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Postby JCage » 09 Sep 2007 04:24

Ajai Shukla of the Lashkar e Media:


As I said, cost matters. Even with inefficiency etc, indian made stores are cheap, and if they are functional & get the job done, will be chosen by third parties.

We should have made a killing off the Iraq War, but we let politics get in the way...heck, the US is hurtin' for 5.56 ammo, OFB should have tooled up to supply them with ammo as well as the new mine proof vehicles.

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[quote]Ordnance factories to set up marketing arm

REFORMING ORDNANCE FACTORIES - II

Ajai Shukla / New Delhi September 06, 2007



India’s Ordnance Factories Board (OFB), under fire from the military as well as the Ministry of Defence (MoD) for producing too little, too late, at too high a cost, believes its primary customers judge it too harshly.

Instead, the OFB points to its recent success in bagging a Turkish order for air defence ammunition, which was won in the face of international competition from Sweden and Italy.

OFB Chairman Sudipta Ghosh says that the OFB wants to boost profits for modernising its factories and in-house R&D, but the bulk of its products goes to the defence forces on a no-profit-no-loss basis.

The only profit allowed is on sales to civilians, police and paramilitary forces, and export customers like Nepal, Myanmar, Sri Lanka and now Turkey.


Now, Sudipta Ghosh has proposed setting up a specialised marketing corporation to maximise profits from non-military customers.

The OFB Chairman told Business Standard, “Now we have a plan to create a marketing corporation within the OFB, something like the Railways’ IRCON; we can use this corporation to get more flexibility in negotiating with customers.â€

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Postby Philip » 18 Sep 2007 15:59

This is good news and what some of us have been saying that we should have a specialised export marketing and sales establishment,encompassing all defence sector undertakings,for all services, to promote what we have been producing and what our future products are going to be.The first task,apart from knowing our product strengths and weaknesses,is to be informative about the range of products.We should be "total solution" players,not just "component suppliers".Since our own requirements are huge,we can bring about significant costs down provided as with the OFB,that orders are placed in bulk.The advantage that can be obtained form low-cost for med/high-tech can certainly be leveraged to our advantage with many small-medium sized nations for a start.Howevr,the concept of India being a significant player in the international arms trade has to be acknowledged and pursued with concentrated vigour by the entire politico-defence establishment.Just attending def-expos worldwide and parading our wares is not enough.It is the behind-the-scenes hard ball games that matter.

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GLOBAL MARKETING OF DRDO PRODUCTS

Postby sunilUpa » 05 Mar 2008 19:21

GLOBAL MARKETING OF DRDO PRODUCTS

Orders for the development of Radar Computer –I & Radar Computer - II and their software for fitment on SU-30 aircraft received from Malaysia; upgradation of display processor for SU-30 MK (A) aircraft received from Algeria; and development of six numbers of Airborne Antennas also received from Poland. Two numbers of Battle Field Surveillance Radar-S2 have been supplied to Indonesia.

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Postby Baljeet » 05 Mar 2008 23:33

Sunil
Something is not kosher with this. First Algeria wanted to return these AC's now they are ordering better computers from us. I think there is something cooking here. Rusi and Yindoo are definitely upto something. It exposes the fact that Desi Maal has found favorite with OEM. Russians are tacitly acknowledging our products quality. More business for us, creates more jobs and better pay for our boys. Small steps like these takes us closer to our goal of self sufficiency. :idea:

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Postby Omar » 06 Mar 2008 05:39

other geo-political benifits notwithstanding


What geopolitical benefits are you referring to? The political goodwill accrued from foreign military sales (FMS) is short term. Did exporting F-14s to Iran keep the Ayatollah out? Did selling F-16s to Pakistan keep the country from offering refuge to the Taliban? Secondly, the leverage created by sanctioning spare parts to military equipment is not permanent. There are always ways to defeat technology denial regimes as North Korea, Pakistan, and Iran have demonstrated.

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Postby sunilUpa » 06 Mar 2008 06:45

Baljeet wrote:Sunil
Something is not kosher with this. First Algeria wanted to return these AC's now they are ordering better computers from us. I think there is something cooking here. Rusi and Yindoo are definitely upto something. It exposes the fact that Desi Maal has found favorite with OEM. Russians are tacitly acknowledging our products quality. More business for us, creates more jobs and better pay for our boys. Small steps like these takes us closer to our goal of self sufficiency. :idea:

Algeria wants to return Mig-29s, not Su-30. These are for Su-30.

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Postby enqyoob » 08 Nov 2008 06:29

IB4TL? Anyone want this thread around? Anyone willing to write up the info here for BRM/SRR? The Mahdi-e-Thread-Deleti is here.

An article on Indian Military Exports with your name on it! Imagine the GLORY! The FAME!

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Postby Dmurphy » 08 Nov 2008 08:04

Narayananji, IMHO, this tread has a potential future, with so many new weapons being developed by India these days. All we need is some patience.

Baaki aapki marzi.


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Postby Kakarat » 10 Feb 2009 09:48

ALH Dhruv built by HAL for export to Ecuador

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Postby ajay_ijn » 10 Feb 2009 09:57

every Dhruv paint scheme is simply amazing, gorgeous. peacock on Sarang, Tiger on WSI and Cobra on export for ecuador, lets see what will be painted on LCH.

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Postby sombhat » 10 Feb 2009 10:21

ajay_ijn wrote:every Dhruv paint scheme is simply amazing, gorgeous. peacock on Sarang, Tiger on WSI and Cobra on export for ecuador, lets see what will be painted on LCH.


Yellow Primer :lol:


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Postby ajay_ijn » 12 Feb 2009 17:24

Suriname to buy 3 Dhruvs
During budget debates in parliament in January, Defence Minister, Ivan Fernald, had announced the decision of the government to purchase the military equipment but was relecutant to disclose details since negotiations with India were not yet completed. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will deliver the indigenously designed and developed advanced light helicopters (ALH) Dhruv.

The aircrafts will cost some 750 million rupees (US$15.3 million) and are being financed with a credit line from the Indian government. According to the Ministry of Defence, the aircraft are necessary since the Surinamese National Army currently is being furnished adequately in order to fully execute its constitutional tasks.

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Postby Kakarat » 14 Feb 2009 08:31

First defence fund launched at Aero India 2009 - Ajai Shukla

A view of the VIP-version of the Dhruv ALH, which was handed over to Ecuador at Aero India 09.

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Postby Aditya G » 14 Feb 2009 11:48

Trying to compile a list of Indian aircraft exports till date:

1. HT-2 Ghana Air Force
2. HT-2 Singapore (flying club or academy?)
3. Chetak Nigeria Air Force
4. Chetak Seychelles
5. Chetak Mauritius
6. Do-228 Mauritius coast guard
7. ??? Bhutan
8. ALH Dhruv Nepal Army
10. ALH Dhruv Ecuador
11. ??? Maldives

Help to complete ....

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Postby Rahul M » 14 Feb 2009 12:14

there were a couple of chetak(or cheetah) deliveries to the FSU.

and the BN-2 re-sell to burma.

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Postby Aditya G » 14 Feb 2009 13:27

Rahul M wrote:there were a couple of chetak(or cheetah) deliveries to the FSU.

and the BN-2 re-sell to burma.


Chetak export to Soviet Union?

BN-2 was not manufactured here so not relevant to us as such.

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Postby Rahul M » 14 Feb 2009 14:28

yes.
here's the list as it stood @ 1991 :

ethiopia : chetak(10)
ghana : HT-2(12)
Indonesia : HT-2(1)
Nepal : chetak(5)
Seychelles : chetak(2)
Singapore : HT-2(1)
USSR : Chetak (8)

only delivered orders have been mentioned as there are a few that weren't carried through for whatever reasons.

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Postby k prasad » 20 Feb 2009 17:00

Kakarat wrote:A view of the VIP-version of the Dhruv ALH, which was handed over to Ecuador at Aero India 09.


Incidentally, that will be used by El Presidente of Ecuador as his personal ride... the funniest part is that the only thing extra added is a small fridge (thats what the HAL guy told me) and a satellite phone... and the usual component of Self protection.

And btw, is it just me, or do others also notice tat the Cobra on the Dhruv looks uncannily like the insignia of a character on the old GI Joe cartoon??? :)

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Postby Rahul M » 20 Feb 2009 17:43

And btw, is it just me, or do others also notice tat the Cobra on the Dhruv looks uncannily like the insignia of a character on the old GI Joe cartoon???

it does but uh oh ! that reveals our age to within 5 yrs accuracy ! :lol:

may be they just got a larger print of it !

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Postby k prasad » 21 Feb 2009 14:30

Rahul M wrote:
And btw, is it just me, or do others also notice tat the Cobra on the Dhruv looks uncannily like the insignia of a character on the old GI Joe cartoon???

it does but uh oh ! that reveals our age to within 5 yrs accuracy ! :lol:

may be they just got a larger print of it !


^^^LOL!!

Or maybe I was trying to get my kid off the TV when he was small, and I couldn't help noticing it. :mrgreen:

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Postby Philip » 23 Feb 2009 16:15

Our 2-D radars were in action in recent days in Colombo,when the SLAF defences shot down two LTTE Zlins.Here is a "gung-ho" excerpt from the state run "Daily Blab" of Colombo,about the incident and "indigenous" Lankan improvemnt to our radars,namely the "searchlight" (radar linked?)! One British paper had a pic of the searchlight at work that evening.It was a very powerful beam cutting across Colombo skies and this WW2 staple system has proven its uses even today.

http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2009/02/22/sec01.asp

Air defence saves Colombo

More details of the attack and the war.
http://www.sundayobserver.lk/2009/02/22/sec03.asp
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Postby manish » 01 Mar 2009 16:42

One more Dhruv success - a single helicopter to be sold to Mauritius:
India signs pact for supply of Dhruv helicopters to Mauritius
1 Mar 2009, 1630 hrs IST, PTI
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Mauritius will be the second country after Equador to get the multi-role, multi-mission new generation helicopter. The helicopter is likely to be handed over this month to Mauritius for use by its police, officials said here.

The state-of-the-art helicopter is being supplied under an inter-governmental MoU concluded last week. The chopper, which costs around seven million USD, is being supplied under a 100 million USD line of credit extended by India to Mauritius over three years ago, they said.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India-signs-pact-for-supply-of-Dhruv-helicopters-to-Mauritius-/articleshow/4208514.cms

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Postby KrishG » 24 May 2009 20:14

MEA shoots down defence ministry's helicopter export

http://www.business-standard.com/india/news/mea-shoots-down-defence-ministrys-helicopter-export/358949/
The prospects for India’s most promising defence export — the Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH) — have just been dealt an unexpected blow. India’s Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) has turned down a Bolivian request for a line of credit to buy seven Dhruvs from Bangalore-based manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)...........

Says a senior MoD official, “Frankly speaking, I was surprised by the MEA’s decision. I can only surmise that this decision was taken by someone at the lower level, without realising the implications on India’s defence exports.”

Bolivia barely registers on the MEA’s radar. That country does not have an embassy in New Delhi; an Honorary Consul represents India in La Paz, Bolivia’s capital...........

Helicopters are a vital part of the Bolivian Air Force, since anti-drug operations are its main focus. Without a single fixed-wing fighter aircraft, the Bolivian Air Force currently relies on the venerable American UH-1H Huey helicopter, which is approaching the end of its service life. With the Dhruv providing a state-of-the-art alternative at a price 25 per cent cheaper than its alternatives, Bolivia remains a potential buyer.


Well, what's this! If we can gift Dhruvs' to Nepal why can't we provide them to Bolivia with credit ?? Hope A.K.Antony changes this.

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Postby mmasand » 26 May 2009 00:17

Been 3 days after the MEA turned down the export request of HAL Dhruvs and ye not statement.I still cant get the rationale behind the decision,i mean soon enough other South American countries would express interest since the cost and credit terms offered are substantially lesser.An end user agreement could have easily been negotiated to make sure they were not in the wrong hands!

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Postby Vipul » 11 Jun 2009 00:13

HAL bags $10 mn order for Chetak, Cheetah from Namibia.

Giving an impetus to its export programme, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has bagged an $10 million order for supplying two
Chetak and one Cheetah light utility helicopters to the Namibian armed forces.

"HAL has bagged a new export order to supply Chetak and Cheetah helicopters to Namibia, a southern African nation," Defence Ministry sources said here today.

The deal with the Namibian Defence Ministry was signed in April this year and it came in the wake of series of export orders bagged by HAL for supply of Dhruv Advanced Light Utility Helicopters
in the past one year.

Chetak is a multi-purpose, seven-seater helicopter and Cheetah is a light observation helicopter and both these platforms are used by the Indian Air Force and the Army's Aviation Corps.

These two helicopters are extensively used by the armed forces in the icy heights of Siachen, once the world's highest battlefield, where guns fell silent in 2003 after a ceasefire agreement between India and Pakistan.

Chetak and Cheetah production at HAL began under a licenced agreement with Eurocopter in 1970. The helicopter division of HAL has so far produced nearly 350 Chetaks and 250 Cheetahs, mostly supplied to domestic customers, both the defence and civilian sector, and has exported a few of them.

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Postby Philip » 11 Jun 2009 18:49

I mentioned earlier how many aeons ago an African nation,whose pres. was so impressed with an IN warship and its admiral,that he wanted us to draw up a masterplan for its navy and build all the ships for it.It took one year before the MEA/MOD or whoever ,authorised two economy class tickets for two IN officers to visit that country.No guesses as to what happened during that time! We now have China as the chief patron of Africa.

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Postby ovein » 04 Aug 2009 20:22

Another bit of news regarding the defence export came up today.

India earns US$266mn in defence exports
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/full ... d=80573359

The ratio of import and export are still very uneven. But I hope we will be going to get even in couple of decades.

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Postby shiv » 05 Aug 2009 10:27

mmasand wrote:Been 3 days after the MEA turned down the export request of HAL Dhruvs and ye not statement.I still cant get the rationale behind the decision,i mean soon enough other South American countries would express interest since the cost and credit terms offered are substantially lesser.An end user agreement could have easily been negotiated to make sure they were not in the wrong hands!


Chile and Bolivia have poor relations and Chile has expressed an interest in the Dhruv. Perhaps this has something to do with it?

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Postby vavinash » 05 Aug 2009 10:35

Chile is an american/ western puppet and generally disliked by south americans. They went for the out-dated BEll choppers at a higher price than the dhruvs. I wouldn't waste time and energy on them.

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Postby Kakarat » 06 Dec 2009 10:56

Mauritius Police Force HAL Dhruv

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Postby Juggi G » 05 Apr 2010 03:21

Oman Places Order for Weapons from India
Financial Express
Oman has become the first country in West Asia to place an order for guns from India.

According to senior officials, INSAS gun from the ordnance factor board is currently undergoing trials for the Oman army.

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Postby sunilUpa » 05 Apr 2010 06:04

^Sigh what a mis-leading headline!

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Postby shiv » 05 Apr 2010 20:29

I just had a thought..

Arms sales allover the world are oiled by kickbacks - a fact that India is struggling to overcome.

On the other hand, if India wants to export stuff - kickbacks must be paid. What official policy can the GoI have to implement the sort of corruption that individuals in are government surely accustomed to following? I mean how does GoI pay kickbacks for arms sales to non Indian buyers? I am dead certain that you CANNOT export to 90% of the countries in the world without kickbacks, and kickbacks will be required for 100% of the turd world countries to whom we might want to sell arms.

Maybe I ought to ask - next Aero India??

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Postby Hiten » 06 Apr 2010 23:16

yet another source for the same news

India to Sell Small Arms to Oman

...According to defence sources, the INSAS gun of the OFB is currently undergoing trials for the Oman Army....
While India has been making inroads into the Middle East, most of the crucial agreements have been kept under wraps by India and Oman in the past. In October 2003, India signed an MoU with Oman regarding the supply of Indian-made military hardware to Oman, repair of Omani ships and other military equipment in India.

Another issue pertaining to the agreement involved the training for Omani military personnel at Indian Defence Academies. A high-level delegation from Oman visited India to finalise this agreement and foster greater defence ties....
As per a defence agreement signed in 2008 between India and Oman, a maritime security arrangement was concluded as well as possibilities of stationing Indian troops in Oman. {?? Anti-piracy ops}

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Postby Juggi G » 19 Apr 2010 15:49

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India Provides Free “Dhruv Helicopter” to Maldives

India has provided Maldives National Defence Force (MNDF) a Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) manufactured “Dhruv” helicopter for free .

Last year on his visit to Maldives, Indian Defence Minister AK Anthony had promised a helicopter which will be used by Maldives National Defence Force (MNDF) for search and rescue missions .

The helicopter would be officially handed to MNDF in a special function to be held at Henveiru Park area on Wednesday.

Dhruv Military and Civilian variants currently have been operated by seven countries and more three countries have already placed orders for it.

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Postby Gagan » 19 Apr 2010 17:28

shiv wrote:I just had a thought..

Arms sales allover the world are oiled by kickbacks - a fact that India is struggling to overcome.

On the other hand, if India wants to export stuff - kickbacks must be paid.

And they must be paid in cash and fair kind :wink:

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I am 400% certain that I saw a helo with this camo scheme flying around HAL last week or two weeks ago. I remember seeing the wheeled landing gear configuration and thinking it was a CG machine - but then she came out of the sun and I saw the camo and I wondered...


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