dinesh_kimar wrote:^ Saar, good points to ponder, no doubt, on how India has been taken to cleaners.
But the law remains the same - owner can do what he wants.
1. Mig 29 modified by BRD, at 1/100th the cost of Russian OEM. Russians did not sue us, as we own the planes.
2. Sea Harrier and Rolls Royce Pegasus LUSH upgrade - done by Naval Station Goa. No negotiation with BaE or ROLLS ROYCE at all. All done by IN-HAL.
No sueing by British. UK
3. FAA regulations on Modified aircraft lay the onus of certification on owner, not design authority.
4. The Jaguar Hydraulic system mod by HAL, Brits did not sue , but copied our modification.
Being Brits, they would have sued us for modifying it, but cannot.
Once successful and britshit approved, the britshits bought the rights to use the mod.
nothing is free.
don't quote FAA regulations here, they are not applicable and are used, if at all, more as an unofficial advisory and a rough guideline.
When DGCA regulations are not applicable for the jaguar, how come FAA is?? and, BTW, don't the proud britshits have their own CAA and how come a brit military aircraft goes by the FAA when they don't go by the CAA??
The jaguar is anglo french and what of the french DGAC?? would the french accept the hegemony of the FAA on their military aircraft??
BTW, IN is not foolish to let HAL fiddle with an engine completely unknown to it, with no trained inspectors to clear the mod, HAL would not have touched it on their own.
There is/was a permanently stationed RR rep in Goa for the pegasus support and he has been there for donkey's years.
Regarding LUSH, the limited upgrade Sea Harrier (LUSH) programme upgrading the engines. At best, the mod kits would have come from the UK, bought and paid for, with work package clearly described and the gadda मजदूरी/majaduri labor work done by HAL engine div and inspected and cleared by the IN inspectors. This would have been done to reduce the overall cost of the package which would have been very much higher using britshit labor.
I bet you any money that HAL is incapable of doing such design work.
HAL could not even make a replacement radome for the harrier because they did not have the design capability and the britshits refused to part with the required design data demanded by HAL.
When the Do 228s first came to the CG, it was difficult to service and operate. Over the course of many months the CG suggested and forced Dornier to introduce many many modifications, some of which were so logical that the germans were taken aback but they also happily cooperated wherever they were convinced and did the mods free of cost.
The first time the CG accepted the HAL made Dornier 228, it was a completely, totally and disastrously humiliating, miserably shameful and absolutely pathetic experience for HAL. Nothing worked as it should have done on a brand new aircraft. It took them over two weeks to rectify, 20 odd hours of flight test and deliver to the CG's complete satisfaction and as legally enforceable and specified, contractually agreed upon delivery standards.
Mind you, this was an aircraft that had already been certified by HAL engineers, and after "flight tests" by test pilots, pronounced ready for customer acceptance in all respects.
It was the totally the CGs fault you see, because they used the same acceptance procedures that they had used in germany to accept their first few flyaway Dorniers.
Apparently, aircraft acceptance procedures in Germany and in India for the same aircraft differ enormously.
dinesh_kimar ji, let us end this discussion here.
No more from me.