Indian Military/Defence Exports

pravula · Post by **pravula** » 04 Nov 2022 10:33

NRao wrote:^^^^^

Engine. Achilles heel.

Will allow HAL to decouple from IAF.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 07 Nov 2022 15:03

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/pm- ... 64179.html

[quote]Prime Minister Narendra Modi has given the target of achieving USD 5 billion in defence exports by 2025, said BrahMos Aerospace Chairman Atul D Rane, adding that they are hoping for more orders from the Philippines.

He also said BrahMos Aerospace is hoping that it should alone be able to achieve that figure by that time /quote]

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 09 Nov 2022 12:25

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 460_1.html

Kalyani Strategic Systems, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the company, has been awarded an export order for a 155mm artillery gun platform.

The order is to be executed over a 3-year timeframe. The total value of the order is $155.50 million

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 09 Nov 2022 12:36

Saudi Arabia was showing interest in the Bharat 52 from Kalyani. The Government had also granted an export clearance for the system.

Hoping that it an export to Saudi Arabia itself.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 09 Nov 2022 14:38

Pratyush wrote:...

Hoping that it an export to Saudi Arabia itself.

Which could lead to Pakis handling it for their Arab masters. Though not as critical tech as say a front line fighter jet, still not desirable.

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 09 Nov 2022 14:54

Manish_P wrote:
Pratyush wrote:...

Hoping that it an export to Saudi Arabia itself.
Which could lead to Pakis handling it for their Arab masters. Though not as critical tech as say a front line fighter jet, still not desirable.

Artillery systems are brute force weapons. Very little to learn from them unless you can engineer and produce them. In that case pakistan would rather look elsewhere.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 09 Nov 2022 17:39

True. Hence I felt not as risky as a Frontline fighter.

Then of course one can never tell when the ummah feeling will rise and these get carted to the Pakis.

Oh well at least we stand to make some money on the deal, rather than pay someone to get the stuff only for that someone to give 'aid' to the pakis.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 09 Nov 2022 18:24

Good diplomacy at work, combined with a world-class product and Modi's Atmanirbhar push. Phenomenal news all around!

At say $2 Million a pop, that's probably an order of 75 units. A 3 year fulfillment implies a production rate of 1 unit every 2 weeks. Easily do'able for Kalyani. They have plans to churn out 1 a day by 2025.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 09 Nov 2022 19:47

This is a good development. KSA is one of the four fathers and it is time we peeled their support off of pakiland.

KSA wants to diversify away from massa defence equipment. It is either us or China. Russ probably has no capacity to supply them.

srin · Post by **srin** » 10 Nov 2022 10:53

^^^ Shooklaw is claiming (on BS and in his blog) that the recipient is going to be Armenia.

He is claiming MoD sources but I still think KSA is a logical choice (it is hard to argue that Armenia is in a "non conflict zone", though I'm not sure why the BF had to use that epithet in the first place)

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 14 Feb 2023 20:35

Aero India 2023: The stage for HAL to seal deals for LCA Tejas Mk 1A with Argentina and Malaysia
https://www.financialexpress.com/defenc ... a/2979629/
13 Feb 2023

India's HAL in talks on Tejas fighter jet exports, faces Malaysia setback
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 914189.cms
14 Feb 2023

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 21 Feb 2023 02:27

https://m.economictimes.com/news/defenc ... 093772.cms
Bharat Dynamics receives export order worth USD 255 million

Barath · Post by **Barath** » 24 Feb 2023 18:52

By now, most would have surmised that Tejas isn't winning Malaysia.

It's official : KAI to export 18 FA-50 fighter jets to Malaysia 24 Feb 2023, I guess.
https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation ... 46058.html

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 24 Feb 2023 19:08

We didnt lose this order on basis of tech/product. Its a foreign relations failure. Koreans pulled off a better offer (might have included some US influence since FA50 has more US components, some palm greasing of right people in malaysian govt. and a bit of diplomatic arm twisting).

I wouldnt write away the import lobby here too. If Tejas gets exported, the import lobby might not be able to keep off Tejas orders.

Also Koreans aint taking in palmoil as a payment, so this wasnt on merit. Koreans can fully play dirty when needed. I remember a boxing game where a Korean umpire blatantly favored home side .

titash · Post by **titash** » 24 Feb 2023 21:58

YashG wrote:We didnt lose this order on basis of tech/product. Its a foreign relations failure. Koreans pulled off a better offer (might have included some US influence since FA50 has more US components, some palm greasing of right people in malaysian govt. and a bit of diplomatic arm twisting).

I wouldnt write away the import lobby here too. If Tejas gets exported, the import lobby might not be able to keep off Tejas orders.

Also Koreans aint taking in palmoil as a payment, so this wasnt on merit. Koreans can fully play dirty when needed. I remember a boxing game where a Korean umpire blatantly favored home side .

I don't think there's any reason for rona-dhona (not aimed at you YashG-ji, just in general)

Perhaps there's simply a poor product-market fit and dynamics of economies-of-scale:
- The FA-50 family has 200+ units already made, and a much larger MRO ecosystem than the Tejas
- Perhaps the Malays are not looking for a top-of-the-line fighter but one that can handle a variety of training / LIFT roles etc.
- The perception is Japanese / Korean factories are typically better than Indian factories and their workforce typically has better productivity/quality

Let's have a roadmap for 400+ desi fighters in the IAF and execute on it. The sales will come by default over the next decade. Meanwhile keep improving the sales PPTs, get prettier sales wimmens in short skirts, be willing to pay $5 million bribes into swiss bank accounts. etc. All standard practice...

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 26 Feb 2023 22:22

https://twitter.com/VivekSi85847001/sta ... 07104?s=20 ---> India HAL made ALH-DHRUV Search & Rescue Helicopter just handed over to Mauritius by an IAF C-17 which landed at Port Louis. India has already shipped two ALH Dhruv helicopters in use by Mauritius Police Force & one Do-228 for their Coast Guard. Total 3 × Dhruv for Police Force.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 16 Mar 2023 12:38

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 023-03-15/

India-Russia defence firm eyes $200 mln missile deal with Indonesia
BrahMos expects to clinch Indonesia deal this year-CEO
Aiming for $300 mln follow-on order from the Philippines

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 16 Mar 2023 13:14

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 610661.cms
India's defence exports cross Rs 13,000 crore

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 17 Mar 2023 11:21

Seems like Phillipines has indicated the order for Brahmos and follow on orders are just icebreakers. One can expect Phillipines to order more radars and Akash batteries. But nothing concrete yet.

PM Modi has set a Rs.35K crore target for 2025 and we are at Rs.13K crore. While Brahmos (Indonesia) might add another Rs.7K crore until 2025, we are still falling short by 50%. The only glimmer of hope is that Brahmos chief saying we'll meet PM's target with Brahmos sales alone.

Egypt , Argentina might order 1 squadron of LCA Tejas if we go by Twitter.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 17 Mar 2023 11:27

Our own Armed Forces can do their bit towards this goal, by showing confidence in homegrown systems.

Mercifully, the Govt is acting tough and cracking down on imports. The AF will have no choice but buy local.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 17 Mar 2023 11:54

Prem Kumar wrote:Our own Armed Forces can do their bit towards this goal, by showing confidence in homegrown systems.

Mercifully, the Govt is acting tough and cracking down on imports. The AF will have no choice but buy local.

Several years ago, I was of the opinion that the forces were being reticent because they havent seen enough of the the equipement materialized to back our future equipement. It all changed with LUH orders . With ALH , they shouldve known HAL Rotary wing capabilities. Despite that Kamov was brought into the picture. And this for an entry level aircraft.
Things started to change a bit in the last 2 years when forces's chiefs also saying "AtmaNirbhar" but then it was noticed that it was mere lip service. Now, with the mantra catching on and several successes, the forces are in a very sticky situation if they go against the grain.
I even saw video on consumer goods and how public are reacting to Chinese imports.

Last month, Def Minister said we know "Made in India" is being (mis) used for the Import-CKD and assembled kit. And suddenly in AeroIndia, we see vendors saying all components are made in Indiaas they pitched their wares.
So it does seem , the tide is turning. Hopefully within a decade, we will see imports as a insult to our capabilities.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 29 Mar 2023 22:16

https://www.financialexpress.com/busine ... 5072/lite/

Immature article but gives data.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Apr 2023 10:49

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... 18909.html

India’s defence exports reach ₹15,920 cr in 2022-23, tenfold jump in 6 years

India is in talks with Egypt and Argentina for the possible sale of LCA Tejas to their air forces as the country sharpens its focus on increasing its share in foreign markets. Egypt has projected a requirement for 20 aircraft while Argentina needs 15 new fighters. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the public sector aerospace and defence company, is also looking at exporting Advanced Light Helicopters (ALH) to the Philippines.

Last year, BrahMos Aerospace and the Philippines signed a deal worth almost $375 million for the Philippine Marines to buy three batteries of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, and Kalyani Strategic Systems Limited won an export order worth $155.5 million for supplying 155mm artillery guns, the first such order for an Indian firm.

Phillippines on their own indicated that Brahmos was just a warm up.
Armenia might order more of land based equipment and potentially antidrone eqipment
Egypt, Argentina for Aircraft
KSSL is well positioned for the future.
The African military leaders conclave hosted by Jaishankar few weeks back is a good step to establish channels .

Whats missing is a big ticket item than has a "we have arrived" feeling.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 02 Apr 2023 14:28

Dornier 226 for Guyana or Suriname
ATAGS - Armenia
Brahmos - Philippines
Pinaka - ?
Akash - ?

Akash and Pinaka can easily be worth 5000 cr if it happens. Target Namo set was Rs.35000 cr by 2025.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 Apr 2023 23:22

Pinaka is for Armenia.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 03 Apr 2023 17:57

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/164 ... 89536?s=20 ---> An order for howitzer export to the Saudis was firmed up recently, my dear fellows.

https://twitter.com/NewsIADN/status/164 ... 64641?s=20 ---> Howitzer sale to Saudi Arabia firmed up as per Saurav Jha. 155/52 Cal Bharat 52 towed howitzer & Garuda V2 105mm 4x4 mobile howitzers by Kalyani were sent to Saudi Arabia for trials. This could be a major win for Indian defence manufacturing, as Saudi Arabia is one of the world's biggest arms importer.

Prem Kumar · Post by **Prem Kumar** » 03 Apr 2023 18:37

After Armenia, Saudi and half of West Asia buys ATAGS, Army will do AoN (Accept out of Necessity)

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Apr 2023 01:58

Apparently Sudan is already operating Akash.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 Apr 2023 02:15

DW catches some random guy off the street called Charu Kartikeya and makes him speak. To be fair, it isnt condescending but this guy knows as much as Pappu knows about India.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 09 Apr 2023 12:41

Neela wrote:Seems like Phillipines has indicated the order for Brahmos and follow on orders are just icebreakers. One can expect Phillipines to order more radars and Akash batteries. But nothing concrete yet.

PM Modi has set a Rs.35K crore target for 2025 and we are at Rs.13K crore. While Brahmos (Indonesia) might add another Rs.7K crore until 2025, we are still falling short by 50%. The only glimmer of hope is that Brahmos chief saying we'll meet PM's target with Brahmos sales alone.

Egypt , Argentina might order 1 squadron of LCA Tejas if we go by Twitter.

So some more validation of the previous comments on one side.

But we have been hearing of Brahmos sales for several years now.

https://twitter.com/VivekSi85847001/sta ... 1270317056
Talks being held with 8 Country in South Asia,Africa & Middle east including all Land,Ship & Air launch version too.

BRAHMOS-NG flight trial to start in end of 2024 & ready for Production by End 25 or early 26.We want at least
$ 2 Billion Brahmos Export by 2025

basant · Post by **basant** » 02 May 2023 15:56

News on Twitter that Nigeria buys LCH.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 02 May 2023 17:45

Have been reading about Nigerian interest in the LCH for over a year.

So am cautiously optimistic about the truth of the news.

Fingers crossed.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 02 May 2023 17:50

India thinks big on military exports to Africa, Tejas jets, Akash missiles, combat helicopters on radar
https://odishatv.in/news/national/india ... dar-203210
02 May 2023

Zynda · Post by **Zynda** » 02 May 2023 19:22

I hope HAL has learnt some valuable lessons from Ecuador's Dhruv experience (or debacle) and come up with good maintenance & support practices. I am sure HAL's experience within our country would be helpful as well. Good after sales support is as important as having a good product.

YashG · Post by **YashG** » 02 May 2023 19:50

Zynda wrote:I hope HAL has learnt some valuable lessons from Ecuador's Dhruv experience (or debacle) and come up with good maintenance & support practices. I am sure HAL's experience within our country would be helpful as well. Good after sales support is as important as having a good product.

Good after sales support can even make up for a bad product but not the vice versa.

basant · Post by **basant** » 02 May 2023 20:03

basant wrote:News on Twitter that Nigeria buys LCH.

FWIW:

"Interestingly, Nigeria will be the first country to buy unspecified numbers of indigenously built Light Combat Helicopters from state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd through soft credit. Six officers from the Nigerian Army have already completed training on Chetak and Dhruv light helicopters at HAL's Rotary Wing Academy in Bangalore."
Source: odishatv.in

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 20 Jun 2023 19:19

India gifts indigenously-built missile corvette 'INS Kirpan' to Vietnam
https://aninews.in/news/world/asia/indi ... 619155752/
19 June 2023

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 26 Jun 2023 20:07

Possible Tejas sale to Egypt. Click on the link below...

India bolsters ties with Global South heavyweight Egypt
https://asia.nikkei.com/Politics/Intern ... ight-Egypt
24 June 2023

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From an earlier news piece....

We are looking into the possibility of co-production of defense equipment: Indian Envoy to Egypt
https://delhidefencereview.com/2023/03/ ... -to-egypt/
21 March 2023

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 10 Jul 2023 21:52

https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 31937?s=20 ---> Malaysia may have opted for a South Korean fighter jet instead of India's LCA Tejas but it wants Indian help in establishing an MRO for servicing the Russian Sukhois operated by the Malaysian Air Force. Defence Minister @rajnathsingh will be in KL to inaugurate an HAL Office.

https://twitter.com/nitingokhale/status ... 21664?s=20 ---> HAL, like BEL in Vietnam, is expected to act as a marketing/liaison office on behalf of all Indian DPSUs. The BEL office was established in 2018 to facilitate exports in areas of Weapon Systems, Radar Systems, Naval Systems, Military Communication Systems, to South East Asian countries.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 12 Jul 2023 20:09

HAL expands presence in Malaysia, eyes foray into southeast Asian market
https://theprint.in/defence/hal-expands ... t/1664873/
11 July 2023

Sources in the defence establishment told ThePrint that the Malaysia office will also cater to other markets in Southeast Asia. They said that HAL is in talks with some countries who have evinced interest in the Tejas as well as helicopters including the Light Combat Helicopter. HAL is also in talks with the Philippines for the sale of six indigenous Advanced Light Helicopters. The Philippines, in January last year, signed a contract with India for the BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles.