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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 18 Jan 2010 23:28

shameekg wrote:Google maps shows a couple of C130s parked at Agra. Anyone know whose they are? I dont think we have ours yet.

India received the Phalcon on May 25, 2009.

Google Earth's image was taken on Oct 17, 2009

COPE india 2009 was going on then:
COPE India 2009 pics at LIVEFIST
Notice the C-130s and the C-17 were there at Agra.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby rohitvats » 18 Jan 2010 23:36

Gagan wrote:Image


The disputed area boundry alignment is sure incorrect. While the outer claim line is what we take/claim as India-Tibet border, the inner claim line (towards west) is not exactly what China has claimed. During 1962 they advanced only against their present positions and stopped there (even when they could easily advance in most of the sectors, except may be Chusul). So what is the inner/western claim line for? The run of the LAC is for sure not as per the inner/western red line on the map. Any ideas?

PS: Gagan, which map are you using which shows the alignment as such^^^?
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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 18 Jan 2010 23:40

The Agra AFS picture that everyone's talking about. This was taken by google earth during Cope India 2009 on 17 Oct, 2009.
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6 different types of aircraft visible there.

Home work for all BRF Jingos - read up about all six aircraft. They are all going to or have been in IAF service.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Shameek » 18 Jan 2010 23:53

^^ Thanks! That explains it.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 19 Jan 2010 01:06

rohitvats wrote:PS: Gagan, which map are you using which shows the alignment as such^^^?

The normal google earth boundaries.
It is clearly wrong in the Demchock sector. The actual positions in other areas corrosponds to the LAC drawn by them. At least in the areas which are in High res enough to be able to identify structures.
But on the ground, one can understand if the google earth boundary is off by a few meters, but not in the Demchock sector. The actual position as of today is:

Area under chinese control is shown in Red. The Dumchele Tsuskur military post is a chinese post. The 4 lane road they are building is depicted by the yellow line. (For them that road is important to be able to access the area east of the Indus river. (PS: If that road is cut off across the Jara La the chinese would be in trouble. :wink: ) They have another access by the Dumchule pass to this area, but the road there is barely motorable. Maybe they will bolster that too. The north end of this red shaded area is the area where they have been slowly encroaching slyly into indian territory.
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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Jagan » 19 Jan 2010 03:35

Gagan wrote:The Agra AFS picture that everyone's talking about. This was taken by google earth during Cope India 2009 on 17 Oct, 2009.
Image

6 different types of aircraft visible there.

Home work for all BRF Jingos - read up about all six aircraft. They are all going to or have been in IAF service.

Eagle eye missed the second Canberra in the picture ;)

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 19 Jan 2010 06:30

:oops:

The Google earth resolution is not as good as wikipedia. Now I see it. :(

But the "IL-76" between the Phalcon and the C-130s is a IL-78. Refueling pod shadow visible beneath both wings (and a hint of the port side tail pod visible) onlee.
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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby rohitvats » 19 Jan 2010 15:00

Gagan wrote:
rohitvats wrote:PS: Gagan, which map are you using which shows the alignment as such^^^?


The normal google earth boundaries...............<snip>


1. The reason I asked the question is because the two red lines, one in the east and other in the west, are or should be the claim lines for the two parties. The one on the east side is the Indian claim line and other(towards west) is the Chinese claim line. In many of the instances, the LAC runs the course as per the Chinese claim line. This is the line the PLA advanced upto in lot many sectors and even though they could, did not advance beyond the claim line. DBO Complex is prime example of that.

2. In other cases, PLA had to rough out with the IA, especially the stand of 114 Infantry Bde in Chusul. IA was able to secure the positions in some of the cases.

3. In the map shown above, the Chinese claim line actually shows the whole of Pangong So in Tibet while the boundry alignment maps(of claimed territory) that I have seen in some of the books, clearly shows the Chinese claim line running through the middle of Pangong So. And it is exactly where the PLA is. Wikimapia also shows the alignment as I have claimed.

Check the link below and compare the alignment of claimed lines with the ones shows in the map above:

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=33.9410814&lon=78.7857056&z=9&l=0&m=h

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 19 Jan 2010 22:13

The point is, the China does NOT have a definite claim line. How can they have when their annexation of Tibet is itself illegal! They loosely lay claim to all areas where tibetian origin bhuddists people live. To this day, at all border resolution meetings, the chinese come ill prepared, don't mention what exactly is their claim line, and only indulge in chai-biskoot, throw tantrums, behave like pakis and leave. Perhaps the negotiators are sent there to bide their time by their higher ups.

Now recently over the last 10-15 years, China has been indulging in territory grab, and consolidating their hold on territory they already have by building roads infrastructure.

India is guilty for having let the guard down. In New Delhi people were not bothered about what was happening in far far off Fukche and the banks of the indus river. China is not going to find a gold mine in that area it is taking over, neither is india. But then the issue is of national boundaries.

In 1962, the chinese withdrew from a lot of areas, which they held onto, because geography was not conducive to support even a short term territory hold there by their forces. The build up of the Indian army would have sooner or later resulted in them being booted off the territory they hold. They had expended everything they had on the 1962 border war, incurring horrendous casualties, in the initial attacks. India was late in building up, and the build up of troops was too less too late. But the numbers that India could have put up would have resulted in a good old stalemate - a complete = =.

The chinese had held onto Tawang town in Arunachal, but withdrew because of the above mentioned reasons. Today they lay claim to the entire hilly regions of the state of Arunachal Pradesh (Not the plains, only the hills)

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby negi » 20 Jan 2010 03:40

Gagan wrote:India is guilty for having let the guard down. In New Delhi people were not bothered about what was happening in far far off Fukche and the banks of the indus river. China is not going to find a gold mine in that area it is taking over, neither is india. But then the issue is of national boundaries.

Water gagan ji ; check the upper region and the way Siang enters India from Tibet.


Rest of the things will fall in place.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby rohitvats » 20 Jan 2010 10:59

The point is, the China does NOT have a definite claim line. How can they have when their annexation of Tibet is itself illegal! They loosely lay claim to all areas where tibetian origin bhuddists people live. To this day, at all border resolution meetings, the chinese come ill prepared, don't mention what exactly is their claim line, and only indulge in chai-biskoot, throw tantrums, behave like pakis and leave. Perhaps the negotiators are sent there to bide their time by their higher ups.


China for sure has a claim line. The Maxwell book very clearly shows the same for the western sector (I did not refer to eastern sector). And the one on wikimapia map that I linked more or less follows the same alignment. The PLA aim in 1962 was to advance upto the 1960 claim line with express objective of removing any immediate threat to the Xinjiang-Tibet highway. Hence, the aim to capture/throw Indians off from DBO/Chusul/DhemchoK - places which could have served as the jump off point for the assault on the highway.

Just as an info, IA commanders did consider option for an offensive action through the Chusul sector and attack the Aksai-Chin plateau but were declined due to lack of troops and over riding requirement of defending Leh.

As for the legality of occupation of Tibet, it is not relevant. We are facing PLA and not Tibetan troops. There is difference here between theory and things actually on ground.

Now recently over the last 10-15 years, China has been indulging in territory grab, and consolidating their hold on territory they already have by building roads infrastructure.


In a disputed territory (albiet by one side), I would do the same to ensure that I get as much as territory as possible. The fact that we do not do so, is more a commentory on our attitude than anything else.

In 1962, the chinese withdrew from a lot of areas, which they held onto, because geography was not conducive to support even a short term territory hold there by their forces.


That was true for eastern sector. Definitely not for the western sector. They had much better infra in west than east. And we were severly handicapped. They moved upto a particular claim line and stayed put (I have given the reason above). Please refer to the official war history on BR in the Indian Army section. It is quite an impassioned analysis of the events.

The build up of the Indian army would have sooner or later resulted in them being booted off the territory they hold. They had expended everything they had on the 1962 border war, incurring horrendous casualties, in the initial attacks. India was late in building up, and the build up of troops was too less too late. But the numbers that India could have put up would have resulted in a good old stalemate


That assertion is not supported by any evidence on the ground. To this day, even the MOD has not been able to put across the Orbat of PLA forces facing the IA. Orbat.com has one on its website.

Please check the link:

http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/china/sinoindia1962.html

Looking at the level of troops in the orbat above, what makes you think that PLA was an exhausted force? The only place IA offered any organized defence was in Chusul (114 Bde). So even though they suffered horrendous casualties in the frontal/wave type attacks, they were not down and out.

As for the Tawang bit - in 1962, western sector was far more important to the Chinese than Tawang. Tawang has received political importance recently. And as for claiming the entire AP, well, that is simply to ask ofr the maximum, put the other party on backfoot and settle for the goals already decided-all the while showing that one has negotiated.

Added later: THe Regiments in the Orbat above refer to a IA brigade level troops-usually 3 battalions.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby pgbhat » 26 Jan 2010 23:05

may be OT but thought it was still very relevant...
Imagery Analytics revealed 8)

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 10 Feb 2010 07:11

Jammu Srinagar Baramulla Railway line.

BBS Keyhole post

Download KMZ file
Please re download the file. I have made some important changes to it.
The railways have changed the alignment a bit.

There were a lot of troubles at Katra at the site of the Anjikhad Bridge. The ground there is almost mud and sand. There were frequent landslides everytime it rained.

I am sad to report that the bridge there has been abandoned I think. Also the earlier track alignment in the Katra - Quazigand sector was along the mountain sides with many bridges and tunnels and was not straight, with several bridges and tunnels. The new track alignment is quite straight, the number of tunnels and bridges is very less and the distance has been halved! The Anjikhad bridge has also been given up in favour of an alternate route where a much smaller bridge will be needed.

My post has all the stretches of the railway. The katra-qazigand sector is my supposed presumption so far, as nothing is visible on google earth yet. I have also listed all the visible stations in the valley.

1. The track alignment of the 4 sections of the railway line.
2. Stations in the valley
3. Important landmarks such as the highest railway bridge pillar in India, the two major bridges across the chenab.
4. Banihal Tunnel

Inputs and responses are most welcome.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby jamwal » 01 Mar 2010 21:19

Mazgaon docks

Why is this dock in such a high resolution which is not avialable for rest of India ?

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 01 Mar 2010 23:04

This is the Naval Dockyard Mumbai, with the Lions gate, not the the Mazgaon Docks.

If you see this on google earth, starting from the Naval docks, you have the
1. Indira docks, where the first Project 17 Shivalik class stealth frigate, INS shivalik was berthed, just before it was inducted into the navy.
2. Victoria docks
3. Princess docks,

and then the
4. Mazgaon docks and shipbuilders, where you can see two Project 17 shivalik class stealth frigates and three Project 15B kolkata class stealth destroyers being built

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 09 Mar 2010 21:10

Bangalore new international airport now in High res.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Kersi D » 09 Mar 2010 21:56

Gagan wrote:This is the Naval Dockyard Mumbai, with the Lions gate, not the the Mazgaon Docks.

If you see this on google earth, starting from the Naval docks, you have the
1. Indira docks, where the first Project 17 Shivalik class stealth frigate, INS shivalik was berthed, just before it was inducted into the navy.
2. Victoria docks
3. Princess docks,

and then the
4. Mazgaon docks and shipbuilders, where you can see two Project 17 shivalik class stealth frigates and three Project 15B kolkata class stealth destroyers being built



Thanks for the information

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Kersi D » 16 Mar 2010 00:48

I think that Wikimapia gives better resolution than Google Earth. However Google Earth is easier to navigate. I would like to know the BR members views

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 21 Apr 2010 20:59

I agree.
The sheer ease of navigation on google earth is unparalleled, also google earth has several addons that make it very user friendly.
In the western countries, where the street addresses are marked out, one can type in an address in the search bar and GE will take you there.
GE will also plot out a route to a specific address from a given address!

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Postby NRao » 04 Jun 2010 18:38

Gagan wrote:I agree.
The sheer ease of navigation on google earth is unparalleled, also google earth has several addons that make it very user friendly.
In the western countries, where the street addresses are marked out, one can type in an address in the search bar and GE will take you there.
GE will also plot out a route to a specific address from a given address!


* Also gives you "street view" - a stitched view from ground level (you can rotate and follow "down the street")
* provides traffic status on major arterials

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Postby Raveen » 04 Jun 2010 22:31

NRao wrote:
Gagan wrote:I agree.
The sheer ease of navigation on google earth is unparalleled, also google earth has several addons that make it very user friendly.
In the western countries, where the street addresses are marked out, one can type in an address in the search bar and GE will take you there.
GE will also plot out a route to a specific address from a given address!


* Also gives you "street view" - a stitched view from ground level (you can rotate and follow "down the street")
* provides traffic status on major arterials


Sir, you should try Bing maps in that case, blows google away as far as accuracy of directions go and best of all they use MS Photosynth for some pretty amazing views

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Postby Jagan » 04 Jun 2010 22:54

In the western countries, where the street addresses are marked out, one can type in an address in the search bar and GE will take you there.
GE will also plot out a route to a specific address from a given address!


Not just western countries, but it gives directions, routes for Indian cities as well. though we do not have addresses we can creat points and ask it for directions.

Bing - I love the 'Birds Eye View' .. amazing stuff.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby NRao » 04 Jun 2010 23:07

Not a crime, but, Bing seems to have outsourced their "Bird's eye view" and the pictures are OLD (in my area). Some 3-4+ years old.

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Postby Gagan » 05 Jun 2010 01:50

The only problem with Bing is that they don't update their pictures frequently. Compare with Google earth, GE fellows have, NASA, ISIS, digital globe etc on board.
They also release pictures based on political necessities. For example, the released the pic of the chinese latest N sub berthed in a port in Hainan island, then released pictures of their tunnel submarine base. Now they have done this with the Rare Minerals Plant in Mysore. My point being, that google earth is a wonderful tool, but once a company grows to a particluar size, certain political necessities creep in.

I think that Bing has a small UAV which they use to take all those Bird eye view pictures. I have seen one such UAV, it is the size of DRDO's Nishant, and always buzzes around every few days.

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Postby amdavadi » 05 Jun 2010 05:33

If you are in bay area, you know where to find NSA building.... :mrgreen:

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Postby Gagan » 05 Jun 2010 09:40

marimuthu,
sorry for the delay in responding. can you share you email id again?

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Check mail. And please delete your email id.

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Postby Aditya Watts » 05 Jul 2010 05:19

Recently I read here that the MoD wants to operationalize the unused airfield at Bilaspur, C.G. It was interesting to see on Google Maps, as it showed how clean this place is, and the paint seems fresh :) But its quite understandable as the airfield is not being used according to the sources.

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Postby Raveen » 05 Jul 2010 06:07

NRao wrote:Not a crime, but, Bing seems to have outsourced their "Bird's eye view" and the pictures are OLD (in my area). Some 3-4+ years old.


Sir Google is no better...pics of my area are 2-3 years old atleast. Bing has just singed a new deal and they are regularly updating all thier maps, and thier latest view blows Street View out the water...y'all should try it :)

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 07 Jul 2010 13:12

Delhi Airport has been updated with a slightly newer image (Dated April 11 2009), and it shows the New terminal nearing completion.
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Also note the speed with the way things have been done here. This image is only one year older (April 20, 2008) and notice the difference in one year!
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:eek:

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Postby ameya » 10 Jul 2010 18:33

PNQ updated...1 march,10

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Bihanga » 10 Jul 2010 18:46

Gagan wrote:Delhi Airport has been updated with a slightly newer image (Dated April 11 2009), and it shows the New terminal nearing completion..........
:eek:


Delhi Airport looks much more typically to major construction site or some sort of a mining field.



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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Jagan » 26 Oct 2010 04:11

A Sea Harrier Wreck at Dabolim

http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&i ... 02401&z=19

Is not there in 2006 but appears by 2010

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Gagan » 26 Oct 2010 04:35

Jagan saar, aren't they building a ski jump at Dabolim? I think it was supposed to be the complete IAC / Vikramaditya landing deck, so that they could train take off and landings on an actual sized contraption.

No sign yet of anything similar coming up here, though these images are from january?

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby Prasad » 26 Oct 2010 04:41

Gagan,
How will the civilian flights operate if they build a ski-jump on the same runway? A separate runway doesn't look possible given lack of area there.

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Re: Google Earth updates more cities and airports in India

Postby K_Rohit » 26 Oct 2010 04:50

Jagan wrote:A Sea Harrier Wreck at Dabolim

http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&hl=en&i ... 02401&z=19

Is not there in 2006 but appears by 2010


3 points strike me:
1. Apart from the wreck, no SHARs visible!! detachment to Viraat?

2. All 3 IL-38s with SD suite visible for the first time together in one image.

3. Surprisingly, no Kamovs visible as well. Again, detachment to Viraat?

Looks like this was taken when Viraat was off on a cruise...


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