India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Karan M » 08 Mar 2014 03:26

ROTFL, poor NYT seems to be going overboard on its bad, bad India coverage with a BJP/nationalist govt around the corner. The umpteen articles just in the past few weeks about eebil caste system oppressor Khobragade, the fascist/dictator Modi and now its Indian arms imports citing the gora sahabs of SIPRI who simultaneously claim India is a big failure and then wail about Indian misssiles and its destabilizing nukes etc. Man...the agenda of these rags & their sponsors is so transparent, its not even surprising anymore.

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Postby member_28454 » 09 Mar 2014 21:18

The biggest challenge to be overcome is the procurement practices and institutional culture of the services. This is something the popular press never highlights. In general any successful indigenous product development has been discouraged until an import is possible,
DRDO is doing the right thing by partnering and providing technology to the private sector, like with the Kestrel, as they are at present far from capable of product development of complex platforms on their own. Witness for instance that all the rest of the proposals from the private players in the FICV procurement are screwdriver jobs.
The private sector is going to run into the same problem as the public sector without institutional change at the services and MoD.


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Postby srai » 13 Mar 2014 05:30



There is a feeling within our system that defence equipment can’t be made here and should be imported. I wanted to break this myth, so we spent our money and made a product to prove we have capability in this country, so don’t just brush us aside.

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Postby partha » 13 Mar 2014 07:28

The least GoI can do is fast track approval for Kalyani's request to use test ranges and ammunition. They deserve at least that.

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Postby fanne » 13 Mar 2014 07:49

Naah I think Saint may fast track the sale of second lot of his wife painting to IA, rather than this before he demits office in few months!!

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Postby vic » 13 Mar 2014 08:00



Bloody Indians trying to make sophisticated defense equipment, send him to til fields as low paid serf labour. Only Italians and Goras are allowed to make defense equipment for Indian military. You are so useless that we will not even conduct trials, let alone place orders.



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Postby Sanjay » 07 Apr 2014 23:07

Question, what's the indigenous content by component of items like the T-72, BMP-2 and ammunition build by the OFB ?

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Postby srin » 08 Apr 2014 01:27



Thanks.

Wonder what's wrong with the wheels of the Akash launcher truck on page 1 ?

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Postby suryag » 08 Apr 2014 06:23

Generally the trailer is put on hydraullic jacks before launching to contain the recoil from firing

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Postby member_28108 » 08 Apr 2014 06:24

srin wrote:


Thanks.

Wonder what's wrong with the wheels of the Akash launcher truck on page 1 ?


It is in elevated position for firing with wheels "off contact" with the ground.Om ;load bearing the wheel aligns.

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Postby putnanja » 08 Apr 2014 23:29

From chat with Shri Tamilmani, who was CE of CEMILAC on Tarmak facebook on April 6th

LCA:
LCA is marching towards FoC.
All the design issues on lca navy has been completed. any issues arising out of flight testing will be addressed.
NP2 will be flying much before this year end.
SP1 is already for ground run ans SP2 in assemble stage. BVR trails will be much before end of 2014
In aeronautics many of the LRUs on LCA are indigenized. We continue to improve the indigenous content to 80 %. Efforts are on.
LCA MK2 design phase is completed. we are in the process of releasing drawings for production and the program is jointly progressed along with the users.
We have demostrated 1.6 M in LCA and the it is also the same for MK2
LCA Mk2- We will initiate first flight in 2017 and production in 2019
LCA Mk-2 is an EW platform.
AESA for LCA: The design phase is cocmpleted. Many of the past products like TR modules can be used here for realising the AESA. The flying test bed that drdo plans to acquire will accelerate the devlopment
Yes Astra on Mk-2. The work is on the fast track.
LCA Mk-2 is more a product improvement on Mk-1. We are not contemplating major design changes. The future products initiated will have the option of new flight control mechanism.
No prog yet called Mk-3.
Most of the electronic equipment are based on indigenous design However few of the hardware components depend on others


Rustom -Rustom is in the initial taxing test stage we may commencce develpoment flights this year by 2018 we hope to complete the certification for induction into service
2 taxi trails.

Kaveri -
We are not planning any new platform. Our focus is on resolving tech challenges on kavevri engine and prove it to be a successful Indian engine.
The solution for the few problems in kaveri are totally indian. However at times we seek an independent audit prior to testing on engine
Kaveri is in the testing phases for endurance and reliability with multiple prototypes for certification process. We hope to succeed in 2 years after completing the airworthiness tests.

AMCA -
We are in the initial stages of project definition of AMCA. Any program of this nature requires 10 years.
We are going to see the AMCA around 2020.
Concept study on AMCA is nearing completion. The project definition phase will be started shortly.
[use of kaveri in AMCa]may not be possible. Use of kaveri for AMCA as the thrust requiremnts are different. But kaveri has potential for other programs in India
AMCA being the higher weight category will have more weapon load carrying than Tejas. Details will be worked out along with the user.
We are in the process of identifying the suitable engine


LCH - LCH is on advanced stage of flight testing for certification. one of the best products with proven ALH technologies.
LUH - Prototype is getting ready for various ground test and expected to start flying during the second half of next year. It is feasible to complete the certfication trails in two years.

IJT :
We have developed trainer in the past. and the current trainer will be indicted in the during the first half of the next year. Limited Series Production is already launched.
There are some tech issues which emerged during flight testing. The solution is in sight. the certification should be in by Dec.

ERJ145 AEWS - The testing flights are on. Possibly by this year we should have the first one getting inducted.

Now it is jointly mandated that EW systems for our military applications will be totally indigeniised.
Many of our programs on EW are already successfully realised and integrated onto the fliying platforms and naval platforms
We are already in talks with Boeing for setting up wind tunnel and high-altitude engine test facilities.
for the aerronauticla activities we are in the process of having wind tunnels and high altitude test facilties and other system houses.
We have not focused on engine development. We have initiated multiple engine development progs for both UAVs, choppers and trainers synergising the competence of DRDO, HAL and private industries. You will see Indian engines by 2020.
We are already using ASICs

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Postby merlin » 09 Apr 2014 15:38

AEW is delayed from June to year end! Everything else is delayed too - Tejas Mk. 2, AMCA, IJT. Only LCH and LUH seem to be progressing well.


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Postby putnanja » 01 May 2014 18:38

HAL hands over Dornier to DRDO for LRDE’s exclusive use

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HAL produced Dornier (DO-228) aircraft ‘Nabhratna’ has been handed over to Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) ahead of schedule in Kanpur.

Dr R K Tyagi, Chairman, HAL presented the keys of the aircraft to Avinash Chander, Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister in presence of senior officers from HAL, DRDO and other establishments.
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Assuring the continued support of HAL, Dr Tyagi said the aircraft is aptly named Nabhratna and DRDO will find it extremely useful. “The aircraft will be used by Bangalore based Electronics and Radar Development Establishment (LRDE) as flying test bed (FTB) for evaluation of performance of various radars being developed by LRDE. This aircraft is equipped with indigenous synthetic Aperture Radar and state-of-the-art avionics and communication system,” he added.

Needs of LRDE fulfilled

Whenever LRDE needed to test any radar under development, they would approach Indian Navy or Indian Coast Guard for loan allotment of DO-228 aircraft for limited period. It was difficult to spare the aircraft because of operational needs resulting in delay in the development of radars. In view of this LRDE decided to procure one DO-228 aircraft on their own for testing of radar in air. The LRDE aircraft has been produced by HAL in little less than a year since finalisation of agreement.
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Postby Varoon Shekhar » 04 May 2014 16:52

[quote="putnanja"]HAL hands over Dornier to DRDO for LRDE’s exclusive use

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HAL produced Dornier (DO-228) aircraft ‘Nabhratna’ has been handed over to Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) ahead of schedule in Kanpur. "

Nice! Does anyone know what the ratio of manufacture to assembly is, on the HAL made Dornier?

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby vinod » 07 May 2014 17:57

Now that Ukraine is gone for a toss for the near future, isn't this a good opportunity to rebuild those in India - public or private sectors? I know Russia will want to do them, but we can be involved in too.


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Postby srai » 09 May 2014 12:40



Check out Arjun MBT photos on page 17:
  • Mobile camouflage system (MCS)
  • Smoke grenade discharged from the tank
  • Advanced laser warning countermeasure system w/ laser warning sensors, IR jammers and aerosol screening launchers
  • Troop training simulators

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Postby Jaeger » 09 May 2014 19:25



Sirs, I bring to your notice:

1. High Calibre Bomb
2. Deep Earth Penetrator
3. Experimental trials of "Flux Compression Generator"

What is a "Flux Compression Generator"? Try this: Also known as brown shalwar generator :twisted:

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Postby Sid » 10 May 2014 01:12

srai wrote:


Check out Arjun MBT photos on page 17:
  • Mobile camouflage system (MCS)
  • Smoke grenade discharged from the tank
  • Advanced laser warning countermeasure system w/ laser warning sensors, IR jammers and aerosol screening launchers
  • Troop training simulators


Its ALWAC system from Elbit.

Only thing missing from this system was the IR jammer from the prototype shown in parade.

http://elbitsystems.com/Elbitmain/files/ALWACS.pdf

And MCS is SAAB Barracuda

http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Land/Force_ ... ge_System/

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Postby chackojoseph » 10 May 2014 05:40

That SAAB camo:

SAAB’s approach to Armour in Indian desert

Its being supplied for our missile units.

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Postby NRao » 10 May 2014 06:23

^^^^^

Image

There is some signature from radiant heat.

Here is BAE's solution - adaptive camo, does NOT take care of heat inside the machine:


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Postby chackojoseph » 12 May 2014 17:59

DRDO Rail Track Rocket Sled Penta Rail Supersonic Track for Indian manned Space Mission

This four kilometer long RTRS Penta track will be extremely useful for the testing of wide range of critical systems such as payload for manned missions of ISRO, the navigation system for missiles and aircraft's, proximity fuses for advanced warheads, fuses for armament systems parachutes for payload delivery, arrester systems for aircraft such as LCA”, stated Avinash Chander


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Postby Yagnasri » 16 May 2014 18:08

With NM and BJP at the helm of the affairs, we can expect serious support to DRDO and indigenous efforts.

Ache din anewale hai.

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Postby NRao » 21 May 2014 16:29

One of 5 in the Genius of Design series from BBC. An hour long documentary, worth the while.

BBC The Genius Of Design 3 of 5 Blueprints For War 2010


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Postby merlin » 29 May 2014 12:28

nukavarapu wrote:^^^ Page-11 is extremely interesting. Finally it seems we are getting our act right for the turbines, or is it that something very positive occurred recently in the hush-hush and hence the new found drive? We all have been waiting for these moments for quiet sometime now. So when Dr. Tamilmani said that the realization has come and we will see multiple engines by 2020, is page-11 a concrete proof towards that? Waiting for comments from Vina, Indraneel, Karthik, Rahul M, Dakhtar and the one and only Maitya-gaaru.


Looks like it is for Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine and not for airborne applications.


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Postby RoyG » 29 May 2014 22:20

Good development. This coupled with roping in private domestic players will be a boon for defense. Can't wait for OFB and DRDO to get out of the business of developing and manufacturing arms.

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Postby member_26622 » 30 May 2014 03:01

No sane foreign defense firm will set up a 100% owned venture anyways. It's just too much risk so expect 75% Foreign and 25% Indian firm partnerships. After some time the Foreign partner will buy out Indian partner but no one sane will go in with 100% investment.

Just recollect Maruti employees roughing up Management...Indian workers have a bad reputation. In this case it helps!

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Postby chackojoseph » 30 May 2014 05:46

A Sharma wrote:DRDO June Newsletter


There is a missile on RTRS Penta Rail Supersonic Track - Guess.

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Postby A Sharma » 30 May 2014 05:57

^^
Nag/Helina

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Postby manjgu » 30 May 2014 06:09

while i have no idea abt pros /cons of 100% FDi in defence..but surely if MOD babus are opposing it, then surely its a good idea !! 100% FDi in defence will curb imports?? somebody with gyan may pl explain pros/cons of 1005 FDI

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Postby chackojoseph » 30 May 2014 06:10

Why will it require proximity fuse?


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