Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 14 Sep 2009 19:51

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... f=3&t=5192 (thank me for giving this link)

Somebody please lock this thread.

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 20 Sep 2009 01:12

Its been a long time since the last posts. Please can we have some.

JimmyJ · Post by **JimmyJ** » 20 Sep 2009 18:02

I think the fizzle dud has taken the sizzle out and that India has declared peace with Pakistan and China. It also signed a peace treaty with Bangladesh so as to use their strength to protect India from China and Pakistan

vipins · Post by **vipins** » 20 Sep 2009 18:08

Looks like enemy has tracked shankarda & stopped his plans of bombing them to stone age...
and so he is now unable to post on BRF ...

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 24 Sep 2009 12:51

DELTA ONE FLIGHT -1XIL 76 -IAF STATION NAGPUR

Wing commander Vina strapped herself in for the experimental flight no 31 .Today she was carrying 4 x1000 kg laser guided bombs on external pylons fitted to the wings and internally there were a pair of 6000 kg Indian daisy cutter type dumb bombs for weapons trial at Pokhran range .Unknown to world except the Russian designers ,IL-76 can and is designed to carry heavy bombs in a contingency .Today Vina intended to find that out on behalf of Indian air force .

The aircraft she would be flying have been highly modified under Russian consultation incorporating automated chaff and flare dispensers ,tail ounted radar warning receivers ,radar controlled tail mounted twin Gsh 30 6 guns ,laser designator just under the nose radome , heavy duty rails for para ejecting the heavy 6000 kg bombs ,satellite communication facility and a pilot toilet just in case the facility is required over long over the water flight .

Indian air force always felt the need for a heavy bomber .While navy managed to acquire a squadron of Tu 22 m3 backfires as a part of Goroshkov carrier package deal ,air force had to manage on its own .So they did the next best thing ,by modifying some of their IL-76 to bombers and ordering some more to make up the deficit

At the moment Nagpur housed 12 of these modified bombers .Designed to carry both nuclear and conventional payload, it was essentially meant for heavy air support in the Indian ocean region

-tower – delta – one –ready to start motor
- delta one –tower – cleared to start motor – no taxi –we have a number on civilian flights on final approach
- copy that tower- starting motor – brake stays on till you say so- delta one

Vina leaned forward and closed the series of old fashioned circuit breakers powering up the engine ignition circuits and hydraulic power unit ,shutting off the auxilarly power unit at the same time . The port and star board navigation lights came on .She set the flaps at 10 degree and adjusted the max power limiter at 104 % since the outside air temperature was close to 43 deg C and she knew she would need all the power she can get for this take off .Aborting a take off with close to 16000 kg of high explosive was not an option today .

- Nagpur -9w 311 from Mumbai –request full stop landing
- 9W 311 – cleared to land on runway 21 left –over
- Cleared to land –runway 21 left – 9W 311
- Nagpur – AI -406 from Delhi -20 km out – request transition to Delta air space
- AI 406 –cleared into delta air space –reduce altitude to 5000 ft –chance heading to 210 – you are number two in landing
- 9W 316 – clear runway when able –contact ground for taxi instructions to gate
- Delta one –tower cleared to start motor –taxi to main runway 27 right –await take off clearance

Vina tightened up her 5 point harness as she toed off the parking brake ,signaled her first officer about her intent and gently pushed the four engine collective to 30% power ,the almost 200 ton aircraft dipped the nose and started inching forward ,power back to 20% as she picked up speed to 10 km/hour ,power back to 15% as the speed stabilized at 20 km/hr .

Vina saw the air india A-320 make a smooth touch down with just a bit of over correction at the last moment and guessed the pilot must be a green horn first time trying out his hand in landing a heavy jet .

- delta one –tower –cleared for immediate take – fly runway heading – climb to 2000 meters –you are cleared into restricted airspace delta zulu – over
- tower –delta one- rolling now – understand cleared for restricted air space delta zulu

Vina checked the instruments –flaps at 10 degree –hydraulics pressure green at 210 bar-radar on stand by –weapon arming all in green – APU off – parking brake light off – clam shell door closed –it was time to go thought she as in one smooth motion she almost stood on the main wheel brake and advanced the collective all the way forward to the stops . The smooth whine of the four engines changed tone into a throaty growl and the nose dipped ,vina scanned the runway one last time before releasing the wheel brake and the candid moved forward accelerating effortlessly down the 10000 ft run way –indiacated air speed 60-70-90-130- 180 km/hr – V1 called the first officer –the controls came alive – air speed 210 -20 225 -230 –V2 intoned first officer and Vina pulled back on the stick gently but firmly and the IL 76 nose lifted of the tarmac and then all of her heavy body was in air clawing for a maximum rate climb- air speed 290 – altitude 70 meters –vina slapped up the main and nose landing gear –all three in green – air speed 330 km/hr – altitude 500 meters – vina leveled out marginally – climb rate 300 meters/minute - a hard jolt as she passed through a moderate clear air turbulanec zone – air speed 450 km/hr -1000 meters altitude – flaps retract to 5 degree -0 degree –air speed 480 km/hr – climb rate steady .

Down below the city of Nagpur passed by and soon she was out of commercial air corridor banking into restricted air space and it was time to establish contact with the Phalcon on duty

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 24 Sep 2009 13:32

DELTA ONE FLIGHT -1XIL 76 -IAF STATION –APPROACHING POKHRAN WEAPON TESTING RANGE

Wing commander Vina scowled at the thick cloud cover over the designated weapon release zone –a rare occurrence at this time of the year and meant she will have to release the heavy prototype bombs without visual sighting and on cue from computerized bomb aiming sights imported from Russia (taken off Tu-160 inventory) and now integrated to newly installed synthetic aperture radar .
So far the reliable IL 76 has performed well – maintain course and speed on auto pilot perfectly and the weather made sure the bomb release will also have do be done by on board computer without a visual sighting of the target ( an old building with radar reflector and a mass of old T-55 s long condemned ).The seismic reading post explosion will be also taken to confirm the true yield of Indian daisy cutter .
- Black hole –delta one approaching weapon release point –confirm clear –over
- Delta one –black hole one – you are to high –reduce altitude to 5000 meters –make heading 285 – reduce speed to 600 kmph –over
- Roger that black hole – delta one

The general configuration of the Il-76 was so much along the lines of the earlier US Lockheed C-141 Star lifter military transport that it is hard to believe Ilyushin engineers didn't find the C-141 an interesting source of ideas. Like the Starlifter, the Il-76T featured a high-mounted swept wing with anhedral droop and four turbojets on underwing pylons, plus a high swept tee tail. The main landing gear was stowed in large fairings alongside the fuselage to ensure that the cargo bay remained unobstructed. Cargo was loaded through a rear ramp, with a upward-folding rear door and outward-folding clamshell doors, all of which were hydraulically actuated.
However, the Il-76T was clearly not a copy of the C-141. Anybody who built a four-jet high-speed cargo lifter was likely to come up with a configuration along such lines, and the resemblance between the two aircraft was no greater that, say, between the Messerschmitt Bf-109 and the P-51 Mustang. The two cargo lifters were easily distinguished by anyone who could tell one type of aircraft from another, and the Il-76T had distinctly Soviet features. It was fitted with glazing under the nose for use by a navigator, handy for getting map references and for observing parachute cargo drops. The wing featured high-lift devices to provide short takeoff capability. The landing gear was clearly designed for rough-field operation, with the nose gear featuring four wheels in a line-across arrangement, and each main gear assembly featuring two rows of four wheels. The end result of the whole was larger and heavier than the C-141, slightly inferior in payload and range but much superior in rough-field capability.
The wing was fitted with wide-span two-section triple slotted trailing-edge flaps, as well as full-span leading-edge flaps, which were "knocked out" to clear the engine pylons. There was an aileron on each wingtip and eight spoilers on each wing: four spoilers outboard to provide roll control and "lift dumping" on landing, plus four inboard to provide lift dumping. The tail control surfaces were conventional, including rudder and elevators. Leading edge flight surfaces were de-iced by engine bleed air.
The Il-76T was powered by Soloviev D-30KP turbofans providing a maximum thrust of 117.7 kN (12,000 kgp / 26,455 lbf) and fitted with bucket-type thrust reversers; normally only the thrust reversers on the outboard engines were used. The undercarriage also featured hydraulic antilock brakes to reduce landing roll. The nose gear retracted forward and the main gear retracted into the fuselage sponsons, the gear assemblies pivoting 90 degrees so that the axles were parallel to the fuselage, tucked in "sideways" so to speak. The main gear doors were closed after extending the landing gear to prevent them from being filled with mud or slop in operations off of rough airfields. The tire pressure could be adjusted in flight from 2.5 to 5 atmospheres to deal with different types of airfields. There was a turbine auxiliary power unit (APU) in the left landing gear sponson for engine starting and ground power, with an intake door that was closed in flight to keep the APU from windmilling.
The cargo hold had a volume of 321 cubic meters (420 cubic yards). It was fully pressurized and had a titanium floor, with a fold-down roller conveyor system and cargo tie-downs in recesses along the edges. There were four cargo hoists in the roof of the hold to help haul cargoes on board, with the hoists extendable out the rear to allow cargoes to be secured and then hauled in. The tail ramp could be used as lift as well; there was a hydraulically-operated "leg" on the belly of the aircraft forward of the cargo ramp to prevent the aircraft from tipping backwards when the ramp left the ground.

Vina scowled once again –she did not like being told what to do with her bird but then in Indian air force even if you are the best aviator in the world –ground instructions are sacrosanct
As she pulled back on the collective the four D-30KP turbo fans audibly quieted down and the on board computer pushed the nose up by a few degree as the speed dropped slowly to 600 –Vina leaned forward and dialed in the new altitude and the on board computer again adjusted the nose angle and deployed the air brakes for a few seconds, finally Vina dialed in the new course and the wings immediately tipped over by 5 degree making the heavy bomb laden aircraft come to new course .
- Delta one – Black hole – you are in right track and your speed is good –maintain speed and heading –weapon release in 10 seconds – 9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2 1 – release
The rear clam shell doors were already open and first of the heavy par retarded bombs sailed away as the load master released the holding choke and ten seconds later the second bomb went.

The sailed down slowly as the parachutes opened and the bombs started swinging in heavy cross wind ,100 meters over ground the radio altimeter on board triggered a small pyro charge cutting off the parachutes and the bombs fell fast ,nose down ,penetrated 6 meters into ground and then exploded in a horrifying blinding flash turning already bright dessert day even brighter , and the earth shook for full 3 seconds as it absorbed the impact of propane –oxygen –TNT mixture .a giant fire ball formed after 7 seconds rising in thick black mushroom cloud and the shock wave destroyed everything in its path for a radius 0f 476 meters corresponding to 8300 tons of TNT .The seismic data would later confirm it to be 8.36 kilo tons – the largest modified fuel air explosive bomb ever made outside soviet union .

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 24 Sep 2009 16:02

Nice...

We have the FOAB's cousin... Watch out Bakistanis...

abhi.enggr · Post by **abhi.enggr** » 26 Sep 2009 13:06

hi vivek bhai and friends
iam a very late starter on this thread.......
when will be the next dose coming ..........
and anyone can please mail me his entire scenario on abhi.enggr@gmail.com
or please give me a link where i can download it.........

and iam waiting for your next post...........

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 26 Sep 2009 14:17

abhi.enggr wrote:hi vivek bhai and friends
iam a very late starter on this thread.......
when will be the next dose coming ..........
and anyone can please mail me his entire scenario on abhi.enggr@gmail.com
or please give me a link where i can download it.........

and iam waiting for your next post...........

Hi abhi.. I have a some of the earliest posts of both vivek ahuja and shankar sir in a .doc file... just so that i can read the whole story without any interruption... if its ok with shankar sir and ahuja sir, i can mail it to you...
What say you, Ahuja and shankar sir???

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 26 Sep 2009 15:32

AIR TRAFIC CONTROL TOWER -MALE INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT –MALDIVES –INDIAN OCEAN

Major General C RAY, finished his third cup of coffee with extra sugar and extra cream .Like a typical fauji he believed in high energy drinks both alcoholic and non alcoholic types .After having served in both the high altitude battle fields of Kari and Siachen –He knew only too well the meaning of life and quick death. So he never did any thing in half measure.

He was actually quite surprised at the importance his request for defensive systems have received in Delhi. Within 3 weeks the re enforcements along with most of the weapon systems requested for have started arriving and today will be the last of the consignments coming in a flight of 3 il-76 s direct from Delhi

The first runway built on Hulhulé Island was made of slotted steel sheets. This runway was built on a strip of cleared ground in the middle of a small island called Hulhulé, which was an inhabited island then and was opened on 19th October 1960. The dimension of this runway was 75 x 3000 feet. The first aircraft, which landed on this runway, was a Royal New Zealand Air Force Transport plane on 19th of October 1960 at 13:55hrs. The first Air Ceylon flight landed on this runway was at 15:50hrs on 10th April 1962. The registration number of the Air Ceylon flight is 4R-ACJ. The first aircraft owned by the Maldives landed on the runway of the Hulhulé Airport on 9th October 1974

In May 1964 the people of Mále mobilized to construct a new asphalt runway. The work was carried out in a competitive atmosphere with the competition between the four districts of Mále.
]The announcement of the replacement of the slotted steel sheet runway by an asphalt runway was issued by Vuzaarathul Dhaakhiliyya (Ministry of Home Affairs).
On the first day itself 108 volunteers were enlisted for the project and 1563.08 Maldivian Rufiya were donated. The government received whole hearted support from the Maldivian people – both financially and material wise. Removal of the slotted steel sheets, which the British had laid out as a runway, was started at 6.00am of the first day of May 1964.

The work was carried out in a competitive atmosphere between the four districts of Malé. The 1st square was dug out by Henveiru district in 26 minutes. They won the winning prize of 1000/- Rufiya awarded by the government.
The asphalt runway constructed by the hard work of Maldivians was opened on 12th April 1966 at 16:00hrs by the former Prime Minister His Excellency Mr. Ibrahim Nasir.

- Male tower – air force flight mule night – on final approach – request permission for full stop landing
- - Mule night flight – Male tower –fly straight in - maintain vertical separation of 1000 ft at all times – secondary surveillance radar not operational at this time –over
- Message understood – Male tower –Mule Night one entering class D air space
One by one the three giant transporters landed on the modern concrete runway almost floating on top of the ocean . As they turned off the main rinway and headed for the cargo complex ,Ray thanked the Male air traffic controllers and along with his personal bodyguard ,a burly sikh jumped into his Gypsy and rushed along the taxi way to the newly arrived aircrafts . They were carrying the vital last minute additional consignment of Akash surface to air missile launchers and the command van along with crates of Igla shoulder fired anti aircraft missile

Unknown to any -this last vital consignment of anti air defensive hardware will play a most critical and vital role in the coming conflict -buying for the island nation few days of precious time

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 27 Sep 2009 12:14

PLAN HEADQUARTERS –BEIJING –PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA

Admiral Li shao Chi knew the Pakistani plan to take on Maldives more particularly Male will need much more than political support in UN and outside .While the ground troops about to embark from Karachi will be all Pakistani –they will need some level of air support during the landing phase and as they spread out amongst the island chain to take quick control before Indians could react.

Malé (Dhivehi: މާލެ), (pronounced: /məːle/) population 103,693 (2006), is the capital and largest city (in terms of population) in the Republic of Maldives. It is located at the southern edge of North Male' Atoll (Kaafu Atoll). It is also one of the Administrative divisions of the Maldives. Traditionally it was the King's Island, from where the ancient Maldive Royal dynasties ruled and where the palace was located. The city was also called Mahal. Formerly it was a walled city surrounded by fortifications and gates (doroshi). The Royal Palace (Gan'duvaru) was destroyed along with the picturesque forts (kotte) and bastions (buruzu) when the city was re modeled under President Ibrahim Nasir's rule after the abolition of the monarchy. In recent years, the island has been considerably expanded through land filling operations. Although Malé is geographically located in Male, Kaafu Atoll, administratively it is not considered part of it. The central part of the city is formed by Malé Island. Three more islands are part of the city. A commercial harbour is located on Malé Island. It is the heart of all commercial activities in the country. Many government buildings and agencies are located on the waterfront. Malé International Airport is on adjacent Hulhule Island which includes a seaplane base for internal transportation. Several land reclamation projects have expanded the harbour.The Islamic Centre, housing the main mosque Masjid-al-Sultan Mohammed Thakurufaanu-al-A'z'am of Malé

The central island is heavily urbanized, with the built-up area taking up essentially its entire landmass. Slightly less than one third of the nation's population lives in the capital city. Many, if not most, Maldivians and foreign workers in Maldives find themselves in occasional short term residence on the island since it is the only entry point to the nation and the centre of all administration and bureaucracy. he city is divided into six divisions, four of which are on Malé Island: Henveiru, Galolhu, Maafannu and Macchangolhi. The nearby island of Vilingili, formerly a tourist resort and prior to that a prison, is the fifth division (Vilimalé). The sixth division is Hulhumalé, an artificial island settled since 2004. In addition, the airport Island Hulhule is part of the city. There are plans for che Island of Malé is worldwide the second most densely populated island, after Ap Lei Chau of Hong Kong.

Since there is no surrounding countryside, all infrastructures has to be located in the city itself. Water is provided from desalinated ground water; the water works pumps brackish water from 50-60m deep wells in the city and desalinates that using reverse osmosis.[2] Electric power is generated in the city using diesel generators.[3] Sewage is pumped unprocessed into the sea.[4] Solid waste is transported to nearby islands, where it is used to fill in lagoons. The airport was built in this way, and currently the Thilafushi lagoon is being filled in.
Admiral Li shao Chi –closed the intelligence brief with an attack plan taking shape in his strategic mind comprising of a step wise take over of the following targets by Pakistani ground forces with adequate support from PLA air and naval units .

0000 hrs –Landing
0200 hrs – take over of international airport
0300 hrs – surropund and lay siege to Indian army garrison ,embassy
0400 hrs – take over of presidential palace
0500 hrs take over of TV station
0600 hrs – new government takes office
-7000 hrs – new government asks politely Indian armed forces to leave the island withing 48 hours
0900 hrs –PLAN and PLAAF units move in after receiving “official invitation
0100 hrs – Pakistani forces take over desalination plant and water supply – establishing full control –set up road blocks
PRC recognizes new government along with Pakistan and North korea

abhi.enggr · Post by **abhi.enggr** » 29 Sep 2009 15:53

Bala Vignesh wrote:
abhi.enggr wrote:hi vivek bhai and friends
iam a very late starter on this thread.......
when will be the next dose coming ..........
and anyone can please mail me his entire scenario on abhi.enggr@gmail.com
or please give me a link where i can download it.........

and iam waiting for your next post...........
Hi abhi.. I have a some of the earliest posts of both vivek ahuja and shankar sir in a .doc file... just so that i can read the whole story without any interruption... if its ok with shankar sir and ahuja sir, i can mail it to you...
What say you, Ahuja and shankar sir???

hi i urge you to mail it to me on abhi.enggr@gmail.com
please it will be a favour.
i don't think it will be a problem with vivek ji or shekhar ji.......

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 02 Oct 2009 12:17

Can we have update on the scenarios.

1.Chini army in north and north east.
2.Paki army in West
3. Chini-Paki army in maldives.

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 02 Oct 2009 12:59

Maldives can be extinct in a flash if it tries to help Paki-China in event of Indo-China conflict. Hence, I dont believe they will allow any substantial Chinese-Paki or even Indian bases in region. They play games with all three nations to extract maximum money and help same as mauritius or other strategically place island nations do. So I would only think about attack from North West and West. I would go for breaking the chinese formation because an important observation about chinese is true: single chinese is dragon, while a group of chinese is like pack of cards. IA needs a strategy to break chinese formation.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 02 Oct 2009 15:49

INS VIKRAMADITYA –PORT BLAIR NAVAL BASE

Rear Admiral Rao looked up at the newest acquisition of Indian navy .The 45000 ton state of the art rebuilt carrier now ready to go into first operational patrol in the Indian ocean . The flight deck was empty for the time being ,her air complement will join once she is in the open ocean and now getting checked up one last time as IAF station car nicobar about 40 minutes normal flying time . During this operational deployment she will carry the full complement of 28 mig 29k s and 6 Ka 31 s and her task will be to enforce a blockade on any region of the ocean if so ordered .Except US navy no other navy in the region has the capability to challenge her in the high seas even the much vaunted PLAN . Berthed not far from the carrier were her escorts two Delhi class and one Kolkata class destroyers along with a pair of shivalik class frigates .Undersea protection will be provided by the newly acquired Akula 2 along with a pair of Kilos . The newly commissioned Arihant will be in the region but at a distance so that in an emergency mutual support can be extended

After China's attack in October-November 1962, the responsibility for the seaward defense of the Andaman and Nicobar Islands was assigned to the Navy. The first Resident Naval Officer arrived Port Blair in November 1962. In mid 1963, the first Naval Garrison of five officers and one hundred and fifty six sailors arrived in Port Blair. Until the Navy's Seaward Defense Boats arrived, sea patrols and inter-island transportation were supported by craft of the Central Board of Revenue. Soon, the need was felt for a maintenance and repair facility to sustain these small craft which were operating so far away from the nearest BRO at Visakhapatnam.
In 1964, INS JARAWA was commissioned as the parent establishment at Port Blair. In 1965, the detailed, phased requirements of machinery, personnel, buildings and shore supply facilities for setting up a BRO were included in the overall plan for setting up an advance naval base at Port Blair. This plan envisaged the construction of a 1200 foot wharf, half of which would be for naval use.
After the 1965 war, Landing ship MAGAR started being deployed in the A&N Islands.
In 1966, approval in principle was accorded for setting up a BRO and berthing facilities in three phases. From 1966 onwards, when the newly arrived Russian patrol boats and the Landing ships started operating in the islands, the urgency increased for providing some kind of repair facility at Port Blair. From 1967 onwards, MAGAR took over the role of logistic support for these Russian vessels.
In 1967, sanction was accorded for the construction of the new wharf. Construction commenced in 1968.
In 1969, the old stores ship, DHARINI, which had earlier been converted into a repair ship by equipping her with a workshop, machine tools and repair materials to support the coastal minesweepers, was positioned in Port Blair as an afloat maintenance facility. The arrangement did not prove satisfactory and DHARINI returned to Bombay.
By 1973, it was found that intrusions were occurring mainly in the southern group of the Nicobar Islands and were easier to deal with when ships operated from the island of Kamorta. In 1973, a forward operating base was commissioned as INS KARDIP on the island of Kamorta and patrol craft started operating from there. Soon, it became necessary to set up a SMU in Kamorta.
In 1974, sanction was accorded for establishing a BRO to provide comprehensive repair facilities to ships operating in the A&N islands. This organisation was subsequently commissioned in 1979. As an interim measure, a small Base Maintenance Unit (Electrical) was established separately. This was unable to meet all the requirements of the Landing Ships. A ship maintenance unit was therefore set up.
By 1975, the BRO at Port Blair was able to increase the operational availability of the landing ships and the patrol boats.
The new workshops were sanctioned in 1975, completed in 1977, and commissioned as a BRO in 1979. A Floating Dock was acquired and commissioned in 1987. This saved ships from having to go to Visakhapatnam for annual docking. In 1993, the BRO was re designated as a Naval Ship Repair Yard.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 02 Oct 2009 17:36

vivek_ahuja used to archive his scenario on some site. where can i access them?
I haven't followed-up on his scenario since a few months and want to catch up on all that was missed.

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 02 Oct 2009 17:52

You have not missed anything. No posts from Mr. Ahuja for the last 3-4 months.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 02 Oct 2009 20:22

AdityaM wrote:vivek_ahuja used to archive his scenario on some site. where can i access them?
I haven't followed-up on his scenario since a few months and want to catch up on all that was missed.

Its his blog... http://www.mach-five.blogspot.com

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 02 Oct 2009 20:25

abhi.enggr wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote: Hi abhi.. I have a some of the earliest posts of both vivek ahuja and shankar sir in a .doc file... just so that i can read the whole story without any interruption... if its ok with shankar sir and ahuja sir, i can mail it to you...
What say you, Ahuja and shankar sir???
hi i urge you to mail it to me on abhi.enggr@gmail.com
please it will be a favour.
i don't think it will be a problem with vivek ji or shekhar ji.......

Abhi i am sorry about the delay... was off the net for the past few days... will send it you by sunday...

Rupesh · Post by **Rupesh** » 02 Oct 2009 21:32

During this operational deployment she will carry the full complement of 28 mig 29k s and 6 Ka 31 s

Shankar Dada,

If Vikramaditya can carry 28 Mig 29K's then why have we ordered onlee 16 ?

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 02 Oct 2009 21:40

Rupesh wrote:
During this operational deployment she will carry the full complement of 28 mig 29k s and 6 Ka 31 s
Shankar Dada,

If Vikramaditya can carry 28 Mig 29K's then why have we ordered onlee 16 ?

probably the rest will be filled with Naval Tejas... just a speculation...

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 03 Oct 2009 13:28

Vikramaditya can carry 29 Mig 29s packing them on the flight deck as well as the under deck hanger - some time back igor posted a drawing cannot trace it now - the other carrier of Russian navy can carry 36+ when fuly packed - may be igor can help clear the doubts -will ask him

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 03 Oct 2009 13:53

INS VIKRAMADITYA –PORT BLAIR NAVAL BASE

Captain Vishal Pandey finished his detailed pre sailing inspection of the combat information centre . It was state of the art no doubt .the reinforced window less room featured banks of flat panel displays in rectangular array. Each of the ships major activities in combat were grouped in separate set of consoles which got fed from the host of sensors all over the ship . Console operators were all masked and wore disposable paper uniform as in navy submarine.

On the air defense console he could see the sams being loaded one by one into the missile magazine and as each missile was winched down and locked into position the lights turned green .The master key was on “load” mode and all power to the missile system was now in off mode .Once the missiles were loaded the loading of ATF will commence ,expected to take another 3-4 hours

The 'Lesorub-E' CMS is installed on 'Vikramaditya' carrier (former 'Admiral Gorshkov'), . It's the export variant of 'Lesorub' CMS for the Russian prospective carrier project. According to the developer, NPO 'Mars', the system is designed for combat control of a ship and a task force on basis of the weapon integration into one complex and for the automation of decision making concerning force and armament engagement.

Tech characteristics and technologies:

1) X-band wireless radio channel 0.95 Mbit/s;
2) Intel processors' based disposed computing system;
3) Local net - Ethernet 10/100/1000, RS-485;
4) Weapon integration standards Ethernet, MIL STD-1553B, RS-232, RS-422, RS-485;
5) Fusing of 4 information channels (radar, TV, map, targets) on each terminal;
6) Recording of all system information in real time.

IAF STATION CAR NIC –BAY OF BENGAL

It was packed like sardines, thought commander Chauhan as he parked his Mig 29k in the cramped and very crowded ramp . Apart from his air wing of 28 mig 29k s the airforce guys have also boosted up their flanker presence to a full wing or nearly 50 aircraft along with their dedicated Phalcon team of 2x barieve A-50 Phalcon s and a pair of IL 78 tankers .During the entire deployment Vikramaditya will have effective air cover from land based aircraft also, operating out of Male and car Nic

So far so good –no incident and all his birds were ready to join Vik at short notice .The schedule so far has not mentioned date of embarkation-but expected to be in less than 72 hours .

In the distance he could see crates of R-74 missiles being unloaded from a chartered An 124 ,most likely for the fancy air force guys thought he ,as he stepped into the ladder .

abhi.enggr · Post by **abhi.enggr** » 03 Oct 2009 23:03

Bala Vignesh wrote: Abhi i am sorry about the delay... was off the net for the past few days... will send it you by sunday...

hey thanks buddy
this will be a real treat........
i will get it printed in coloured font and will then read it.
reading on laptop doesn't get on well with me

Ajit.C · Post by **Ajit.C** » 09 Oct 2009 23:00

Have all the scenarios dried up.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 10 Oct 2009 17:20

Shankar Dada where are you. we are all waiting ba ba.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 12 Oct 2009 16:20

PAKISTAN NAVAL BASE –KARACHI -0000 HRS

Vice admiral Liyakat settled down into his extra soft command chair deep in the bowel of lead troop carrier – painted up to look like an old bulk carrier . Inside everything was done up to navy standards and boarding have just been completed . The flotilla planned sailing out in two hours once the P-3 on patrol duty over the Karachi bay confirmed presence of no hostile ships or submarines on the exit channel.

The Port of Karachi is the biggest city in Pakistan, located on the north shores of the Arabian Sea near the delta of the Indus River. The first capital of Pakistan, it is the country’s economic and cultural hub and its largest seaport.
The Port of Karachi has had many names - Caranjee, Krotchey, Crochey, and Kurrachee - all derived from the original settlement called Kalachi-Jo-goth. The ancient Greeks knew it as Krokola, where Alexander the Great prepared his fleet for Babylonia after his Indus valley campaign. The Arabs knew it as Debal, the place from which Muhammad bin Quasim’s army embarked in 712 AD. Ottoman Admiral Sidi Ali Reis mentioned it in his book (The Mirror of Countries) in 1557 AD.
Port History
The Port of Karachi was a small fishing village in the early 18th Century when traders moved there. Its Manora Head protects the city from monsoons and provides a great site for protecting the harbor. In 1795, the Talpura amirs built a permanent fort on the Manora Head.
The British captured the rapidly-growing Port of Karachi in 1839 and annexed it in 1842 when it became headquarters for their army. At that time, it also grew as a port for the region of the Indus River. Beginning in 1854, continual improvements were made to the Port of Karachi. A railway connected Karachi to Kotri. Telegraph communications linked the city to London and Pakistan’s interior. When the Suez Canal opened in 1869, the Port of Karachi gained much importance, developing into a well-managed harbor by 1873.
In 1886, the Karachi Port Trust was established to manage the port. The East Wharf, over 56 kilometers long, was constructed between 1888 and 1910. By 1914, it was the biggest port exporting grain for the British Empire. Manufacturing and service industries sprang up after World War I, and by 1924, Karachi was the main air entry to India.
When Pakistan was created in 1947, the Port of Karachi was its capital, major seaport, and the country’s center for industry, administration, and business. Population grew quickly with a flood of immigrants from the countryside, and the city’s size doubled from 1980 to 2000

Today he will be leading to battle more than 7000 highly trained troops for a daring assault of the Indian ocean island of Maldives –India’s forward post in the Indian ocean .While China has promised naval and air support –most of the battle on land will have to be faught by Pakistani troops –the old fashioned way

The encrypted radio set blinked twice and the crackled to life ,it was the Orion pilot reporting

- sea bird to voyager one – conform ready to receive flash message
- voyager one to sea bird – go ahead
- voyager – the coast is clear – repeat the coast is clear –no enemy activity observed –over
- thanks sea bird –stay on patrol – we are sailing in two hours –advise if any change in situation – you are cleared to pursue any under water contact at this point without prior authorization within Pakistani territorial limits –over
- message under stood voyager one – keeping on search mode – good luck

Liyakat smiled as he changed the frequency and contacted the navy captain now dressed as a local fisherman on the bridge
- captain – voyager one – sail on schedule –all clear reported –over
- voyager one –fish one – starting diesel –expect to clear port in 100 minutes –over

Not very far from the three ships the lone Orion kept vigil – strangely there was nothing to report .

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 13 Oct 2009 12:55

Not able to figure out what Shankar might be thinking...
Desperately wait for next post.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 13 Oct 2009 13:11

Ok... nothing to report eh.. sounds fish... Is the Arihant on patrol in the location???

aditp · Post by **aditp** » 13 Oct 2009 17:19

Shankarji, such a long wait, such a small post, that too filled more with Karachi's description than actual action. Yeh dil maange more.

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 13 Oct 2009 17:50

there is nothing to report because Arihant is on patrol.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 14 Oct 2009 00:15

Can't say... could be one of the akula's too...

Sudhanshu · Post by **Sudhanshu** » 14 Oct 2009 06:11

Yeah true, I never forgot Capt. Iyer.... (triple kilo class sub killer)

PS:

Shankar post your next installment soon, otherwise either we would end up writing alternate story or might exploit your plot.

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 14 Oct 2009 17:48

sorry guys - just could not post because of "important inspectors " at factory today and the elction shut out - a big episode tomorrow

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 14 Oct 2009 20:41

Wow... can't wait for that juicy morsel...

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 15 Oct 2009 12:29

MALDIVES –INDIAN OCEAN – 0900 HRS

Major General C RAY looked at the satellite photos of surrounding ocean sourced from Ocean sat 2. Most of it was commercial shipping traversing the busy shipping lanes and that included a three ship flotilla which has left Karachi some time last night and now sailing around Gujarat coat but in international waters .From the look they did appear like any other commercial traffic except the loose formation they were holding indicating some kind of common objective /destination .He did not give it much thought but decided to shoot off an alert message to command headquarters any way and then concentrated in shoring up the defense of the island chain against a surprise attack /invasion like it happened many years ago .

The coastal radar net work was up and running but with some holes on the north east side because one of the 3DCAR have been damaged in a recent hurricane and the replacement promised still held up in Hyderabad airport, waiting for its transport any day .The Akash missile batteries were all in position around the capital city of Male and few other larger islands but power was a problem since the government of Maldives did not have the requisite infrastructure to supply power to all the missile bases newly set up .Army engineers have flown in with mobile generators and powering up the units one by one . The embassy protection was now good . He hoped they will be able to hold on for a week or two even if attacked by a brigade sized force .

INDIAN NAVAL AIR STATION –DABOLIM -1000 HRS –OCEAN WATCH FLIGHT -1XTU 142

The Tu 142 took off with much noise as always and banked north .The routine patrol mission will take it over the coast of Maharashtra –Gujarat and then loop back southwards all the way to Male and back to Goa with an over night stop at Male though it was fully capable of doing the flight in one go –navy felt it is time the Indian naval air presence be given more visibility in the Indian ocean island region.

Commander Dixit checked the flight console with practiced ease .Everything was normal except the no 3 engine was running some what hot –he hoped it will stabilize as he reduced power to it by 30% and also matched the reduction no 2 engine and finally reduced power to engine 1 and 4 to 80% military power as he set the auto pilot on a shallow 5 degree climb out and contacted tower for first phase of the patrol . along coast of Maharashtra past Bombay high and on to coast of Gujarat past Daman air strip to Jamnagar and back the same way past Goa –Mangalore –Trivandrum –Colombo –male .

IAF STATION CAR NIC –BAY OF BENGAL- 1130 HRS – SEA EAGLE FLIGHT
SEA EAGLE FLIGHT – 4 XMIG 29K

Commander Chauhan checked his aircraft and the weapon load. It will be his operational sortie out of this IAF base and with one air to air refueling scheduled some where over Indian ocean off the coast of Sri Lanka – he was to escort the Tu 142 all the way to Male –overnight stop at Male and then return flight next morning

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 15 Oct 2009 14:10

PLAN HEADQUARTERS –BEIJING –PEOPLES REPUBLIC OF CHINA -1030HRS

Admiral Li shao Chi finished reading the latest intelligence update on Indian navy’s strike capability and knew for the audacious Pakistani plan to take over Male can only succeed if the long eyes of Indian navy can be blinded for a few days .And there was only one way to do it –splash the damn Bears in Indian ocean without ceremony . But to execute the mission with any degree of certainty he needed some vital inputs from ground –from Goa to be exact. Some of the Chinese workers working in shipyard expansion where under order to report any large aircraft take off to the embassy.
The phone rang and Li picked it up quickly .This is the confirmation he was waiting for . A lone Tu 142 has just taken off the Dabolim base and if it follows the expected pattern should be crossing the coast line of Sri lanka in about 6 hours .
He thought for a moment and then gave the orders . Far to the south –missiles started being loaded on a three aircraft formation of Su 27 MKK for a long range air dominance mission . Their orders were not to shoot but scare the Indian recon bird away from its patrol zone .A single Tu 142 did not stand much chance against a trio of flankers.

Naval Aviation is a vital arm of the Indian Navy for undertaking tasks such as maritime reconnaissance, fleet air defence, carrier borne strikes against maritime targets, ships and shore borne air anti-submarine warfare. search and rescue (SAR) etc. To undertake these tasks, a variety of aircraft and helicopters are employed by the Navy.
In February 2001 it was reported that Russia was preparing to lease India four TU-22M3 Backfire long-range bombers armed with the KH-22 cruise missiles having a range of 500 km. There were also reports that the Tu-22M3 offered to India for the maritime attack role would be armed with the conventional anti-ship Kh-15A (export designation Kh-15S) missile. The Backfire has a combat of 2,400 km, though the bomber could be upgraded with mid-air refueling to extend the range to 5,000 km.
As of 2008 the Rs 476-crore upgrade of the remaining 10 Sea Harrier jump-jets, which operated from India's solitary carrier INS Viraat, was underway.
On 20 January 2004 India finalized the purchase of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov after over a decade of negotiations. But Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov and Indian Defense Minister George Fernandes did not reach agreement on other weapons, such as the Tu-22 Backfire bombers or Akula-class nuclear submarines, and nothing was subsequently heard of a Tu-22M lease.
As a part of the $1.5 billion Admiral Gorshkov, India purchased 12 single-seater Mig 29K fighters and four twin-seater MiG-29KUB combat-cum-trainer aircraft to equip the carrier. The four Mig-29KUB trainers were expected to be delivered in 2007 to allow India to train its pilots prior to the delivery of the remaining 12 fighters to be completed by 2009. By mid-2008 the delivery of 16 MiG-29Ks from Russia was slated to begin from October 2008. As of February 2009 it was expected that the first four MiG-29Ks would arrive in India later in 2009, with the other 12 being delivered by 2010.
By mid-2008 plans were to go in for another 30-36 of the fighters. As per the contract, the Navy had the option to purchase another 30 MiG-29K with deliveries up to 2015 to equip the Gorshkov and the new Air Defence Ship being built at the Kochi docks. The Gorshkov was expected to be able to accomodate up to 24 MiG-29Ks as well as six Kamov-28 and KA-31 helicopters. The MiG-29Ks will be supplemented by the naval variant of the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). The Indigenous Aircraft Carrier is designed to carry 12 MiG-29Ks, eight LCA and 10 helicopters.
By mid-2009 it was anticipated that the first six MiG-29K/KUBs along with eight pilots, 39 technicians and four ground engineers will have arrived at Dabolim. The supplementary contract for an additional 29 MiG-29K/KUBs was inked in December 2008 and includes four MiG-29KUBs, Thus, in all the Indian Navy will have, by 2012, eight MiG-29KUBs and 37 MiG-29Ks.
The Indian Navy spent in excess of $500 million to upgrade its fleet of eight Russian Tu-142 F maritime reconnaissance strike aircraft. As of 2002 a new plan called for modernizing the aircraft to operate anti-ship missiles, advanced navigation equipment and electronic warfare systems to create a link between India's nuclear command center and its nuclear submarines. The upgraded aircraft would be dubbed the Tu-142J.
The Indian Navy's eight Tu-142M long-range maritime reconnaissance/ASW aircraft have all been fitted with ELTA-supplied EL/M-2022(V)3 multi-mode search radars. The last two of the eight aircraft were declared operational with the new belly-mounted radars in December 2008 and as a result, these eight platforms will remain in operation until at least 2016. However, by 2018 it will become cost-prohibitive for the Tu-142M to remain flightworthy. The program to upgrade its eight Tu-142Ms by Russia fell through in 2004 due to an estimated cost of US$888 million.
Russia’s Taganrogskaya Aviatsiya (TAVIA) has created an updated Tu-142M, designated the Tu-142MSD. This service life-extension package could result in a reduction of the Tu-142M's direct operating costs, along with re-lifing the airframe and a re-engining package that included new-generation propellers, and a glass cockpit, such upgraded Tu-142M could remain in service until around 2026.
India’s need for Maritime Surveillance Aircraft intensified on 02 October 2002 when two IL-38s, which is a combination of Il-18 airliner and the IL-20 reconnaissance model, crashed during a demonstration. After their overhaul in 1996, the two IL–38s had been expected to remain in service until 2015. The crash reduced India’s Maritime surveillance fleet to three Il-38s and eight Tu-142s. By 2007 the Il-38 fleeet was expected to remain in service through the year 2020.
In November 2006 the Indian Navy expressed an interest in the Boeing P-8 Poseidon Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft (MMA), which is a modified Boeing 737-800ERX, as a replacement for its existing fleet of IL-38 aircraft that were nearing the end of their service life. By August 2007 India had completed evaluations of a maritime patrol derivative of the Airbus A319 and the Boeing P-8 Poseidon in support of the Navy requirement for eight anti-submarine aircraft. Other bidders for the deal were Israel Aerospace Industries and Elta Systems with a Dassault Falcon 900 business jet derivative, Lockheed Martin with a remanufactured P-3 Orion, and a Russian consortium with the Ilyushin Il-38. As neither the P-8 nor the A319 derivative actually existed at that time, the flight trials conducted in the US and Spain involved simulations, flying leased commercial Boeing 737 and A320 family aircraft on representative flight profiles, and mission system evaluations using US Navy and Spanish air force P-3s. EADS Casa is offering its FITS mission system, which had been installed in Spain's upgraded P-3Bs.
By November 2007 the Ministry of Defence had shortlisted two competitors - Boeing's P-8 and the Airbus Industrie A319. By the end of 2008 India was poised to conclude its biggest-ever defense deal with US: the around Rs 8,500-crore contract for the supply of eight Boeing P-8I Long-Range Maritime Reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft for the Navy. Virtually all the steps required for the contract to be signed, including tabling of it in the Cabinet Committee on Security for approval, had been completed. On 01 January 2009 the UPA government signed the biggest-ever defence deal with US: a $2.1 billion contract for eight Boeing P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance (LRMR) aircraft for the Navy. The deal was signed by Preeti Sudan, Indian Defence Ministry’s Joint Secretary and and Boeing integrated defence systems vice-president and country head Vivek Lall.
India is the first international customer for the P-8. The first of the LRMR aircraft will be delivered within four years of the contract being actually signed, with the rest being handed over by 2015. India will get the first P-8I towards end-2012 or early-2013, with the other seven following in a phased manner by 2015-2016. The LRMR planes will replace the eight ageing and fuel-guzzling Russian-origin Tupolev-142Ms.
Customised for India and based on the Boeing 737 commercial airliner, the radar-packed P-8I aircraft will go a long way in plugging the huge gaps in Navy's maritime monitoring capabilities with a range of over 600 nautical miles. The P-8 is a modification of the P-8A Poseidon Multi-Mission Maritime Aircraft currently being developed for US Navy. It is a tailored version for the Indian Navy. The aircraft will bolster Indian Navy’s maritime patrolling capabilities and extend its reach upto 600 nautical miles. It is fitted with weapons like torpedoes, depth bombs and anti-ship missiles.
By mid-2006 the Navy planned to shortly replace its Islander fleet with 11 new HAL-built Dornier aircraft. As of mid-2007 the Indian Navy (IN) had around 13 remaining Britten-Norman BN-2 Islanders it acquired around 1976. At that time the IN was in the process of transferring two BN-2 'Defender' Islander maritime surveillance aircraft to Myanmar, an add-on to the pair it had supplied in August 2006. The BN-2 "Defender" Islander airplanes was stripped of all weapons and used solely for relief and humanitarian missions.
By mid-2008 eight of the 11 more Dornier-228s, ordered for Rs 726 crore to act as medium-range maritime reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft, had already joined the Navy.
Future requirements for the Navy called for the procurement of Medium-Range Maritime Reconnaissance (MRMR) aircraft that should also be capable of ASW, while the Coast Guard also requires MRMR aircraft, with no ASW capability. Aircraft proposed for the Navy's MRMR/ASW were the turboprop ATR-72MP & C-295MPA, and Dassault's Falcon 900MPA & Embraer's P-99A jet-powered platforms. For the Coast Guard the ATR-42MPA Surveyor and C-295 or CN-235MPA are being proposed.
The Indian Navy plans mid-life upgrades of 11,000 kg Kamov-28 and 9,700 kg Sea King anti-submarine helicopters for Rs 600 crore and Rs 850 crore respectively.
The anti-submarine and anti-surface Sea King helicopters were built by Westland under licence from Sikorksy. The Indian Navy had about 40 Sea King copters initially but by 2008 had only about half of them, and most of them were over 30-years old. In 2003 a $150 million modernisation plan has been approved for the Westland Sea King helicopters. The Sea Kings were received from Westland Helicopters of the U.K but fell into disrepair when the USA imposed military sanctions, preventing India from sourcing Sikorsky- manufactured original equipment parts. The Indian Navy then attempted to obtain some Sea King spares from local industry sources, including components for gearboxes, rotor systems, sonar systems and defence electronics items for avionics. However, these fell short of reliability requirements and led to some limitations in the ASW operations. The mid-life upgrade now involves replacing the engine, avionics systems, mission computer, radar system and missiles.
The Indian Navy had been interested in procuring a Sea King replacement from overseas for some years, with the Naval Helicopter program being re-tendered in 2007 because none of the respondents were said to have met the technical specifications (itself not an unheard of phenomenon in India).
During 2005-2006 Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) set the ball rolling for the design, development and manufacture of a 10-ton class multi-role helicopter for the services. The project would be undertaken in collaboration with a reputed foreign company. In March 2007 HAL invited proposals from international partners including Russian helicopter manufacturer for co-development of a Multi-role Helicopter (10 tonnes).
By mid-2008 the Navy planned to induct new 10-ton-class multi-role helicopters, an order estimated to be worth $1 billion. In September 2008 the Indian Ministry of Defence issued a tender for at least 16 advanced multi-role naval helicopters. AgustaWestland's AW101, EADS's EC 725 Cougar and Sikorsky's Seahawk were expected to compete for the contract, which could expand by an additional 44 units. The multi-role helicopters will be equipped with anti-ship and anti-submarine armaments, including cruise missiles and torpedoes. The helicopters, capable of mid-air refueling, will operate from naval vessels and land bases.
In November 2008 the Indian Navy decided not to use the 'Dhruv' advanced light helicopter, manufactured by HAL, Bangalore, for anti-submarine warfare and sent a 'request for proposal' (RFP) for another multi-role helicopter. The Navy had acquired ten 'Dhruv' helicopters from HAL with the understanding that the first six would be used in a utility role, for search and rescue and transportation, while the remaining four would be converted for ASW operations. However, because of their size and weight, these helicopters were found unsuitable to discharge their function at sea for ASW and the Navy had now decided to use all ten in the utility role.
In January 2009 the US-based Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation offered S-70B Seahawk multi-role helicopters to replace the Indian Navy’s ageing Sea King helicopter fleet. The Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation responded to the RFP (request for proposal) from the Indian Navy for replacement of 16 Sea King helicopters, though it expected the Indian Navy to place orders for more than 16. The US Navy has also offered the Sikorsky and Lockheed Martin-built MH-60R for the same order. The Sikorsky-built MH-60R multi-role helicopter is the US Navy’s recently deployed anti-submarine and surface warfare helicopter with Lockheed Martin equipment. Sikorsky offered both the S-70B Seahawk as a commercial direct sale and the MH-60R as an FMS under the DSCA.

Sikorsky also offered its helicopters for the Indian Coast Guard, which wants to replace 16 of its helicopters, having responded to the Coast Guard’s RFI (Request for Information). Sikorsky planned to offer either the S-70 or the S76 or even the bigger S-92 for the Indian Coast Guard.
On 14 February 2009 Russian helicopter officials at the AeroIndia 2009 show said that the Russian aerospace complex was gearing up to bid for a total order of 320 military helicopters from the three wings of the Indian defence services. Rosoboronexport was participating in a number of tender involving the Ka-226T multi-role helicopter and the Mi-28H Night Hunter helicopter gunship. The company was in talks with the ministry of defence for the modernization of radar systems installed on Ka-31 helicopters used by the Indian Navy.
Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said in August 2008 that "By 2022, we plan to have 160-plus ship navy, including three aircraft carriers, 60 major combatants, including submarines and close to 400 aircraft of different types. This will be a formidable three dimensional force with satellite surveillance and networking to provide force multiplication." By one estimate by 2020 the Indian Navy aircraft inventory could be about 400 aircraft, including:
• 30 ASW aircraft (Including long range, medium range, short range)
• 50 ASW helicopters - (Sea King and Kamov)
• 35 Transport aircraft
• 120 Carrier-Based Aircraft - 3 Aircraft Carriers @ 40 A/C each [includes 1/2 of ASW helos]
• 85 other aircraft [35 fixed wing trainers, 35 utility helicopters, and 15 other helicopters], and
• 120 other aircraft not otherwise accounted for, possibly coastal defense fighters
India with a large coast line definitely needs a variety of weapons to face the sea based threats. Pakistan has a coast line of 1,050 km, 250 km falling in Sind province and 800 km in Balochistan. India has a coast line of total 7500 km. 5700 km on the mainland and 1800 km around Andaman & Nicobar islands and Lakshadweep islands. The aircraft carriers can not be used as defensive ships, since the basic idea of having a carrier is to provide air cover to the ships where the land base aircraft cannot, so the Navy can operate far away from home. For the defense of the coastline, land base aircraft can easily do the job.

But one think Li did not consider into his threat axis –the presence of Mig 29K s in car nic and their upcoming mission to stop just this kind of intimidation

Shankar · Post by **Shankar** » 18 Oct 2009 14:31

PLAN BASE –MISCHIEF REEF – 1100 HRS

The Three aircraft formation of Su 30 MKK took of in an orderly fashion with standard complement of 4 R-73 and 4-77 each and full internal fuel . They will fly just outside Hong Kong –Colombo high altitude air corridor to merge with the commercial traffic before veering off the coast of Sri Lanka to strike /intimidate the Indian navy aircraft some where between Sri Lanka and Maldives in the southern Indian Ocean

Hang Shu had no confusion about the outcome - he planned to come up to heat seaking missile range and fire of all the 4 R-73 in one go at the Indian Bear and then turn back base as fast as possible and refuel in the gulf of Thai land from a waiting tanker . The Indian navy air crafts normally don’t fly with escorts on over the ocean patrols and so it should be easy .

On June 11, 2009 a Chinese Navy submarine reportedly collided with the towed sonar array of the U.S. Navy destroyer U.S.S. John S. McCain, about 144 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines.[1] Previously on March 8, 2009 Chinese Maritime Militia ships harassed the U.S.S. Impeccable on a surveillance mission about 75 miles from Hainan Island.[2] These incidents illustrate a growing tension between China, the United States and other Asian nations over China’s increasing militarization of the South China Sea. This region’s sea lanes are critical to Asia’s economic vitality, while the six littoral states have overlapping claims and occupy varying numbers of islets in the Paracel and Spratly Island chains. China claims most of the South China Sea as its territory and at times has sought to calm tensions by acceding to regional negotiations designed to advance economic cooperation while setting aside territorial claims, though as of yet there is no regional framework to settle conflicting claims. Furthermore, China has long claimed that provisions of the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty allow it to forbid foreign military activities within its Economic Exclusion Zone (EEZ), an interpretation that Washington rejects. China has neither declared officially its strategic nuclear plans for this region, nor has it offered to engage in any consultations about the reasons for its buildup in the South China Sea, which might lead to greater transparency and mechanisms that could be used to reduce tensions. Beijing and Washington are due to discuss "incidents at sea" in July 2009 but China has previously refused signing onto a formal "incidents at sea" agreement as did the U.S. and former Soviet Union. Instead, China appears intent on building up its military strength as internal pressure mounts for bolder action. On June 18 and 19 Chinese media outlets reported on what may become a significant Chinese escalation: a recently retired People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Deputy Chief of the General Staff Department called for the construction of a formal air and naval base in the contested Mischief Reef. Roughly 150 miles west of the Philippine island of Palawan and 800 miles south of the Chinese mainland, Mischief Reef was occupied by Chinese forces in 1995. So far China has built two small buildings on the reef. A much larger base could allow the PLA to place naval, air and missile forces astride the Palawan Strait, one of the most important sea lanes in Asia. This would not just pose a new military threat to the Philippines, but it would increase China’s ability to constrict maritime commerce critical to the survival of U.S. allies like Japan and South Korea. In its June 19, 2009 issue the Hong Kong Newspaper Ta Kung Pao reported on a speech given by the recently retired Deputy Chief of Staff of the General Staff Department of the Central Military Commission of the People’s Liberation Army, General Zhang Li, who called for the construction of naval and air facilities in the disputed territory known as Mischief Reef, in the South China Sea.[3] Zhang made his remarks in his capacity as a Member of the Standing Committee of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Committee (CPPCC). General Zhang recommended that China respond strongly to a "very serious situation" in the South China Sea. He noted that of the 500 islets in the Nansha, or Spratly Island group, China only controlled four (reality is closer to nine), while Vietnam controlled 29, and the Philippines and Malaysia, four or more. Zhang also noted that China had no oil exploration platforms in the Nanshas, while other countries explore extensively.
To defend China’s interests General Zhang called for a three step program. First Zhang called for increasing the number of large ships and patrol aircraft for for the PLA Navy and other maritime police agencies to better enforce China’s South China Sea claims. He specifically called for the construction of 3,000 ton frigate-size ships for this mission. Second, General Zhang proposed building up a "Three-Dimensional Reconnaissance Observation System" for the South China Sea, as current capabilities are "quite backward." Third, he called for a greater investment in "infrastructure" such as ports and airfields, especially on Mischief Reef. Zhang notes, "This reef is quite suitable for building airports and ports, which can be used to control the entire Nansha [Spratly] region once they are built."[4] It is implied that the new airfields could extend the range of PLA J-10 and J-11 fighters, which are mentioned specifically.
General Zhang, Hu Jintao and the CPPCC
Should China build a major base on Mischief Reef, which as General Zhang suggests, should be able to handle PLA Chengdu J-10 and Shenyang J-11 multirole fighters, it would require an airstrip of about 1,000 meters.[17] A J-10 equipped with a thrust-vectored engine would be capable of shorter take-offs and landings, and an eventual PLA development of short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) fighters[18] would significantly reduce airstrip requirements. With a 2,000m airstrip Mischief Reef could medium size transport aircraft or larger maritime patrol aircraft. This reef appears to be deep enough to accept small PLA Navy combatants up to corvette and minesweeper size, but may require significant dredging in order to build a pier that could accommodate larger warships. New construction to the extent of building a pier or airstrip would also enable the placement of a range of missiles, modern surface-to-air, cruise missiles or new long-range anti-ship ballistic missiles. In addition, if the reef could be dredged so that it could accommodate current or future PLA Navy air defense destroyers, these could provide long-range anti-aircraft and anti-ship cruise missiles.

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 19 Oct 2009 00:21

Anxiously awaiting SharmaJi’s return, isn’t he due back this week?

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Oct 2009 03:34

Shankarji, can you describe a scenario with a team of SFF saboteurs transported by C130Js to blow up the dam PRC is building on the Tsangpo. The C130Js will most likely be deployed in the NE.

This dam will most likely be ringed by S300 and other AA batteries under a secure radar canopy.

http://www.asiafinest.com/forum/lofiver ... 74549.html

"You don't need C-130s for Pakistan," said Mr. Tellis, the Bush administration adviser.

Come clean on Brahmaputra dam, India tells China
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New Delhi: India continued its verbal offensive against China on Thursday, saying it was opposed to the construction of a dam on the Brahmaputra, the lifeline of the north-eastern states, and was verifying if the project was underway despite denials by Beijing. In short, New Delhi made it clear that it could no longer take China's assurances at face value.
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A media report on Thursday said China was constructing a massive dam on the river and that the project was inaugurated in March. The ministry of external affairs (MEA) does not generally react to newspaper reports, but with increasing strain in ties between the neighbours, India is not brushing these allegations under the carpet.

"The Indian side has taken up with the Chinese side reports about the construction of a large dam or diversion project on the Brahmaputra," MEA spokesman Vishnu Prakash said, referring to the meeting of an expert-level mechanism set up in November 2006.

New Delhi's understanding was that no work would be initiated till an agreement was reached to ensure that the diversion of the Brahmaputra waters would not adversely affect the north-eastern states.

The MEA statement went into the details of the media report, saying: "The Brahmaputra flows for about 1,625 km inside the Tibet Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China and for a further 918 km inside India.

"The Chinese side has categorically denied that there is a plan to build any large-scale diversion project on the Brahmaputra... We are looking into the said newspaper report to ascertain whether there are recent developments that suggest any change in the position conveyed to us by the Government of China."

But if India's message was strong, Wednesday's editorial in the Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece Peoples Daily was scathing. India is "obsessed" with a "hegemonic mentality" and refuses "to drop [its] pretentious airs when dealing with neighbours like Pakistan", the editorial said.

It also sarcastically commented on India's developing ties with the United States, saying New Delhi followed a policy to "befriend the far and attack the near". The editorial said "resentment still simmered" from India's wars with China and Pakistan. "If India really wants to be a superpower, such a policy is short-sighted and immature."

Business leaders on either side of the border are worried about the deteriorating Sino-Indian ties. FICCI on Thursday said it was apprehensive that the growing economic links between the two countries would be affected because of fraying relations.

"FICCI notices that strident statements have been issued increasingly by China lately, and as a result if the overall atmosphere of India-China relations is queered, then business and economic relations can't but get affected," said FICCI president Harsh Pati Singhania.

FICCI quoted statistics showing bilateral trade was inching towards the $45-billion mark, making China India's largest trading partner.