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Kargil War Thread - VI

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby manjgu » 25 Nov 2017 13:00

i welcome to meet him chetak...and mind ur language.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby manjgu » 25 Nov 2017 13:01

mail me at manjgu2010@yahoo.com and i will tell u his name..

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby chetak » 25 Nov 2017 13:16

manjgu wrote:mail me at manjgu2010@yahoo.com and i will tell u his name..


not happening.

Please move on and don't take names in a public forum.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby chetak » 25 Nov 2017 13:17

manjgu wrote:i welcome to meet him chetak...and mind ur language.


re read all the posts and see who has to mind the language. :)

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby manjgu » 25 Nov 2017 13:29

chetak bhaisaheb ..i am not disclosing his name on this thread..i said send me a mail and I will tell u. He is retired now and a coursemate of ACM Dhanoa. and if u in delhi ..i invite to wedding of his son on 10th Dec. And yes..check posts and see who has to mind the language. u need to loosen up...dog..broken record and your shrill tone is not very parliamentary.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby chetak » 25 Nov 2017 13:41

manjgu wrote:chetak bhaisaheb ..i am not disclosing his name on this thread..i said send me a mail and I will tell u. He is retired now and a coursemate of ACM Dhanoa. and if u in delhi ..i invite to wedding of his son on 10th Dec. And yes..check posts and see who has to mind the language. u need to loosen up...dog..broken record and your shrill tone is not very parliamentary.


let us agree to disagree and move on before someone swoops down and takes a hard bite.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby nam » 25 Nov 2017 20:58

ramana wrote:
nam wrote:By not crossing the LOC, we made it difficult for us to cross the damn LOC in the future.

Now if we do a Kargil on the Pakis, they will run off to US and shed crocodile tears.

Our leaders will meekly ask our troops to come back.



Only for leaders who want excuses. Every situation requires appropriate response.
Same response all the time is predictable.


The Americans forced Pakis to retreat after it become apparent that India was on the verge of expanding the war. Pakis were in no mood to retreat till then. Why would they retreat for loss of 300-500 men and winter about to set it?

For almost a month & half we went on a useless moral grandstanding and send fine men up hill to certain death. Not even giving them a chance fight the enemy.

We could have told the Paki publicly on day 1, retreat by tomorrow or we are doing a 65. The US would have forced the Pakis to retreat on day 3 when our bombs would have been falling on their airbases.

Because we did not cross the LOC, Pakis was able to drag the war. For all the claims about Pakis isolation during Kargil, they are now better off with 31 billion dollars and brand new F-16s...

We are predictable in that we will never attack Pak, even if they kill our kids like in Kalchuk.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Nov 2017 21:25

I have a different take, the Pakis and Americans pulled out when it apparent Pakistan has militarily lost and remaning Paki soldiers will only be slautered. By Jul9 Iaf had perfected its bombing techniques, Indian artillery had perfected its precision and logistics, Indian soldiers were acclamitized and all the key areas where in Indian Hands. This so called withdrawal is just a face saver. And unlike NATO our leaders did not ensure no boobytrap clauses etc. But quite frankly our miltary capability was also pretty poor in 1999.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby nam » 25 Nov 2017 21:36

500 causalities makes no difference to PA. PA did not accept publicly their troops crossed LOC, so there was no pressure on them to publicly declare a retreat. Which is what they were doing until Sharif's trip in July. Sharif must have gone, once it became fully clear, we are expanding the war.

Given our moral grand standing, we would not have captured areas across LOC. So other than dead men, PA had nothing to pay for this adventure. In return by winter, they could still be holding some peaks.

The fight across the LOC continued even after the July "withdrawal".

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby nam » 25 Nov 2017 21:47

To add to my above comment, we probably realized this, and I think which is why during the Parliament attack we ordered mobilization right away.

This forced the US to twist Mushraff's ears resulting in the television address. Why would Mushi otherwise do a tele, when so far Pakis were claiming nothing to do with Parliament attack?

The same thing would have happened during Kargil.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby nachiket » 29 Nov 2017 05:37

Aditya_V wrote:For those Outside India what does it say for these coordinates 34°31'32.0"N 75°48'18.1"E ?

Inside India.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby viveks » 29 Nov 2017 09:18

folks....if you study human behavior there are 3 different behavioral patterns to witness. "inclination", "compelling outlook" and "strategy that is driven by inclination to produce a compelling outlook". Its like how you want to derive a compelling assumption from the facts presented to you. All murderers are formed from these notions...including Gen. mushrraf who is a mass murderer. Even Indian government responded the way it did to the kargil event within the domain of these ideas. This is the source of all the blood shed that was given out. I dont want to make a further comment on it. As you already know what it leads to.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby A Deshmukh » 29 Nov 2017 10:38

Kargil must be seen in the backdrop of nuke tests.
US and world was against a new upstart nuclear power.
They would have done anything to de-nuke India, by declaring that IndoPak is a nuclear flashpoint.

Not crossing LOC was a deliberate decision, to disarm any such possibility.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Aditya_V » 29 Nov 2017 10:45

nachiket wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:For those Outside India what does it say for these coordinates 34°31'32.0"N 75°48'18.1"E ?

Inside India.

Thanks

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby ramana » 01 Dec 2017 22:53

A recent Vayu circa 2015 had an article on air support in Kargil, Number of sorties and tones of bombs dropped.
Will post a link to that.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Karthik S » 04 Dec 2017 15:52

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During Kargil war, leather shoe companies of Kanpur Mirza Tanners & Superhouse Tannery refused to make mountain shoes for our Army to fight battle.


Did anyone else hear about this? Such things should come under "aiding the enemy".

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Vips » 04 Dec 2017 21:29

IIRC the Owner of this company was the chairman of Council for Leather exports (CLE) for many years and has been on many other Sarkari committees for formulating policies.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby manjgu » 04 Dec 2017 21:31

a bit premature to reach conclusion abt 'aiding the enemy'... without knowing the full facts. what was the reason... maybe they dont have tech / knowledge about mountain shoes... i would reserve my judgement.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Karthik S » 05 Dec 2017 09:11

manjgu wrote:a bit premature to reach conclusion abt 'aiding the enemy'... without knowing the full facts. what was the reason... maybe they dont have tech / knowledge about mountain shoes... i would reserve my judgement.


I'd like to think like you. But you can look up the tweet and replies to it, it might provide more info on this.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby Rakesh » 09 Dec 2017 22:20

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/939173882434551808 —> Great display of equipment, ammo & items recovered from Pakistan Army posts in the Kargil War. On display at the #MilitaryLitFest in Chandigarh.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby viveks » 11 Dec 2017 23:34

Sorry for coming up with something after so long. But I had totally not pictured this and forgot about it. I heard something from a poster that Gen Musharaf needed to be secret in the planning of Kargil. I have not a single dot in my mind that he and has top brass are not mass murderers.

Had he wanted secrecy, he could have used his position there too. Let me bring to light the cuban missile crises. President John F Kennedy secretly and personally telephoned a pilot who was to go and perform reconn mission over cuba. He could not trust the data that was presented to him and so wanted to hear the reports first hand from the pilot who did the mission, by-passing chain of command. This was done to make sure he is taking the correct call in that situation.

This was done in the 60s.

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby tsarkar » 12 Dec 2017 02:34

Karthik S wrote:
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During Kargil war, leather shoe companies of Kanpur Mirza Tanners & Superhouse Tannery refused to make mountain shoes for our Army to fight battle.


Did anyone else hear about this? Such things should come under "aiding the enemy".


Stupid scaremongering by uninformed Ashima Singh.

Leather is inappropriate for extreme cold weather and all cold weather boots are made of felt or specialised proprietary materials like Gore Tex. Hence why would Army or MoD ask a leather company for felt or Gore Tex boots, that is an entirely different material?

I don't think any Indian company manufactures felt / Gore Tex shoes and all shoes for Kargil & Siachen are imported.

It is possible the said Kanpur company was asked for import substitution but they refused because of lack of know how for felt & Gore Tex boots.

Shows the ignorance and stupidity of folks indulging in needless scaremongering on social media completely unaware of materials used in extreme cold weather.

https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/topics/c ... ering-boot

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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

Postby sum » 12 Dec 2017 07:45

^^ Have we indigenised it now or still its all imported given large orders due to year long deployments unlike earlier?


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