Small Arms Thread

The Military Issues & History Forum is a venue to discuss issues relating to the military aspects of the Indian Armed Forces, whether the past, present or future. We request members to kindly stay within the mandate of this forum and keep their exchanges of views, on a civilised level, however vehemently any disagreement may be felt. All feedback regarding forum usage may be sent to the moderators using the Feedback Form or by clicking the Report Post Icon in any objectionable post for proper action. Please note that the views expressed by the Members and Moderators on these discussion boards are that of the individuals only and do not reflect the official policy or view of the Bharat-Rakshak.com Website. Copyright Violation is strictly prohibited and may result in revocation of your posting rights - please read the FAQ for full details. Users must also abide by the Forum Guidelines at all times.
Kakkaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3128
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 11:31

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 13 Feb 2018 21:56

ramana wrote:Very positive decision

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... Y7p7I.html


Not clear if any of OFB/ DRDO designs have been selected. :-?

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2018 22:17

True. Most likely they will pick a model and get it MII in OFB and private sector.

I hope the cartridge is the 7.62x51mm that way IA goes back to original SLR cartridge.

OFB will make ammo for the sniper rifles.

To be honest I am tired of shoddy products from OFB that we find out in a shooting war like Kargil.

Our RayC told us the problems during that war and not too many paid attention.


Anyway does anyone know the rifling twist for INSAS for the 5.56x45 NATO cartridge?


its very crucial to understand its performance.

Small cartridges like 5.56 need faster spin for stability at ranges.

Stoner has 1:14 inch for the original rifle.
During development trials it was reduced to 1:12 to spin it more.
Eventually to ~ 1:9

So what is INSAS twist?

Shameek
BRFite
Posts: 695
Joined: 02 Jan 2009 20:44
Location: Ionosphere

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Shameek » 13 Feb 2018 22:23

From what I remember reading, it is 1:7.8. Will try to find the source. The barrel was ~18 inches long.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2018 22:29

That's fast spin rate. Good to know.
Actually about twice that for original 5.56x45 cartridge created by Stoner.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2018 22:36

X-post as I could not post the HT article

HAs lots of details...

Vips wrote:Boost for armed forces as Defence Ministry approves acquisitions worth over Rs 15,000 crore.

The Indian Armed Forces received a shot in the arm on Tuesday as the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) accorded approval to capital acquisition proposals of the services valued at approximately Rs 15,935 crore.

Chaired by Defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman, the DAC approved the procurement of essential quantity of light machine guns for the three services through the Fast Track Procedure at an estimated cost of over Rs 1,819 crore. This procurement will meet the operational requirement of the troops deployed on the borders.

A concurrent proposal is being processed for the balance quantity to be procured under the ‘Buy and Make (Indian)’ categorisation.

In addition, the DAC cleared a proposal to procure 7.4 lakh assault rifles for the three services. These rifles will be ‘Made in India’ under the categorisation of ‘Buy and Make (Indian)’, through both Ordnance Factory Board and Private Industry at an estimated cost of Rs 12,280 crore.

In a bid to equip the soldiers on the border with modern and more effective equipment, the DAC has fast tracked procurement of the three main personal weapons, i.e., rifles, carbines and light machine guns in the last one month.

The DAC also approved procurement of 5,719 sniper rifles for the Indian Army and Indian Air Force at an estimated cost of Rs 982 crore. While these high precision weapons will be bought with ‘Buy Global’ categorisation, the ammunition for these will be initially procured and subsequently manufactured in India.

To enhance the anti-submarine warfare capabilities of Indian Naval Ships, the DAC accorded approval for the procurement of Advanced Torpedo Decoy Systems (ATDS) for the Indian Navy. The ‘Mareech’ system has been developed indigenously by Defence Research and Development Organisation and has successfully completed extensive trial evaluations.

The ‘Mareech’ systems will be produced by Bharat Electronics Limited in Bengaluru at an estimated cost of Rs 850 crore.

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 5409
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2018 22:38

X-Post from the Miscellaneous Pictures - Indian Armed Forces thread...

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 9071864832 --> An Indian Navy Marine Commando (MARCOs) somewhere in Kashmir

Image

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2018 22:49

I don't know what kick these guys get by posting weapons carried by special forces in sensitive areas.

What's with that?
Want to alert enemy about who is armed with what?

nobody needs to know what weapons are carried by special forces and where they are posted.

Do you see SEALS or Royal Marine Commandos pictures and weapons?

And all have big, big names for handle!!!

Strategic Frontier, Shatrujeet whatnot.


All are big egos with small brains.

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 5409
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2018 22:58

Ramana-ji: The MARCOS is called the Dadi Wali Fauj by the terrorists for a reason. They are truly feared by them. At that level, what weapons they carry is not the issue for the terrorists. The biggest problem is the commando himself. These guys are trained to kill without being discovered. Stealth combat without being seen. They are truly a class unto themselves. Para-SF is another feared unit.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 13 Feb 2018 23:01

While I agree, look at Honorary Captain Chaudhry who died at Sanjuwan.

Without weapons he confronted the terrorists and save his family when his quarters were attacked.

Terrorists should fear everyone of the IA.

tsarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2453
Joined: 08 May 2006 13:44
Location: mumbai

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby tsarkar » 13 Feb 2018 23:06

Rakesh wrote:An Indian Navy Marine Commando (MARCOs) somewhere in Kashmir

Tattoos are not allowed in Indian Armed Forces. Same goes for the filmy haircut.

Rakesh
Forum Moderator
Posts: 5409
Joined: 15 Jan 2004 12:31
Location: Planet Earth
Contact:

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2018 23:15

Saar, I just posted the twitter link :)

Indranil
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6735
Joined: 02 Apr 2010 01:21

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Indranil » 14 Feb 2018 00:09

ramana wrote:While I agree, look at Honorary Captain Chaudhry who died at Sanjuwan.

Without weapons he confronted the terrorists and save his family when his quarters were attacked.

Terrorists should fear everyone of the IA.

There are so many tales of bravery. But, for me this one takes the cake really! An unprepared 50 year old unarmed man taking on armed men half his age and saving his family. Doesn't get much better than this.

Bharadwaj
BRFite
Posts: 197
Joined: 09 Oct 2006 11:09

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Bharadwaj » 15 Feb 2018 14:02

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-K8_92CzbY

These new aks seem to have very little recoil. With our troops already in love with their predecessors for counter terror ops, it may make sense to do a tot with the bear and make these at ofb.

nvishal
BRFite
Posts: 691
Joined: 14 Aug 2010 18:03

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby nvishal » 15 Feb 2018 14:27

Is that a commando or an underwear model? lol

I doubt SF units like being photographed

jaysimha
BRFite
Posts: 636
Joined: 20 Dec 2017 14:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby jaysimha » 15 Feb 2018 16:42

Ministry of Defence13-February, 2018 17:45 IST

DAC Clears Proposal Worth Rs 15,935 Crore

The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt Nirmala Sitharaman, met today and accorded approval to Capital Acquisition Proposals of the Services valued at approximately Rs 15,935 crore.

These included procurement of essential quantity of Light Machine Guns for the three Services through the Fast Track Procedure at an estimated cost of over Rs 1,819 crore. This procurement will meet the operational requirement of the troops deployed on the borders. A concurrent proposal is being processed for the balance quantity to be procured under the 'Buy and Make (Indian)' categorisation.

The DAC also accorded approval for procurement of 7.4 lakh Assault Rifles for the three Services. These Rifles will be ‘Made in India’ under the categorisation of 'Buy and Make (Indian)', through both Ordnance Factory Board and Private Industry at an estimated cost of Rs 12,280 crore.

In the last one month, to equip the soldiers on the border with modern and more effective equipment, the DAC has fast tracked procurement of the three main personal weapons, i.e., Rifles, Carbines and Light Machine Guns.

The DAC also approved procurement of 5,719 Sniper Rifles for the Indian Army and Indian Air Force at an estimated cost of Rs 982 crore. While these high precision weapons will be bought with ‘Buy Global’ categorisation, the ammunition for these will be initially procured and subsequently manufactured in India.

NAo/DK/Rajib


(Release ID :176543)

Prasad
BRF Oldie
Posts: 6828
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 00:53
Location: Chennai

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Prasad » 15 Feb 2018 17:03

nvishal wrote:Is that a commando or an underwear model? lol

I doubt SF units like being photographed

They do, if you ask them nicely :)

Manish_P
BRFite
Posts: 1360
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 17:34

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 15 Feb 2018 20:37

Bharadwaj wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-K8_92CzbY

These new aks seem to have very little recoil. With our troops already in love with their predecessors for counter terror ops, it may make sense to do a tot with the bear and make these at ofb.


They do hold a lot of promise. Need to see how the hold up in actual sustained use by troops. More the moving parts (balanced recoil system), dicier it gets (if not machined properly). But they have been testing and fine tuning it for years, so looks like any issues (if any) would have been ironed out and it may well be good for us to get these.

Bart S
BRFite
Posts: 1215
Joined: 15 Aug 2016 00:03

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Bart S » 15 Feb 2018 21:22

Manish_P wrote:
Bharadwaj wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-K8_92CzbY

These new aks seem to have very little recoil. With our troops already in love with their predecessors for counter terror ops, it may make sense to do a tot with the bear and make these at ofb.


They do hold a lot of promise. Need to see how the hold up in actual sustained use by troops. More the moving parts (balanced recoil system), dicier it gets (if not machined properly). But they have been testing and fine tuning it for years, so looks like any issues (if any) would have been ironed out and it may well be good for us to get these.


A look at the Kalashnikov factories shows that their manufacturing philosophy has changed from the 50s when the emphasis was to stamp out millions of these at low cost, and their production floor looks fully automated and high-tech, geared for precision manufacturing.

SaiK
BRF Oldie
Posts: 35688
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 12:31
Location: NowHere

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby SaiK » 16 Feb 2018 10:28

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/ne ... 754141.ece
Armament R&D Establishment working on new assault rifle


INSAS replacement

During the same time, in February 2016, the Alteration Committee of the defence ministry approved modifications in the existing Indian Small Arms System (INSAS) 1B rifle. Sources indicated the INSAS will be replaced with deadlier assault rifles of higher caliber 7.62x51 mm.

The assault rifles will be of 7.62 mm calibre, while the carbines will be of 5.56 mm calibre. The request for information (RFI) for the new assault rifle with specification 7.62x51mm has also been issued Sources added that acquisition of new artillery guns, “through five procurement cases that also involve indigenous production,” has also been approved.

tsarkar
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2453
Joined: 08 May 2006 13:44
Location: mumbai

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby tsarkar » 16 Feb 2018 10:38

Rakesh wrote:Saar, I just posted the twitter link :)

Rakesh, that looks like a dude visiting his brother/friend in a forward area and putting on his gear to look cool. The haircut is against regulations and it's doubtful stylists are available in forward areas to give that haircut. Tattoos too are against regulations.

Allowing relatives access to equipment is against regulations too but people get bored/lonely so some leeway is given. Mostly to "help" brother/friends impress chicks.

Alternately it may be a "know your army" event and this chap put on equipment on display. There is a person called Kunal Biswas who does that regularly at shows and whose photos are posted here and elsewhere on the internet.

The chap in the photo is definitely not MARCOS.

Manish_P
BRFite
Posts: 1360
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 17:34

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 16 Feb 2018 11:59

Bart S wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
They do hold a lot of promise. Need to see how the hold up in actual sustained use by troops. More the moving parts (balanced recoil system), dicier it gets (if not machined properly). But they have been testing and fine tuning it for years, so looks like any issues (if any) would have been ironed out and it may well be good for us to get these.


A look at the Kalashnikov factories shows that their manufacturing philosophy has changed from the 50s when the emphasis was to stamp out millions of these at low cost, and their production floor looks fully automated and high-tech, geared for precision manufacturing.


I don't doubt that.. i was referring to the ruggedness, reliability and ease of maintenance of the system on the field, in varied conditions, with extended rough usage, which the older gen excelled at.

Vips
BRFite
Posts: 856
Joined: 14 Apr 2017 18:23

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Vips » 28 Feb 2018 23:49

Defence ministry approves purchase of 41K LMGs, 3.5 lakh carbines.

The defence ministry on Wednesday approved capital acquisition proposals worth nearly Rs 9,435 crore including procurement of 41,000 light machine guns and over 3.5 lakh battle carbines to bolster firepower of infantry soldiers deployed along borders with China and Pakistan.

The proposals were cleared at a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the defence ministry's highest decision making body on procurement.

The total cost for procurement of 41,000 LMGs will be Rs 3,000 crore while over 3.5 lakh Close Quarter Battle Carbines will be bought at a cost of Rs 4,607 crore respectively, defence ministry officials said.

They said the weapons are being procured particularly to enhance the fire power of soldiers deployed along India's borders with Pakistan and China.

"With the approval of these two proposals, the government has cleared procurement of the entire range of personal weapons for the three services," the ministry said in a statement.

It said "Of these, immediate operational requirement for the soldiers deployed on the borders will be procured through fast track procurement and for the balance production lines will be set up in India."

On February 13, the defence ministry had approved capital acquisition proposals worth Rs 15,935 crore which included purchase of 7.40 lakh assault rifles, 5,719 sniper rifles and light machine guns.

Out of total quantities of the weapons, 75 per cent will be procured through Indian Industry under 'Buy & Make (Indian)' category and balance through the state-run Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), officials said.

The DAC, chaired by Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, also approved procurement of "essential quantity" of 'High Capacity Radio Relay' (HCRR) for the Army and the Air Force at an estimated cost of over Rs 1,092 crore.

The defence ministry said these state-of-the-art, high capacity radio relays would ensure reliable communication to the services along with increased bandwidth in the tactical battle area.

To enhance the ability of the Indian Coast Guard to rapidly undertake pollution control measures off the East Coast and Island Territories, the DAC cleared the proposal for acquisition of two Pollution Control Vessels (PCV).

The vessels would be built by Indian shipyards at an approximate cost of Rs 673 crore.

"These ships in addition to carrying out pollution control would also be capable of undertaking patrolling, search and rescue and limited salvage and fire fighting operations at sea," the ministry said.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 01 Mar 2018 01:04

In the 13 February approval how many LMGs were included?
Looks like this is 41K LMGs are additional to those being acquired.


rkhanna
BRFite
Posts: 1053
Joined: 02 Jul 2006 02:35

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby rkhanna » 01 Mar 2018 10:43

Prasad wrote:
nvishal wrote:Is that a commando or an underwear model? lol

I doubt SF units like being photographed

They do, if you ask them nicely :)



That is a MARCOS operator and if you spend times on Shatrujeet's and INDRA's FB pages you will know that they all like being photographed and from what i understand there is a tacit MOD okay to build PR.

Either way welcome to the world of Millennials and Instagram :)

darshhan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2280
Joined: 12 Dec 2008 11:52

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby darshhan » 01 Mar 2018 12:34

tsarkar wrote:
Rakesh wrote:An Indian Navy Marine Commando (MARCOs) somewhere in Kashmir

Tattoos are not allowed in Indian Armed Forces. Same goes for the filmy haircut.


TSarkar ji, Special forces regulations regarding haircuts are much more relaxed compared to regular army or navy. As far as tattoo is concerned he might have got it after induction in marcos. What matters is his combat performance/kill rate. If that is good and in all probability it will be, why would his CO be perturbed about a tattoo. Anyways special forces culture is about warrior spirit, fighting and action. I seriously doubt if they care much about haircuts/hierarchies/salutes/parades etc compared to the regular army.
Last edited by darshhan on 01 Mar 2018 12:48, edited 1 time in total.

ParGha
BRFite
Posts: 859
Joined: 20 Jul 2006 06:01

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ParGha » 01 Mar 2018 12:38

One thing I don’t understand: people b!+(# endlessly about 5.56x45mm being inadequate and unsuitable for COIN/CT operations... so how come the spec ops troops, who presumably have a lot of discretion to buy what they wish, end up with 5.56x45mm Tavors, Sigs and M4s after paying thousands of dollars?

darshhan
BRF Oldie
Posts: 2280
Joined: 12 Dec 2008 11:52

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby darshhan » 01 Mar 2018 12:47

nvishal wrote:Is that a commando or an underwear model? lol

I doubt SF units like being photographed


Welcome to the new age. First thing I would like to clarify. Todays special forces are very much into gymming and weight lifting. Brute strength especially wrt carrying huge loads is very much a part of todays standard mission profile. The most recent example is surgical strikes. Imagine the no. of carl gustav and shmel rounds each team would have to carry to pulverise each of the camps. Only way you can cart such heavy loads is by developing upper body strength.

As far as being photographed is concerned, opsec is being ensured by blurring the image.

The problem is that it is the general public that craves action taken reports. In absence of such they start getting demoralised and then they get all negative towards the govt. So this is where Shatrujeet types step in assuring people that someone is taking the fight to the enemy.

Shankk
BRFite
Posts: 240
Joined: 30 Jan 2006 14:16

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Shankk » 03 Mar 2018 11:25

CRPF to conduct trials of “Made in India” rifles

Soon after procuring 7000 Bulgaria-made AK 47 rifles, the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has tested the advanced version of made in India ‘Ghatak’ guns recently in field trial in Kashmir Valley.

However, in a major boost to the “Made in India” brand of rifles, the force is all set to test three crucial varieties of assault weapons, including the Trichy Assault Rifle, and Joint Venture Protection Carbine and the latest variant of Insas I-C.

jaysimha
BRFite
Posts: 636
Joined: 20 Dec 2017 14:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby jaysimha » 06 Mar 2018 15:26

Ministry of Defence
DAC Clears Procurement of Entire Range of Personal Weapons for Three Services
Posted On: 28 FEB 2018 6:37PM by PIB Delhi
The Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), chaired by Raksha Mantri Smt. Nirmala Sitharaman, met here today and accorded approval to Capital Acquisition Proposals of the Services and Coast Guard valued at approximately Rs 9435 crore.



In a major boost to the Make in India initiative the DAC accorded approval for procurement of 41000 LMGs and over 3.5 Lakh Close Quarter Battle Carbines under Buy and Make (Indian) category These weapons are an essential component of a soldier’s fighting equipment and will provide a major filip to the fighting capability of the troops. Out of total quantities envisaged, 75 percent will be through Indian Industry under 'Buy & Make (Indian)' category and balance through OFB. The earmarked quantity for the OFB has been kept to optimally utilise their infrastructure and capacity, as well as provide a window for assimilation of critical technologies towards building indigenous capability in Small Arms manufacturing. The total cost for procurement of Carbines and LMGs for the soldiers of the three Services is Rs 4607 crore and Rs 3000 crore respectively.



The vintage of personal weapons, Assault Rifles Carbines and LMGs being operated by the troops of the three Services, especially by soldiers positioned on the borders and in areas affected by militancy has been a cause of concern for over a decade. The Government has been conscious of the requirement to modernise basic fighting weapons for the soldiers and has therefore accorded utmost priority to these cases. With the approval of these two proposals, the Government has cleared procurement of the entire range of personal weapons for the three Services. Of these, immediate operational requirement for the soldiers deployed on the borders will be procured through Fast Track Procurement and for the balance production lines will be set up in India.



The DAC also accorded approval for procurement of essential quantity of High Capacity Radio Relay (HCRR) for the Indian Army and Indian Air Force under Buy (Indian) categorisation at an estimated cost of over Rs 1092 crore. These state-of-the-art, High Capacity Radio Relays would provide the Services with fail-safe and reliable communication along with increased bandwidth in the Tactical Battle Area.



To enhance the ability of the Indian Coast Guard to rapidly undertake pollution control measures off the East Coast and Island Territories the DAC cleared the proposal for acquisition of two Pollution Control Vessels (PCV). These would be built by Indian shipyards under Buy (lndian-lDDM)' category at an approximate cost of Rs 673 crore. These ships in addition to carrying out pollution control would also be capable of undertaking patrolling, search and rescue and limited salvage and fire­ fighting operations at sea.

SRR/NAo/Nampi/HS



(Release ID: 1522087) Visitor Counter : 727


http://pib.nic.in/PressReleaseIframePag ... ID=1522087

Kakkaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3128
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 11:31

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 25 Mar 2018 09:10

Army inches closer to getting advanced assault rifles, carbines, machine guns

NEW DELHI: The procurement of more than 70,000 advanced assault rifles, around 90,000 carbines and a large quantity of Light Machine Guns mainly for the army on a fast track basis has moved a step forward with the defence ministry today issuing Request for Proposals for the weapons, top ministry sources said.

The RFPs which also looks at meeting the requirements of the other defence services have been given to about 12 vendors, said sources.

The primary weapon for the army is the assault rifle and the army in the RFP has specified that it should have an effective range of 500 m. Experts said that this is a perfect range for such a weapon, because anything beyond this changes the trajectory of the bullet due to the wind affect.

“The rifle will have a calibre of 7.62x41mm bullets and should weigh less than four kg,” said sources.

Even the carbines and Light Machine Guns (LMGs) being procured on fast-track basis are also for the frontline troops. The three weapons will be procured without the relevant sights such as telescopic sight and night vision sight, which will be procured separately.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 25 Mar 2018 10:10

Not 7.62x51?
I know 7.62x39 is the Ak47
What us 7.62x41?

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 25 Mar 2018 10:13

I just checked. No such cartridge is there.

shiv
BRF Oldie
Posts: 35041
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30
Location: Pindliyon ka Gooda

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby shiv » 25 Mar 2018 10:26


Space-filler "news" Nothing more. ET inches closer to filling its daily target of clicks..

Kakkaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3128
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 11:31

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 26 Mar 2018 03:03

The story is important in that it reports that the RFP has been issued. So, another checkpoint in tracking procurement.

Manish_P
BRFite
Posts: 1360
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 17:34

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Manish_P » 06 Apr 2018 12:05

Govt firms up plans for made-in-India Kalashnikov rifles

The government has firmed up plans with Russia to manufacture the famous Kalashnikov rifles in India for the Army, which now has changed specifications that allow AK-103 rifles to fit the bill.

ET has reliably learnt that a high level team headed by the Director General (Acquisitions) in the defence ministry and two representatives from the Ordnance Factory Board will be in Russia later this month to visit and assess the Kalashnikov facility.

The decision to send a team this month was taken following detailed discussions during defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman just-concluded visit to Russia.


Any news/details on the 'changed' specs ?

Thakur_B
BRFite
Posts: 1215
Joined: 11 Aug 2016 06:14

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 06 Apr 2018 14:20

^^ OFB presented license built AK 103 prototypes few months back. Pics on previous pages.

Vips
BRFite
Posts: 856
Joined: 14 Apr 2017 18:23

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Vips » 06 Apr 2018 20:25

Manish_P wrote:Govt firms up plans for made-in-India Kalashnikov rifles

The government has firmed up plans with Russia to manufacture the famous Kalashnikov rifles in India for the Army, which now has changed specifications that allow AK-103 rifles to fit the bill.

ET has reliably learnt that a high level team headed by the Director General (Acquisitions) in the defence ministry and two representatives from the Ordnance Factory Board will be in Russia later this month to visit and assess the Kalashnikov facility.

The decision to send a team this month was taken following detailed discussions during defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman just-concluded visit to Russia.


Any news/details on the 'changed' specs ?


I am sure if the GOI challenges/entrusts Bharat Forge or other like minded companies to develop a world class assault rifle with assured line of business if they meet the criteria (no moving goal posts) then we would not have to be in this rut.

ramana
Forum Moderator
Posts: 50066
Joined: 01 Jan 1970 05:30

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby ramana » 07 Apr 2018 06:25

GOI is cleaning up pending procurements.
AK-103 with 7.62x39mm should have been made long ago for the CI troops.

Kakkaji
BRF Oldie
Posts: 3128
Joined: 23 Oct 2002 11:31

Re: Small Arms Thread

Postby Kakkaji » 07 Apr 2018 07:54

So, if the other rifle that is selected for the 'frontline troops' is of calibre 7.62x51, then their aammunition will not be interchangeable?

If so, that will complicate logistics for the army.


Return to “Military Issues & History Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 18 guests