Discussion on Indian Special Forces

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby dinesh_kimar » 17 Sep 2020 23:08

^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 18 Sep 2020 02:12

dinesh_kimar wrote:^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.


The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ernest » 18 Sep 2020 10:57

ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?


IMO, the acquisition of drum magazine adds to flexibility in choosing equipment based on missions. I mean, it is not like box magazines are being phased out. The team will have more options to choose from when picking equipment for certain roles and missions. Some members that take up a suppressive fire, more static role will benefit from the drum mags. While, the others moving in to capture objectives quickly can continue with box mags.

This is welcome change from a time where out forces had to little option in choosing equipment based on mission needs. e.g. we had problems even getting the 30rd mags for Insas to most infantrymen.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby vikassh » 30 Sep 2020 18:06

Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.



There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rs_singh » 02 Oct 2020 00:45

ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?


Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby ks_sachin » 02 Oct 2020 01:54

Rs_singh wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:
The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?


Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.


The drums are for the Tavors which I cannot see being used as SAWs.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rs_singh » 02 Oct 2020 02:44

A drum for a rifle? I want two of whatever they are smoking.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Jayram » 02 Oct 2020 04:04

vikassh wrote:Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.
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There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.


Thanks for posting. Fascinating stuff.

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Jayram » 02 Oct 2020 06:04

Another one of the Major Vivek Jacob. Same charisma and force of personality
Talks about why he belives why Indians SF is the best in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1rF84XPuA

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rs_singh » 02 Oct 2020 07:55

=== deleted useless post ===

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Re: Discussion on Indian Special Forces

Postby Rs_singh » 02 Oct 2020 21:01

wait, what? why would you delete my post pointing out para sf not being a tier 1 unit. it is not. you realize that right?


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