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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Aditya_V » 06 Jun 2018 11:10

Considering A&N islands is still very much with India I would say its hogwash, yes Indonasia had plans to seize the Andaman and Nicobar Islands in 1965 after what everyone expected would be an easy Pakistani victory and the Indian nation would crumble- based on way History was written that was the expected outcome for the world at large.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Aarvee » 07 Jun 2018 06:53

That particular reddit thread is just fiction I think. I used to follow it a while ago for the interesting scenarios but lost interest quickly.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby ramana » 27 Jun 2018 02:03

Vizag during WWII and Freedom struggle

http://www.visitvizag.in/worldwar2.asp

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby ashthor » 30 Jun 2018 17:36

https://swarajyamag.com/magazine/kings- ... tional-men

About a few exceptional men who wore the scars of battle and the rank on their uniforms with the same pride as the titles they inherited.

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Postby ramana » 14 Sep 2018 11:30

What a career Lt. Gen..M.K. Lahiri had!

https://www.otasurvivalschool.com/about-chandan-lahiri/

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby wig » 19 Nov 2018 10:49

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/tribute-dogra-soldiers/

The Dogra in World War 1 - Tribute to Dogra Soldiers

excerpted from the above
Over 2500 Dogra soldiers fought Britain’s war. 76 % of them never returned home. I was glad to see a decorated bus with a collage of Indian soldiers and inscription, “Thank You, 1.4 million Indian Soldiers: The Forgotten Heroes of WWI, ‘India.1914.com”, going around in London streets to commemorate their glory. Wish similar gesture was displayed in Jammu. British had less forces in East African theatre as compared to Germany and they made a demand on the State Forces. Maharaja Pratap Singh offered 3 Battalions (Bns) and a Mountain Battery (Mtn Bty). British immediately requisitioned them. Maharaja deputed 2 Kashmir Rifles (KR) commanded by Lt Col Raghubir Singh and 3 KR commanded by Lt Col Durga Singh. 2 KR had 50 % Muslims and the rest were Gorkhas. 3 KR had 50 % Dogras and 50 % Gorkhas. A Troop of J&K Horsed Cavalry under Jem, later Maj Hazra Singh, and 1 Mtn Bty also formed part of the Dogra Contingent. Later 1st KR and two Troops of Kashmir Imperial Lancers were dispatched to Egypt in February 1915. Over 2500 rank and file took part in the 1st world war out of which 76 % laid down their lives for their coloniser. They won lot of battle honours and individual gallantry awards. With that casualty rate and awards, valour of J&K State Forces deserve a mention in the media no matter they fought someone else’s war.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Karthik S » 19 Nov 2018 10:59

Yesterday was the anniversary of Battle at Rezang La.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezang_La#Military_action

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby SBajwa » 07 Dec 2018 01:55

How accurate is this movie about 1967 encounter with China


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2019 20:45

When VP Menon cornored a British General
November 5, 2013,

LK Advani in LK Advani's Blog

Last month, I wrote a blog titled: Dr. Munshi’s Historic Letter to Pandit Nehru.

In the Tailpiece to this blog I had recalled what I had read in a recent Pioneer report that Panditji wanted to refer the Hyderabad issue also to the U.N. Security Council and he had strongly disapproved of Sardar Patel’s decision to send the army into Hyderabad.

The Pioneer report was based on a book written by an IAS officer, one MKK Nair. In my blog relating to Dr. Munshi’s letter, I had said that I have been desperately searching for the book on which the news report was based, but I have not been able to locate it at any bookstore or even in any library. Shri Chandan Mitra, Pioneer Editor also had been unable to get it for me. Through this blog, I appealed to all my readers that I would feel “greatly indebted” to whosoever can procure the book for me. I also asked a senior leader of the Kerala BJP, and a former Parliamentary colleague of mine, Shri O. Rajagopal, to try to locate the book.

I am very happy that these efforts have borne fruit, thanks particularly to Rajagopalji. It appears that the book had been written in Malayalam. The news item in the Pioneer was based on that. The book was in the process of being translated into English. The translator, Shri Gopakumar, has now addressed a letter to me, and along with the letter sent me a copy of the translated manuscript which he writes would be published by the publishers soon after appropriate editing.

Going through the relevant portions of the book, I find that the cabinet meeting which occasioned a sharp exchange between Nehru and Patel on the Hyderabad issue took place shortly before the so called ‘police action’ actually took place in 1948. This was also a phase when Lord Mountbatten had left for London, and Rajaji had become Governor General.

What follows in MKK Nair’s book is an episode which casts a serious reflection on some British army officials hostile to India. Instead of paraphrasing this episode, or giving just its summary, let me put on record what Nair has exactly said in his book titled “The Story of an Era Told without Ill Will”.

Nair writes:

“On April 30, 1948, Indian Army withdrew fully from Hyderabad. After that, Rizvi and the Razakars began to behave licentiously all over the state. Mountbatten had left and Rajaji was the Governor General. Nehru, Rajaji and Patel were all aware of the dangerous situation prevailing in Hyderabad. Patel believed that the army should be sent to put an end to the Nizam’s wantonness. At about that time, the Nizam had sent an emissary to Pakistan and transferred a large sum of money from his Government account in London to Pakistan. At a cabinet meeting, Patel had described these things and demanded that army be sent to end the terror-regime in Hyderabad. Nehru who usually spoke calmly, peacefully and with international etiquette, spoke losing his composure, ‘You are a total communalist. I will never accept your recommendation.”

Patel remained unperturbed but left the room with his papers.

The situation in Hyderabad worsened day by day. Rajaji wanted to find a solution to the basic issue and also conciliate between Nehru and Patel. He called V P Menon and talked to him. VP let Rajaji know that the army was being kept battle-ready and could be asked to attack at any time. Rajaji invited Nehru and Patel to come to Rashtrapati Bhavan (then the Governor General’s house) next day. V P Menon was also asked to be present. As V P Menon was on his way to Rashtrapati Bhavan for the meeting, an ICS officer named Butch (from the State Home Ministry who had conducted discussions for integration of Travancore and Kochi) stopped him and handed over a letter. It was from the British High Commissioner and protested the rape of seventy year old nuns of a convent two days earlier by Razakars. V P Menon handed over the letter to Rajaji when he reached for the meeting.

The meeting at Rashtrapati Bhavan began after Nehru and Patel arrived. Rajaji in his typical style described the situation in Hyderabad. He felt that, to safeguard India’s reputation, a decision should not be delayed any longer. Nehru was concerned about international repercussions. Rajaji then played his trump card – the letter from the British High Commissioner. Nehru read it. His face turned red and veins bulged on his bald head. Anger choked his words. He shot out of his chair, slammed his fist on the table and cried out, ‘Let’s not waste a moment. We’ll teach them a lesson.’

Rajaji immediately told V P Menon, ‘VP, inform the Commander in-Chief to proceed according to the plan’

VP conveyed the order to General Busher. Nehru sat with his head in his hands. He drank tea and remained silent. Rajaji smiled and said: ‘If it is cancer, it has to be removed, even if it is painful.’

VP Menon returned to his office after the meeting and quickly planned the things to be done. The Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan was also an Englishman who nursed feelings of enmity with Indian leaders. When Busher took over from General Lockhart as Commander in-Chief, he had sworn allegiance to India in God’s name. Soon after Busher heard from V P Menon, he instructed Rajendra Singh who asked General Choudhary to begin military action at three next morning. At seven that evening, Busher contacted Karachi and spoke with his counterpart there. The conversation was in French.

Next morning at ten, V P Menon walked into Busher’s room. Assuming that he had come for details of the Hyderabad action, Busher brought him up to date with its progress. VP then said, ‘I know all that. I have come for something else. Did you speak with Pakistan’s Commander in-Chief yesterday evening.’ Hearing this, Busher’s face went pale.

“VP, are you saying that we friends cannot speak with each other?”

“Was that a friendly conversation?”

“Do you doubt it?”

“Why did you speak in French?”

“Have you started tapping telephones?”

“Shouldn’t we if circumstances warrant? Was it really a friendly chat?’

“Of course!”

VP Menon took out a document and gave it to Busher. It was the transcript of the previous evening’s conversation and an English translation which read:

Busher: Attack on Hyderabad begins tonight. Will not last many days. If you must do anything, do so right away.

Pakistan C-in-C: Thanks. Shall inform Liaquat Ali. Jinnah is on his deathbed.

Busher: After I do my duty, I shall be in your hands.’

Busher who had pretended to be offended by telephone-tapping was sweating now. He looked sorrowfully at V P Menon and said, ‘What should I do, VP? I have made a mistake. I am sorry.’

V P Menon asked him, ‘Did you not swear allegiance to India in the name of God, with your hand on the Bible?’

Busher: ‘VP, please save me. I am willing to atone for what I have done. Don’t humiliate me. Help me for our old friendship.’

V P Menon obtained a letter from Busher that read, ‘I resign on personal and health grounds. Please accept it immediately’ and left. General Cariappa was then given charge of the Indian Army
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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ArjunPandit » 23 Jan 2019 21:00

^^this should not come as a surprise, given the entire Gilgit baltistan episode was instigated by the brishits.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby arshyam » 23 Jan 2019 22:14

That guy should have been been court martialled and stripped of his rank, with a corresponding jail term right here in India. Price for treachery. By making him just resign, he probably went back home to a comfortable pension.

On the other hand, our government refused to reinstate any soldier from the INA as they had deserted the Army earlier. A far less crime of conscience than that of these gora traitors.

Any idea what happened to this guy?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby sudeepj » 23 Jan 2019 22:49

The meeting at Rashtrapati Bhavan began after Nehru and Patel arrived. Rajaji in his typical style described the situation in Hyderabad. He felt that, to safeguard India’s reputation, a decision should not be delayed any longer. Nehru was concerned about international repercussions. Rajaji then played his trump card – the letter from the British High Commissioner. Nehru read it. His face turned red and veins bulged on his bald head. Anger choked his words. He shot out of his chair, slammed his fist on the table and cried out, ‘Let’s not waste a moment. We’ll teach them a lesson.’


So the murders of 50,000 Indians and no doubt, the rapes of thousands of Hindu women were not enough to move Nehru the great and weigh the scales. It took the rapes of a few Englis nuns. :lol: :|

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby arshyam » 23 Jan 2019 23:00

Being the last Englishman to rule India, why is it surprising?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 23 Jan 2019 23:35

arshyam wrote:That guy should have been been court martialled and stripped of his rank, with a corresponding jail term right here in India. Price for treachery. By making him just resign, he probably went back home to a comfortable pension.

On the other hand, our government refused to reinstate any soldier from the INA as they had deserted the Army earlier. A far less crime of conscience than that of these gora traitors.

Any idea what happened to this guy?


The offence was treason.

He would have been cashiered and sent out in disgrace.

his best option thereafter would have been to put a gun to his mouth.

no general could have survived a proven charge of treason without taking matters into his own hands.

yindoos are forgiving onlee.

the pakis would have skewered him then and there, immediate arrest followed by a very short court martial.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2019 23:46

I checked his wiki
He retired as a honorary general and must have got a good pkg

He was armchair general and never saw combat
Hence a ideal banditji certified candidate for coas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Bucher

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Rakesh » 24 Jan 2019 05:38

Thank you chetak for posting this.

Gaddari Ki Saza, Maut Hai - Major Gaurav Arya (retd).

And this picture was taken at Roy Bucher's retirement send off. I will never call him General again. He does not deserve that title.

I got that picture from this link, which has some very interesting info ---> http://normanby.info/bucher.htm

General Sir Roy Bucher (the outgoing C-in-C) and Lady Bucher at Government House, New Delhi, when they lunched with his Excellency, Shri. C. Rajagopalachari, and the new Commander-in-Chief, General K. M. Cariappa.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby chetak » 26 Jan 2019 03:28

x posted from the Indian Army thread


The Sikh Regiment, the most highly decorated Regiment of the Indian Army, is the only one that salutes twice on Republic Day: Once to the President of India, and once at Gurudwara Sisganj Sahib to honor Guru Tegh Bahadur ji, who was beheaded at that spot by Aurangzeb.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Rakesh » 26 Jan 2019 19:28

Time to Award Bharat Ratna to Sam Manekshaw
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/time ... manekshaw/

By Ganapathy Vanchinathan - Senior Fellow at CLAWS

29 June 2015

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby JayS » 27 Jan 2019 02:58

I remember when Manekshaw died, no senior mantri, Officer from GOI, PM, President attended his funeral. Even all the three Chiefs skipped, not even IA Chief attended funeral of the Field Marshel. When he was alive he had to face issues with pension and all for years. Such is the treatment we give to one of the highest decorated Soldiers, the topmost officer and a War Hero.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby Suresh S » 28 Jan 2019 01:29

Ever since the day general Sam bahadur died there is pain in my heart. The disrespect shown to one of India,s great sons is Disgusting. In my book General manekshaw must be given a proper buriel deserving of a great son of India with everyone including the three chiefs and Prime Minister and his cabinet present .He must be given the Bharat Ratna, for once to a man that actually deserves it.

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Re: Indian Army History Thread

Postby wig » 29 Jan 2019 17:02

www.ourstory.info/library/4-ww2/Tiger/t ... l0k3_42eOM

link to history of ops conducted by the fourth, eighth and tenth Indian Divisions during WW2

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Postby Rakesh » 01 Feb 2019 04:42

https://twitter.com/Prodef_blr/status/1 ... 1444968453 ---> Remembering Field Marshal Kodandera Madappa Cariappa, the first Commander in Chief of Independent India on his birthday today. He was born on 28 January 1899.

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https://twitter.com/rashtrapatibhvn/sta ... 3302894593 ---> Being handed the Field Marshal’s baton (bottom photo). Only a Field Marshal/five star general carries a baton and salutes with his baton.

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