para Brigade comprises three battalions of around 800 soldiers each, backed by BMP-2 Infantry Combat Vehicles, a field artillery regiment, anti-tank and air-defence units, a field hospital, army engineers, signals, ordnance and provost units. The Brigade is fully self-contained because they are designed to be inserted behind enemy lines and hold out until they are joined by the main body of troops. They are designed to be airlifted at a few hours’ notice, the reason why the army almost always reaches for them in an emergency. In 1988, when the Maldives was besieged by mercenaries, president Maumoon Abdul Gayoom dialed then Indian prime minister Rajiv Gandhi for assistance. The Indian Army flew the Para Brigade towards the atoll to repel the coup. During the Nepal earthquake on April 25, 2015, the Brigade’s field hospital and engineer company were the first foreign aid units to land in Kathmandu. Lt General P.J.S. Pannu (no relation), a former deputy chief of army staff, recalls picking up the phone and asking for the Para Brigade commander. “I asked for the 60 Para field hospital to be deployed immediately, in self-contained mode for 15 days.”

jaysimha · Post by **jaysimha** » 02 Sep 2021 18:34

NSG commandos conduct anti-terror mock drill in Bhopal
DNA Video Team Aug 27, 2021, 06:01 PM IST
https://www.dnaindia.com/india/video-ns ... al-2908182

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 24 Sep 2021 06:14

https://twitter.com/indiannavy/status/1 ... 21487?s=20 ---> MARCOS in action

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 24 Sep 2021 14:37

Israeli Tavors and Negevs being replaced already? What is going on and what units are these?

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Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 25 Sep 2021 03:08

I remember reading that this was happening across the board, don't know If it was here or in the small arms thread, Jamwal ji!!

kit · Post by **kit** » 25 Sep 2021 03:59

Looks like the gate crasher type heavy duty setup !.. Rambo style

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 27 Sep 2021 20:06

MARCOS using Helmet Mounted Night Sights from Tata Advance Systems