Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby RamaY » 24 Jun 2009 01:39

AbhishekM,

Great vantage point! Please post interjections to others' posts so we can create a worse-case scneario for Indian preparedness.

Thanks!

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Jun 2009 09:49

Beautiful post abhishekm... Love the angle you are taking.. showing the pakistani counteractions... nice work man... keep it up...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Rupesh » 24 Jun 2009 11:21

AbhishekM Welcome to BRF..

GR8 stuff.... This makes me think about Dilip Saars Spy Story

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby arjun_vs » 24 Jun 2009 21:35

Great Abhi. :D But y don't somebody write about a scenario in which our AWACS is threatened. :evil: . Pakis would in real case do something...sure.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Sudhanshu » 25 Jun 2009 01:14

To threaten our AWACS I think they will have to mount real Jehadi Attack.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek.sharma » 27 Jun 2009 06:53

Story Recap
Day 1
Chapter 1: Hunted becomes the hunter
- Peshawar under Siege

Day 2
Chapter 2: The Tiger Awakens
- Peshawar falls
Chapter 3: The Tiger Growls
- Indian PM declares TSP airspace blockade
- Task Forces 1-4 get ready to be deployed

Day 3
Chapter 4: The Tiger shows its teeth,
- Indian Ultimatum results in 16 F-16s crashes
- TSP Missiles commit Fratricide

Day 4
- Paki Sub destroyed
- Lt Amit and Lt. Punit on their way to covert operations inside TSP

Day 8
- Attack on Jaiselmer sector by XXXI corp begins

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Postby vivek.sharma » 27 Jun 2009 06:57

Day 8 Continues…

0122 HRS, Village of Islamgarh, Pakistan


Colonel Ahmed commanding the Artillery was barking orders for his team to fire as fast they can. Based on the tools that Indian artillery have after the fiasco in Kargil he had expected 10 minutes before Indians artillery will be able to pinpoint his position. But even then he was not sure as he knew the UAV’s in the air would provide an additional advantage.

Just as soon he ordered another round of firing to commence, an explosion threw him out and he was covered with flesh and blood. Colonel Ahmed blacked out for a second and when he came around he thought to himself, “That’s strange I don’t feel any pain.” But then he realized the artillery gun besides him has been decimated and flesh and blood on him was not his, but the radioman standing besides him. Colonel Ahmed immediately ordered another radio and started telling everyone , “Move out and start moving guns as planned. Front line to move ahead 50 meters to right, rear line to move back 30 meters and left.”

0124 HRS, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps

Colonel Abhis’ gunners were giving it all they had. All the guns were booming, with smoke and dirt hindering the visibility. But this was not a real hindrance, all they knew was that a reply had to be given and this was it.

Abhi watched the UAV feed as paki guns silenced and started to move. He immediately ordered to change the firing coordinates and guns group 2 and 4 to take on the rear and 1 and 3 to lay fire on the front of the paki gun formation.

0125 HRS, Approximately 1 KM West of Village of Bhuttelwala.

With all the heavy soil particulates in air it was hard to make out where the Indian t-90’s were positioned, though Colonel Gurez knew for sure that were just on the other side of the canal. He has just been informed of the counter fire from Indian artillery on their artillery position, which meant he currently has no threat from the Indian artillery and this was his signal to go.

He got on the radio and radioed Jung, “Jung your turn, let’s get these t-90’s out of the ratholes”

First stage of Colonel Gurez and Colonel Jung’s plan was to throw a bone to Indian units by moving infantry units in front and drawing them to fire on infantry units. This way they will know the position of enemy tanks and BMPs, then Paki T-80’s will open the fire disabling most the enemy T-90’s.

Lt. Adnan heard the order and grimaced, “Ahh f***! What the hell. At least my friends from 35 infantry will be fighting a fair war at Sarkari Tala. I am here to be sacrificed…”

But he was no coward, so he ordered his unit to start firing at the imaginary enemy with all they got. Similarly orders went down to other units and all of a sudden tracers went into air. The night became as bright as day and the stars were not visible any more.

0126 HRS, Approximately 1 KM West of Village of Bhuttelwala.

Naik singh and other forward spotters took full advantage of the tracer fire, they confirmed the coordinates of the major enemy concentrations and entered them on the tactical laptops Shakti. The data was immediately transferred to mobile command.

0128 hours, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps.

General Prakaram was looking at the latest data coming in from forward spotters. All the data was being shown on the transparent glass screen in front of him. It was clear that at the moment major thurst was on Bhuttewala as Kishangarh and Sarkari Tala have not reported any major enemy sightings.

General Prakaram looked at the screen once more and then picked up the corps wide radio…

0129 HRS, 2.0 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines

Brigadier Sher Singh was not happy seeing Paki Infantry moving closer to the canal. They have been firing RPG’s and portable anti-tank ammunition at them, but none of his units have moved or opened fire yet, because everybody knew opening fire will only confirm their positions.

Just then the radio crackled with General Prakaram’s voice, “Jaguar 1 to Artillery attachments of 11 and 12 Infantry, prepare to commence fire on the coordinates that will be passed on to you by Foxtrot 1. In the mean time we are sending supplies to replenish your stock”

Brigadier Sher Singh replied, “Foxtrot 1 here, I am marking the coordinates. Commence marking fire and we will make a few changes as I want to take care of the hidden t-80’s first and get them out in our firing line.”

0132 HRS, 1.5 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines

Lt. Adnan’s unit was within 100 meters of the canal, when he heard the telltale zoom sounds of artillery shells and everybody ducked to the ground, but no explosion came near them.

In the mean time Captain Qureshi was sitting idle in his tank and was discussing the latest Hindi movie with his driver when the whole ground shook. The whole tank shook and before he could think what was happening another shell exploded. The hindi movie discussion was over and Captain Qureshi was on radio with his CO, Colonel Gurez.

Colonel Gurez was not sitting idle either; he was receiving reports of accurate fire from Indian side. Two of his tanks have already been disabled. Gurez called Jung on the encrypted Motorola radio, “Jung, change of plans. If we keep sitting here we may loose more tanks. It will be better if we move out, at least we will have a fair chance of getting those t-90’s. Let your units know you got 1 minute.”

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby aditp » 27 Jun 2009 07:48

ahujaji, are you waiting for shankar's scenario to complete before resuming your own?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Nitesh » 27 Jun 2009 10:19

Plot is coming alive now great going vivek saar

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 27 Jun 2009 21:06

Nice work so far Sharma Sir.. nice pace you have built up so far...

Shankar Sir, Vivek Ahuja sir why are you guys absconding.. its been a long time since you've made a post...

Btw how is your book shaping up sir??? any updates on that front???

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 28 Jun 2009 14:14

SOMEWHERE NEAR IB – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -HRS +4 SU 30 MKI-1715 HOURS

Air commodore Bhaskar stretched his hand and got out of the bucket seat. The master display was now a mess of colors and numbers .The 80 odd flankers were racing forward in multiple formations and PAF was generating sorties to counter them at an impressive rate. The display showed at least 28 F-16 s were either in air or taxing out of the Sargodha satellite bases 3 and 4 . About an equal number of Mirage 5 have already taken off from Lahore and Hyderabad and heading straight for the target zone .If the flankers maintain present speed they will be intercepted and the planned bombing run will compromised as a dog eat dog type air to air will develop.

He needed to buy time for the flankers on bombing mission at any cost and for that he needed to block the incoming bandits quickly.

To do that he needed to grab their attention first

Assign new call signs to flanker escorts and the fulcrums –now
- new call signs assigned sir
- ok let the flankers go full reheat and stop the falcons before they reach cruise altitude
- dragon lead (4 x su-30)– eagle eye – target vector 315 – angels 1500 meters climbing –falcons of Sargodha -28 plus –take them out –over
- copy that eagle eye – new heading 315 – rolling now for max speed intercept –understand weapons free –over
- confirm that dragon lead –you are weapons free on all targets – reinforcements on the way
- pune vipe(8xmig 29k)r – eagle eye – follow dragon flight – make sure none of the damn falcons slip through –make altitude 10000 meters –heading 315 –over
- copy eagle eye – new heading 315 –climbing to 10k meters – not using afterburner for the time being – are we weapons free
- negative pune viper you are not weapons free at the moment – over
- copy that –weapons not free –rolling now
- fire arrow – eagle eye without cover – you are assigned escort duty –confirm over
- eagle eye – fire arrow( 4xsu-30 mki)- message understood – request come up to new heading 090 –same altitude – we shall be in position in one zero minutes –over

DRAGON FLIGHT -4XSU-30 MKI -1718 HRS

Wing commander Tejas grimaced as he was asked to leave the phalcon un protected and rush out after the climbing falcons somewhere over the Sargodha air base complex . Protecting the Phalcon was his primary mission and he would never be able to forgive himself if some thing happened to it in the heat of the battle .He knew other equally competent pilots will take his place but still he was specifically trained to escort these expensive birds over long hours and in all kind of weather situation .Any way he surely was not in a position to argue with the air battle commander .
He was carrying a full air to air load and that made his flight the obvious quick response team to counter the quickly generating threat situation . All the four flankers were loaded to the gill 6 R-77b and 8 R-73 plus the obligatory 150 rounds for his gasha gun .

- dragon 2 3 4 –lead –make new heading 315- altitude 2000 meters – target 28 F-16 –upgraded with possible AIM 9X sidewinders and AMRAAM – we stay close till interception zone –over
- dragon2 copies
- dragon 3 confirms
- dragon 4 on the way

The four Su 30 s banked to starboard smartly and climbed down to new intercept altitude quickly –powerful Bars still on stand by mode and IRTS on full power maximum gain mode they arrowed straight forward at max speed close to 2000 kmph
For a surprise sneaky attack .

Back in the Phalcon .air commodore Bhaskar looked at the developing attack profile and smiled –this guy Tejas is good no doubt ,he knows stealth is always the best form of attack and by keeping radar off he is denying the enemy any warning of a specific attack ,creating for his team priceless advantage of few extra minutes .

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 29 Jun 2009 14:17

DRAGON FLIGHT -4XSU-30 MKI -1737 HRS

Wing commander Tejas reconfigured the multifunctional displays quickly .As the mission computer was switched from navigate to attack mode the main central display showed the multiple enemy aircraft in a classic fast climb out pattern .still most of them were flying individually and not formed up as a cohesive attack formation where each can support the other .

The Indian flankers spread out quickly in a circle about 50 km across always keeping the still climbing falcons in bore sight as the pilots scanned the infrared tracking display .There were 28 falcons in various altitude varying from 100 to 2000 meters,most of them with afterburner still on and yet to level out and find final vector to cover the friendly armor.

The four flankers had 32 R-73 B type heat seeking missiles capable of firing in”caged “ mode thru the infrared scanner as soon as the distance close to 40 km approx. Without any radar illumination the falcon commander will get very little if any warning of impending doom .The helmet mounted sights will allow easy off bore sight target acquisition.

-Dragon lead – 2/3/4 –stand by for final attack mode selection
- Dragon lead – 2 copies
-lead 3 online
-lead 4 ok

-Activate data link now –frequency –
-Data link activated – signal good
- We launch archer in salvo in 3 minutes – the whole load in one go –break aout and away –come back to finish the rest with 77s – over


Tejas looked on the distance to target figures quickly change to 38km as he opened the hard plastic cover and armed up all the R-73 in one go ,selected ripple fire and squeezed the fire button just once .

The computer recognized the command and started interacting with other computers in the flight through the high speed data link, between them the high end attack computer divided up the targets in this case 28 ill fated Pakistani falcons and arranged a launch sequence,each aircraft firing off two missiles from two sides of the cock pit in one go ,a 5 second gap and then second salvo

All this took whole of 4.3 seconds

32 R-73 s were launched in a matter of 30 seconds roughly 1.25 per Pakistani f-16s. and the flankers went to afterburner and broke off and out even before the first of the r-73 s slammed into the lead falcon ,without warning blowing it up in an ever widening fire ball .The F-16 s had no tactics to save their hot back side as one after another Russian made worlds most agile heat seeking missiles came in a red and white flash and exploded ,covering the entire sky into a macabre display of death and destruction .As one after another F-16 blew up in air a collective howl went up from the nearby air bases from which the birds have just taken off .

16 falcons were down, no one knowing which flanker pilot had killed how many .Later on the phalcon video tape will be analyzed and all of the pilots will get same number of kills

The 12 remaining falcons quickly formed up and headed straight for the circling flankers

- dragon flight –eagle eye –good work- see 12 falcons heading your way – take them out and then bug out

-Copy that eagle eye –going active

- Dragon flight lead – go active –go active – 12 falcons our way. Lead two are mine

Tejas toggled the weapon selector and the icon of pointed snout R-77 came up on the display window. As he moved the cursor over lead two falcons rushing towards him the SHOOT “prompt came up on the head up display .

Tejas did not hesitate as he toggled off a pair of R-77 each at the lead pair of Pakistani falcons and had the satisfaction of seeing both hit ,one by both the r-77s which ripped it open in midair before turning it into a bright orange fire ball .The falcon wing man was smarter as he quickly broke the radar lock of the first R-77 dived for ground in a cloud of chaff when the second R-77 picked up his cue and dived after him .This time there was no escape .As the missile crossed his windshield the proximity fuse winked and the warhead exploded killing him instantly even before his aircraft hit ground.

Four F-16 still managed to survive this brutal attack but had the good sense not to press on as the four exhausted Indian Su 30 s turned east and to home .

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Chinmayanand » 29 Jun 2009 17:12

Shankar, no hunting for LCAs :(

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby varghese » 01 Jul 2009 20:53

Guys, try reading the two books 'Lashkar' and 'Salim Must Die' by Mukul Deva - in that order - for an incredible dose of military thrills that are second to none - and that includes Alistair McLean, Frederick Forsyth, et al. And he's one of our own and the subject matter is very close to home.
The two books satiated me so much that this is the first time I've logged on to BR in weeks!

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Sandipan » 01 Jul 2009 21:26

R-77 is a BVR missile, why should it be used for close dog fights?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby aditp » 01 Jul 2009 21:48

tejas had taken a passive shot at the F-16, for stealth purposes. Use of R-77s would have required the services of the Bars radar, giving away the ploy to the eff sollah drivers. This way surprise would have been lost and the puke fatalities could actually have been lower. Thus the use of reversed conventional logic.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby rkhanna » 01 Jul 2009 23:25

Guys, try reading the two books 'Lashkar' and 'Salim Must Die' by Mukul Deva - in that order - for an incredible dose of military thrills that are second to none - and that includes Alistair McLean, Frederick Forsyth, et al. And he's one of our own and the subject matter is very close to home.
The two books satiated me so much that this is the first time I've logged on to BR in weeks


Is lashkar the one where an Ultra Secret Indian SF team goes into Pakistan to take out India's "Most Wanted" List. I.e AQ Khan , Dawood , etc. If so that was truely a great read. The story of the two snipers was my most fav. Will try to buy the other one.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby rakall » 02 Jul 2009 11:18

rkhanna wrote:
Guys, try reading the two books 'Lashkar' and 'Salim Must Die' by Mukul Deva - in that order - for an incredible dose of military thrills that are second to none - and that includes Alistair McLean, Frederick Forsyth, et al. And he's one of our own and the subject matter is very close to home.
The two books satiated me so much that this is the first time I've logged on to BR in weeks


Is lashkar the one where an Ultra Secret Indian SF team goes into Pakistan to take out India's "Most Wanted" List. I.e AQ Khan , Dawood , etc. If so that was truely a great read. The story of the two snipers was my most fav. Will try to buy the other one.



I am running to the nearest bookshop !!!

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby sudhan » 02 Jul 2009 12:26

How come the pakis never got to fire any of their AMRAAMs or the 9Xs ??? :?: Even after the first wave of 'archer' hits..

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby varghese » 02 Jul 2009 16:55

rakall wrote:
Quote:
Guys, try reading the two books 'Lashkar' and 'Salim Must Die' by Mukul Deva - in that order - for an incredible dose of military thrills that are second to none - and that includes Alistair McLean, Frederick Forsyth, et al. And he's one of our own and the subject matter is very close to home.
The two books satiated me so much that this is the first time I've logged on to BR in weeks


Is lashkar the one where an Ultra Secret Indian SF team goes into Pakistan to take out India's "Most Wanted" List. I.e AQ Khan , Dawood , etc. If so that was truely a great read. The story of the two snipers was my most fav. Will try to buy the other one.



I am running to the nearest bookshop !!!



For maximum enjoyment just remember to read the two books in sequence as they are part of a planned series of four, each one linked to the previous one. I can't wait for #3 which is due early next year from what I gather.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 02 Jul 2009 18:03

How come the pakis never got to fire any of their AMRAAMs or the 9Xs ??? :?: Even after the first wave of 'archer' hits..


if i tell you that well then i will have to shoot you ---

they did shoot plenty but did not score many hits many reasons

the flankers looped out of sidewinder kill zone even before the first archer hit the lead falcon

the flankers carry an impressive load of ECM/ECCM capability and that includes capabilty to jam all in commimg threats including radar guided missiles

more engine power translates to more jamming power to more jamming range against incoming missiles /radars

The R-77 range is much more than AMRAAM -the aquisition capabilty of amrraam as extreme range is not very good and when effectively jammed even less.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby sudhan » 02 Jul 2009 18:39

Shankar wrote:
How come the pakis never got to fire any of their AMRAAMs or the 9Xs ??? :?: Even after the first wave of 'archer' hits..


if i tell you that well then i will have to shoot you ---

they did shoot plenty but did not score many hits many reasons

the flankers looped out of sidewinder kill zone even before the first archer hit the lead falcon

the flankers carry an impressive load of ECM/ECCM capability and that includes capabilty to jam all in commimg threats including radar guided missiles

more engine power translates to more jamming power to more jamming range against incoming missiles /radars

The R-77 range is much more than AMRAAM -the aquisition capabilty of amrraam as extreme range is not very good and when effectively jammed even less.


Thats more like it :D .. and I am totally wearing a kevlar suit to office from now on.. :mrgreen:

Also, how does the R-73 compare with the Israeli Python 5 .. ? From whats available on the internet, it looks definitely better than the 'archer', at least on paper...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 04 Jul 2009 11:25

the off bore sight launch capability of R-73 (60 degree ) when cued on by helmet mounted sight gives it an edge over Python 5 .It also has longer ballistic range by virtue of its larger motor and many say its seeker gain is better than Python 4 ,not many details of P5 is available.What everyone agrees is so far no heat seeker has more aerodynamic agility than R-73 not even sidewinder 9x though 9X has better target discretionary capability because of its imaging infra seeker cooled liquid argon giving it better acquisition range

but no one fires heat seeker BVR mode even if it is technically possible -and when you see your enemy and fire an archer he is dead for sure and may be if you fire a python 5 too - it is pilot skill that will make the difference between life and death . R-73 can launch on "caged "mode not sure if python 5 can also be launched like that but think it can.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 04 Jul 2009 15:41

The missiles AIM 9X and Python 4 were in fact developed to compete with outstanding agility and performance of R-73 .In field of heat seekers it is in the lead even today .Some say AIM 9X is nothing but rip off of R-73 .The current upgraded version of R-73 has a very selective seeker head capable of differentiating advanced flares and lock on to target aircraft .Israelis first were shocked with archers effectiveness that lead to development of python 4 and now 5 .

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 04 Jul 2009 15:46

The R-73 was developed to replace the earlier R-60 (AA-8 'Aphid')
Molniya R-60



The R-73 is an infrared-guided (heat-seeking) missile with a sensitive, cryogenic cooled seeker with a substantial "off-boresight" capability: the seeker can "see" targets up to 60° off the missile's centerline. It can be targeted by a helmet-mounted sight (HMS) allowing pilots to designate targets by looking at them. Minimum engagement range is about 300 meters, with maximum aerodynamic range of nearly 30 km (18.75 mi) at altitude.

The R-73 is a highly maneuverable missile that in most respects is believed to be superior to the United States AIM-9M Sidewinder
AIM-9 Sidewinder

The AIM-9 Sidewinder is a Infrared homing, short-range, air-to-air missile carried by fighter aircraft and recently, certain Attack helicopter. It is named after the Crotalus cerastes, which detects its prey via body heat and also because of the peculiar snake-like path of flight the early versions had when launched....
. Mock dogfights indicated that the high degree of "off-boresight" capability of the R-73 would make a significant difference in combat. The missile also has a mechanically simple but effective system for thrust-vectoring. Altogether this prompted the development of Sidewinder and other SRM successors like AIM-132 ASRAAM
AIM-132 ASRAAM


The AIM-132 Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile is a United Kingdom infrared homing air-to-air missile. It is currently in service in the Royal Air Force and Royal Australian Air Force, replacing the AIM-9 Sidewinder in those services....
, IRIS-T
IRIS-T

IRIS-T is a Germany-led program to develop a short-range air-to-air missile to replace the AIM-9 Sidewinder. Any aircraft capable of carrying and firing Sidewinder is capable of launching IRIS-T....
, MICA IR, Python IV and the latest Sidewinder variant, AIM-9X, that entered squadron service in 2003.

From 1994 the R-73 has been upgraded in production to R-73M standard, which entered CIS
Commonwealth of Independent States

The Commonwealth of Independent States is a regional organization whose participating countries are former Soviet Republics.The CIS is comparable to a confederation similar to the original European Community....
service in 1997. The R-73M has greater range and a wider seeker angle (to 60° off-boresight), as well as improved IRCCM (InfraRed Counter-Counter Measures).

An improved version of the R-73M, the R-74M features fully digital and re-programmable systems, and is intended for use on the MiG-35 or MiG-29K/M/M2 Fulcrum and Su-27SM, Su-30MK and Su-35BM Super Flankers.

The weapon is used by the MiG-29, Su-27, Su-34 and Su-35, and can be carried by newer versions of the MiG-21, MiG-23, Sukhoi Su-24
Sukhoi Su-24

The Sukhoi Su-24 was the Soviet Union's most advanced all-weather Air interdiction and attack aircraft in the 1970s and 1980s. The two-seat, twin-engined aircraft carried the USSR's first integrated digital nav/attack system....
, and Su-25 aircraft. India is looking to use the missile on their HAL Tejas
HAL Tejas

The HAL Tejas is a lightweight multirole jet fighter developed by India. It is a tailless, compound delta wing design powered by a single engine....
. It can also be carried by Russian attack helicopters, including the Mil Mi-24
Mil Mi-24

The Mil Mi-24 is a large helicopter gunship and low-capacity troop transport produced by Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant and operated from 1972 by the Soviet Air Forces, its successors, and over thirty other nations....
, Mil Mi-28
Mil Mi-28

The Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant Mi-28 is a Russian all-weather day-night military tandem two-seat anti-armour attack helicopter. It is a dedicated attack helicopter with no intended secondary transport capability, better optimized than the Mil Mi-24 for the anti-tank role....
, and Kamov Ka-50
Kamov Ka-50

The Kamov Ka-50 Black Shark is a single-seat Russian attack helicopter with the distinctive Coaxial rotors system of the Kamov design bureau....
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 04 Jul 2009 15:53

and more about my favorite air to air missile

he R-73/AA-11 design features a canard aerodynamic configuration: control surfaces are positioned ahead of the wing at a distance from the centre of mass. The airframe consists of modular compartments accommodating the homing head, aerodynamic control surface drive system, autopilot, proximity fuse (radio or laser), warhead, engine, gas-dynamic control system and aileron drive system. The lifting surfaces have a small aspect ratio. Strakes are mounted ahead of the aerodynamic control surfaces.

The combined aero-gas-dynamic control gives the R-73 highly manoeuvrable flight characteristics. During flight, yaw and pitch are controlled by four aerodynamic control surfaces connected in pairs and by just as many gas-dynamic spoilers (fins) installed at the nozzle end of the engine. Control with engine not operating is provided by aerodynamic control surfaces. Roll stabilization of the missile is maintained with the help of four mechanically interconnected ailerons mounted on the wings. Drives of all missile controls are gas, powered from a solid-propellant gas generator.

The R-73 employs an "agile" gimballed seeker, believed to use a multiple detector cross array, capable of tracking targets at very large off boresight angles reported to be around 60 degrees, at high angular tracking rates. This enables the R-73 to be locked on to targets in an engagement geometry where an older missile cannot see the opponent. It also means that once the missile is fired, it can maintain its seeker locked on to its target despite violent manoeuvring which would force the target out of the seeker's field of view (FOV) with any older missile.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek.sharma » 05 Jul 2009 18:08

Day 8, Attack on Jaiselmer sector by XXXI corp continues

0135 HRS, Approximately 1 KM West of Village of Bhuttelwala

Captain Qureshi was roaring to go and as soon the orders came from Colonel Gurez, he ordered his team, Jack 1, consisting of 35 T-80’s to get out of hiding. Captain Bartullah was commanding rest of the 35 T-80’s under name Jack 2, he was to wait for another 5 minutes so that Captain Qureshi can get some of the T-90’s to give their positions. Similarly King 1 and King 2 consisting of 25 APC’s each were to cover the left and right flank of the Jack 1 and 2. King 1 and King 2 were to move out along with Captain Qureshi and provide covering fire for Jack 1.

The battle for Indian defense lines at Bhuttwala has begun.

Captain Qureshi was feeling murderous today, he had waited a long time for this moment. He got on his radio, “Guys, this is do or die! We gotta get these kafirs out, so this is the plan. Units 1 will fire at coordinates XYZ, Unit 2 will fire at 2 meters left of XYZ and so on. Once T-90’s start getting hit, they will have to come out. Then you will be free to fire as you see fit. Once the battle begins, Jack 2 will join in. Good luck and happy hunting. Go get them.”

Just as soon as he finished, 33 of the T-80’s engines roared like a wounded lion and came out other of their hiding spots and started firing at the pre-arranged coordinates.

The view was magnificent, which would surely have met the approval of Lt. Khan sitting in his T-90. Lt. Khan sitting in his T-90 was thinking of the same thing, but the orders have not come yet to fire.


0137 HRS, 2 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines

South corner of the canal was taking a heavy beating. All the hard work and labour that went into putting the canal in the desert was being pulverized with deadly explosions. Big chunks of the cement and steel were flying at supersonic speeds. Three T-90 and 1 BMP has been lost in last two minutes. Brigadier Sher Singh couldn’t take it any more and then he barked on his radio, “Foxtrot 1 to artillery attachments of 11th and 12th. Thanks for your help. Jaguar 1 requesting you to cease fire at Bhuttelwala. Time for us to clean our guns! T-80’s are out, time to get in tandoori mode”

General Parakram immediately replied, “Understood Foxtrot 1. Now it’s your call. I have just heard from forward spotters that some paki APC’s are taking an extended arc towards your position we will take care of them for another five minutes and then cease-fire. Be careful and good luck.”

This was Brigadier Sher Singh’s cue. He took a deep breath and said on his radio “All even numbered units from 30 to 90, you are free to move and fire, but only if you are certain of the kill. All other units to hold fire.”

Lucky for Lt. Khan he was number 30. He had been looking in his scope to find what he can hit. Nothing was visible due to dust and smoke in the air, but thanks to infrared vision and hot guns of the paki T-80 he can see his targets comfortably. Just as Lt’ Khan was looking at his scope with his sabout round ready in the breach, so was every other tank commander from the Indian side.

Lt. Khan took control of the main gun and swung it in direction of enemy tank.
Lt. Khan, "Gunner tank!"
Gunner, "Identified"
Lt. Khan -" Fire Fire Sabot!"
The gunner immediately lased the target with laser and ballistic computer calculated the required elevation and lead. In a second TIS (Thermal Imaging sight) displayed a range and fire sign. The Gunner pressed the fire button and said "On the way".

Needless to say, just around that moment in time 30 sabot rounds left the Indian t-90’s, and started racing towards paki t-80’s. Captain Qureshi saw the flashes of the gun and immediately ordered the driver to execute a 90-degree turn.

But some other younger t-80 commanders were either too happy giving the firing command, that they didn’t see the coming fire or they were looking at wrong direction at a wrong time. Average distance between Indian and Paki tanks was about 1.5 KM, which did not give a whole lot of time to react.

Almost simultaneous explosions hit the paki t-80’s. Out of 33 in open, 23 had their main turret blown clean out of the main body and the whole crew decapitated, but they were still moving like headless chickens. 6 rounds hit the spot near driver’s viewpoint and whole crew was decapitated. 4 escaped because of the experience of their commanders and captain Qureshi was one of them.

Captain Bartullah didn’t loose a moment and he ordered all his units to open fire. Colonel Gurez expected losses but this was more then he expected, but still he ordered all APCs and all of the infantry elements carrying anti tank weapons to open fire on the confirmed coordinates of the Indian tanks.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby aditp » 09 Jul 2009 20:59

Shankarosky, Ahujaji, Where art thou ?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby k prasad » 10 Jul 2009 01:24

aditp wrote:Shankarosky, Ahujaji, Where art thou ?


They are incognito in Pakistan, searching for material for the next set of scenarios...

Shankarosky is working as Chief Petty Cook aboard PNS Ghori submarine.

Ahujaji is working with Col. Karim Ismail Khan of the SSG based out of Skardu and is working on their next plan of infiltration... this time, via gujjuland.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Yogesh » 11 Jul 2009 17:36

k prasad wrote:
Shankarosky is working as Chief Petty Cook aboard PNS Ghori submarine.

Ahujaji is working with Col. Karim Ismail Khan of the SSG based out of Skardu and is working on their next plan of infiltration... this time, via gujjuland.


Nice shot prasad saar 8)

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby tripathi » 12 Jul 2009 19:38

Did anyone consider the scenario when china attacks india along with its other proxies ie pakistan,srilanka, bangladesh, nepal and burma simultaneously attacking india too from all the directions.I think thats what the string of pearls is all about.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek.sharma » 12 Jul 2009 21:25

0139 HRS, 1.5 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines

Rest of the Paki tank’s emerged out of their sand dunes and all the APC’s started to close their arc towards the half a KM worth of canal where the enemy fire was coming from. By this time Lt. Khan was ready for another round of fire, he aimed his gun at the next t-80 and gave the order to fire. The t-80 was moving in a zig zag way, the shell exploded 2 meters left of its position, but it wasn’t their day today. Another round fired by Indian t-90 got this tank. Lt. Khan knew his tank has been spotted so he ordered the drive to get of the rathole and get in open. The mighty t-90 roared and backed up. Just at that moment a shell landed where the t-90 was sitting a moment ago and rocked the tank. Lt. Khan ordered again, “Driver, move back towards left and then turn 45 degree towards right. Keep zig zagging”

0140 HRS, Approximately 2 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala.

It was becoming free for all as all elements of Paki forces near the canal started to concentrate fire on the known positions of Indian t-90’s. By this time 10 more t-90’s had been lost. That left 32 tanks that fired originally, other 40 were sitting in ratholes along with 47 BMPs.

Pakistani elements ware concentrating their fire on the t-90’s in the open and these t-90’s needed help if they were to survive next five minutes. Brigadier Sher Singh looked at the incoming birds eye view from the UAV, with all the Paki elements involved in attacking the canal at bhuttewala there was no threat of them outflanking his position so he made a quick decision.

He got on the radio and said, “All units you are free to fire. In 2 minutes units 1 to 10 from 340 Mechanized will disengage and try to outflank from right. Similarly unit 80 to 90 from 340 Mechanized will disengage and try to outflank from left. Units 1 to 10 and 80 to 90, save you anti tank ammunation, you will need them later.”

Now with most of his units committed Brigadier Sher Singh had 14 t-90’s and 14 BMP’s left in reserve.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Sudhanshu » 15 Jul 2009 08:30

Amazingly detailed Documentary on Mumbai attack

http://vimeo.com/5409826

PS: Didn't know where else to post

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Ajit.C » 19 Jul 2009 13:02

Awaiting the next posts eagerly.
War with China seems to have frozen midway for a very longtime.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby jamwal » 19 Jul 2009 14:48

Read Lashkar by Mukul Deva in one sitting only :mrgreen:
A very good book. Now am searching for Salim Must Die. It shouldn't be too hard to find in Dilli . Varghese ji, Thanks for recommending.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vivek.sharma » 19 Jul 2009 19:05

Day 8, Attack on Jaiselmer sector by XXXI corp continues

0140 HRS, Village of Kishangarh.

Everybody could hear the explosions and see fire at the horizon and knew Indian defense lines at Bhuttewala were under ferocious attack. Brigadier Parijaat commanding the 11th infantry was getting apprehensive, had Paki’s forgotten about Kishangarh? Should he send in some reinforcements? Forward spotters have confirmed that Paki units have crossed the border two hours ago? What are they doing? are they trying to outflank them somehow by fooling UAV’s and forward spotters.

He was in lost his thoughts when he heard the sonic boom, his trained eye turned towards the sound and then all of sudden whole earth shook, but before he could dive for safety the explosion threw him backwards on the ground. He got up a moment later, still recovering from the shockwave. The shell had landed barely 20 meters from where he was standing. Brigadier Parijaat was still dazed, it was like whole world around him was moving so slowly, he couldn’t hear anything. He tried to shout an order but words were stuck in his throat.

Apparently paki units have spend last two hours confirming the position of Indian units and have a pretty good idea of placements.

Indian battalions had taken up positions on all the high points and they were taking the full advantage of that. 5 battalions (approximately 900 soldiers each) of 11th infantry immediately sprung in action as they started to fire on 60 T-80’s and 60 APC’s (of 25th Mechanized commanded by Colonel Raza.) with anti tank rounds, RPG’s and portable nag missiles.

Lt. Kumar’s unit was nearest to the Pakistani armor and just as his unit fired on the leading armor elements two shells landed within meter of his unit’s position. Before he could say anything, he was showered with sand and blood. Kumar felt as if an invisible hand had slapped him hard in the stomach. He called out names of his JCO’s but no reply came through. Even though he was dazed from the shock ware, he crawled to what he could figure out was one of his comrades. Just as he nudged on the leg, the leg moved freely with no body attached to it. Kumar was aghast with horror!

He did not need any conformation, he somehow plucked his short wave radio and blurted out, “This is Romeo 9340, my unit is gone. It looks they have a pretty good idea of where we are. They are using our flashes to guide their shells. Advise caution. Romeo 9340 out.” Before any confirmation could come on the radio, Kumar felt a quite darkness approaching him from all the sides. Somehow he felt safe and closed his eyes to the view of Indian sky and heavens looking down at him.

0143 HRS, 2 KMS southwest of Village of Kishangarh.

Brigadier Parijaat’s was not apprehensive anymore, but he was worried now. Radio dispatches coming in from forward units have been bad. Some have been completely wiped out and some have suffered massive casualties within last two minutes. “The shock and awe by Paki units have certainly succeeded in this case. We need to stop this massacre.” He thought.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby VikB » 20 Jul 2009 11:33

jamwal wrote:Read Lashkar by Mukul Deva in one sitting only :mrgreen:
A very good book. Now am searching for Salim Must Die. It shouldn't be too hard to find in Dilli . Varghese ji, Thanks for recommending.


I could not find these two books at Oxford or Crossword.

Link for online purchase
http://www.flipkart.com/lashkar-mukul-d ... yv23fm37lb

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby gauravjkale » 20 Jul 2009 12:33

Oxford, Mumbai Shop has it, bought both of them last week only.

Finished Lashkar, Too Good

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby chandrabhan » 20 Jul 2009 14:03

jamwal wrote:Read Lashkar by Mukul Deva in one sitting only :mrgreen:
A very good book. Now am searching for Salim Must Die. It shouldn't be too hard to find in Dilli . Varghese ji, Thanks for recommending.


I read it too. Liked it, let me know your add at t i w a r i d a w t c h a n d r a b h a n at gmail d a w t com. will send it.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby pankaj » 20 Jul 2009 17:19

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