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Postby chackojoseph » 24 Oct 2013 13:33

Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory turns 50 in 2013

A lot of success including technology of ‘investment casting of nickel base superalloys’ for producing turbine components for the country’s first aeroengine programme ‘Kaveri’.

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Postby Rahul M » 24 Oct 2013 14:29

vina wrote:
Hero motocorp. were in a 26 yr. JV and learned exactly ghanta while passing off screw driver tech as "indigenous". So much so for the line "Indian Pvt. companies are at the fore front of creating/absorbing technology"


To be fair to Hero, the JV with Honda explicitly prohibited Hero from developing it's own tech. That is exactly why TVS and Bajaj gave the ungli to Suzuki and Kawasaki long ago and developed their own engines and chassis. You really should look at TVS, Bajaj for this. Hero is last in the game and is now playing catch up with Honda going alone and threatening to devour them.

prohibited hero honda, not hero, which is an independent entity over which honda had no say.

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Postby Karan M » 24 Oct 2013 16:25

Interesting point - so Kanchan continues to evolve..

The laboratory recently transferred the technology of ‘investment casting of nickel base superalloys’ for producing turbine components for the country’s first aeroengine programme ‘Kaveri’. Other important materials developed by the laboratory being used in defence systems are light weight armour for helicopters, improved Kanchan Armour for MBT Arjun MkII, rare earth permanent magnets for accelerometers and brushless DC motors etc.


Read more: http://frontierindia.net/defence-metall ... z2idbB3xcT

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Postby vina » 24 Oct 2013 17:16

prohibited hero honda, not hero, which is an independent entity over which honda had no say.


Believe me. People negotiating such deals are not idiots. They would have put in language putting in conditions for any related entity from doing so as well. When hero signed the deal with Honda, they made nothing but bicycles and some crappy mopeds and they would have signed on the dotted line . And any violation of terms would have led to immediate suspension of tech and product support and pipeline, leading you to get flushed down the Pakistan.

In fact, this was the same reason why the Escorts JV with Yamaha ran into big time trouble. Escorts started using the Yamaha derived knowledge base in upgrading the Rajdoots of old and Yamaha pulled the plug.

Bajaj and TVS basically told Kawasaki and TVS to go jump. In fact one of the most revered Con-Sultans , MuckNSee , advised Bajaj that they should not develop Pulsar and the Cruiser models because it would "antagonize" Kawasaki. Rahul Bajaj put MuckNSee in the dustbin and told Kawasaki where to get off. Same with Maruti. MuckNSee told Maruti that the Swift was "too expensive"/"too blah blah whatever" for some segmentation for the Indian market and that it would fail. Maruti put that in the dust bin as well, and everyone knows what a smash hit Swift and it's derivatives are for Maruti and a massive cash cow.

A lot of Strat-e-jee can be too clever by half. The question is, do you have the Cojones to tell your major technology supplier and a key determinant to your competitiveness, sales and profits to F****off and come up with a superior product within a window which the market will bear , or do you just take the bird in the hand and be finally forced by policy changes (like govt fully opening out the 2 wheeler market and the non compete agreements with the tech supplier ending, allowing him to open a fully owned subsidiary to compete head on with you) to do so , like what happened in Hero's case.

I would argue that Bajaj and TVS are far better off by booting out Kawasaki and Suzuki when they did that nearly a dozen years ago. They took the short term pain , but came out trumps.

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Postby Sagar G » 24 Oct 2013 20:43

Rahul M wrote:prohibited hero honda, not hero, which is an independent entity over which honda had no say.


If this is true then all the more hilarious since Hero was free to R&D but was invested in doing chaaploosi :rotfl:

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Postby Sagar G » 24 Oct 2013 20:44

chackojoseph wrote:Defence Metallurgical Research Laboratory turns 50 in 2013

A lot of success including technology of ‘investment casting of nickel base superalloys’ for producing turbine components for the country’s first aeroengine programme ‘Kaveri’.


Going to the seminar CJ ???

the Laboratory is also organizing a two day seminar entitled “Materials Technologies for Defence: Success Stories and Road Ahead” on 25th and 26th October.

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Postby Vipul » 25 Oct 2013 04:56

India needs to create capabilities to counter or neutralize the information that is being transmitted through enemy satellites.

As many as 19 Chinese surveillance satellites are monitoring the Indian waters as the region is emerging as one of the world's most strategic areas in the 21st century, secretary to defence minister and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) director-general Avinash Chander said here on Wednesday.

Chander said India needed to create capabilities to counter or neutralize the information that is being transmitted through these satellites. "We need to develop technologies to monitor our waters in all the three dimensions," he said while inaugurating a symposium on ocean electronics ( Sympol-2013) organized by the centre for ocean electronics, Cochin University of Science and Technology.

India will need 80-100 satellites that can be deployed in formation within hours or in a day. "It is time to revisit our surveillance strategies. The West is, of course, more advanced," he said.

Chander said maritime domain awareness, providing seamless coverage of areas of interest that demands intelligent synergy among many platforms like unmanned aerial vehicles, space-based indigenous navigational systems and communication satellites for real-time multi-mode information was the need of the hour. "We need to develop deep-sea sonar that operates in extreme ocean depths, in the so-called 'deep sound channel', to detect quiet enemy submarines from thousands of miles," he said.

The DRDO is funding research in underwater technologies for capability and manpower development though naval research boards and academic institutions, he said.

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Postby Rahul M » 25 Oct 2013 06:03

vina ji, my reply here. viewtopic.php?p=1531675#p1531675

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Postby Rahul M » 25 Oct 2013 06:06

Karan M wrote:Interesting point - so Kanchan continues to evolve..

The laboratory recently transferred the technology of ‘investment casting of nickel base superalloys’ for producing turbine components for the country’s first aeroengine programme ‘Kaveri’. Other important materials developed by the laboratory being used in defence systems are light weight armour for helicopters, improved Kanchan Armour for MBT Arjun MkII, rare earth permanent magnets for accelerometers and brushless DC motors etc.


Read more: http://frontierindia.net/defence-metall ... z2idbB3xcT

unfortunately IA is filling up tank positions post haste so that they have an excuse 'no more vacancies' when Mk2 comes online.

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Postby chackojoseph » 25 Oct 2013 07:07

Sagar G wrote:Going to the seminar CJ ???


No sir.


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Postby Pratyush » 25 Oct 2013 12:19

Rahul M wrote:unfortunately IA is filling up tank positions post haste so that they have an excuse 'no more vacancies' when Mk2 comes online.



OT for this thread.

Even if the Kanchan cannot be used for Arjun as the IA wont buy it. What is it prevents the HVF, from making T 90 using this Armour?

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Postby chackojoseph » 25 Oct 2013 15:05

HAL projects with IIT's

HAL Chair at IIT Kanpur

In the recent past HAL signed MoUs with IIT, Madras to undertake joint research in the field of transmission system for the helicopter and engine programs and with IISc, Bangalore for development of
micro UAV and development of active control and health monitoring techniques by application of smart materials to helicopter dynamic system and with NAL, Bangalore for design and development of aircraft
structures, mechanical systems, aerodynamics, avionics, aerospace materials, composites, system Engineering, UAVs etc. A few years ago, HAL had signed a separate MoU with IIT, Kanpur for development of computational aero elasticity code for helicopter loads.

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Postby Pratyush » 26 Oct 2013 17:13

Has the DRDO WLR entered service with the IA. The wiki page says that it was accepted for servce in 2008 and 28 are on order. But I don't recall any other mention of it being in service with the IA.

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Postby Rahul M » 26 Oct 2013 17:22

Pratyush wrote:
Rahul M wrote:unfortunately IA is filling up tank positions post haste so that they have an excuse 'no more vacancies' when Mk2 comes online.



OT for this thread.

Even if the Kanchan cannot be used for Arjun as the IA wont buy it. What is it prevents the HVF, from making T 90 using this Armour?

of course we can and will improve the tin can as much as we can. doesn't take away from the fact that it's a disaster of a design.

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Postby Pratyush » 26 Oct 2013 17:24

Saar, that fact has me tearing what's left of my hair. When I note the treatment given to Arjun over the last 15 years or so. :((

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Postby Karan M » 26 Oct 2013 18:25

chackojoseph wrote:The display list sent by DRDO

A list of arms display by DRDO at Exhibition ADEX 2013 in Seoul


These are new.

ABHAY (Compact Hull Mounted Sonar (HMS) System)
ABHAY is an advanced integrated active cum passive sonar system designed for shallow water ASW platforms. It is specifically targeted for installation on smaller platforms such as ASW corvettes, coastal surveillance and patrol vessels. It employs advanced adaptive signal and information processing techniques for detection, tracking & classification of targets. The hardware architecture is based on state of the art open-architecture processor technologies that will enable smooth up-grade of the system capabilities in the future. A compact transducer array, modular front-end signal conditioning hardware and high efficiency switched mode power amplifiers make up the rest of the system.

3G UWACS (Underwater Acoustic Communication System)
3G UWACS is a state-of-the-art Underwater Wireless Acoustic Communication System based on SDR Architecture. This system incorporates advanced modulation and coding techniques in addition to data recording and analysis features. The system offers the user a tunable wideband communication capability over multiple bands in voice and data communication modes. In addition to the enormous flexibility in operation through a comprehensive GUI, it also supports remote operation and monitoring through standard networking technologies.

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Postby Rahul M » 26 Oct 2013 19:01

as an aside, abhay, nirbhay, pragati -- they really suck at giving names.
almost as bad as the army with its huffy and tuffy.

left to them they will name the next tank gopalchandra and the next gun as durgati. :lol:

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Postby Pratyush » 26 Oct 2013 19:17

:rotfl: Rahul ms account hacked by singha ji. :rotfl:

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Postby Picklu » 28 Oct 2013 00:17

Gurus, please bear with me for the long post. The below is more of a hypothesis based on the open source info and I would like the knowledgeable persons to comment on the below to correct or confirm this.
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One issue that the recent OFB Gun failure highlighted was the red tape associated with the proper functional testing of the prototypes.
If I understand it correctly, both TATA and Bharat Forge guns are still untested because of the same associated red tape.
From the newspaper articles, what I understood is that - law prohibits even creation of such test infrastructure in India without lots of approval and everyone has to go to the babus with hat in hand for permission to test in the existing infrastructure. Also, there is no guideline for approval or rejection of such request, nothing can be done if permission is not given or simply not responded to request and even no reason is given for the rejection.
Now, anybody in any development will know the importance of testing for the development process itself. If the above situation regarding test infra is true, then nobody - DPSU or otherwise, will be able to develop anything in India. We may castigate OFB , HAL and their ilk for screwdriver-giri till kingdom come but the malaise would be much deeper and systematic, rather than of intent and capability. Every TOT will bring test equipment only for quality control of the transferred article and nothing else. The recipient org will learn zero. The only option would be to self-finance a separate testing infra by the org and we know how penny pinching our Government is for such low ROI ventures.
One of the corroborating facts for the above hypothesis is the reason why Mahindra went to Australia for development of their aerospace product instead of India. It seems that the red tape associated with flight testing of an aircraft under development is much liberal there compared to India.
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If the above hypothesis is correct, then a quick approach to kick start our MIC would be to liberalize our test infra. More than any DPF or any policy for private participation in defence, this will have more short as well as long term effect of
a. unlocking the huge human and infra capital already available in defence manufacturing and allow them to move towards research and development
b. useful for public as well as private enterprise under a well-established usage policy allowing quick ramp up capability where gaps are found in defence preparedness.
Let me know what you think. Even if the above is not true, I (and I hope many others) would learn something.

PS: due to roti rozi matters, I rarely get a chance to post even though I read the forum a lot more. So, please forgive in advance for late/little response from my side. I assure you that all your replies would be followed though and no response is trivial or unworthy.

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Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2013 00:32

Rahul M wrote:as an aside, abhay, nirbhay, pragati -- they really suck at giving names.
almost as bad as the army with its huffy and tuffy.

left to them they will name the next tank gopalchandra and the next gun as durgati. :lol:


nirbhay and abhay are still ok, from the meaning point of view.. for that matter, i didn't like tejas that much to begin with, but it sort of grew on me.

having said that, pragati (progress) for a strike missile system is seriously, total what the... moment.

huffy and tuffy ... i think they were named after the commanding officers two Pomeranians. speaking of which whatever happened to both programs..

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Postby Picklu » 28 Oct 2013 00:34

hunky and tuffy - IIRC :)

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Postby Karan M » 28 Oct 2013 02:00

ok so alsatian and labarador...:P

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Postby pragnya » 28 Oct 2013 09:34

Rahul M wrote:as an aside, abhay, nirbhay, pragati -- they really suck at giving names.
almost as bad as the army with its huffy and tuffy.

left to them they will name the next tank gopalchandra and the next gun as durgati. :lol:


Rahul M, i think you missed the 'intent' part in the names. as i 'understood' it is 'Pragati' for us and 'Durgati' for the foes. :wink:

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Postby PratikDas » 29 Oct 2013 12:48

DRDO's official images for ADEX 2013 in Seoul

DRDO page (a bit slow): INDIA to Display Latest Product at ADEX 2013 in Seoul

Battle Field Surveillance Radar (BFSR) [Click image for Hi Res]
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Weapon Locating Radar (WLR) [Click image for Hi Res]
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Airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) [Click image for Hi Res]
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Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Navy [Click image for Hi Res]
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Astra beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) [Click image for Hi Res]
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Rohini 3D Central Acquisition Radar [Click image for Hi Res]
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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 29 Oct 2013 16:51

Pardon a question that is a real "duh", but is it assumed that all these products DRDO is displaying in Seoul, are ready for export and use? Including the Astra? Or is it a seller's pitch, that 'we think the products are good, now it's for you to accept or not accept them, and take the attendant risks" ? One wishes it is not the latter approach.

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Postby chackojoseph » 29 Oct 2013 17:24

Since we have inked a def coop with them and they are likely to bag the mine sweeper award, India is getting a special treatment. Only production items are Akash and radars. Let's see if there are takers. Brahmos was offerable, wonder why it isn't.

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Postby A Sharma » 30 Oct 2013 17:54

DRDO Newsletter Nov 2013

Electrical Heavy-weight Torpedoes Integration Centre inaugurated at NSTL

Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, celebrated its 54th raising day in a grand manner on 1 September 2013.Shri Anil M Datar, OS and Director, ARDE, inaugurated the function and took an overview of successes and shortcomings of ARDE in the previous year.Dr Datar expressed satisfaction on the successful user trials of Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC),completion of Influence Mine Mark II, Pinaka Mk II achieving 60 km range, trials of Pinaka ET Fuze from FUCHS and SASU, trials of Pinaka Canon Launch Guided Missile (CLGM), and the transfer of technology of Pinaka MBRLS.

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Postby Karan M » 30 Oct 2013 18:38

CLGM is a ADE program and meant for gun tubes with a range of 7-8 kms. So likely above is a typo.
Also good to read Pinaka Mk2 achieved 60 km range.

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Postby negi » 30 Oct 2013 18:50

Call me biased but I like the looks of the LCA Navy specially it's stance.

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Postby pragnya » 30 Oct 2013 18:56

A Sharma wrote:DRDO Newsletter Nov 2013

Electrical Heavy-weight Torpedoes Integration Centre inaugurated at NSTL

Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, celebrated its 54th raising day in a grand manner on 1 September 2013.Shri Anil M Datar, OS and Director, ARDE, inaugurated the function and took an overview of successes and shortcomings of ARDE in the previous year.Dr Datar expressed satisfaction on the successful user trials of Joint Venture Protective Carbine (JVPC),completion of Influence Mine Mark II, Pinaka Mk II achieving 60 km range, trials of Pinaka ET Fuze from FUCHS and SASU, trials of Pinaka Canon Launch Guided Missile (CLGM), and the transfer of technology of Pinaka MBRLS.


the JVPC is a joint effort of ARDE and OFB. it is a single caliber carbine same as MSMC.

edited on further reading.

also it seems to me that JVPC has superseded the MILAP MSMC. good that it has been successful in user trials.

btw what is the status of multi caliber carbines which was in trials in 2012??

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PMO unconcerned about scientist deaths
Scientists working in BARC have been particularly liable to ‘suicides’ and murders.
MADHAV NALAPAT New Delhi | 26th Oct 2013

While there has been substantial international media comment on the unnatural deaths of several scientists working in Iran's nuclear program, similar attention has not been paid to the (much larger) number of unnatural deaths that have taken place of scientists and engineers working in India's own nuclear program. The latest casualties were discovered on 7 October, when the bodies of K.K. Josh and Abhish Shivam were discovered near the railway tracks at Penduruthy near Vishakapatnam Naval Yard. The two were engineers connected with the building of India's indigenous nuclear-powered submarine, Arihant. They had apparently been poisoned and their bodies placed on the tracks to make it seem like an accident. However, they were discovered by a passer-by before a train could pass over the bodies. In any other country, the murder of two engineers connected to a crucial strategic program would have created a media storm. However, the deaths of the two were passed off both by the media as well as by the Ministry of Defence as a routine accident, with only the ordinary police officer tasked with investigations into the cause of death. The inquiries went nowhere.

Scientists working in the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) have been particularly liable to "suicides" and murders, with several being reported during the past five years. In each case, the unnatural death in question gets passed off as either a suicide or an unexplained killing. This far, there has been no report of the police having identified any of the perpetrators of the murders of personnel whose brainpower has been crucial to the success of several key programs. On 23 February 2010, M. Iyer, an engineer at BARC, was found dead in his residence. The killer had used a duplicate key to enter the house and strangle the engineer in his sleep. Interestingly, efforts were made by some of the investigating police officers to pass the death off as a suicide. Finally, the Mumbai police decided to register a case of murder. However, as is usual in such cases, no arrests were made and the investigation ran into a stonewall. Forensics experts say that in all such unexplained deaths of scientists and engineers involved in the nuclear program, fingerprints are absent, as also other telltale clues that would assist the police in identifying the culprit. These indicate a high degree of professionalism behind the murders, such as can be found in top-flight intelligence agencies of the type that have been so successful in killing Iranian scientists and engineers active in that country's nuclear program.

Unlike Iran, however, which now protects its key personnel, thus far the Government of India has not taken any appreciable steps to protect the lives of those active in core strategic programs relating to the country's nuclear deterrent.

While it is true that at least one of the unnatural deaths — that of former BARC scientists Uma Rao on 29 April, 2011 — seems to be a case of suicide, the other suicide verdicts are challenged by the families of the deceased engineers and scientists, who say that there was no indication that their loved ones were contemplating such an extreme step. What is surprising is the inattention of the Government of India towards what many believe to be a systematic outside effort to slow down India's march towards nuclear excellence by killing those involved in the process. Such a modus operandi differs from that followed in the case of the cryogenic engine scandal in 1994, when key scientists working on the program to develop an indigenous cryogenic engine were picked up by the Intelligence Bureau and the Kerala police on false charges of espionage, together with two Maldivian women. The Bill Clinton administration had sought to scupper the Russian sale of such engines to India, but Russian scientists friendly to India had secretly handed over blueprints relating to the making of such engines. This soon became known to the CIA, which is believed to have orchestrated the plan to paralyse the program by sending its key scientists to prison. Although the charges were found to be entirely false, that vindication took a decade to come about, and in the process, the Indian program was slowed down by an equivalent number of years. Thus far, none of the IB or Kerala police officers who acted as the apparent catspaw of a foreign intelligence agency in slapping false charges on key scientists has suffered even a minor punishment, much less be arraigned for treason.

According to the Government of India, over just a three-year period, there have been at least nine unnatural deaths of scientists and engineers at just BARC as well as the Kaiga nuclear facility, of which two have been categorised as suicide, with the rest unexplained in terms of bringing to book those responsible.

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http://www.canindia.com/2013/10/india-d ... ence-expo/

India displays new missile at Seoul defence expo

October 30, 2013 ·

3Seoul, Oct 30 (IANS) India is showcasing its newly developed “Pragati” tactical surface-to-surface missile at the International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition ADEX-2013 being held here.

The missile, developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), has a range of 60-170 km.

Pragati is a highly potent and accurate short-range, battlefield tactical missile system capable of neutralizing identified ground targets and providing an effective counter-force weapon system.

It has all weather day and night operational launch capability.

“It is proud moment for all of us in DRDO and for all our industry partners,” said Avinash Chander, scientific adviser to the defence minister and head of the DRDO.

“Though DRDO has been participating in international exhibitions as part of India pavilion, this is for the first time in the history of India that indigenously developed major weapon systems have been taken outside the country for displaying in an international exhibition,” added Chander, who is heading a high-level delegation to the fair.

The delegation includes A. Sivathanu Pillai, CEO Brahmos; V.G. Sekaran, director general of missile and strategic systems; and senior officials from the private sector and industry chambers which are partnering DRDO in the production of various weapon systems.

The Pragati missile has quick reaction from command to launch in ripple firing mode of less than five seconds from same launcher. It is capable of carrying various types of conventional warhead of approximately 200 Kg.

The missile system has capability of deployment in stand-alone mode or centralised mode. its effective and intelligent end trajectory maneuvreing, Pragati defeats detection by any weapon locating radar.


India is also exhibiting other state-of-the-art weapon systems, platforms, sensors, communication systems designed and developed by DRDO. All these systems have been trial evaluated and inducted by the Services.

As part of the event and to further expand the cooperation between South Korea and India, an defence summit was held Tuesday in which more than 100 industries from Korea participated.

During the visit of Defence Minister A.K. Antony, the DRDO signed an MoU for identifying futuristic defence technology areas of mutual interest and pursuing R&D works in both the countries under the overarching umbrella of India-South Korea Defence Agreement.

The MoU aims at co-development and co-production of defence products with Indian industry through DRDO.

Leading defence system manufacturers from all over the world are displaying their products in ADEX.

ADEX authorities said DRDO is the largest international participant in the fair other than the Korean industrie

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Postby Philip » 01 Nov 2013 10:43

Finally some good news...if implemented.The DRDO is being restructured under a revamp plan,based upon the Rama rao Committee.In 2009,AKA constitued a committee to consider the report and views of stakeholders.Some details.

A leaner DRDO.merging of some labs,etc.,which have similar discipline and interests.

Restructuring of the DRDO,where the current DG of the DRDO would be the Chairman DRDO .
DGs at centres and CCs R&D at HQ would report to the CM who would be the head of the organisation.
The CM would head a "DRDO Management Council" having "7 DG anf 4 CCs R&D at HQ and Additonal Financial Advisor (R&D) as members.Financial Advisors at appropriate levels would report to DGs/Lab Dirs to ensure accountability.
The DRDO chief wears 3 hats.DG DRDO,SEc. R&D,and Scientific Advisor to the DM.With the appointment of 7DGs,each weilding executive and financial power over a "technology cluster",the CM will oversee them.

Revamping of the DRDO's HR structure.An eminent HR expert to be appointed to recruit talent and select the heads of the key Dirs.,etc.

Commercial arm of the DRDO as a PLC for spin-off products for civilian use.For production,pvt. industry will be tasked.

One of the key recommendations was that of decentralisation by establishing the 7 tech-based clusters of labs,based upon functionalities and tech domains.The lab DGs would be responsible for the timly execution of projects,given full autonomy,with a mechanism in place for accountability off lab Dirs.

The key disciplines/labs include:

Aeronautics-ADE,ADRDE,CABS,DARE,GTRE,CEMILAC.

Armaments-ARDE,CFEES,HEMRL,PXE,TBRL.

Combat Vehicles & Engineering- CVRDE,VRDE,R&DE,SASE.

Electronics and Computer Sciences-CAIR,DEAL,DLRL,DTRL,IRDE,LASTEC,LRDE,SAG.

HRD-DIAT,ITM

Life Sciences-DEBEL,DIBER,DFRL,DIHAR,DIPAS,DIPR,DRL,INMAS,DRDE.

Materials-DLJ,DMRL,DMSRDE

Missiles-DRDL,ISSA,ITR,RCI.

Naval-NMRL,NPOL,NSTL.

MED-ANURAG,DESIDOC,MTRDC,SSPL.

The DRDO is also looking at create tech centres in key academic institutions.

A new Def. Tech Commission mooted,bringing together all stakeholders,so that synergy between end-users like the policy makers,forces,R&D and production agencies,to integrate decision-making under the DM.The setting up of this Commission is going through procedural measures,as well as the commerical arm.(Anyone's guess as to when it will arrive)

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Postby vic » 01 Nov 2013 12:08

I think that DRDO should be allowed to choose its production agencies and should not be bound only to DPSUs and OFBs

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Postby Karan M » 05 Nov 2013 23:52

Pragati is upgraded version of Prahaar and a further version will be the one for IA as well, judging by this report. They have been refining the AAD design to make it a state of the art SSM

http://www.janes.com/article/29085/adex ... ic-missile

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) unveiled an updated version of its Prahaar battlefield missile at the Seoul International Aerospace and Defence Exhibition (ADEX 2013).

The Pragati surface-to-surface system is a solid-fueled, single-stage ballistic missile with a range of between 60 km and 170 km and a claimed circular error probable of 10 m.

Pragati shares 95% hardware commonality with Prahaar, which is being developed for the Indian Army with a stated range of 60 km to 120 km. This commonality extends to the missile cannister and the Tata transporter-erector-launcher (TEL).


VV Parlikar, an associate director of the DRDO's Research and Development Establishment, told IHS Jane's that Pragati was a "completely indigenous system" that is being developed for the army with manufacturing partner Tata.

The Prahaar is 7.3 m long, 420 mm in diameter and weighs 1,280 kg. It reaches a maximum altitude of 35 km and has a flight time of about 250 seconds against a target 140 km away. The DRDO has previously compared it to Lockheed Martin's Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) and as filling a gap in Indian capabilities between the 40 km-range Pinaka multi-barrel rocket system and the Prithvi series of tactical ballistic missiles.

A DRDO official said that the main difference between the Prahaar and Pragati was in software that controlled the flight path: whereas the Prahaar has a ballistic trajectory, the Pragati was modified to follow "a less predictable course".

Parlikar said the Pragati missile is fitted with INS/GPS guidance and thrust vectoring. Offered with four different warhead types, the missile is stored in an all-electric pressurised cannister that can be fitted to a number of different TEL systems.


The 12x12 TEL displayed in Seoul has a six-cannister system that can fire all its missiles in a 3-5 second salvo. The four-man crew can prepare for launch in five minutes and reloading takes about 15 minutes, Parlikar added.

The DRDO is also developing a 6x6 TEL fitted with two missiles and an 8x8 launcher fitted with four missiles. The 6x6 TEL is designed to be deployed in high-altitude, mountainous regions, which in India's case would presumably include the Jammu and Kashmir region and the Himalayas.

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Postby Vipul » 06 Nov 2013 04:33

Isro propels India Inc's space ambitions.

When India’s Mars orbiter mission (MOM) lifted off from Sriharikota at 2.38 pm on Tuesday, it was a moment of joy for Jayant Patil and his colleagues at Larsen & Toubro (L&T). Patil heads the defence and aerospace business unit at L&T, which has been involved in India’s space programme for three decades.

“Three middle segments of the rocket used in the Mars mission have been manufactured by us. Along with other partners, we played a large role in building and installing the 32-metre-diameter antenna for deep-space tracking. We have built the large mono pulse-tracking radar installed at Satish Dhawan Space Centre, Sriharikota. It has a range of 4,000 km, with high resolution, and is used to track satellites. We are in discussions with Isro (Indian Space Research Organisation) to further expand the scope of cooperation. Currently, we are working on segments for GSLV-Mark 3 rockets. The rocket would be capable of launching 4.5-tonne payloads. Discussions are also underway to manufacture reusable launch vehicles,” said M V Kotwal, director and president (heavy engineering), L&T.

He added, “Apart from wide-ranging capabilities for the manufacture of both metallic and non-metallic components, through our involvement in technology-intensive projects for Nuclear Power Corporation of India and Defence Research and Development Organisation, we have developed capabilities in system design and engineering, integration and project management. We look forward to a much larger role in the future for Isro, akin to that played by Lockheed Martin for NASA (National Aeronautics and Space Administration)…So far, we have handled orders worth about Rs 500 crore from Isro. While this volume of business is low in monetary terms, as more projects come up and our role enlarges, we expect the volume to increase substantially in the coming years.”

A symbol of self-reliance, India’s space endeavours are also a model for public-private partnership, with the industry providing as much as 80 per cent of the components and parts for the polar satellite launch vehicle. About 500 companies of all sizes work with Isro to manufacture components for its rockets and launch vehicles. So far, the role of private companies is restricted to the supply of components, but Isro Chairman K Radhakrishnan is batting for a wider role for the industry. The organisation is considering handing over assembly and integration of entire vehicles to select industries.

Another company with a long-standing association with Isro is Pune-based Walchand Nagar Industries. Godrej & Boyce, too, has been making components for satellites and liquid propulsion engines of launch vehicles.

“We have been associated with Isro since 1973. We have manufactured rocket motor casings and nozzles for the Mars mission,” said G K Pillai, chief executive of Walchandnagar Industries. “We have a separate aerospace business division responsible for the design, engineering and manufacture of equipment for the space sector. This has about 150 workmen, 50 engineers and world-class manufacturing and testing facilities. Due to an embargo, technology from developed countries was not available; through the past four decades, we have developed various manufacturing technologies and invested in relevant facilities,” Pillai added.

Godrej & Boyce did not respond to an email query.

“Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) delivered seven types of riveted structural assemblies and four types of welded propellant tankages for the polar satellite launch vehicle (PSLV-C25),” said HAL Chairman R K Tyagi. The company had also delivered a bare satellite structure and a deck panel to Isro, he added.

Nidhi Goyal, director, Deloitte India, said, “One of the thrust areas in the 12th five-year Plan is setting up space technology parks for increased participation by the private industry. This is an important step towards maximising self-reliance in the country’s space sector.”

L&T’s Kotwal said, “Since the sizes of components used in launch vehicles or rockets are not very large, transportation is not a major problem. As such, Isro’s plans need not await the completion and operation of space parks.”

Overall, 58 space missions have been planned for the 12th Plan period–33 satellite missions and 25 launch vehicle missions. The Plan outlay for these missions stands at Rs 39,750 crore, while non-Plan outlay is Rs 7,500 crore. To develop satellites, Isro is also tapping foreign markets. This could add to project portfolios of Indian companies.

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Postby krishnan » 06 Nov 2013 11:56

11.35 am: Indian Air Force (IAF) says Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) is unable to meet its requirements, seeks increased FDI in defence.


Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/indi ... 21773.html


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