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Postby Sandipan » 09 Nov 2009 23:19

Rahul - It is logical that you don't want DRDO to concentrate on low end tech like Cornershot, that part is understandable but telling OFB to do it may not be fruitful. Why? because we see lot of good ideas and prototypes from OFB during the defence expos but very small portion of those are actually made in practice and out of those precious little few are actually accepted by Armed forces. So you see their Concept to actual conversion is not very good. I think it is better to purchase these low volume low tech items off the shelf

Low tech - Low Volume - Buy (Cornershot)
Low tech - High Volume - Make (INSAS)
High tech - Low Volume - Make if you know how to make or Buy if you are allowed to buy
High tech - High Volume - Make (buy critical techs)

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Postby Rahul M » 09 Nov 2009 23:29

sandipan, how many things do you see from the OFB, most of the products that you see are researched by DRDO labs. the OFBs themselves need a major re-structuring to make them more product oriented rather than continue being sick PSUs.

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Postby Shameek » 11 Nov 2009 01:55

HAL spokesperson's farewell letter.

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Postby Vipul » 12 Nov 2009 02:22

Samtel cockpit displays for Sukhoi-30MKI.

The Indian Air Force’s Sukhoi-30MKI fighter is a beast that is tamed only by technology. The aircraft’s giant AL-31FP turbofan engines, which allow manoeuvres that no other fighter can dream of, are monitored by its pilots on high-tech computer screens called multi-function displays, or MFDs. A quick glance across the MFDs also provides information about on-board weapons and sensors, telling the pilots everything about how the aircraft is flying and fighting.

These avionics — or aviation electronics — are the most expensive part of a fighter, usually about 35 per cent of its overall cost. Superior avionics provide a combat edge, helping a pilot harness his engines, airframe, sensors and weapons towards victory in aerial duels.

This month, the Su-30MKI will reach a major avionics landmark when NCR-based Samtel Display Systems supplies indigenous MFDs for six Su-30MKIs.

So far, French giant Thales has supplied MFDs for the Su-30MKIs, which are manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd in Nashik. Now Samtel Display Systems, a part of the Samtel Group, will supply these significantly cheaper than Thales.

Signalling its technological confidence, Samtel Display Systems has gone it alone in developing the Su-30MKI MFDs, despite having a JV with Thales. Starting with liquid crystal display (LCD) screens, commercially procured from Japan and Korea, Samtel has ruggedised them for use in military avionics. The display must be easily readable even in bright sunlight; it must be dim enough for the pilot to read at night without losing night vision; it must work at minus 40 degrees Centigrade when conventional LCD screens get frozen solid; and it must absorb the repeated violent impacts of landing on aircraft carriers.

It has taken Samtel five years to develop the MFDs and have them certified as “airworthy”, a mandatory evaluation for all military aviation systems, conducted by the DRDO’s Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC).

This success could garner more. Samtel Display Systems has joined hands with HAL, the country’s premier aircraft manufacturer, to form Samtel HAL Display Systems (SHDS), India’s first public-private venture in defence avionics. SHDS aims to indigenise cockpit display systems across the range of aircraft being built by HAL.

But cracking this high-risk market is difficult, even with the main buyer — HAL — as a JV partner. In response to SHDS’s offer to supply displays for HAL’s Intermediate Jet Trainer (IJT) at a price significantly cheaper than the current foreign suppliers, HAL has said: first show us how you perform in supplying MFDs for the Su-30MKI.

Interestingly, Samtel has leaped into cutting edge avionics from a relatively low-tech springboard. In 1998 Samtel — then a major supplier of Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) television displays — blundered in moving towards plasma display technology, rather than the LCD displays that many rivals chose. With global TV manufacturing majors backing LCD screens, plasma has been relegated to a sideshow.

Currently, TV sales worldwide are 200 million a year. Of these, LCD TVs comprise 105 million pieces, plasma TVs a mere 8 million pieces and the balance are CRT-based sets, which sell mainly in India and China because they are cheaper and can work on batteries. In the medium term and beyond, however, even CRT will dry up as a revenue stream.

But Samtel intends to be the last man standing in the CRT market, embracing a strategy of “obsolescence management”. As CRT production lines close down across the world, Samtel continues to manufacture the CRT displays that remain fitted on many weapons platforms worldwide.

When Sony closed down its Trinitron CRT line, its customer, US avionics major Honeywell, came to Samtel for CRT displays. A Samtel company in Ulm, Germany — purchased from Thales — produces monochrome CRT tubes for users across NATO militaries. And the Samtel Thales JV will now produce and support the Mirage-2000 video display cards, which was hitherto being done by Thales.

Samtel’s global strength in CRT comes from economy of scale and backward integration. It is the world’s only display company that manufactures its own glass. A Samtel group company in Rajasthan just buys sand for making glass for its display tubes. Even as CRT lines shut down across the world, Samtel’s CAGR remains 10-12 per cent, despite lowering its CRT prices 15 per cent annually.

Meanwhile, Samtel Display Systems has launched an ambitious technological leapfrog into Organic Light Emitting Diodes, or OLEDs, next-generation displays that are far more visible than LCDs. So far available only in sizes below 2 inches, they are already being employed on mobile phone screens and gaming controls.

“The OLED is the future of avionics displays,” says Puneet Kaura, executive director, Samtel Display Systems. “We have established a Centre of Excellence in IIT Kanpur, where we develop OLEDs in partnership with IIT Kanpur and the Department of Science and Technology. Some 20-30 per cent of R&D costs are borne by Samtel. ”

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby merlin » 12 Nov 2009 18:08

2 inch OLED


Sony has a 27 inch OLED TV out. And $2500 11 inch OLED TVs as well.

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Postby rahulm » 14 Nov 2009 08:23

ARDE had a stall at the recent Pune Expo. It was deserted and the lone ARDE lady at the stall looked lonely and bored. It was great because I was able to engage her in exclusive conversation.

ARDE is attempting to commercialise some of the cutting edge technologies it has developed http://www.flickr.com/photos/rahulm2000/4102186634/.
While finished products are celebrated, its the little unglamorous items in the brochure that are often the greatest challenge and hold up critical projects.

The "hemisphere" is ceramic and was developed for an Indian Sonar. When I asked if it was for Panchendriya, instead of an answer I received a long hard look and then she refused to look me in the eye for a while.

When she regained her composure she wanted to know which Mil established I was from and stared in disbelief when I told her I was an amateur. People just don't expect amateurs to have keen interest in military matters.

ARDE also had a machine gun on display the first 2 days. I went on the third and by then some powers had decided it was not in the national security interest to display the gun.
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Postby Rahul M » 14 Nov 2009 09:20

^^^ couldn't access the link, says it is pvt.

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Postby rahulm » 14 Nov 2009 09:39

Have edited the permissions and now should be OK to access.


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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby vina » 16 Nov 2009 17:11

I wonder how things could have been if defense R&D in India had been a bit more focused and sustained and not scattered. The Navy was far ahead of the game as usual and obviously did a lot of good things , especially in signal processing /sonar kind of thing and could nurture people like him -stanford bio and wiki bio. There are a lot of former LRDE types in top Univs in Massa (from one of my folks who did a PhD in smart antennas stuff tells me). How much ahead of the curve could we have got in Phased Array , Active Array radars and other high end signal processing etc if we had invested in new forward looking designs and funded forward looking R&D rather than importing and localizing foreign systems and wear the "satisfied self sufficiency smile".

I think it was the same missed chance in area after area, field after field. Hope that kind of stuff stops as of now and no more do we import and license manufacture critical stuff, but actually fund R&D and future systems and components.

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Postby Craig Alpert » 18 Nov 2009 05:29

India targets 1,000mw solar power in 2013
The government also plans to do away with customs and excise duty on import of capital equipment as well as ease the duty rates for raw material and inputs.

Roof-top solar power will be promoted by providing a generation based incentive for self-use as well as putting the power on to the grid.

To enhance human resources involved in the sector, it wants to train at least 1,000 engineers to specialise in the field besides providing scholarships to 100 engineers to study abroad in the first phase of the mission. IITs and other engineering institutes will be asked to set up specialised courses to meet the industry's demand.

To promote innovative uses of solar power, a venture capital fund will be set up to promote start-ups in collaboration with institutes like IIMs. A national centre of excellence for research on solar power is proposed as well to push research and development in the emerging field.

SERIOUSLY HOPE THIS PLAN FRUCTIFY... Tremendous capabilities.. creating over 2000 direct/indirect jobs, providing electricity to villages, establishing itself as an environmental friendly state.. O MY :twisted:

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Vipul » 21 Nov 2009 00:37

HAL to invest Rs25,000 crore in next 10 years.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) plans to invest more than Rs25,000 crore in the next 10 years on the back of a strong order pipeline and big ticket projects on the horizon.

The chairman of the defence PSU, Ashok Nayak, said the company has an order book of more than Rs60,000 crore.

"We have got a new order for upgrading the Jaguar once more. Fresh order for the IJT (Intermediate Jet Trainer) is imminent ... it's under approval ... may be Rs6,000 crore additional order. Hawk ... additional 57 -- 40 for IAF and 17 for the Navy -- they are trying to buy," he told reporters here today.

Nayak said HAL plans to invest Rs25,000 crore, mainly through internal accruals. "We have some reserves. Some grant will be given to each project (by the government)".

On how HAL would realise its aim of becoming a $6 billion company in 10 years, from being a $2billion company now, he said that "big-ticket projects" of multi-role combat aircraft, fifth generation fighter aircraft, multi-role transport aircraft and regional transport aircraft are expected to take off in the coming years.

"So these things will bring the company to that level," Nayak said. "We hope we can do lot more outsourcing. Infrastructure in the Indian private industry is also coming up. We would like to make use of that". Nayak said HAL is in the process of signing an MoU with the National Aerospace Laboratories to manufacture 30-35 'Saras' multi-role light transport aircraft, designed and developed by the latter.

He also said HAL has put on hold its plans to build an MRO (maintenance, repair and overhaul) facility for aircraft here, because "the situation (market for such a business) has not revived for reconsideration".

Nayak said the light combat helicopter developed by HAL is all set for its maiden flight. "It is expected to fly pretty soon. Maybe a couple of weeks ... eight-ten weeks."

Nayak said 90 advanced light helicopters (Dhruv), developed and manufactured by HAL, are flying today and the company has received orders to deliver 160 more.

On the cause of Dhruv helicopter crash in Ecuador last month, he said experts are expected to pinpoint the reason with the help of the crash data recorder in a week's time, though initial indication was that it happened due to the "sharp overmaneuvre" of the pilot.

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Postby vipins » 21 Nov 2009 00:51

Vipul wrote:HAL to invest Rs25,000 crore in next 10 years.


Nayak said the light combat helicopter developed by HAL is all set for its maiden flight. "It is expected to fly pretty soon. Maybe a couple of weeks ... eight-ten weeks :?: ."


Is it couple of months (eight - ten weeks)???

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Postby Kailash » 21 Nov 2009 09:48

LCH to fly soon

“We have overcome the weight problem. The target weight will be achieved for a successful test flight,” a HAL copter division official told IANS later.


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Postby Avinash R » 23 Nov 2009 09:50

DRDO developing herbal shield for N-war
First such project of its kind in world where extracts from herbal plants are being used
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Chandigarh, November 22

In the backdrop of nuclear, biological and chemical (NBC) weapons being a major factor in the geo-political security environment, the DRDO is developing herbal protective measures to guard the fallout of the use of such weapons.

This is the first such project of its kind in the world where extracts from herbal plants are being used to produce agents to protect humans against radioactivity. Besides military applications, the spin-off of this project will also have spin-offs in civilian sectors like nuclear medicine and radiology.

“We are in advance stages of clinical trials of these products,” Dr W Selvamurthy, Chief Controller, DRDO, said here on Friday. “Clinical trials are expected to take about a year after which the products will be sent to the Drug Controller of India for ratification,” he added.

Dr Selvamurthy said at present there was only one chemical agent available to combat radioactivity, but that was very toxic and hence dangerous to handle. The herbal products would counter this drawback. Extracts of two plants, podophylum hexandrum and the well-known seabuckthorn, are being used in the project being undertaken by three different DRDO laboratories at Leh, Delhi and Gwalior.

The plants grow only in high altitude areas above 9000 feet and are native only to the Himalayas. Efforts are on to cultivate the plants in the DRDO laboratories to ascertain their characteristics and their ability to adapt to other geographical conditions for mass-scale production, Dr Selvamurthy said.

Some other herbal products developed by the DRDO for use by the armed forces include UV protection agents, high energy food items and insect repellants. The DRDO chief said so far NBC warfare and protection items worth about Rs 800 crore developed by the DRDO and manufactured by the industry had been supplied to the armed forces.

These include sensors, detection systems, individual and collective protection systems and medical equipment.

The DRDO has recently supplied about 25 underground shelters for protection of troops in an NBC environment. Each shelter can sustain about 30 men for four days.

Orders for another 100 such shelters have been received. Under the 11th Five-Year Plan, major research and development work is being undertaken in application of nanotechnology and lasers for bio-sensors and stand-off NBC detection systems. This includes “smart” protective clothing that automatically decontaminates itself.

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Postby Avinash R » 25 Nov 2009 17:18

DRDO to develop Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle

Bangalore, Nov 25 (PTI) The Defence Research and Development Organisation will be embarking on developing an Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle (UCAV), a top official said today.

The UCAV will be produced as part of a plan to develop defence weapon systems.

"We will be embarking on UCAV, which will be an unmanned aerial vehicle with weapons. This will not only do surveillance but fire on identified targets," Dr V K Saraswat, Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister and DRDO Director General, told reporters here.

All controls of the unmanned vehicle will rest with the Command Control Centres (CCCs) which could be situated at geographically different locations. Even if one CCC becomes defunct, it can be controlled and directed from other CCCs. It will work in a layered manner, Saraswat said.

DRDO has also started work on high-altitude medium endurance UAV.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby David Saenz » 28 Nov 2009 16:03

DRDO pitches for Netra for anti-insurgency operations

It is called ‘Netra’. It’s a small eye zooming in the sky to gather real time intelligence on the ground. This unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), shaped like a spider and weighing less than 1.5 kg, is only a speck when flying at a height of 50 km but it can give real time inputs to the team that is controlling it on the ground.

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Postby vipins » 28 Nov 2009 16:42

David Saenz wrote:DRDO pitches for Netra for anti-insurgency operations

It is called ‘Netra’. It’s a small eye zooming in the sky to gather real time intelligence on the ground. This unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), shaped like a spider and weighing less than 1.5 kg, is only a speck when flying at a height of 50 km :eek: but it can give real time inputs to the team that is controlling it on the ground.

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Postby Nihat » 28 Nov 2009 16:55

This is amazing technology , very very useful in our current scenario

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Postby Rahul M » 28 Nov 2009 16:57

that would be 50m but a great thing for the boots on the ground when it is inducted.

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 28 Nov 2009 17:23

DRDO aims for 6th sense

The technology, at a nascent stage of development, is the Cognitive Technology Threat Warning System — an artificial cognitive science programme designed to analyse sensory data and alert foot soldiers against any possible threat, passive or direct, says scientific advisor to defence minister VK Saraswat.


http://www.expressbuzz.com/edition/stor ... zZRCAUTQ==

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Postby sanjaychoudhry » 28 Nov 2009 17:26

Versions of Daksh to be displayed at Defence Expo
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Versi ... xpo/547192

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Postby sunny y » 28 Nov 2009 23:10

David Saenz wrote:DRDO pitches for Netra for anti-insurgency operations

It is called ‘Netra’. It’s a small eye zooming in the sky to gather real time intelligence on the ground. This unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), shaped like a spider and weighing less than 1.5 kg, is only a speck when flying at a height of 50 km but it can give real time inputs to the team that is controlling it on the ground.


Nihat wrote:This is amazing technology , very very useful in our current scenario


Hi...This product is similiar to this developed by Ideaforge founded by IIT-B graduates.

Zeppelin IV - Quadrotor Platform
This hovering platform is a versatile flying machine. It requires minimal take-off and recovery area therby making it suitable for urban usage. Once put on GPS-hold mode, it acts like a virtual pole in the sky streaming high quality live video to the ground station with all camera controls in user’s hand.

Fireball - Fixed Wing Platform
This micro fixed wing flying platform can be operated from small open spaces or roof-top of buildings and can gather critical visual information in real time. Its quick deployment time and high airspeed make sure the user reaches the area of interest in short time

Here is their website :
http://www.ideaforge.co.in/MAV/MAV.html

Youtube Videos :
Zeppelin IV - Quadrotor Autonomous Vehicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBGrcr_d4yA

Fireball - Fixed Wing Autonomous Vehicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wud09EfME

This topic was discussed earlier too here in this thread. It is on page no. 19. It was then posted by animesharma.

Thanks

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Postby animesharma » 29 Nov 2009 09:27

The google uncle says this is netra
Image

Ideaforge may have participated in joint development, but it doesn't look like any of their own design

An another article says about the pic above
Vihang Netra Soars to New Heights
Vihang Netra, the spy plane made for the Indian army for surveillance purpose is going to be used for the radiation detection. Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), the premier atomic research centre in India is thinking in this direction. The spy plane will have to carry laser altimeter for this task to be performed.
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Vihang Netra
Vihang Netra is a unmanned aerial vehicle manufactured by city based DEMA in association with Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment (SASE) a DRDO laboratory. The plane has payload carrying capacity of 20 Kg which is mostly comprised of sensors and cameras. It can fly at 17,000 ft. altitude and has one way range of 10 Kms. Its maximum air speed is 100 Km/hour.
Dr. R. N. Sarwade, director, SASE informed Pune Mirror that the design of the next version of Vihang Netra is ready. Vihang Netra 2 will be able to fly at higher altitude and it will have more features in it.


Y. P. Jahagirdar of DEMA said, "The aeroplane can fly at any height but the problem is that normal altimeters show the altitude from sea level. Laser altimeter shows the altitude from the ground level according to the terrain of surface. If we fly the plane at very low and any obstacle comes in between, then accidents will happen. That is why we told Dr. Banerjee that laser altimeters are required."

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Postby vipins » 29 Nov 2009 13:51

animesharma wrote:The google uncle says this is netra
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wZyN-EojUrI/S ... C_0041.JPG

Ideaforge may have participated in joint development, but it doesn't look like any of their own design

An another article says about the pic above
Vihang Netra Soars to New Heights
Vihang Netra, the spy plane made for the Indian army for surveillance purpose is going to be used for the radiation detection. Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), the premier atomic research centre in India is thinking in this direction. The spy plane will have to carry laser altimeter for this task to be performed.
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Vihang Netra
Vihang Netra is a unmanned aerial vehicle manufactured by city based DEMA in association with Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment (SASE) a DRDO laboratory. The plane has payload carrying capacity of 20 Kg which is mostly comprised of sensors and cameras. It can fly at 17,000 ft. altitude and has one way range of 10 Kms. Its maximum air speed is 100 Km/hour.
Dr. R. N. Sarwade, director, SASE informed Pune Mirror that the design of the next version of Vihang Netra is ready. Vihang Netra 2 will be able to fly at higher altitude and it will have more features in it.


Y. P. Jahagirdar of DEMA said, "The aeroplane can fly at any height but the problem is that normal altimeters show the altitude from sea level. Laser altimeter shows the altitude from the ground level according to the terrain of surface. If we fly the plane at very low and any obstacle comes in between, then accidents will happen. That is why we told Dr. Banerjee that laser altimeters are required."


But the news link posted before says
shaped like a spider and weighing less than 1.5 kg

vertical take-off and landing ability

Looks like a different design,
one thing is common that Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment (SASE) is involved in both designs.

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Postby animesharma » 29 Nov 2009 22:29

In any case, i am glad that IITB incubation center is doing its bit in creating R&D based firms.Most of the other incubation center are still at initial phase I have big expectations from such startups, and they really need support from government institution like DRDO,ISRO to validate their design and make it commercially feasible.

Low level manufacturing- outsourcing is good, but sooner or later they have to outsource R&D to create a credible private partners.
IMO, the first step towards self-dependence!

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Postby sunny y » 30 Nov 2009 00:05

animesharma wrote:The google uncle says this is netra
Image

An another article says about the pic above
Vihang Netra Soars to New Heights
Vihang Netra, the spy plane made for the Indian army for surveillance purpose is going to be used for the radiation detection. Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), the premier atomic research centre in India is thinking in this direction. The spy plane will have to carry laser altimeter for this task to be performed.

Vihang Netra
Vihang Netra is a unmanned aerial vehicle manufactured by city based DEMA in association with Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment (SASE) a DRDO laboratory. The plane has payload carrying capacity of 20 Kg which is mostly comprised of sensors and cameras. It can fly at 17,000 ft. altitude and has one way range of 10 Kms. Its maximum air speed is 100 Km/hour.
Dr. R. N. Sarwade, director, SASE informed Pune Mirror that the design of the next version of Vihang Netra is ready. Vihang Netra 2 will be able to fly at higher altitude and it will have more features in it.


Thanks a lot animesh for this incredible news. Didn't know that DRDO was working on MAV. In fact they have already developed this one.

And is that DRDO logo on the wing (on the orange coloured part) ??

The reason I said it is similiar to Ideaforge's product because according to this article

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/drdo- ... ns/546890/

The developers, DRDO’s Research and Development Establishment (Engineers) and Idea Forge, a small start-up company incubated by IIT Bombay, are pitching the Netra as a device for “anti-terrorist and counter-insurgency operations”.


As both DRDO & Ideaforge are pitching for it, it means they both developed it. Right ??

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Postby animesharma » 30 Nov 2009 02:46

And is that DRDO logo on the wing (on the orange coloured part) ??


please check THIS image. You can clearly see three markings
1. DRDO
2.SASE (Snow and Avalanche Study Establishment :-? )
3.VN MK-II
4. DRDO Logo


As both DRDO & Ideaforge are pitching for it, it means they both developed it. Right ??

Its more likely to be a joint development after Ideaforge showcased their product sometime back.
I have requested for some information from ideaforge. Hope they respond :roll:

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Postby animesharma » 30 Nov 2009 02:49

Also note: Image1 is not same as Image2

So there are two versions of netra.

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Postby sunny y » 30 Nov 2009 13:16

Thanks animesh :D

Image 2 is definitely Mk-II as it is written on it so Image 1 might be Mk-I. This thing is really good not just for military but for urban SWAT teams too & it also has good export potential.

I hope IA buy some of these instead of going to uncle again (especially after they brought theirs in recently concluded Yudhabhyas).

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Postby animesharma » 30 Nov 2009 13:18

received a reply from IdeaForge
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Dear Animesh,
We are involved in the development of NETRA unmanned aerial system with DRDO's R&DE(Enggs), Pune. In the collaboration, ideaForge is developing the flying vehicle and the ground control software while DRDO is developing the ground side hardware and backpackability of the whole system.

The Indian Express seems to have made a mistake while mentioning the altitude range. It is not in kilometers. It is a 1 man portable system with a range of 1.0 - 1.5 km and can go upto 300-400 mts above ground level. The flying vehicle of the NETRA system is going to be very similar to our product CARBON.

"CARBON a completely autonomous hovering Unmanned Aerial Vehicle ideal for short range missions and requires very short training time. Its intuitive point and click graphical user interface requires minimal user assistance allowing the user to concentrate on the mission objective rather than the flying of the vehicle. Its quick deployment time and vertical take-off and landing (VTOL) ability expand its usage to confined areas of operation. It finds application in Anti-terrorist operations, Counter-insurgency in forested areas, Hostage situations, Border infiltration monitoring, Local law enforcement operations, Search and Rescue operations, Disaster management and Aerial Photography."

Specifications
Weight: 1.5 kg
Dimensions: 90 cm x 90 cm
Power source: External swappable Li-Po batteries
Payload: Customized camera options with Pan & Tilt control, wireless video transmitter

Performance
Range: 1 km LOS
Endurance: 30 min per battery charge
Cruise Speed: 25 kmph
Max. speed: 40 kmph
Wind Resistance: Upto 8 m/s
Max. Payload: 300 gms

Just for clarification, ideaForge is in no way involved with Vihang Netra. Currently we are only focusing only on man portable systems.
If you can clarify the same on the forum that would be great.

Thanks & regards,

Amardeep Singh
VP, Marketing & Operations
Unmanned Systems


Ideaforge Netra != Vihang Netra.

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Postby sunny y » 30 Nov 2009 13:29

Dear Animesh,
We are involved in the development of NETRA unmanned aerial system with DRDO's R&DE(Enggs), Pune. In the collaboration, ideaForge is developing the flying vehicle and the ground control software while DRDO is developing the ground side hardware and backpackability of the whole system.

The Indian Express seems to have made a mistake while mentioning the altitude range. It is not in kilometers. It is a 1 man portable system with a range of 1.0 - 1.5 km and can go upto 300-400 mts above ground level. The flying vehicle of the NETRA system is going to be very similar to our product CARBON.

Just for clarification, ideaForge is in no way involved with Vihang Netra. Currently we are only focusing only on man portable systems.
If you can clarify the same on the forum that would be great.

Thanks a lot for this info animesh :)

Ideaforge Netra != Vihang Netra.

Why did they have to name both the products almost same. :x
So both the above given images are of DRDO's Vihang Netra. Right ??
If yes, Can you get us any images of Ideaforge's Netra ??

Thanks

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby sanjaychoudhry » 30 Nov 2009 16:39

By 2010, DEMA Mechatronics plans to build up the capacity to produce around 100 UAV’s and 2 lakh variable time fuses and around 50,000 proximity fuses per year. “We will initially manufacture around 2 lakh variable time fuses and gradually increase the number to 5 lakh per year,” said Kamlapurkar. “We are also venturing into indigenous production of proximity fuses.”

“The UAV will be an upgraded version of the Vihanga Netra, the first effort of the DEMA consortium using Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) funds,” said Yogendra Jagirdar of Jagirdar Aeroproducts, which is in charge of designing and making the UAV aircraft, its field-testing and operation. “This will be our second attempt at manufacturing UAVs after the Vihang Netras,” he added.

There will be additional features like night vision compatibility, map overlays and the ability to lock on to a target. It will be a wheeled version, compact compared to the Vihang Netra, and weighing 25-40 kg. It will possess a range of 10 km, an altitude of 1.5 km and a speed of 100 km per hour.

Dema is planning the UAV for the civil sector as well. “The UAV can be used for non-defence forces as well, like the police or even paramilitary troops for surveillance,” said Kamlapurkar.

While fuses and UAVs are DEMA’s priority projects for full-fledged production right now, some of its members are also involved in producing moving targets and the association will gradually delve into the production of smart weapons.

“At present the Vihang Netra is being used as a moving target and we are planning to produce more targets for defence use. We also plan to produce smart mines, which are activated by remote, shoulder rocket launchers etc. The technology is already a part of some other products and we will just have to adapt them to develop the proposed products,” explained Kamlapurkar.

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... ge/333063/


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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby Jamal K. Malik » 30 Nov 2009 18:30

Exodus of Scientists from DRDO
Attrition of scientists from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has reduced in the last two years.


:D :D :D

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby animesharma » 01 Dec 2009 10:10

Why did they have to name both the products almost same.
So both the above given images are of DRDO's Vihang Netra. Right ??
If yes, Can you get us any images of Ideaforge's Netra ??

Thanks


Probably The name was inherited from DRDO stable. Please note, DRDO is the controlling body here.
The both image are indeed of Vihang netra, however i will still wait for clarification.
I have requested for images from Ideaforge. Once its with us, it will give us better idea of differences among the two systems.

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

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Re: India's R&D in Defence DRDO, PSUs and Private Sector

Postby animesharma » 02 Dec 2009 18:52

Indian Defence to outsource radar-work and battle management system

Important points from 2 page article

*The defence sector is also embarking on designing and developing an UCAV (unmanned combat aerial vehicle) or combat Drone, which will not only

conduct surveillance, gather intelligence and transmit it but will also help detect the target and destroy identified objects

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*The network centric warfare systems of Indian defence will also include cognitive intelligence systems which can analyse the brain using sensors or even ultrasonic waves. This can be used in dealing with cases of espionage and army intelligence gathering. "We have begun research on at our life sciences laboratory. But it is still at an infant stage. A soldier’s mind can be monitored in real time", he said.

*Infact, a more ambitious project the Defence sector has taken up is the Battle Management System, which provides tactical command and communication from the headquarters down to the foot soldiers.

Integrating this system involves a lot of networking of data. Defence officials said they have floated tenders for the test project of Battle Management System which currently is worth a few hundred crore which can even run up to a few thousand crore once fully implemented. "The project aims to integrate the Air force, Army and Navy", an official said.


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