UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby deejay » 03 May 2018 12:54

srai wrote:
deejay wrote:What the GOI will allow and not allow is a different matter. Is it our doctrine? Don't make claims if you are not sure.

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Doctrine is not only defined by the armed forces :)


You have little understanding then. Doctrine is defined by the General Staff and we equip accordingly.

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Postby srai » 03 May 2018 13:10

Ok. I'll leave it at that. I stand by my statements.

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Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2018 05:04

Sputnik....FWIW...

Predator Drones Unlikely to Find Takers in India Despite Strong Pitching by US
https://sputniknews.com/military/201805 ... ale-india/

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Postby Rakesh » 04 May 2018 05:04

Video in link below. No news article.

Indian Air Force to get a new hand with special auto-pilot chopper Navik
http://www.newsnation.in/videos/india/i ... ik-8/39193

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Postby SaiK » 10 May 2018 14:19

'DRDO Is Taking New Challenges In AI And Robotics That Will Act As Force Multipliers’

http://www.businessworld.in/article/-DR ... 18-148714/

BW Businessworld’s Manish Kumar Jha catches up with DRDO Chairman and Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, S. Christopher, for an exclusive interview

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09 May, 2018
by Manish Kumar Jha

The Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) is an apogee among institutions under the government’s Department of Defence Research and Development. It has since 1958, been indigenously developing military technology, weapons and equipment for the Indian Armed Forces.

It has received both bouquets for India’s home-grown missiles technology (Agni-V, NAG and the long-range LRSAM), rocket systems (Pinaka) and platforms – and brickbats for time and cost overruns. BW Businessworld’s Manish Kumar Jha catches up with DRDO Chairman and Secretary, Department of Defence R&D, S. Christopher, for an exclusive interview.

Next generation technology is going to influence warfare in the future. Please tell us about these new developments
War is serious business, as it tends to drain the economy, development and social fabric of any nation involved. Future wars would be short, swift, accurate and gain an upper hand during bargaining. That brings us to the importance of technology in futuristic wars affecting military doctrine and strategy. New dimensions of threat are posing radically new questions, demanding fundamentally new answers, buttressed by unconventional mindsets and integration of methods that facilitate both. The DRDO has identified specific technologies for low level of readiness and high strategic value, where scientific investigations are urgently required in laboratories, through modeling and simulation.

In the future, Artificial Intelligence (AI), cyber elements, smart materials, smart ammunition, Soldier as a System, Military Robotics and Unmanned Systems, Network Centric, surveillance, long-range accurate weapons and systems, mobile launch pads and stealth technology will incapacitate the enemy, even before a full-scale war begins. They would also play a pivotal role in safeguarding our own assets. The aim would be to create an effect, without sending a soldier to a hostile land.

Joint initiatives are on between the DRDO and academia at various Centres of Excellence for multi-institutional collaborative and directed research under technology verticals, like Directed Energy Technologies, Secure System and Cognition, Unmanned Systems and Robotics Technologies, Quantum Computing, Photonics, Plasmonics and Smart and Intelligent materials. These areas have been identified based on the requirements of future defence systems and where further scientific investigations are required to enhance indigenous capabilities.

The DRDO has earmarked Rs 18,000 crore for research and development (R&D) in the current year? Is it enough for your ongoing and next generation research?

Research and Development is a continuous process which also involves creating infrastructure for strategic projects apart from the cost involved in R&D. Investment in R&D is vital for the Make in India initiative. The Rs 18,000 crore allocated in this financial year will set things rolling, of which nearly 25 per cent - 30 per cent will go into newer projects, such as stealth technology for unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) and next generation critical technologies for Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), Next Gen integrated EW system, indigenous technology for cruise missile etc. We have a proposal to develop BrahMos next generation missiles. Funds have never hindered progress.

Where do we stand in the landscape of global research now when the Defence Production Policy 2018 envisions India as a global leader, especially in AI?

Modernisation of our Armed Forces is an on-going process and information technology plays a very crucial role in the process. In this context, keeping the roles of Artificial Intelligence, Robotics, and Drones as vital, the DRDO has carried out a number of Army-specific projects. The Artillery Command Control and Communication System (ACCCS) called Project ‘Shakti’, developed in the 1990’s, has the third generation version that is now being deployed.

The DRDO’s Centre for AI and Robotics (CAIR) has developed robots for various kinds of inspection for aerospace manufacturing and nuclear reactor maintenance. Another DRDO laboratory Aeronautical Development Establishment, Bengaluru has developed the ‘Nishant’ and ‘Rustom’ variants of the UAVs for defence applications.

A high performance computing facility is being set up in Hyderabad. Through these initiatives, the DRDO hopes to deliver critical AI and robotics technologies required for network-centric warfare capability and superiority of information of our Armed Forces.

The DRDO is taking new challenges in AI and robotics that would act as force multipliers for our Armed Forces. We can confidently say that we are on par with many developed nations of the world and are catching up with the most advanced ones.

What is the objective of the proposed Innovation for Defence Excellence (iDEX)?

The iDEX has been recently launched by the Prime Minister at DefExpo 2018, Chennai.
The main objective of iDEX is to develop an ecosystem to foster innovation and technology development in defence and aerospace by involving industries including MSMEs, startups, individual innovators, R&D institutes and academia and provide them grants or funding and other support for R&D. The iDEX will enable funding, guidance, handholding, users’ engagement and facilitation.

The DRDO is slated to show cutting-edge technological platform and benchmark for UCAV Ghatak and SWiFT. Could you elaborate ?

Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles (UCAV) are envisaged for complex missions where several types of aircraft and ground and Naval Forces may be present. The UCAV (Project GHATAK) around modified KAVERI dry engine and stealth technology is being taken up on a fast track.

The objective of SWiFT (Stealth wing Flying Testbed) is to develop a flying wing test bed to demonstrate capabilities and technologies for future UCAV.

Do you foresee substantial R&D by private players?

The Government of India is in the process of bringing out a new Defence Production Policy 2018 which encourages participation of private industries in R&D and production. It also encourages MSMEs, which may utilise DRDO test facilities.

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby Neshant » 15 May 2018 14:44

Google will eventually grow to be a defence company supplying hundreds of billions of next generation AI systems.

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Google Employees Revolt, Refuse To Work On Clandestine AI Drone Project For The Pentagon

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05- ... t-pentagon

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Postby manjgu » 15 May 2018 17:24

deejay..a minor quibble..military doctrine is set by the military in response to national military objectives ( which are set by govt) , threats. Cold start doctrine is set by Army to pursue national aim of cutting Pakistan ... Militrary doctrine then drives accquisition, creation of infrastructure etc.

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Postby pravula » 16 May 2018 03:37

Neshant wrote:Google will eventually grow to be a defence company supplying hundreds of billions of next generation AI systems.

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Google Employees Revolt, Refuse To Work On Clandestine AI Drone Project For The Pentagon

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05- ... t-pentagon


Well, they sold Boston Dynamics. So, no T-800s

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Postby jaysimha » 16 May 2018 17:35

I think this belongs to this thread
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Indian Armed Forces employ a host of air defence (AD) weapons comprising guns,
surface to air missiles (SAMs), Air to Air Missiles (AAMs) along with their associated
command, control and support infrastructure to counter the expanding air threat. It is
imperative to have realistic targets to conduct live firing of these AD weapons. One of the
ideal targets for this requirement is a Manouverable Expendable Aerial Target (MEAT) which
is capable of manouvering like a real target. There is a need for indigenous development of
MEAT as the present requirement is being met ex-import.

http://www.makeinindiadefence.gov.in/MEAT%20EoI%20%2017%20Apr%20%2018%20Final%20(3).pdf

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby Arun.prabhu » 16 May 2018 18:11

Google is very likely a front for American intelligence apparatus. Sergey Brin got his seed money for his research from CIA, I believe. They designed and built search algorithms for the CIA.

Neshant wrote:Google will eventually grow to be a defence company supplying hundreds of billions of next generation AI systems.

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Google Employees Revolt, Refuse To Work On Clandestine AI Drone Project For The Pentagon

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05- ... t-pentagon

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Postby Neshant » 17 May 2018 14:24

AI is going to be as important as the 3 branches of the military.

China is pouring huge investments into it primarily from the military angle, which India cannot hope to even match at 25% of scale.

At best India can pray that the Tatas and Wipros are at least not falling too far behind. Their AI platforms however are more targetted at business rather than military usages.


Article from 2016 on Wipro's Holmes - which I guess could be adapted for military usages.
The babuz in the military should be talking to these companies for building drone related AI intel payloads instead of trying to get DRDO to do it which takes ages.

Embattled Wipro hopes for Holmes to imitate Watson to solve its current problems
https://www.zdnet.com/article/embattled ... -problems/

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Postby Manish_P » 07 Jun 2018 16:35

Indigenous device all set to track-and-kill enemy drones

A working prototype of India’s first indigenous technology to search, track and kill enemy drones is ready in Bengaluru


At Kalghatgi, former BEL director (R&D), who retired last week, told TOI that BEL has approached user agencies and the first field demo could happen within two months. “Since it’s a prototype, we developed a low-range product that works in the range of 3-5km. But we can change the radar and increase the range depending on user requirements,” Kalghatgi said.


The soft-kill option has a jammer that can interfere with the drone’s electronics and radio frequency. As these are piloted remotely, they rely on signals from the pilot and jamming prevents her from communicating with the drone. “Our technology can disable a drone in the range of 50 metre to 3km. This can be enhanced based on user needs,” he said. The hard-kill option uses lasers.



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Postby Indranil » 27 Jul 2018 01:14

JayS wrote:ADE has put up a tender for WT model of flying wing UAV with wingspan 5.0m, length 4.0m and height 0.631m. Which one might that be..? Any bright ideas..? Ghatak..?

More details of Ghatak TD (Swift) have come out. Weighs around 1000 kg. So, it going to be powered by the 36 MT or Manik.

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Postby Kakarat » 03 Aug 2018 00:59

https://twitter.com/writetake/status/10 ... 8842354690

CVRDE Chennai has designed & developed a desi landing gear (2.0 tonne class) for #Rustom-2. The maiden flight of #Rustom-2 with new landing gear was successfully carried out today at ATR Chitradurga.


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Postby Katare » 03 Aug 2018 09:18

She beeeg....

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Postby Katare » 03 Aug 2018 09:22

Indranil wrote:
JayS wrote:ADE has put up a tender for WT model of flying wing UAV with wingspan 5.0m, length 4.0m and height 0.631m. Which one might that be..? Any bright ideas..? Ghatak..?

More details of Ghatak TD (Swift) have come out. Weighs around 1000 kg. So, it going to be powered by the 36 MT or Manik.


Ghatak will use dry Kaveri so you are sayingcthat swift is TD version of Ghatak and it’ll use manik or mt36?

1000kg seems too small for Ghatak even in a reduced size TD to me. I think th se are two separate programs. Swift might be the enabling technology for post ghatak UCAVS.

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Postby Indranil » 03 Aug 2018 10:55

No. ADE calls Swift as UAVTD.

I think Tarmak has got it wrong. CVRDE had already designed a 2 ton LG for Rustom. It was designing a 3 ton version. This seems like that.

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Postby Zynda » 03 Aug 2018 21:07

^^IR, AFAIK, Swift is Swift onlee (actually stands for Stealth Wing Flying Testbed). Scaled down version of Ghatak. Will be used to demo & certify certain technologies that have never been done in India, which will eventually be used on Ghatak.

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Postby ramana » 03 Aug 2018 21:18

Zynda, I am asking you this.
Please write a short two pager on the state of UAVs' in India.
We had this thread since 2007 and for the life of me I cant discern where does India stand with respect to UAVs.

Maybe summarize these two pdfs.


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Postby Indranil » 03 Aug 2018 23:08

Zynda wrote:^^IR, AFAIK, Swift is Swift onlee (actually stands for Stealth Wing Flying Testbed). Scaled down version of Ghatak. Will be used to demo & certify certain technologies that have never been done in India, which will eventually be used on Ghatak.

You could be right. But, I know that ADE was collaborating with IITK on Swift. UAVTD (from ADE) is also a stealth flying wing.

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Postby Rahul M » 04 Aug 2018 00:31

Indranil wrote:No. ADE calls Swift as UAVTD.

I think Tarmak has got it wrong. CVRDE had already designed a 2 ton LG for Rustom. It was designing a 3 ton version. This seems like that.

not as per this handle https://twitter.com/Def_PRO_Chennai/sta ... 6587222017

and I do think it belongs to the official PRO.

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby Indranil » 04 Aug 2018 01:04

I may be wrong. CVRDE has been at this one for the past 5 years. It has already designed a LG for the 3 ton class. It is issuing tenders for parts for the same.

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Postby Manish_P » 05 Aug 2018 11:48

First assassination attempt on a Head of State by a Drone ?

Venezuela President Maduro 'survives drone attack'

Mr Maduro was speaking at a military event in Caracas when the alleged attack occurred.

Live footage of Mr Maduro's speech shows the president suddenly looking upwards - startled - and dozens of soldiers running away.

Mr Maduro has blamed Colombia for the attack - something denied by Bogota as a "baseless" accusation.

Seven soldiers were injured, and several people were later arrested, the Venezuelan authorities said.

Two drones loaded with explosives went off near the president's stand, Communications Minister Jorge Rodriguez said.


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Postby Neshant » 06 Aug 2018 00:03

Manish_P wrote:First assassination attempt on a Head of State by a Drone ?


A wake up call for India given the number of terrorist threats the country faces.

This attack was supposedly the handiwork of US backed groups trying to kill President Maduro according to Venezuela.

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Postby Indranil » 06 Aug 2018 22:52

HAL has developed a rotary UAV demonstrator with 1 hour endurance and 10 km radius. This was to develop many technologies auto-TOL, loiter waypoint navigation etc. The helicopter by itself is an off the shelf buy (but that is not the point). The control is what they were developing. It was important for them to showcase these design capabilities so that they can now move on to a larger helicopter (Campcopter-sized).

Good work!

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Postby ramana » 07 Aug 2018 01:19

Indranil or Kakarat in the Rustom Wheels picture is the righthand wheels for the nose and the other two for the aft wheels?

One question why they chose a single shear design for the wheel shown in Left-Hand side picture?

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Postby Kakarat » 07 Aug 2018 11:00

Yes sir you are right the righthand side is the nose and the other is the main landing gear wheels

Though i am not sure I think the single shear design is for saving internal space in retracted position

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Postby Indranil » 07 Aug 2018 11:34

I don't know the reason either. But, isn't single shear design the more common design for single wheeled MLGs?

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Postby Neela » 07 Aug 2018 11:44

Indranil wrote:HAL has developed a rotary UAV demonstrator with 1 hour endurance and 10 km radius. This was to develop many technologies auto-TOL, loiter waypoint navigation etc. The helicopter by itself is an off the shelf buy (but that is not the point). The control is what they were developing. It was important for them to showcase these design capabilities so that they can now move on to a larger helicopter (Campcopter-sized).

Good work!


IR, you mean this one?

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@HALHQBLR
: The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited successfully demonstrated flight of a 10Kg Rotary Wing (Helicopter) Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (RUAV) here in the presence of its Board of Directors, recently.
@DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD



The RUAV is of a 2-stroke petrol engine, twin blade main rotor and tail rotor, payload capability of 2.5Kg including live stream video camera and range of the vehicle is 8-10 Km with an endurance of one hour.
@DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD


To achieve self reliance in the aviation field and to enhance its R&D efforts, HAL is working closely with premier educational institutes and has established chairs at IITs (Madras, Roorkee,Kharagpur,Bombay, Kanpur)@DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD



and IISc Bengaluru. The RUAV is developed in association with IIT Kanpur and is the first outcome of HAL’s tie-ups with academia.@DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD




With this demo, HAL’s Rotary Wing R&D Centre (RWR&DC) is well poised to employ its skills and capabilities to undertake development of Rotary UAVs of higher weight classes and weapons as payloads. @DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD


The success is the testimony of the Industry-academia collaboration, says Mr. T. Suvarna Raju, CMD-HAL @DefProdnIndia @drajaykumar_ias @DefenceMinIndia @SpokespersonMoD

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Postby Neela » 07 Aug 2018 11:48

Incidentally Shiv Aroor was mocking at this saying this can be bought online.

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Postby Aditya_V » 07 Aug 2018 11:59

Rotary UAV if fitted with a radar and dunking sonar can be very useful for the navy, imagine each capital ship with its own early warning rotary UAV giving early warning from 500-1000 ft up on any sea skimming missiles, and similarly a rotary UAV willing to fly 1km away and randomly dunk its sonar away from the ships own noise to check for any lurking subs, after eliminating Humans related equipment cockpit and instruments, these will be much lighter and have better endurance that a capital ship can probably carry 5 of these in addition to 1 manned helicopter to give high altitude 24*7 radar coverage to the Battle group as well as sonar coverage as well as quickly prosecute a target by flying to the place and dropping a lightweight torpedo.

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Postby Indranil » 07 Aug 2018 12:11

Neela wrote:
Indranil wrote:HAL has developed a rotary UAV demonstrator with 1 hour endurance and 10 km radius. This was to develop many technologies auto-TOL, loiter waypoint navigation etc. The helicopter by itself is an off the shelf buy (but that is not the point). The control is what they were developing. It was important for them to showcase these design capabilities so that they can now move on to a larger helicopter (Campcopter-sized).

Good work!


IR, you mean this one?

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Yes.

Neela wrote:Incidentally Shiv Aroor was mocking at this saying this can be bought online.

People who mock the off-the-shelf airframe buy, do not even understand what the project is about. ADE is doing its own parallel project and it is also buying Bergen airframes (2 nos.) off the shelf.

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Postby Singha » 07 Aug 2018 12:46

the changu mangu DJI / Parrot(french) drones are restricted to line of sight (few 100mts) and fair weather. every travel vlogger has one in backpack.

a security grade soln needs much better datalink and wind/bad weather capability/waypoints/autonomous navigation/auto return home/FLIR sensor/ruggedness to withstand crashes/speed/endurance ....

cost and complexity rise by leaps and bounds.

battery powered toys need not apply.

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Postby Neela » 07 Aug 2018 13:30

DJI (China) has professional and industrial drones with ranges 7km + , payloads of 10kg. Immensely popular with serious hobbyists worldwide.
The range of drones they have is truly amazing.

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Postby Neela » 07 Aug 2018 16:43

Very detailed explanation of efforts & knowledge gained on RUAV mentioned above.
Entire video is worth watching though


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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby ramana » 08 Aug 2018 00:45

Rotary helicopter dynamics is quite complex. And to have unmanned is even more challenging. Soon HAl can scale it up.

Glad IITK is the cognisant on this program.

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Postby Indranil » 08 Aug 2018 04:15

I was aware of these developments. The contest where Vibram came third was a happy occasion for me. The people who came first were also my friends.

But I was not aware of the tandem heli in the background of Dr. Abhshek.

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Re: UAVs, Drones, Remote Surveillance Tech

Postby Rishi_Tri » 14 Aug 2018 03:09

Rustom I Look Alike - Rutan VariEze

https://twitter.com/RishiTri76/status/1 ... 3804176386

We are doing some reverse engineering and making it work. Not bad.


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