Women in Combat

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Women warriors in Sinauli

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rohitvats wrote:
Rakesh wrote:To All: Stop with misogyny please. Women have earned their place in the Armed Forces. No more on this on the forum.
Why are you attributing misogyny to stifle a debate on an important topic? Women in armed forces is a much more complex issue that simply a case of equality before the law when it comes to employment.
Question of misogyny only came in because some posters went absolutely nuclear on seeing a rather simple image of a few women commandos practicing .

Is a debate about the place women have in combat and any deficiencies they have as compared to men misogynistic ...No

Is jumping to terms like "woke disease ","impotency" "weak willed men"," special privilges " etc on just seeing female operatives misogynistic ..imo Yes

If its an important debate about a complex issue (which it is ) then lets have it with facts and ground realities rather than with labels or else we're no different than Twitter .


As far as this particular topic goes then I think we're all well aware of the physical problems that women face as compared men but there is a massive amount of roles (even in SF and R&AW) which aren't dependent on power but rather analytics, decision making ,surveillance ,piloting , operating advanced machinery etc etc for which women can be easily used if well trained .
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AkshaySG wrote:
rohitvats wrote:
Why are you attributing misogyny to stifle a debate on an important topic? Women in armed forces is a much more complex issue that simply a case of equality before the law when it comes to employment.
Question of misogyny only came in because some posters went absolutely nuclear on seeing a rather simple image of a few women commandos practicing .

Is a debate about the place women have in combat and any deficiencies they have as compared to men misogynistic ...No
Is jumping to terms like "woke disease ","impotency" "weak willed men"," special privilges " etc on just seeing female operatives misogynistic ..imo Yes

If its an important debate about a complex issue (which it is ) then lets have it with facts and ground realities rather than with labels or else we're no different than Twitter .

As far as this particular topic goes then I think we're all well aware of the physical problems that women face as compared men but there is a massive amount of roles (even in SF and R&AW) which aren't dependent on power but rather analytics, decision making ,surveillance ,piloting , operating advanced machinery etc etc for which women can be easily used if well trained .
There is a lot of merit in this post and what Rohit Vats posted.
If one has not actually had the experience of serving with women in an operational unit, or hearing form those who have, comments on women in the forces (both positive and negative) tend to be misplaced.

I think there are basic points that have been overlooked in this debate:

When we talk of women in the forces, why is it invariably about officers only. I wish those who want more roles for women in TV studios are prepared to do what women jawans in the BSF or Assam rifles do in an operational roles. Their experience should the the basis for deciding
how women deal with combat like situations, except that lady officers have to display higher standards than the OR's they wish to command.

In the West or Israel, which tend to become the benchmark by which we are expected to induct women, women serve for short periods (like their
male counterparts). Very few stay beyond marriage and a child. Their roles are far more tech intensive and less physically demanding than what their IA counterparts have to face. Many men in western armies will for e.g. not be able to undertake a lengthy patrol at high altitude. In actual combat roles, women soldiers in the West have been found wanting (e.g. US in Iraq, or IDF in Urban counter insurgency).
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https://twitter.com/RAFIndia_/status/14 ... 47744?s=20 ---> Flight Lieutenant Shivangi Singh, first ever female pilot of IAF Rafale fighter aircraft, with IAF tableaux during Republic Day Parade 2022.

https://twitter.com/MahimaShastri/statu ... 20548?s=20 ---> Photo of the day. Flt Lt Shivangi Singh, first woman fighter pilot on Rafale combat aircraft!

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After 16 women fighter pilots it's not an 'experiment' anymore
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/w ... 2022-02-01
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https://twitter.com/rahulsinghx/status/ ... 28800?s=20 ---> Meet Captain Deeksha C Mudadevannanavar. She is the first woman in the Indian Army to serve as a regimental medical officer of an elite Special Forces unit. She is 28 and a 40-km speed march with 18-kg backpack...just another day for her.

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Wow! Naman on naari shakti day!
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​India's 1st woman Rafale pilot Shivangi Singh part of IAF team in France exercise
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/w ... 2023-04-27
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https://youtu.be/B-uovh6PQJI

CRPF women in combat - they look to be well equipped compared to BSF and other CAPFs.
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When it is a staged show, like this news bit, the best kit will come out. But that said, their proficiency seems to indicate rigorous training across multiple types of rifles and guns.
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Navy to bring in new ergonomic workwear for women on warships, standardise all uniforms
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https://x.com/delhidefence/status/17304 ... 02153?s=20 ---> The Indian Navy has issued the appointment order of a woman as Captain (CO) of a Fast Attack Craft of the Indian Navy. The officer is yet to assume command. Further details will be shared in due course: Admiral R Hari Kumar, CNS.

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https://x.com/delhidefence/status/17308 ... 91363?s=20 ---> Lieutenant Commander Prerna Deosthalee, First Lt of INS Chennai, selected as Commanding Officer (Capt) of INS Trinkat. She was presented the appointment letter by Rear Admiral Praveen Nair. She would be the first woman officer of the Indian Navy, to command an Indian Naval Warship.

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Su-30MKI female fighter pilot leads the Indian Air Force tableau this Republic Day
https://defence.in/threads/sukhoi-30mki ... -day.2802/
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Anyone have latest figures on personnel shortages in the IA, IN, IAF and other police and paramilitary groups?

I’ve always heard of shortages in officers in the IA and pilots in the IAF. Most populated country of over billion people but still shortages in filling military vacancies - a very tiny fraction of its massive population.
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VIDEO: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1749 ... 33653?s=20 ---> So here comes Flight Lieutenant Arti Tomar - Su-30MKI fighter pilot of the IAF - participating in the flypast of Indian Air Force at Kartavya Path on Republic Day 2024. She is from No Valiants 221 Squadron of the IAF.

VIDEO: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1750 ... 83165?s=20 ---> Must listen to MiG-29UPG fighter pilot, Flt Lt Punya Nanjappa. Local girl from Mysore and now an air warrior of the IAF. She was the only women cadet to join the fighter stream along with 40 other cadets from her course. Now she is ready for the Kartavya Path sortie at the Republic Day 2024 Parade. She is from No.47 Black Archers Squadron, Karmani Vyaprutham Dhanuhu.

VIDEO: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1750 ... 83503?s=20 ---> Squadron Leader Ragi Ramachandran with Squadron Leader Subham is fully prepared for the Republic Day 2024 Parade flypast of Apache Attack Helicopter at Kartavya Path. Squadron Leader Ragi also participated in the 2019 Republic Day. She was the lone woman among the five officers leading the 148-member Indian Air Force (IAF) contingent.
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VIDEO: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1749 ... 33653?s=20 ---> Must listen inspiring and motivational story of Military Nursing Services (MNS) contingent commander, Major Shristhi Khullar, Maroon Beret story. First time MNS contingent participating in Republic Day 2024 parade at Kartavya Path.

VIDEO: https://x.com/ANI/status/1749722579504603533?s=20 ---> Major Srishti Khullar — an eye surgeon and a paratrooper, is leading the first ever all-women contingent of Armed Forces Medical Services taking part in the Republic Day parade. She says, "Being an eye surgeon, I have been used to holding a surgical knife in the operation theatre. Now, holding a sword at Kartavya Path has been a very challenging but very rewarding experience. I am very happy and very grateful..."

https://x.com/rahulsinghx/status/174974 ... 17221?s=20 ---> Met paratrooper & eye surgeon Major Srishti Khullar today. She will lead the all-women Armed Forces Medical Services marching contingent at the Republic Day parade. "From holding the surgical knife to carrying a sword at the parade, the new role is quite challenging & rewarding."

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Ace Trap Shooter Preeti Rajak Becomes Indian Army’s 1st Woman Subedar

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