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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Surya » 09 Feb 2016 06:27

got this clip very early today from a friend and not seeing ti anywhere else was not sure whether it was this rescue

had to grit my teeth and keep it to myself

Still not sure if this is of the current incident

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Shameek » 09 Feb 2016 06:43

Wonderful news about Lance Naik Hanamanthappa. All the best to him. Great effort by the rescue team. These are our true heroes. We should be writing books and making movies about them so each Indian can celebrate their bravery and sacrifice!

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 09 Feb 2016 08:00

His family and colleagues prayers finally paid off. He must have had an iron will to endure 6 days buried in that ice. And listen to jawans and officer rescuing him, it's like they are trying to save their own flesh and blood.

This rescue effort is for the history books.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 08:32

My god, he would have severe hypothermia, extensive frost bites!
They might not be able to save all limbs I fear.

6 days without food or water, under the ice in super sub zero temperature! And he was still raising his head!
What an infallible spirit he has!
He must be in a daze, semiconscious, might have survived by eating some of the ice...

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 08:35

So this place looks like it is a camp between Sonam Post and Bana Post.
Sonam has the world's highest helipads. You climb even further across crevasses and rope bridges, and along that big mountain wall from where the ice fell down.
Bana post would be all the way to the top, this might be midway.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 09 Feb 2016 08:42

So glad to know that Lance Naik Hanumathappa Koppad survived. Not only it's a joy to his near and dear ones back home but a big morale booster to to troops deployed in those conditions and elsewhere.

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Postby shiv » 09 Feb 2016 08:53

Gagan wrote:So this place looks like it is a camp

Is there any news report that it's a camp or were they in transit when it happened?

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 09 Feb 2016 09:03

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/696707970546028545

Pictures of another martyr found in day 6. Watch they are using chainsaw to cut solid ice blocks to save folks there.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 09:24

I believe it was a small camp, from the news reports.
It looks like an intermediate transit point in the middle of a slope upwards from a big base camp lower down, to a few small outposts higher up.

If this is where I think this is, it is very high indeed! On the top, they run constant treks along the high mountain side, with the pakistanis several thousand feet below a sheer vertical drop

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 09:34

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One reason why the camp was where it was so that it would be protected from the very terrible winds that must blow at that altitude. That mountain top behind it would give that protection.
Unfortunately if there is an avalanche, and if the ice (not snow) from the mountain wall breaks off, it will be catastrophic.

Gupta's article seems to suggest this is near Bana post.
That mountain top might be the observation post itself, a very small area, at a height of 21,000 ft ! Can't imagine human beings surviving at such a height, let alone living and fighting there !

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 09:44

I am speculating but, the terrain looks familiar ...
I could be completely wrong, as there are no details whatsoever in the media
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Sonam post is further down that arrow, with the worlds highest helipads. This avalanche area may be beyond the service ceiling of all helos, except perhaps the ALH mark 3 and a severely stripped down helo too...

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Sachin » 09 Feb 2016 12:13

Meanwhile.. the liberal & secular elite have started using this sad incident to push the pro-Pakistan agenda. The champion of liberalism and secularism in India - The (anti) Hindu uvaacha:"Why Siachen must be demilitarised "

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 14:55

Lance Naik Hanamanthappa is in Army RR Hospital, Delhi. He has not regained consciousness. Is on ventilator support.
PM and COAS Visit him. His family is being airlifted to delhi

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 16:55

Size of the Ice chunks that fell on the camp
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Ice cutters being used
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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 09 Feb 2016 17:01

6 days without food or water, under the ice in super sub zero temperature! And he was still raising his head!


His blood must have been near freezing under the Ice. the Fast Reheat of the blood (by being taken to the Army Hospital) must be playing Havoc with his insides. :cry: Nam Myoho Renge Kyo

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 17:04

I must say, this is a very well done medical effort.
An intensivist in Thoise! He was probably put on a ventilator in thoise and flown to delhi.

Amazingly NO FROSTBITE !!! Kudos to the protection gear !

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 17:05

The 9 martyrs. Their bodies have been recovered
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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Gagan » 09 Feb 2016 17:07

Avalanche dogs helped locate the soldiers buried under the snow
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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby SSridhar » 09 Feb 2016 17:28

L/Nk Hanamanthappa is not only a very brave solider but also must have been extremely fit (which is taken for granted anyway for anybody serving at Siachen) to survive for five days. Prayers for his complete recovery.

Great, great work by the recovery team and the doctors.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby deejay » 09 Feb 2016 17:46

Gagan wrote:I must say, this is a very well done medical effort.
An intensivist in Thoise! He was probably put on a ventilator in thoise and flown to delhi.

Amazingly NO FROSTBITE !!! Kudos to the protection gear !


Not far from Thoise is one of the best in the world, high altitude forward field hospital at Hundar. All glacier casualties are got here and then taken onward if required.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby tsarkar » 09 Feb 2016 18:16

Thanks for posting the updates, Gagan

From here http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/s ... elatedNews
Heavy equipment and radars have been pressed into service in addition to rescue dogs


Sudeep J & Vasu Raya - We're using ground penetration radars. Imagine the airlift effort to move heavy equipment into Saltoro!

@Sudeep J - Epithet - an adjective or phrase expressing a quality or attribute, in the case of your post, the word "cutting edge"

As you can seen we're using radars and heavy equipment in Siachen, along with dogs - I don't know how many nations use dogs at that high altitude. From the images posted on this thread, you can see we're using all cutting-edge tools and techniques. We've the best medical facilities in the region. Needless to say, our high altitude rescue facilities are second to none.

We just don't do any publicity, which gives a negative impression vis-à-vis publicity of US Forces in BBC, CNN, Discovery, National Geographic.

But as Battle of Takar Gur showed, they lacked the experience that we've painfully gathered over the years.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby tsarkar » 09 Feb 2016 18:24

Sachin wrote:Meanwhile.. the liberal & secular elite have started using this sad incident to push the pro-Pakistan agenda. The champion of liberalism and secularism in India - The (anti) Hindu uvaacha:"Why Siachen must be demilitarised "

I made my post that got published, and also replied to some of the other naïve comments made by well intentioned citizens. I saw Nair Brigade's comments published as well.

One of the things I find is that many of our citizens are naïve & innocent to the perfidy of hostile nations and people.

While in the short term, this has been a source of national weakness, in the long term, this innocence and caring attitude towards all, including hostile people, has been the greatest pillar of strength of our nation.

Descendants of those India had sheltered - the Persian Sam Manekshaw and the Jewish Jake Jacob - were vanguards of our victory over the so-called purest of the pure.

When we fight, we also fight for our naïve & innocent brothers.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 09 Feb 2016 19:06

^^
One can read the above article from a different angle as well. Till now army casualties in north and north-east have been nothing but statistics. This nation was numb and unsympathetic to folks who guard them from the dangers unknown.

But with the advent of social media and few good journalists, awareness in public is increasing. And people are taking notice of every life lost defending this nation.

Maybe this will force politicians to find a lasting solution, who are happy with current status-quo until the next war erupts.

I am personally against the withdrawal, but its not a long term solution. They cannot be posted there taking casualties year after year.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby arshyam » 09 Feb 2016 19:17

2 dogs died during the rescue:

Siachen Avalanche: Soldier Buried Under Snow for 6 Days Rescued Alive - TNIE
Two dogs involved in the rescue operations lost their lives while undergoing the operations under such weather conditions on the glacier.

I suppose the dogs also need to be acclimatized?

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby arshyam » 09 Feb 2016 19:21

PM Modi Sets Aside Security Protocol to Meet Siachen Survivor - ANI via TNIE
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Prime Minister Narendra Modi with Army chief Gen Dalbir Singh and head of the medical team in the ward at a ward of Army s Research Referral Hospital where Lance Naik Hanumanthappa who is critical is being treated in New Delhi on Tuesday | PTI
In an unprecedented move, Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Tuesday set aside his security protocol to meet Lance Naik Hanumanthappa Koppad at the Army Research and Referral Hospital here.

The Prime Minister, who travels in a BMW convoy, took the front seat on a Range Rover car which did not even a have a beacon light.

Moreover, there was not adequate security at the Research and Referral Hospital during the Prime Minister’s silent visit. It appeared that even the Delhi Police was not informed about the same.

The ambulance and jammers, which are part of the Prime Minister’s cavalcade, arrived five minutes later.

Prime Minister Modi after meeting the survivor said that no words are enough to describe the endurance and indomitable spirit of Lance Naik Hanumanthappa.

“He is an outstanding soldier. Team of doctors is attending to Lance Naik Hanumanthappa. We are all hoping & praying for the best,” he tweeted.

Chief of Army Staff General Dalbir Singh earlier met the Madras regiment soldier, who is said to be in a “critical” condition.

Late last night, a rescue team that had been chipping away at ice for days, found Lance Naik Hanumanthappa.

After an avalanche on February 3, Lance Naik Hanamanthappa and nine other soldiers were buried deep under the snow. A wall of ice, a kilometer wide and 800 metres high, came crashing down on their post.

Lance Naik Hanamanthappa was trapped in an air bubble, which saved his life.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Raja Bose » 09 Feb 2016 21:19

Finally we have a leader of our nation we can be proud of. True son of the soil just like that Sikh officer digging out the jawan from the ice with his bare hands while assuring him the everything will be all right. Tweet the video and news of the Modi visit far and wide. Behavior so unlike mafia queen,congis and their suit boot ki aulaad like Rahul Gandhi.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Baikul » 09 Feb 2016 21:30

arshyam wrote:2 dogs died during the rescue:

...........

I suppose the dogs also need to be acclimatized?


I am guessing this emergency would given them little or no time for acclimatisation. These are also bravehearts deserving of our respect.

Edit: The link below says there were two dogs in the rescue party, which would mean both died. For the record, they were Dot and Misha. It must have been hell for them, pressed into service and having to take a huge change in altitude and pressure at a short notice. But they did their duty.

http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/Siachen-Miracle-Over-150-Soldiers-and-2-Dogs-Rescued-Lance-Naik-Hanumanthappa/2016/02/09/article3268886.ece

Specialized rescue dogs were also pressed into service.

"The dogs, Dot and Misha, did a tremendous job," the officials said.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby rohitvats » 09 Feb 2016 22:14

SSridhar wrote:L/Nk Hanamanthappa is not only a very brave solider but also must have been extremely fit (which is taken for granted anyway for anybody serving at Siachen) to survive for five days. Prayers for his complete recovery.

Great, great work by the recovery team and the doctors.


News report say that he was one of the Yoga instructors in the battalion.

Years of Yoga practice could've given him that bit extra to pull through those excruciating hours under the ice.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby rohitvats » 09 Feb 2016 22:27

IA had pressed rescue teams from High Altitude Warfare School (HAWS) and Siachen Battle School for the effort. And I'm pretty sure you'd have men from Ladakh Scouts & SFF even pressed into service. They have a natural acclimatization to high altitude encoded into their genes. The men from HAWS & SBS are amongst the finest and fittest mountain warfare troops in the world.

Looking at the pic of the Labrador dog, one did wonder that he was inadequately clothed for the climate. Mountain dogs have the natural stamina, build and fur coat to survive in these areas. Plus, the exhaustion could've got to them. God did not make man or animal to survive at those altitudes.

BTW - all the news reports talk about location being in the northern glacier. Bilafond La is in the central section. Northern Glacier would mean the post was in the area of Sia La.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Bishwa » 10 Feb 2016 00:55

Rohit,

Bilafondla, Siala etc fall under Northern Glacier.

Chandan, Pahalwan etc fall under Central Glacier.

Bahadur, Dogra etc fall under Southern Glacier

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Raja Bose » 10 Feb 2016 02:21

I hope after this our traditional rudaalis have stfu about lack of equipment or tactics for our Siachen troops. Bandit ji and family have really screwed up the perception of the masses.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby arshyam » 10 Feb 2016 02:40

Here's more from Nitin Gokhale's blog. He has posted 2 excerpts from his book, which are full of details.

Nitin Gokhale wrote:After a detailed study, it has been decided that every soldier who gets deployed on Siachen must get a 6,000 calories per day diet. So specially selected food items that include, chocolates, beverages, eggs and dry fruits, are specially flown into the glacier. In fact, soldiers have an option to choose from over a dozen special items to eat in addition to those available at the base camp and lower altitudes.

Nitin Gokhale wrote:For every battalion that gets deployed in Siachen, fresh supplies have to be provided. At the very least 12 units get rotated in a year on Siachen. Then there are personnel from other arms. So on an average about 15,000 to 20,000 troops get deployed by turns on the glacier in a year! The highest priority however is to supply Category I and Category II items. They include snow clothing, gloves, three pairs of socks, Jacket Down, triple-layer snow suits and survival essentials like the ice axe and crampons. None of these are supposed to be reusable.

Source: http://nitinagokhale.blogspot.com/2016/ ... es-on.html

Nitin Gokhale wrote:Now, a quarter century later, medical and evacuation facilities on the Glacier have improved way beyond imagination with the Army constantly striving to better the situation. Now HAPO bags are available at almost every post which helps soldiers overcome the HAPO syndrome by maintaining atmospheric pressure equivalent to the sea level once they get inside the bag. The soldiers now have the luxury to wait for the helicopter to arrive. Oxygen cylinders, big and small, are available aplenty across the 150-odd posts on the Glacier. The number of medics, called nursing assistants, has also increased exponentially. In fact a whole new ‘Siachen Medical Doctrine’ has evolved (see separate chapter) which has helped bring down medical casualties drastically.

Nitin Gokhale wrote:Most soldiers complain of insomnia at those altitudes. Doctors attribute sleeplessness to lack of oxygen and extreme cold. As a jawan said, all that he managed to do was to sleep fitfully for three to four hours at a stretch. But unlike earlier times, soldiers now manage to take a ‘dry bath’ and change their undergarments every fortnight or so. Now, every post has a common heated tent where soldiers can go, dip their towels in medicated hot water and sponge themselves. This is a big change from the early days.

Nitin Gokhale wrote:“One incident I cannot forget is that during my stay there was an accident on the Pakistani post just about 350 metres away from our post. Their tent caught fire and was reduced to ashes in a matter of minutes. Since we were so close, we shouted across to check if we could help. They declined. Of course, help fetched up for them but I must say, unlike in our case where helicopters fly to every post almost daily, in their case, I saw helicopters coming to their post only twice during my 110 day stay at Pehelwan. When you compare their facilities with ours, one feels proud of our system and our army,” the young, barely in his mid-twenties, Captain tells me on the Base Camp.

Source: http://nitinagokhale.blogspot.com/2016/ ... de-is.html

Also pay attention to how George Fernandes was instrumental in helping improve things.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby Sid » 10 Feb 2016 18:10

Some intricate details on rescue ops. Link also has exclusive video from rescue site.

http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/on-learn ... eststories

Burried under 25 ft of snow boulders.



In the mission to rescue the soldiers, the Indian Army and Air Force flew 300 sorties, moving men and machines like ice cutters, thermal imagers and doppler radars, in broken-down condition, part by part.


The machines were reassembled at 19,600 ft and used to cut through the ice.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby arshyam » 10 Feb 2016 19:57

Nation Prays for Siachen Survivor - Pradip R Sagar, TNIE

NEW DELHI: It took 150 Siachen-hardened soldiers, two dogs and a whole battery of rescue equipment to locate an Indian Army post that was swept away by an avalanche six days ago. And when they located the spot and cleared boulders of ice as big as your living room, they found Lance Naik Hanamanthappa Koppad of 18 Madras Regiment still alive and conscious but drowsy.

Exhausted after a 24X7 search over five days, the Army’s crack rescue team found themselves suddenly energised. Immediately, Hanamanthappa was flown out from the rescue site on a helicopter along with a medical specialist to the Siachen Base Camp, from where he was brought to the Thois air base and subsequently transferred to the Army’s R&R Hospital in Delhi by an IAF aircraft.

There, doctors found him “severely dehydrated, hypothermic, hypoxic, hypoglycemic and in shock”. But despite his five days under tonnes of snow, Hanamanthappa had no cold exposure-related frostbite or bone injuries. He is in coma now, and doctors are hoping he will endure another 24-48 hour window, during which his life systems will wage a “stormy battle”. They characterised his state as “extremely critical”. If he comes through, it would be a Siachen miracle taken to completion.

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Army officials said they are mystified how the soldier survived in conditions of –40 degrees Celsius for six days. One officer said that only Hanamanthappa can explain since he is the only survivor of the post. The soldier was found in an arctic tent or fibre-reinforced hut that was buried deep in ice after an 800 X 400ft wall of ice had broken off and swept the post. “Probably that hut might have been giving him crucial insulation,” said an officer, attempting an explanation. “And probably an air-pocket might have provided him the required oxygen.”

After visiting the soldier in hospital, Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted: “No words are enough to describe the endurance & indomitable spirit of Lance Naik Hanamanthappa. He is an outstanding soldier.”

But there’s still a battle to be fought: A whole phalanx of specialists are attending to Hanamanthappa: intensivists, neurologists, nephrologists, endocrinologists and surgeons.

“He has been placed on a ventilator to protect his airways and lungs,” said the Army’s medical bulletin. “He is expected to have a stormy course in the next 24 to 48 hours due to complications caused by re-warming and establishment of blood flow to the cold parts of the body.” The bulletin read, “He continues to be in shock with low blood pressure. He has pneumonia and his investigations have revealed liver and kidney dysfunction.”

It had taken a whole expedition to reach Hanamanthappa. The highly trained and acclimatised troops were part of the team, who had the arduous task of chipping away at 25-30 ft of blue ice, which is harder than concrete.

The team worked under extreme weather conditions where the average day temperature is –30 degrees Celsius and night temperature below –55 degrees Celsius.

Specialised rescue dogs were also pressed into service. “The dogs, Dot and Misha, did a tremendous job,” the officials said.

Specialized digging and boring equipment, like rock drills, electrical saws and earth augers were flown in. In addition, deep penetration radars, capable of detecting metallic objects and heat signatures at a depth of 20 m, and radio signal detectors were also flown in using Air Force fixed-wing aircraft and Army Aviation helicopters.

The grim lining to this miraculous story is that the bodies of nine of Hanamanthappa’s post were also extricated from their icy grave.

Ever-smiling and cordial

■ Lance Naik Hanamanthappa enrolled in 19th Battalion of the Madras Regiment on October 25, 2002

■ During his 13 years of service, was posted for 10 years in difficult terrain, including Mahore (J&K), from 2003 to 2006 where he was involved in counter insurgency operations

■ He again volunteered to serve with 54 Rashtriya Rifles (MADRAS) in J&K from 2008 to 2010

■ He also served in the North East from 2010 to 2012 where he participated in ops against NDFB and ULFA

■ From Aug 2015, he was serving in the super-high altitude regions of Siachen Glacier and was chosen for deployment at an altitude of 19,600 ft since Dec 2015, encountering temperatures well below –40 degrees Celsius and winds up to 100 km/h

■ Hanamanthappa was highly motivated and physically fit

■ As an individual, he was ever-smiling and shared a cordial relationship with peers and subordinates. He is married to Mahadevi Ashok Bilebal and has a two-year-old daughter Netra

People Across The Country Joined in The Family's Prayers

The entire nation joined in the prayers of the family and friends of Lance Naik Hanumanthappa Koppad, who was pulled out from under tonnes of snow on the Siachen glacier where an Indian Army post was swept away by an avalanche six days ago.

Lt Gen D S Hooda, Northern Army Commander said, “We hope the miracle continues. Pray with us.”

Inspired by the soldier's endurance, ordinary people express across the country joined in the family's prayers. {They have posted some clippings of students from Bengaluru and Chennai in case anyone wants to listen.}
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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby chetak » 11 Feb 2016 00:20

This is how most IA soldiers live in siachen

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby rohitvats » 11 Feb 2016 10:18

Bishwa wrote:Rohit,

Bilafondla, Siala etc fall under Northern Glacier.

Chandan, Pahalwan etc fall under Central Glacier.

Bahadur, Dogra etc fall under Southern Glacier


Thanks. Wasn't aware that Bilafond La was clubbed under northern glacier. BTW, a comment doing rounds on social media says that this was infact the Sonam post.

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Re: Siachen News & Discussion

Postby hnair » 11 Feb 2016 12:24

RIP Jawan Hanumanthappa. You have pushed the extremes of human endurance to hitherto unknown levels and will be remembered


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