Discussion on Indian Special Forces

[dinesh_kimar]

^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.

[ks_sachin]

^ seems to be a good idea , Saar.

The TAR has 30 round magazine, and high rate of fire means that sustained firepower can't be delivered.

The polymer drum magazine is light weight, 60 rounds, looks cool like Star Wars Millenium Falcon or HK G-11 rifle. (Remember, the TAR is a bullpup, I urge all stalwarts to see the pics on internet for themselves.)

It's an Israeli innovations, their armed forces using it from internet pics.

We need original thinkers like this in India, who can deliver small modifications of equipment for greater effectiveness.

The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

[ernest]

The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

IMO, the acquisition of drum magazine adds to flexibility in choosing equipment based on missions. I mean, it is not like box magazines are being phased out. The team will have more options to choose from when picking equipment for certain roles and missions. Some members that take up a suppressive fire, more static role will benefit from the drum mags. While, the others moving in to capture objectives quickly can continue with box mags.

This is welcome change from a time where out forces had to little option in choosing equipment based on mission needs. e.g. we had problems even getting the 30rd mags for Insas to most infantrymen.

[vikassh]

Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.



There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.

[Rs_singh]

The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.

[ks_sachin]

The drum magazine is a nice in photo ops but a pain in the neck to reload. Plus how is one going to be carrying it in combat when one needs quick access to spare and filled mags during a firefight?

Think it will be comfortable to wear a couple of drum magazines of your person while you are crawling around the place?

Why do you say it’s a pain to reload? Just to clarify, are you talking about rifles or area suppression weapons here? A drum on a rifle is an absurd idea and the individual who suggested it should volunteer himself as a target for zeroing the rifle with the drum.

However, drum/canister/box for saws is fairly easy to carry on LBVs designed to do this and squad gunners have been doing exactly that for a while. So nothing new here. There are other means/methods too including belt feeder rucks which make you look like John Rambo. Not for conventional military though. More for small groups inserted somewhere where they shouldn’t be, operating alone.

The drums are for the Tavors which I cannot see being used as SAWs.

[Rs_singh]

A drum for a rifle? I want two of whatever they are smoking.

[Jayram]

Came across this video on Youtube sharing story of a ex 9 Para SF guy.
...

There are many more coming up on Youtube in recent times.

Thanks for posting. Fascinating stuff.

[Jayram]

Another one of the Major Vivek Jacob. Same charisma and force of personality
Talks about why he belives why Indians SF is the best in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1rF84XPuA

[Rs_singh]

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[Rs_singh]

wait, what? why would you delete my post pointing out para sf not being a tier 1 unit. it is not. you realize that right?

[sudeepj]

First hand account of Praveen Teotia, who faced Pakistani terrorists in Taj in Op Black Tornado. Gripping account. Wont post the take aways for me, watch it (esp part II) where the former marine commando describes the firefight.

Part I


Part II

[Aditya G]

I liked Commando Teotia. However his story has a question mark.

He claims that he fought terrorists alone for close to half an hour after he was injured. He says that the rest of his prahaar believed that he was dead after the first shots were fired. If he exchanged small arms for half an hour, will rest of the team simply sit outside and wait for it to conclude? They would have made a move.

It appeared to me that he was being defensive, perhaps there was criticism from his peers for his actions on that day. SC award not withstanding

First hand account of Praveen Teotia, who faced Pakistani terrorists in Taj in Op Black Tornado. Gripping account. Wont post the take aways for me, watch it (esp part II) where the former marine commando describes the firefight.

Part I


Part II

[Karan M]

Looks like the OFB made grenade failed. No wonder he was frustrated. He was wounded because of that as he could not move ahead and then the lack of comms meant his team didn't know what he was up to. Enraging.

[Shameek]

^^ He narrated the same incident in the video below. If that grenade had worked, potentially all the terrorists in the Taj would have been killed or injured and the whole scenario would have been different!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHfgJ1jZZDI

[Rakesh]

PARA SPECIAL FORCES | Indian Army

[vikassh]

From today's (Nov. 19, 2020) Nagrota encounter

[jamwal]

It's an older picture from January

[vikassh]

It's an older picture from January

I am sorry. I saw it in yesterday's online HT with Nagrota news and assumed it is from yesterday

[wig]

https://www.indiasentinels.com/opinion/ ... actus-4454

Where Paras Dare: The untold story of Operation Cactus

worth reading in full. extracts do not do justice
extracts

Once upon a time in Maldives

Today, let’s take you back to the winter of 1988 to one such story of grit and glory, seen through the eyes of Brigadier RJS Dhillon (retired), the soldier who was at the forefront and in the thick of action while history was being made. The veteran paratrooper was a major then and was at the spearhead of India’s strike force that carried out the sensational airborne commando operation at Maldives – Operation Cactus, on November 3, 1988.

[Manish_P]

https://www.indiasentinels.com/opinion/where-paras-dare-the-untold-story-of-operation-cactus-4454
Where Paras Dare: The untold story of Operation Cactus
worth reading in full. extracts do not do justice

Wow. Fascinating story with so many details.

India's own combination of the Op Thunderbolt (The raid on Entebbe) with some elements of Op Market Garden.

With unique touches, like Indian troops being recognized due to the turbans of the Sikh soldiers

Hope some one makes a movie of it someday soon, for our younger gen.

Thanks a lot for sharing this.

[wig]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... en%20again.

Army officer feared drowned during exercise in Jodhpur lake
extracts

Jodhpur: An officer from 10 Para was feared drowned in a lake during an exercise in Jodhpur on Thursday. Captain Ankit Gupta jumped into water from a helicopter along with some other personnel as part of a drill to save drowning persons but was not seen again.
A rescue operation was carried out by police, SDRF and civil defence along with army divers but he could not be traced till late at night. SHO (Rajiv Gandhi Nagar) Jai Kishan Soni said a team of 10 Para had undertaken an exercise in Kailana lake on the outskirts of Jodhpur on Thursday afternoon.
As part of the exercise, some jawans jumped into the lake from a helicopter to practice a rescue operation. They were supposed to hold the drowning persons and rescue him safely back to the helicopter. “While all showed up after jumping into the water, Captain Ankit Gupta did not emerge,” Soni said.

[wig]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 159602.cms
Makers of drone used in surgical strike keep it as a souvenir now
excerpts

When the Indian Army’s 9 Para Special Forces conducted the surgical strike crossing Line of Control (LOC) in the wee hours of 29 September, 2016 in retaliation to the Uri terrorist attack, it was a small drone that helped the soldiers escape from the enemy’s ambush.
The drone located enemy’s location by flying ahead of the soldiers giving them an upper hand. It was the only mission carried out by that drone and it is currently preserved as a souvenir of the historic event by its makers in Kalady, Ernakulam. The drone was manufactured by the Kalady-based firm AutomicroUAS Aerotech Pvt Ltd (AMUAS), run by two retired IAF officers Gp Capt M J Augustine Vinod, a Malayali, and his wife Squadron Leader Varsha Kukreti. They custom-made the drone in their Hyderabad laboratory as per the requirements of the Army around a week before the surgical strike without knowing anything about the mission. They had also trained the soldiers to operate the device.

[Prem Kumar]

^ Wow! So, the drone-story in the Uri movie was based on reality (though they made it look like an IIT grad did it).

Group Captain Augustine Vinod is on Twitter

[Mollick.R]

^ Wow! So, the drone-story in the Uri movie was based on reality (though they made it look like an IIT grad did it).
Group Captain Augustine Vinod is on Twitter

hence proved once again , there is always method to madness

[Neilz]

Not sure if this is posted earlier.. This youtube channel is doing short videos on forces. Some of the footage looks like exclusive to them...

https://www.youtube.com/c/HUNT0810/videos

[Neilz]

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/makers-of-drone-used-in-surgical-strike-keep-it-as-a-souvenir-now/articleshow/80159602.cms
Makers of drone used in surgical strike keep it as a souvenir now
excerpts

TOI removed that article and instead put a new one where Army denied the claim... though the company is sticking with the claim..

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kochi/kerala-army-denies-use-of-drone-in-surgical-strikes/articleshow/80183054.cms

“The claims made in the article are factually incorrect since the gadgets mentioned were not used in any operation Further the photograph claimed to be the citation is actually a souvenir presented by a unit of Indian Army to to numerous serving/ veteran officers and men on the occasion of their Golden Jubilee celebrations,”

Meanwhile, AMUAS said it was "disheartening"to see the Army calling the facts incorrect. They said that they took the drone back and kept it as a souvenir with much respect

[Rakesh]

https://twitter.com/SupratikSaumya/stat ... 16353?s=20 ---> Para SF recon.

[Rakesh]

https://twitter.com/akki_bauer22_/statu ... 20672?s=20 ---> Paratrooper Sonam Tshering Tamang awarded Shaurya Chakra. He was part of Rangdori Behak encounter as well. The only member of the 6 man team to survive. Legend.

[Aditya_V]

Very sad, the terrain is tough and Pakis must be SSG to operate in snow and Ambush. We must try and eliminate these through helicopters and long range sniping.

[Atmavik]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ANI/status/1 ... 5505377281

Indian Air Force Special Forces Garuds were deployed extensively in the counter-terrorism role at the Aero India show in Bengaluru. The Garuds created a sniper grid interposed with mobile assault elements both on ground and in air during the show.

[Rakesh]

https://twitter.com/proudhampur/status/ ... 63844?s=20 --->

"When the Man is the Weapon, the Weapon becomes a mere extension of the body!"

A commando practicing Battle Drills, somewhere in Kashmir.